The BATTLE For Second BEST?...10MM DoubleTap vs Underwood Self-Defense AMMO Test!
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- čas přidán 4. 11. 2023
- Testing two of the more reputable brands of 10mm ammo. Do they live up to the hype and deliver the performance you deserve? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Glock 20.
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What have we come to when even Underwood skimps on the magic dust…
Dark days!😮
@@ToolsandTargets well I can't comment on the 10mm, as I don't own a handgun in that caliber. so with that said, Underwood still makes some top quality ammo, with their .44 Magnum's being one of my favorites to use
@@ToolsandTargets The darkest...
I’m a big fan of underwood I’m disappointed in them
DoubleTap used to load them hotter too.. I have some discontinued stuff that's really hot you can literally feel how hot it is when shooting it.. but the newer DT velocity's don't impress me.. I don't think the new stuff is as hot as the older stuff with either company
I think I’ve said this before but I must reiterate that you are simply the best at the ammo testing game. I appreciate your work. Keep it up brother!!
Thank you again, my friend!😎👊
dude is putting in WORK
he really is the best for handgun. BuffmanRange is the best for rifle and armor testing
When you do these 10mm tests you ought to put a 3rd shot of buffalo bore on the gel to show the difference in what velocity will do. Great test as always!
The reason I don't is because it's so freaking expensive I don't wanna waste it. I do at least leave a link in these videos to the tests of it.
@@ToolsandTargets save it for the bad guys
The issue is that defense ammo works best at specific velocities, which is why most 10mm defensive loads move at .40 S&W speeds. The extra speed 10mm is capable of is best utilized in hard cast loads for bear defense, etc. Even so, I want all the performance from loads such as the Buffalo Bore in my 10mm as well. I don't care about overpenetration; I want maximum devastation on target. If I didn't, I wouldn't use a 10mm.
Yessir 😎👍
I hear some of what JR is saying , but it's not * only * a binary between those two .
There would also be * expanding bullet, with penetration right in the overlap window . Deep enough for Whitetail , but not ridiculous over penetration for SD . Say 17- 19 inch .
I agree the hot stuff don't penatrate very deep. But with static shock so hard sweat it matter
I still don't have a 10mm, but I still appreciate the testing. Keep the videos coming 👍.
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
As a 10mm fan, I truly appreciate your passion for the round. I wish reps from these ammo companies would watch and change their loadings based off of your videos!
1325 fps would be nice for a 180, to me I think 700 ft/lbs is a reasonable standard for a duty size pistol wich is 4.6 inches, I agree with you that any ammo manufacturer needs to be alert to making Shure rounds meet Norma specs at least and if not make those right changes and ship out a improved box of 10 mm
40S&W +p more like it for 10 nowadays, but would grab that double tap in any caliber. Nice job with those sights, I grabbed my own sight pusher after seeing you post a vid on one a while back. So worth it, I install and adjust them better than the couple shops I used before😊.
Nice! I don't use the pusher real often, but it sure is nice when you need it.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets you outta do a team-up video with Scott from "Kentucky Ballistics" sometime
I hear what your saying on 10mm ammo now days, I have seen some 40S&W loaded as hot as some of the 10mm ammo out there. I had never shot a 10mm until a few years ago when I went up to my buddy's house. I shot his Colt Delta Elite 10mm with some "original" 10mm ammo that he has had since the 10mm came out. I shot it and I was like, I gotta get one of these! I load my own 10mm ammo cause I want it stout but not unsafe. Keep the videos coming y'all. 😉
Yeah, it's even more disappointing to get some of the weaker stuff after running good hot stuff.😎👊
Preach it brother. There's a reason why we buy a 10mm and we don't want weak ammo. I have V-crowns in mine. Best I can find locally. I'd run those DoubleTap over those Underwood for sure. Nice sights on your G20. I plan on doing something with mine. I've even thought about getting it milled for a dot.
Thank you sir. I wouldn't mind having mine milled. I hate to buy a whole new gun just for a place to mount a dot.
I waited for Glock to come out with a Glock 20 Gen IV MOS for like 5 years. Finally got tired of waiting. Bought the Gen IV, sent it to Jaeger Werks and had it milled for a Holosun 509T with some Dawson Precision fiber optic sights in lower 3rd cowitness. Great set up. Love it! Get it back and sighted in, and like a week later Glock releases the Gen V MOS...
