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  • čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
  • What is the colour of Roman soldiers' tunics? Are they really all red like we see in the movies and in many videogames? Is there any
    evidence for other colours like blue tunics and blue shield like we
    sometimes see in Rome total war? What about the Green tunics worn by the Romans in Asterix and Obelix? Was yellow ever a colour for the Romans? And how about white?
    PS: When I say "polybius" I ment "Plutarch", sorry for that, both with a "p" ;)
    here is what historians say
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  • @piehalo
    @piehalo Před 7 lety +2615

    Well the answer depends on whether they fought for the Julii, Brutii, or Scipii ;)

    • @ArvosCrusader
      @ArvosCrusader Před 7 lety +118

      Cole .S u know that's just in Rome total war it's not really historically accurate it's just for video game purposes because every faction in the game has their special colors to make battles easier

    • @piehalo
      @piehalo Před 7 lety +526

      Arvos Crusader nah dude, I'm studying classics in college and let me tell you that is historical fact

    • @ArvosCrusader
      @ArvosCrusader Před 7 lety +26

      Cole .S haven't actually heard that anywhere but I trust u

    • @ArvosCrusader
      @ArvosCrusader Před 7 lety +29

      Cole .S though I'll probably do some research

    • @RedLucarian
      @RedLucarian Před 7 lety +498

      I'm almost certain he is joking.

  • @unclebenis2540
    @unclebenis2540 Před 7 lety +908

    At first they were wearing red, but then - Aiooo, wololooo, and they wore blue.

    • @cpgvonc7568
      @cpgvonc7568 Před 7 lety +87

      That is actually not a bad money scheme. Have piece of cloth in yellow or somesuch. Have monk dressed in purple go "WOLOLOO" towards it. Sell the now purple cloth. repeat. Profit.

    • @jazzmetal500
      @jazzmetal500 Před 7 lety +11

      Ham Brügger Rogan?

    • @TheManInRoomFive
      @TheManInRoomFive Před 7 lety +23

      Age of Empires reference.

    • @roahnscifinutter8683
      @roahnscifinutter8683 Před 7 lety +43

      Step 1: Wear purple toga.
      Step 2: AIOOO, WOOLOLOOO!
      Step 3: Prophet.

    • @SmedleyDouwright
      @SmedleyDouwright Před 7 lety +8

      They were not barbarians! They dressed for dinner.

  • @Enzo012
    @Enzo012 Před 4 lety +295

    'Did Roman soldiers wear red tunics?'
    'Yeah sure, some did.'

  • @140boomer
    @140boomer Před 7 lety +1073

    Clearly, Roman soldiers wore white so they could dye it red with the blood of their enemies!

    • @jeremiaas15
      @jeremiaas15 Před 7 lety +116

      Blood as a dye produces a dark brown colour, not red.

    • @spicemarine1884
      @spicemarine1884 Před 7 lety +154

      jeremiaas15 you're a party pooper.

    • @Rex-golf_player810
      @Rex-golf_player810 Před 7 lety +20

      Tolunay Avci nahh hes just not a dumbass

    • @adorabell4253
      @adorabell4253 Před 7 lety +25

      +jeremiaas15 as every girl knows.

    • @SimoLInk1698
      @SimoLInk1698 Před 6 lety +12

      Actually when i was a kid i red in a history book that tunics were dyed red because by doing so, blood spilling from the wounds wouldn't be noticed. That might be bullshit because i haven't found anyone else saying this.

  • @meganoob12
    @meganoob12 Před 3 lety +90

    As a German I find the irony of Caesar's name quite funny.
    When you pronounced his name it sounds like the German word Kaiser meaning emperor yet we pronounce his name "tsezar".
    It is fascinating to me the name Caesar made it into the German language as the word for emperor.

    • @yoursotruly
      @yoursotruly Před 3 lety +9

      I recently saw a show about this, the "C" has always been pronounced as "K" by Romans and those who prefer historical correctness but some ignorant Brits started pronouncing it "Seezer" and it stuck.

    • @memr5690
      @memr5690 Před 2 lety +23

      @@yoursotruly Not ignorant, its just how Latin evolved over 2700 years

    • @lscibor
      @lscibor Před 2 lety +18

      The name didn't make it into the German language per se, though.
      It was already used in Latin as a word for emperor. It entered the names, or titulature of imperators of Rome.
      Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
      Tiberius Caesar Augustus
      And so on.
      From there, it entered proto Germanic, Greek, and so on.
      Russian Tsar (царь) comes from Ceasar as well, too, for example.

    • @sk00k
      @sk00k Před 2 lety +4

      Imagine learning about the tetrarchy in German

    • @majorfallacy5926
      @majorfallacy5926 Před 2 lety +8

      Not just german, for example Tsar is also derived from caesar. And the word emperor comes from imperator

  • @Finndu
    @Finndu Před 7 lety +291

    12:43 i think i would prefer a white tunic in Egypt, too.

    • @christosvoskresye
      @christosvoskresye Před 7 lety +42

      I would prefer a sort of mustard yellow, so that it would not show sweat stains so badly.

    • @fiddlove
      @fiddlove Před 7 lety +27

      or piss stains

    • @MrChickennugget360
      @MrChickennugget360 Před 7 lety +27

      a brown tunic for you!

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 Před 6 lety +9

      And a cloth cover for my metal helmet.

    • @decam5329
      @decam5329 Před 3 lety +1

      Where not the white tunics not made from linen rather than wool and so would not readily take dye?

  • @NewUser-qb1zt
    @NewUser-qb1zt Před 6 lety +12

    As someone with some natural dye experience, I'd like to add a few things.
    As far as these other substances are concerned, I believe your referring to mordants. The reality is, a single dye plant, as it's called, can produce a range of dyes and tones, and a vast amount. A lot of factors go into determining what color you get. For example, PH, whether the water is acidic or alkaline, or more neutral, will alter the colors. The specific mordant chosen will also alter the colors. If you use a modifier, that will also alter the colors. How hot the water is can also produce interesting colors. Madder will be browner if it goes above a certain temperature.
    Mordants can be produced from plants (oak galls, rhubarb leaf, for example), it can be salt, or something with certain metals in it, like copper, iron, or aluminum (although Iron can also be used as a modifier). Alum is a common mordant nowadays. Some say vinegar or lemon juice is a mordant, other say no. People's stance on that differs. But it can be used in dyeing.
    That said, some plants don't need a mordant added to them. You can still alter the color with modifiers.
    The dye process will also influence the color. Were things mordanted cold or hot? How many times was it mordanted? Did you use a variety of mordant combinations (alum, oak galls, alum combo)? Was it a fermentation dye (fermentation dyes are not just for blue colors such as indigo and woad). Was it dyed hot or cold? Solar dyed? Did you premordant the skein/fiber/fabric, or did you mordant and dye it at the same time? Post mordant? Use a pot as mordant? And how was the dye extracted? Was it extracted cold or hot? If hot, what temperature was it extracted?
    How much dye was added? All dye stuff needs to be weighed as a percentage of the weight of what is being dyed. That can influence whether the item ends up pale or deep colored. This will also determine color.
    That's not on top of the possibility of over dying, (dyeing blue on yellow dyed fabric, for example).
    And what was dyed? Was it dyed in the fiber then spun? Or was it dyed in the yarn, then woven? Was it the cloth that was dyed? Was it spun woolen or worsted? These can effect the perception of the color.
    Kermes is interesting. Eventually, it was superseded by cochineal. Between the two, cochineal is more popular nowadays.
    Just thought I'd add some info!
    Thanks for the video!

  • @hosseinshahni
    @hosseinshahni Před 2 lety +17

    Thank you for this informative video. As a native speaker of Persian from Iran I found two interesting things I wanted to share:
    - Saffron is most widely found in eastern Iran nowadays and Iran is the biggest producer worldwide. There’s still some debate about the place of origin of the plant but it’s most widely believed to be originated from Iran. If this origin theory is indeed true, maybe the Romans decided to import it and cultivate the plant in regions with somewhat similar climates to eastern Persia, namely Greece and Spain, just like what happened with domestic silk production during the time of Justinian. It would be really nice if further excavations and research could reveal the history of saffron in Europe.
    - The word for color red in Modern Persian is "قرمز /ɢeɾmez/" which comes from Middle Persian "Kermest". "کرم /kerm/" in Modern Persian means "worm" and it is believed the color was named as such because of the fact it was produced from the insect you mentioned. It was really interesting when you mentioned the color name in Latin, it shows that the words most probably have a common ancestor from the earlier Proto Indo-European language.