The V crowns have had setback issues in every caliber I have tried them in.. maybe that's why there so hot 😂 like after chambering a round 1-3 times they will get major setback
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 That's usually how it happens but hey, you got it milled and sighted the way you wanted.
@@joeyphillips1181 You have to watch for that with any 10mm because most of us run no bullshit heavy recoil springs to retard slide velocity with the no bullshit Norma spec loads we shoot. Good to know about the V-Crowns though. I think I have a mag of those loaded up.
I still love my 10mm. I carry the Sig 180, it is over my standard of 600 ft. Lbs as a 10. But I am with you on the Buffalo Bore, it is top of the heap for sure.
10mm is a great round with good ammo. I have got to make time this coming week to try out my new 10mm tool.😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets I replaced the 16 lb springs in my Rock island double stack 10 with 20 lb Wolf springs, because I don't shoot .40 in it for practice. I got rid of the .40 cal mags I had for it also. I am a full power 10 mm guy just like you. There is no point of a 10mm if your just gonna get .40+p. Thank you for your tests!
That's one of the many reasons I've reloaded over 44years, to have the best ammunition for each of my firearms that can be had and for my experience I think may twice I couldn't match or better the accuracy performance of factory ammunition. but on rare occasions I do buy some factory ammunition and demand it to meet factory specifications or it won't be tolerated at all. although i use water tests my results are give or take 95 percent the same. your tests has greatly helped me I decisions on bullets to test and bullets to not waste money one. it's good that people like you and I can share with each other but greater still to learn from each other. I really mean it when I say I greatly appreciate yours efforts and videos and knowledge .papa wishing you well 😊
I’m shocked by the low velocity of the UW load!! I suppose these lower velocity rounds would be a good option for someone carrying a Glock 29 who has recoil management issues.
But then, why get a 10mm if recoil is a problem?
Just a thought.
I know what you mean. I knew when I felt it before I even checked the speed.😆
Me too. Underwood stuff is known to be on the hot side.
It's possible the powder they use is temperature sensitive, and wherever they were stored wasn't ideal conditions.
@@WaterZer0
That’s possible but we’re talking about 200 FPS below a realistic velocity. I just don’t think temperature is going to cover that.
@@Dennisthemenace40 Yeah, it's a big drop, so my guess would be somehow it didn't get the right powder charge.
Sweet 10mm Jam and Jelly Time !
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You have given me a lot of knowledge on the 10MM and If I ever get a 10MM gun, I'll know what ammo to get. Thanks for another great video.
Thank you sir. It's expensive but If I wanna save money, I wont run the 10mm. 😎👍
Great test, Brian! Although I must admit to being very disappointed in Underwood on this one! They are usually right there at the top of the heap but on this one, not so much. I've heard rumors that if the Nosler bullet is pushed too hard it tends to shed the jacket so that is a possible reason for the lower velocity but even tho it worked ok, it wouldn't be my first choice! On the other hand, the Double Tap did ok and while probably snappy in my G29, I'm sure it would be pleasant in my G40 (so far nothing has been unpleasant to shoot out of the G40!). Funny thing is I've yet to see anyone have the Double Tap for sale on any of the numerous sites I've checked, with everyone showing it as out of stock. Bummer! Oh well, at keast we know what the goal is when it comes to 180 ammo! Thank you for all the hard work you put in to these tests, they really show us the way!
Cheers,
jc
Thank you sir. The Underwood surprised me at just how light it was.🤷♂️
I believe that is a good assessment on under loading because of the Nosler projectile.
357 or 44 over 10mil any day
Great video. I have the Glock 20 Gen 5 with those same night sights. I love it.
Thank you sir. Huge upgrade for sure.😎👊
Can a company please reach out to this man and get a “tools and targets” line of ammo?! Loaded to the max because “‘Merica”. Take my money 😂
Excellent work Mr 10 Mil !!!
When I shoot 10mm, I expect ~700 ft lb of energy. The original Norma and Win silvertip delivered that kind of energy.
Makes zero sense why it is being downloaded to 40 SW power levels, but everyone seems to be doing exactly that.