    • @markiobooker218
      @markiobooker218 Před rokem +1

      What a thoroughly fascinating and intelligent contribution your comment was. Iran, I would argue is most likely the origin of saffron with highest production and consumption. This is identical to 20th century apple cultivars, where their origin nation is nearly always the main consumer. There are exceptions ie "granny smith" apples but the exceptions prove the rule, did they not?
      I would disagree cochineal was a dye source because it is a New World or outer Old World dye source, when much cheaper, more plentiful and weedlike 'madder' (rubia tinctorum). Saffron may have been used for orange-tan-yellow but I would also argue the Iranians kept such a valuable product to themselves- doubtless there was some trade in "used saffron" for the lower classes to savour something the upper classes probably used to excess (as a display of wealth- everyone loved to clothe, eat and consume as ostentatious displays of wealth- only later more Stoic influenced Catholic monks would have lectured against "luxuria" and God's preference of ascetic lifestyles (live as Jesus did as a pauper among the poor; the meek and poor over wealthy as Christ said "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter heaven". Obviously Christ and society back then were far less naive than us today about the moral scruples of the wealthy and the plethora of sins they either engaged in to attained their wealth or indulged in while wealthy.
      It's quite easy to see how Christianity as an ascetic and Stoic faith converted so many of the poor, the military classes and so on- much the same I imagine Muhammad (SAW) had such a normalities, culture and moral lightning strike among the polytheistic tribes of His time. With Muhammad (SAW) like Christ, their testament was so other worldly especially blaming poverty on society especially social lack of mirality and compassion completely differently to Hindu-Buddhist blaming the pauper for his poverty as punishmebt for past lives' sins. This attitude very much continues in India with its anti-Christian, anti-Islam caste discrimination and Thailand, Laos and Cambodia blaming victims of landmines as an untouchable or justly punished caste, their horrific maiming being considered punishment in this life for their previous incarnations' sins- whereas Islam-Christianity (fastest growing religions in these areas) says no- it was clearly an horrific accident caused by the stupidity and inhumanity of those who landmined the area and their soul has unequivocal equality in society with full chance, no different to others', of total Redemption especially through charity.

  • @robertpaulson2187
    @robertpaulson2187 Před 7 lety +78

    I remember hearing this is why the British uniform was red in the time of the empire as it was the cheapest colour to dye a uniform.

    • @RangerHouston
      @RangerHouston Před 3 lety +4

      Doesn’t hurt that when you’ve been shot you’re friends can’t tell.

    • @Anaris10
      @Anaris10 Před 3 lety +9

      The color was known as "Venetian Red" and was indeed the cheapest.

    • @DavidEllis94
      @DavidEllis94 Před 2 lety +5

      @@RangerHouston If your comrades are paying attention, however, it might be a giveaway when you groan and keel over.

    • @sethiroth1065
      @sethiroth1065 Před 2 lety +2

      I thought it was for if they get hurt when they bleed they look like there immortal since u can’t see blood

    • @samiezzi6143
      @samiezzi6143 Před 2 lety +2

      I know its been years. But does anyone have any source for this because it might help an essay im working on

  • @luciusquinctiuscincinnatus6627

    So....are you saying there is a chance,even if it is small, that some roman soldiers wore pink tunics ? Even due to fading?
    "Quintilius Varus, give me back my pink legions!"

    • @duchessskye4072
      @duchessskye4072 Před 7 lety +19

      Omg this made me laugh out loud.
      Quote of the Year definitely!

    • @jeremiaas15
      @jeremiaas15 Před 7 lety +41

      Up untill early 20th century pink was considered to be a pretty butch colour.

    • @allmightlionthunder5515
      @allmightlionthunder5515 Před 6 lety +11

      Still want them back low "Quintilius Varus, give me back my pink legions"

    • @teedepefanio4974
      @teedepefanio4974 Před 3 lety +5

      Lmfao

    • @robertpatter5509
      @robertpatter5509 Před 2 lety +5

      Hmm what would pink signify?
      Red meaning Mars, military and martial power.
      White meaning well read, intelligence, patience
      Pink meaning someone similar to Marcus Aurelias? A Warrior Poet?

  • @misseli1
    @misseli1 Před 4 lety +40

    I guess we tend to assume ancient soldiers had a uniform because that *has* been the case in the last few centuries

    • @thoranevans4832
      @thoranevans4832 Před 2 lety +6

      Agreed, I would go as far to say a lot of people don't realize how incredibly costly war was in those times. The early Roman legions were members of the upper crust because only they could afford the horses/armor/weapons needed to fight in battle. It was only since the Marian reforms that equipment was provided to the legions for free and ranks opened up to anyone.
      It would make sense then if everyone was buying their own equipment the army would come out looking less than uniform, pun intended. In fact, it used to be a point of pride to say you could afford to fight in Rome's wars.

  • @MrShasle
    @MrShasle Před 5 lety +15

    Been proven through the years that depending on who the soldier served if try was navy cav or foot and what era and post.
    Soldier
    Red
    Brown
    Yellow
    White
    Cav
    Light brown
    White
    Red
    Brownie green
    Navy
    Blue
    Moss green
    Orange

  • @nathanieljernigan1147
    @nathanieljernigan1147 Před 7 lety +657

    Well at least we are definitely certain they didn't wear Green. Since Green isn't a creative color.

    • @salamut2202
      @salamut2202 Před 7 lety +113

      They also probably didn't use orange, they wouldn't want their enemies thinking creatively and seeing a silly face walking along and smiling at them.

    • @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy
      @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy Před 7 lety +52

      Nathaniel Jernigan True warrior always wears pink. 😏

    • @nathanieljernigan1147
      @nathanieljernigan1147 Před 7 lety +7

      qwerty qwerty they typically slip into their pink before and after battle. Only the truly brash do *it* during. 😉

    • @Telsion
      @Telsion Před 7 lety +4

      qwerty qwerty PRAETORIANS!

    • @MrChickennugget360
      @MrChickennugget360 Před 7 lety +17

      pink? we are not talking about Thebens here.

  • @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy
    @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy Před 7 lety +399

    Who would like to see metatron playing mount and blade warband? :)

    • @nikosdikelas8334
      @nikosdikelas8334 Před 7 lety +4

      qwerty qwerty Nah... immersion scientists say that mount and blade is not....... ammersive

    • @duchessskye4072
      @duchessskye4072 Před 7 lety +12

      Who would like to see Metattron playing Warband... Multiplayer xD
      Man, it would take a huge amount of time to get used to that...

    • @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy
      @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy Před 7 lety +2

      The_Shinigami Pixelated Apollo did that and plays with his subscribers against other youtubers. :D

    • @enoughofyourkoicarp
      @enoughofyourkoicarp Před 7 lety +17

      I never trust immersion scientists, they're not very convincing.

    • @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy
      @qwertyqwerty-ek7dy Před 7 lety

      enoughofyourkoicarp What eaven are they? 😅

  • @Insectoid_
    @Insectoid_ Před 4 lety +9

    Love how your accent is quite well spoken British But with Italian bits here and there :)

  • @ulrichkrieg2224
    @ulrichkrieg2224 Před 7 lety +8

    Keep up the great work metatron. You keep my work days interesting (I listen to your videos in the background). You answer questions I never thought to ask.

  • @nikosdikelas8334
    @nikosdikelas8334 Před 7 lety +118

    Why metatron why so early in the morning now i have to loose my university lesson

  • @scutumfidelis1436
    @scutumfidelis1436 Před 7 lety +388

    Red is the best color! Too bad in fiction it usually means you're the bad guy.

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 Před 7 lety +110

      "All wings report in."
      "Red 10 standing by."
      "Red 7 standing by."
      "Red 3 standing by."
      "Red 6 standing by."
      "Red 9 standing by."
      "Red 2 standing by."
      "Red 11 standing by."
      "Red 5 standing by."

    • @scutumfidelis1436
      @scutumfidelis1436 Před 7 lety +59

      germanvisitor2 I said usually dammnit!

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 Před 7 lety +61

      Daredevil, Red Tornado, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Red Riding Hood, Red Robin, Mario :-)

    • @scutumfidelis1436
      @scutumfidelis1436 Před 7 lety +54

      germanvisitor2 Krauts never give up do they? lol

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 Před 7 lety +42

      Red Skull!
      ... Oh wait!

  • @HyperGnome
    @HyperGnome Před 7 lety +234

    Awww Asterix o/ As a French guy, thank you for the reference xD

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +42

      ;)

    • @cityassassin
      @cityassassin Před 7 lety +8

      I remember watching Asterix when I was a tiny thing. Good stuff for sure.