I’ve never tried the double tap 10mm but in the past I’ve tried the 40sw and it’s amazing. The 180 grain double tap 40 is moving faster than the underwood 10mm. Out of my 5” mp the dt 40 was in the high 1100s. I honestly think post pandemic these companies are using almost any powder they can get to keep pumping out ammo. I really think that has something to do with the performance. Either way great video!
I've been using Underwood for years, particularly their 357 Sig stuff. Early tests shown here on CZcams indicated they were loaded hotter than advertised, originally listed at 1450 fps with a 125gr projectile. The advertised velocity then changed to 1475 fps (with actual velocities often exceeding 1550 fps as experienced by Mrgunsngear and TNoutdoor9). 660 ft/lbs from a 4.5" 357 Sig ain't bad at all. For a while Underwood was considered one of the last remaining manufactures that offered ammunition that performed as advertised.
I figured those qualities would carry over to other calibers, such as the 10mm.
I purchased some 140gr (Xtreme Penetrators), 180gr and 200gr JHPs. To see such low velocities from a reputable company is disappointing.
About a decade ago, it was Double Tap that was accused by many to be substantially inflating their numbers. Now it looks like Underwood has caught that bug while Double Tap has improved.
I guess I'll just stick with my reloads and if I needed commercially-loaded fodder, Grizzly it is.
It is a shame that you can't rely on info from just a handful of years ago with some of this stuff.😣😣
@@ToolsandTargets That’s why your tests are so important and revealing. The tests are standardized and you use the same gel and clothing and compare the ammo back to back. So if one round does well and another doesn’t on the same day, even temperature can’t be an excuse. Using the more common guns and barrel lengths represent real world performance as well. Sure someone could carry a 380 with a 4 or 5 inch barrel, but that’s not the norm. The LCP MAX is real world 380 carry size in most cases. And I’d agree on the G20 and G29 sizes because not as many people are going to EDC a G40 or other 6” barreled 10mm.
Keep holding the 10mm and 380 to a standard that makes sense! If 10mm is going to be weak, might as well stick with 40 or 45+P. And why bother trusting your life to weak 380 when there are rounds that do make them more powerful. With those being the high and low for average popular carry calibers it’s good to point out when manufacturers fail to deliver a “proper” product. You said there is no excuse for it and that’s exactly it.
It’s really disappointing that HST has fallen short on these two calibers. And they are so close on 10mm. Just a bump of 100-150 fps would probably make them the best performing 10mm JHP. If your subscriber number gets up there where it really should be, and subscribers actually email the companies, maybe they will start to listen to their customers and deliver better products?
I absolutely love how big of a snob you are with 10mm. I couldn't agree with you more. Great video!
😂😂😂 Appreciate that, brother!
Thank You for the Informative Video. 👍
I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but back in the early 1980s Chevrolet made half ton pickup trucks that were labeled Big Ten, heavy half ton suspensions. That's my new nickname for you brother, your Big Ten! You know what you're talking about when it comes to those 10 mm rounds and ballistics! Thanks for another great video Big Ten!😊
Awesome videos! I just found your channel and these videos are excellent! I saw you had some reloading equipment videos from a couple of years ago. Did you ever start reloading? Any videos planned to compare it to factory ammo?
Thank you sir. I've messed with some 5.56 and done a lot of brass prep but I need to work on setting aside some time for more of it. I got so busy keeping up with the other stuff that I just haven't had any time left over.😆
Great performance. The DT did a great job
Best on YT! Thank you for amazing content!!!
Yes Underwood is slacking a little. I just ordered some double tap ammo for my Magnum Research MRG 10. Can't wait to see how it runs it. Yes I got to give you a thumbs up on the best on CZcams for ammunition testing, but damn buddy you got to come up for some AIR LOL. Out of all the videos you do, you got to have some bloopers on your speech performance😂. I hope you can throw some bloopers our way. There's no way you can talk that fast without having mistakes and be so precise . Excellent work👍🏻👍🏻 looking forward on some more awesome testing.
I run the same Buffalo bore as you out of my glock model 40 and love it !!!