    • @thesapientsapiophile
      @thesapientsapiophile Před 7 lety +8

      When my father was stationed in Germany, I watched Asterix a lot. It brings back so many fond memories. I do forget, however, His big friend's name. Nonetheless, my favorite was Asterix Vs. the bureaucracy.

    • @pn4960
      @pn4960 Před 7 lety

      coucou

    • @HyperGnome
      @HyperGnome Před 7 lety +8

      Read every single one of the Stories (yes they're comics before anything else). ^^
      Jeffery -> Obélix is the name of the big friend.
      Et salut ^^

  • @sststr
    @sststr Před 7 lety +269

    You look and sound real tired in this one. I know you promised yourself to do a new video every day, but if it's getting to the point of harming your health, don't be shy to take a day or two off. Your health is more important than any given video; take care of yourself first, videos second!

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +130

      Thank you very much for your concern :)

    • @zerrowolf6747
      @zerrowolf6747 Před 7 lety +22

      I am inclined to agree with sststr, go for quality of qunatity and keep yourself sane, even if that means skipping a day or two. We arn't going anywhere ;]

    • @MrChickennugget360
      @MrChickennugget360 Před 7 lety +7

      fuck you Metatron

    • @zerrowolf6747
      @zerrowolf6747 Před 7 lety +17

      this did crack me up a bit, completely out of the blue lol

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +58

      This Mr.Chickennuget surely is a true gentleman and a bright example to us all ;)

  • @Jamie_Case
    @Jamie_Case Před 3 lety +9

    When Metatron fixes you with his steely gaze, you know you're just wrong, about everything, and there's no point even trying to argue. It's a powerful thing.

  • @epsilonborealis
    @epsilonborealis Před 7 lety +4

    I'm in awe at how interesting and informative this video is!

  • @LilyISay
    @LilyISay Před 7 lety +28

    I could listen to you pronounce Latin binomials all day.

  • @Tomartyr
    @Tomartyr Před 7 lety +106

    If some historians think it's impossible to understand the Roman army without having been in it then why are they wasting their time?

    • @13tuyuti
      @13tuyuti Před 7 lety +12

      Because they think being in a reenactment club is just as good as having been in the actual Roman army. Of course there are records of Vegetius never having been in a reenactment club.

    • @kevinhendryx665
      @kevinhendryx665 Před 7 lety +33

      Historians are ALWAYS writing about peoples, places, and events they have no personal experience of. It's ridiculous to pretend anyone has to serve in an army to understand it. Most military historians have never been in combat and I guarantee you none living today ever fought in an ancient battle.

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 Před 6 lety +7

      A big problem with 'history' is that you don't have to know what you are talking about to write and sell books to other people who don't know what you're writing about.
      I have a section in my personal library of trash history books. Mostly on military history.

    • @shorelockhomes943
      @shorelockhomes943 Před 6 lety +2

      Tomartyr mabey some of those kinds of historian are wannabe renacters.

    • @GooglyEyedJoe
      @GooglyEyedJoe Před 6 lety +5

      It's the historical version of saying "Bro have you even served?!" when someone tries to comment on military matters and you get those angry veterans who "gatekeep" the military like you can only know if you've experienced it or something.

  • @zacakafroztee
    @zacakafroztee Před 7 lety +5

    I really enjoy the Roman content the most. Excellent video, thanks Metatron!

  • @guidokreeuseler9566
    @guidokreeuseler9566 Před 7 lety +53

    In the pre-marian legion there would be no uniform tunic color at all (it being a citizen militia). And after the marian reforms and in the Imperial era it seems one should not assume that there were uniform tunics. I do think it's certain that post-marian legionairies got standard issue cloaks and belts from the government. The soldier's belt was his uniform? At least I've read that the belt of a legionairy was the most important sign of him being a soldier.

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +24

      Very true, infact they would wear the belt on the tunic when not wearint armour, but it's still far from being a uniform.

    • @guidokreeuseler9566
      @guidokreeuseler9566 Před 7 lety +14

      Oh very true! Military uniforms as we know them are a fairly new thing that only really became standard in the 17th century

    • @mikereger1186
      @mikereger1186 Před 7 lety +8

      The nearest contemporary I can cite is Cromwell's New Model Army. The original Redcoats.
      I'd contend that the Romans had the finance and capability to equip their men better than Cromwell ever could, yet he was able to establish uniformity and consistency of arms, armour and equipment. Granted he didn't need to make more than breastplates and helmets, far easier than making mail. And he didn't have such long distances or supply lines to worry about. But otherwise, why shouldn't Rome have been as good?
      A certain amount of uniformity is required to make a unit work. Issuing weapons makes sense so they can share the same reach, or all be equipped to throw pilae. Having a mix of various weapons in a unit would have a poor effect on its capabilities. It leaves you with a feudal peasant mob. Chances are that Rome at least issued weapons.
      Having a uniform colour would help ensure that similarly equipped soldiers in a melee could identify who was on which side (think of pre-imperial times, Sulla, Caesar, Pompey, Octavian, Antony). Lose unit coherency for any reason and how to tell who's who? From a practical point of view, you'd want roughly the same colour in your unit. However, why not just paint your shields to do this? Way cheaper, and the tunics would be mostly obscured by the mail being worn. Again, it would make sense to have a certain amount of centralised control over this even if it's just issuing paint...

    • @kevinhendryx665
      @kevinhendryx665 Před 7 lety +2

      Yes, and the professional military mind has always favored uniformity, when achievable. Rome spent much on its army and I doubt they skimped on dyes. Contractors for supplies and equipment could easily have supplied batches of cloth in uniform colors, or even made up the garments themselves.

    • @mysticonthehill
      @mysticonthehill Před 6 lety +4

      Actually many indigenous peoples even had uniforms, complete with "metals" for prestigious acts of service. The concept of uniformity is ancient. Every people wanted to be readily identifiable as one of the tribe/of the warband so to not to be mistaken as an enemy.

  • @stumbling
    @stumbling Před 7 lety +5

    I remember when you had less than 5k subscribers! Congratulations! I wish you continued success.

  • @velikiradojica
    @velikiradojica Před 7 lety +23

    I love how the plants used for cheap dyes are literary called tinctoria or "to dye."

  • @anamericangrizzlybear8315

    "Purple was expensive"
    Understatement of the century

    • @d4n737
      @d4n737 Před 2 lety

      Yeah, I'm pretty sure that if you choke a bloke enough he'll be just the right shade, that's for free.... Shame you can't put that color on a fabric... That'd be neat.

  • @LastCelt1989
    @LastCelt1989 Před 7 lety +3

    Great video, as always!
    Just a few things, Polybius was long dead by Caesar's time, so he wouldn't be describing his campaigns. Also the problem with Vegetius isn't so much that he wasn't in the army but that he lived right at the very end of the empire by which time, as you no doubt already know, the Legions had changed profoundly.
    Grazie mille per il tuo lavoro and per l'informazione, l'ho trovata molto interessante.

  • @nebelwerferdiorama8369
    @nebelwerferdiorama8369 Před 7 lety +13

    Bravo, ottimo inglese! Hai pensato a realizzare questi video anche in italiano? Argomenti sempre intetessanti e di buon livell culturale: bravo!

  • @Slashplite
    @Slashplite Před 7 lety +233

    Can you make a video about Roman exploration? Where did they go? Did they ever trade with Chinese?

    • @alessandromangiapia9819
      @alessandromangiapia9819 Před 7 lety +56

      Slashplite I think I have heard in a TV documentary that in China they even had a mercenary army from Rome, described as "they fight like the scales of a snake " in referral to their testudo. Also they have found some roman coins in China. I could be wrong because I don't have the exact source, but the TV program was from a famous Italian documentarist (Alberto Angela), known to be quite serious 😁

    • @TheCrimsonAtom
      @TheCrimsonAtom Před 7 lety +37

      The Romans most defiantly traded with the Chinese and Indians, whether they went there or not I have no idea..

    • @sophiejones7727
      @sophiejones7727 Před 7 lety +33

      not directly. They knew about China, but not very many Romans ever went there. They also didn't have a clear idea of where it was, and certainly no idea how big it was. On maps it occasionally appears as a small nation just east of "Sogdia": but obviously this is not at all accurate. If there were Romans who had been to China, they obviously weren't divulging what they knew. More likely, for the most part, the Chinese came to the Romans.

    • @trentwilis2582
      @trentwilis2582 Před 7 lety +6

      Sophie Jones But was China a United nation at that time?