Excellent video as usual! If you ever get the chance, the revolvers, and the ammo, I would be very interested in how the .41 Magnum compares to the 10mm in your heavy clothing barrier/gel target. Bear in mind, that supposedly the .41 Magnum was created for use by Law Enforcement as a "replacement" for the .357 Magnum way back when, but suffered the same fate the 10mm did in LEO circles.
Well more double tap. I have both but was using all my double tapp up at the range and carting the underwood. Another good video
DoubleTap was miles ahead on this one.😎👊
Nice video. Have you tried the Double Tap Equalizer? It's a standard hollow point and a 50 grain 'puck' loaded in 1 casing. You get normal hollow point performance plus a second wound track.
Thank you sir. Sounds kinda like one of the specialty .410 rounds. Interesting.
great video !
A 10 mil test, I knew I just had to watch this one tonite, DT for the win. Thx for the vid
Some nice expansion from both. 🙂🤜
Another great test 👌 👍
I have those same sights on my M&P 2.0 40. and there great.. probably my favorite night sights
Thanks for the .40 Super tests.
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Good video. Thanks for sharing the information and video 👍
Thank you sir.😎👊
great testing. usually lighter the bullet faster it goes but sometimes there's other variables too. some 10mm under loaded.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Wired on pepsi and 10 mil rants....gotta love it!
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Thanks!
Appreciate that, brother!😎👊
Great test, Great video and info, thanks my friend.
Thank you sir. Always appreciated!😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets Your welcome. 👍👍👍
Good test Tools. Enjoy those Truglo TFOs, I had those on my G19 for years until I added a red dot, they're great day or night.
Thank you sir. The Performance Center EZ I have came with a similar set. Great sights.😎👊
For some reason the 180gr Nosler 10mm by Underwood is very underperforming. I get the same numbers. Their XTP 180gr loads are right around 1320fps from my G20 tho.
Which of the two xtp or Mosley is better for self defense?
Your q are well done. I enjoy the many 10mm demonstrators.
Michael Herrell
Oh man .. that UW speed was hard to watch. Thanks for the test, Tools. Gotta keep these manufacturers honest!
Another good ammo test
IMO, the Underwood was more like a 40S&W, while the underdog/winner this round was for sure the Double Tap. 10mm is critical when in big game country, and your life depends on it when it comes to BIG bears! I can't wait until Defiant comes out with their loading. I predict a tie with the Buffalo Bore, or even Better! Thanks for another great test, and love the rants about anything that doesn't prove to be what it's designed for!
Thank you sir. This Underwood was way too light.😆
@@ToolsandTargets I've notice a lack in performance from many clibers that Underwood has been putting out lately. They aren't the company they used to be...
G.K. USA. 9mm for IWB, .40 S&W for OWB, 10mm in full size pistol in OWB, chest holster for protection from both four- legged and two- legged animals.
love the tools rants
There was no stoppin it on this one.😆
@@ToolsandTargets yuh but I agree with you about the 10m thing so but you made me laugh which hurts atm so will watch your videos again in about six weeks
Great test buddy
Thank you sir.😎👊
No problem buddy...always a pleasure
G9 95 grain vs buffalo bore in gel in my opinion would decide...but great video's...all of them..keep up the good work.
Pleased to see Double Tap perform at such a high level. I am a huge fan of their 125gr Lead Free in 10mm. They resemble Tac XP rounds, but have a deeper cavity and smooth recoil.
Interesting. I have those couple more lead rounds from them to test. May have to pick up some more to try if they all do well like this.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets Their deal is much the same as other light-for-caliber, high velocity loads: reduced kick, thunderous report. The expansion is huge, so you get a nasty wound channel.
My carry magazine is this round. It does some devastating damage to melons and such.
They are actually the same bullets. But double tap dont neuter them
I love your 10mm vids
Appreciate that. They get my blood pressure up.😂
I'm right with you on that 10 mil that's crazy
Does temperatures affect your gel test ?
Phenomenal insight
Item number 240 appears to be a slightly reduced power round. The specs on item number 243 with the 180 grain XTP bullet is 1300. In the past the XTP 180 got close to 1300 in other videos. I think #243 with the XTP is what we are used to seeing from Underwood.
Great freedom seed test brother tools 😎
Thank you as always, brother!😎👊
Thanks for another great 10mm video.👍
I bought my 10mm because I planned a hunt out West and wanted a bear defense side arm.... That being said, I do sometimes carry it in winter. In that situation, I would feel comfortable with either of these two, or the Federal HST, (which is what I currently have.) But if I go hunting out west again, I plain on carrying the Buffalo Bore Bear Defense load, I think it is a 200 gr hard cast bullet, and it is pretty hot as well, but I think you've tested them too, have to look,
Thank you sir. I was a little rough on The DoubleTap but this underwood should be ashamed of itself.😆
@@ToolsandTargets I agree, if I pay 10 mm price, I want 10mm performance.👍
🤙 definitely my go to man for 10mm/metric .40 info & data....
Have some boxes of that Double Tap 180gr loads. Picked em up in AZ two years ago. Haven't chrono'd them. So looking forward to this test
Very respectable, especially beside this Underwood.😆
@@ToolsandTargets Right!
There really should be an industry wide standard, that makes these manufacturers identify these Bunny Fart 10mm loads as such.
On another note. I believe that was Double Taps claim to fame as it were. Their full tilt 10mm loads. Think I read once that this is why the owner got started in the ammo biz. Loved 10mm and wanted, proper 10mm
Another great jelly test Brotha ..
Thank you sir.😎👊
Love these 10mm videos. Glock 20 really is slowly becoming my daily carry, especially now that we are moving into winter! Gotta get those full power loads!
The G20 is my main EDC. It’s really hard to beat.
@@RealtyPro7what holster do you find comfortable for it? Right now I’m using the trex ironside for the Glock 20 with a streamlight tlr1-hl. It’s pretty comfortable but I know the gun is there and I have to wear flannels to cover, no just wearing a tshirt unless it’s a size too big lol
@@madwanoutdoors I’m actually trying to put together either a link, pdf with pics or video of one that I did a few minutes work to turn into a G20 tlr1 OWB paddle concealed holster. It was an unexpected project due to the ridiculously long wait time on a few I ordered. I use it at 3 o’clock and forget it’s there “almost” lol. It would probably feel similar to the Trex but can ride a little higher to print less and also be easier to put on and remove. It can also be altered to work IWB. I’ll try to get that done and send it to you. The plan was to try to repeat the process for the G29 with a tlr7.
I just use a Safariland for a normal OWB paddle holder with thumb retention. But those do tend to be harder to conceal and stand away from the body, more for open carry.
I’d been waiting a while to see Brian’s @toolsandtargets testing on the UW Xtreme Defender with the newer coating and using the clothing. They performed exactly as expected and at 10mm power levels. The HST also had perfect performance but it’s an odd one because it’s under the minimum fps and ft lbs yet yields those results. I’d love to see Federal pump it up by 100-150 fps! My guess is we might see a few inches less penetration with more expansion. For now I still usually run the 200 grain UW XTP out of habit, with the UW XD or even hardcast in a backup mag. I’ve never really tested or used any of the HST or Hornady Critical Duty etc that I have saved in 10mm.
Hoping to see some fresh tests on 45acp in HST regular and +P (my go to 45 ammo), UW XD, Liberty and maybe even UW hard cast. Because I’d like to set up a G41 mos and a G30s but have been waiting to see if either or both might pop up in Gen 5.
@@RealtyPro7 agreed. I carry 10mm hst in town and 200 grain double tap hunter loads in the county (then 220 grain hard cast underwood in grizzly county)
I agree with you about the 10 mm, you have tested this stuff, and it's proven 👍
I'm right there with you on 10mm should darn well BE 10mm and not .40 S&W. I happen to like .40, but I like it in smaller guns. If I want a 40 pistol, I'll carry a .40, but if I wanted a 10, I would by golly want a ten! I don't know why so many manufacturers are so timid (stingy?) and download the caliber so much. I don't currently own a 10, but have been fascinated with it since it came out. If Jeff Cooper endorsed it, that pretty much says it all. :)
The more I watch your 10mm the more I like the idea of the 40 s&w. I'm right there with you on the 10mm is not what it was or what it should be. You might have to try some stuff more for hunting. Like the Federal loads if you can find them.
The hardcast stuff will definitely go the distance.
Nice test. It's hard to argue with good terminal ballistics but it is reasonable to expect 10mm power if that is what is paid for.😢
Thank you sir.😎👊
That double tap expansion and velocity from the 4.6 inch barrel ain't nothing to sneeze at. I reload most of my 10mm because as of the last couple years- lots of manufacturers under load their rounds.
Yeah, it did a good job.😎👍
40 s&w +p that's all what most 10mm is. I agree on the Buffalo Bore! Great video as always thanks!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Doubletap built their business originally on their loads for the 10mm Auto. The DT projectile might be a Winchester PDX-1? Kinda looks like the ones I have in 9mm.
Hmmm, could be.🤔
So glad you did this one, Tools. I had the misconception that the Underwood was the cat's meow, but I guess even they have some duds. They have some of their rounds listing(out of a5" b bl) at 700+ ft/lbs of energy. I'm going to look for the Buffalo Bore and these Double-Taps. Thanks again, brother. You're doing Yeoman's work. We all appreciate you!
This was one of the more disappointing rounds I've seen from them. The new guy must have been working the line with these.😆
@@johnklatt3522 Thank you for that very good run-down on their performance(or lack, thereof) through their company's history. That's too bad. I'm hoping to find a source for a (1,000-rd) CASE of a bonded-core 10mm 165 to 180 gr. HP that has good velocity, good expansion, and good weight-retention. Something like the 1,000 Rd case of 9mm Federal HST 124gr that's available from time to time, but for the Best Millimeter. Let me know if you hear of anything, Okay?
Thanks again. Much obliged.
Great stuff tools. Much longer lasting cavity from the DT stuff it seems
Thank you sir. I was probably a little rough on the DT. It did a great job in general.
@@ToolsandTargets nah don't give em an inch. People buy ten because it's hot! Or should be !
Thanks for the video by the way T&T!
Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊
Great test. I shoot a lot of 357 Sig and although it is still my carry ammo, I've had a Underwood 65 gr 357 Sig case split on me. It goes bang and cycles every time, but Underwood's quality control clearly isn't that good.
The vast majority of .40 caliber bullets are designed to perform at .40 s&w velocities. When they are driven at true 10mm speeds, they over-expand or just come apart. In hindsight, it might have been better to make the 10mm a .410” caliber cartridge in order to use existing .410” bullets designed for the .41 magnum. They could have called it the .41 super, or some other catchy name.
Sad, but true. I am destined to a lifetime of ranting.😆
That's a bunch of cope trying to justify shit performance.
I don't care if the bullet fragments. That's just more damage inside the target. And if you don't want fragmentation for some reason, there are plenty of bullets more than capable of holding together.
There is no excuse to make a 10mm round that is under 1200fps.
Think I remember reading the Winchester silvertip offering was originally devised for 10 mm. Only thing is it's now 50 yo tech
If I was going to use 10mm I would use also the Buffalo Bore as a standard for me. 10mm should be loaded to its fullest performance. The DT was really good though. Very interesting test and commentary. Agree with you on the weak ammo statement. Anyway great test and thanks for sharing. Be safe. ⭐️🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸⭐️
Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊
I don't have a 10mm, but I'll never get tired of your 10mm rants!
😂 Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊
I'm a big 10mm and .40 fan, the G20 is easily the single best all-around 10mm out there. Thanks for the video.
My underwood 180 xtp from 1.5 years ago was amazing 1300 fps from 4.6 inch barrel and 1350 from 5.5
Seems to be the way lately with a lot of places.
I swear all those guys yelling 40 sucks should be watching these vids .. Cause almost all 10 mm seems 40 plus lol ..I just find it funny !! Just glad someone's testing this stuff .. I have no dog in the fight cause I'm now all 9 mm use to have both 40 and 10 but in Maine some hard cast 9 mm does anything I need
It really is a shame that so many calibers just seem to be running together because it's easier to churn em out that way.
Wow… underwood has REALLY gone downhill. I mean that is just pathetic on their part that they have the nerve to put 1250 on the box yet load it down so much that it can’t even hit 1100 out of a standard Glock 20….. same power as freaking federal American eagle 10mm range ammo. What bothers me about it most is that Underwood used to make good hot 10mm, and whoever owns it or is loading it up now is playing off the reputation underwood used to have to scam consumers by selling us this cheap, weak 10mm but presenting and selling it as high dollar powerful rounds. I’d be very, very interested to see tests of other recently loaded/sold Underwood ammo, that way we can know if they’re watering down all their loadings like they did this one, which unfortunately I personally suspect that they sure might be. Thank you for doing all this testing, you’re the last line of defense for consumers by showing us how all these different products REALLY perform, that way we don’t get ripped off by buying into advertising hype without knowing what products are really capable of. Seriously, thank you so much for that my dude! Have a good one Tools, excellent testing as always
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
MR Gel is always best. Great video test 10mm my carry caliber ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Love the 10MM video call those Ammo companies out to many ppl relie of good ammo Shane on underwood
I too am surprised with UW performance ! I do have a cpl types from them in 40 and a "break in" round of 38spl+p. I almost ordered DT in 40 when a friend had a blk bear problem...i told him to use 12ga slugs but he used a .243, 3shots close range...raidin his apple tree !
That'll do it.💥🐻💥
There's a couple of channels with recent sig Sauer 180 grain test that show it going over 1300 ft per second! I'm not lying brother. There's a couple of channels. I'm glad I carry it.
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Good ammo test Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
Thank you, my friend.😎👊
I agree 10 mm should be loaded to 10 mm specifications. If you want something lighter, then go with 40. Especially when you are paying for a premium and getting just slightly above standard 40 velocity
I've been liking my TruGlo sights. Curious how yours will treat you!
So far so good.😎👍
Have you done the 10mm 180 Hornady custom?
I think Buffalo Bore is probably the best ammo out there but every time I tried to order something they're out of it or it's on backorder. I was going to get some 147 grain hard nose 9 mm for my backpacking trips. I ended up buying the same thing in Underwood Ammo put on down to hit the 1150 ft per second that it says it will but I'm hoping I don't run into any werewolves or Sasquatches either.😅
Weresquatch!😲😲😲
You want to get the double tap DT bonded rounds they are what your looking for, great ammo company!
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I like the Double Tap for most rounds because I like more mass/momentum/muzzle energy. 15" is perfect penetration. Expansion is just a parachute to park all the energy within the target. I only like big bore because it can get me to the 320 grain range. A 320 grain .429 would be singular.
The Double Tap clearly had the edge on this one. Hope you've been doing well, my friend!😎👊
Keep up the testing using the most common tools and barrel lengths! And keep up the rants. If many subscribers also complain to the ammo companies and make it felt with their dollars by buying only the best quality options, we may see some improvements eventually. I guarantee if people start poking these companies enough, they will respond. Or they can watch their ammo sit and collect dust while everyone buys from whoever puts out the best product. Probably important to actually tell the companies exactly where and what they are going to buy instead as they leave.
Check out the UW 135grn 10mm pushing out at 1700fps
I like the DoubleTap 🤷🏻♂️ I think the discontinued stuff is hotter but the velocity wasn't bad on the controlled expansion.. i hope the Bonded defense is a little hotter though because I know DT is capable of loading them a little hotter than that.. you should get a box of the 165 grain bonded one day if you can find it and test it too.. i believe other than buffalo bore its probably some of the better factory 10mm and you still haven't tested the bonded 180 yet so it could be a pleasant surprise if its a little hotter.. just wish I could get you some of there discontinued 165 grain Golden Sabers lol because you can really feel how hot that stuff is when shooting it.. makes most defensive loads in 10mm feel like 22 almost lol its a snappy little round but really accurate
Do you put aftermarket barrel or recoil spring in your Glock 20 shooting that buffalo bore ammo?
I am very pleased the Doubletap did better than the Underwood. Doubletap is kinda the OG 10mm manufacturer. Thank's for the test!
Yessir. I realized I was probably a little rough on the DT as I was editing. They came a lot closer than most to my picky standards. Definitely gives me more hope for the others. Appreciate you, my friend!😎👊
I guess when it comes right down to it, performance is the end game and I would be happy with either one of these offerings. With that being said, the velocity from that Underwood was a bit underwhelming, I mean if one company can do it why can't the others. Just like the Punch is the one to beat in .22 the Buffalo Bore is the top dog in 10mm Have a good one brother see you on the next one.
Yeah, it drives me crazy especially to see such a difference side by side from what are both supposed to be "premium" rounds.😆