    • @sophiejones7727
      @sophiejones7727 Před 7 lety +11

      I don't know much Chinese history, so I'm not 100% sure how politically united they were. The region was vaguely known as "Chin" or "China" to the Persians, Seleucids and Romans. This might have represented an economic confederation rather than a political entity though, I'm not sure.
      +Metatron, do you know what was up in China circa the 1st Century BC?

  • @Gloin79
    @Gloin79 Před 7 lety +144

    If blue and red are cheap why can't you mix them up to make purple? Or does my first grade science not apply here

    • @AlyssaGrawey
      @AlyssaGrawey Před 7 lety +143

      My guess would be that it just makes brown because of the different materials.

    • @TheCsel
      @TheCsel Před 7 lety +81

      Gloin79 they may not mix well being made of different substances and dyes set differently so they won't wash out.

    • @Gloin79
      @Gloin79 Před 7 lety +51

      well we all know everyone wore brown in the past, you can see it in all the movies :p

    • @Khaiell
      @Khaiell Před 7 lety +121

      Mixing blue and red would give them dull violet instead of vibrant purple. Close but the difference would be visible and mocked at a posh party :-)

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast Před 7 lety +18

      Mixing blue and red gives violet? Only in a RGB screen world.

  • @noname123412
    @noname123412 Před 7 lety +31

    polybius couln't have possible written about julius caesar as he was dead at that time. u mixed up some other writer
    as for vegetius - the main problem is being him a later author so his description of earlier periods might be compromised

    • @kevinhendryx665
      @kevinhendryx665 Před 7 lety +1

      I have also wondered about the Polybius mix-up. Maybe he meant Tacitus or Livy.

    • @SNP-1999
      @SNP-1999 Před 5 lety

      @@Thetarget1
      I immediately thought there must be a mistake when Metatron quoted "Polybios", which couldn't possibly be right. I thought he must have meant correctly either Plutarch or Cassius Dio, as my first two bets.

  • @Puppy_Puppington
    @Puppy_Puppington Před 7 lety +2

    kinda random but metatron dude youre awesome. I love when I see true honest people who have great intentions like yourself. knowledge is the most priceless of all our resources. thank you. and its kinda weird huh like. that one saying . u either got it or u don't for a lot of things in life. and you got it. u got something that just makes you so charismatic and addictive to watch

  • @Trowis61
    @Trowis61 Před 3 lety +2

    Metatron your videos are absolutely wonderful. I have received such a great insight into the Roman world and culture by watching your videos. I admire the depth of your knowledge about this age in history as well as your mastery of ancient Latin spoken and written. I consider your videos a must see for anyone who wants an in depth crash course about all facets of the time of this great Roman civilization. I am curious if you are English or Italian? Thank You Very Much for Great Works!

  • @valky5318
    @valky5318 Před 7 lety +325

    I'm redy to hear what you red about roman tunics.
    Aite, I'll see myself out.

  • @kingherobrin
    @kingherobrin Před 7 lety +3

    1.40 am looks at subscription box a Metatron video and about Rome no less. BTW hello from Canada.

  • @FMHammyJ
    @FMHammyJ Před 7 lety +2

    I'm so glad I came across you channel....so informative, interesting, and delivered in such a wonderful speaking voice......

  • @TedBronson1918
    @TedBronson1918 Před 7 lety +1

    Metatron, Good video. Colors were complicated back then because some of them were reserved as marks of distinction and some were appropriate at certain times and places. Mark Anthony was criticized for entering the Senate wearing a red military cloak. I've read a lot of ancient Roman histories- a hobby of mine- and the impression I got was that scarlet was a color reserved for the nobility and the purple for the Imperial family, at least as far as stripes on formal wear like a toga was concerned. This was by law. Over time there was a lot of variance in the width of the stripe(s) until that too was controlled eventually by a law limiting the stripe width. Though not certain, I think the same laws regarding color also governed tunic color, scarlet for nobles and purple for Imperials. Of course they could wear other colors as they wished, unless prohibited by law.
    I also got the impression that different units had what they considered their standard look, like shield shape, type, colors and patterns. I do know that later on regulations or requirements were made for auxiliary units as to what standard equipment they should have and what arms they were to bear, and the Romans had already been organized.. I can't help but think that at least in the Roman army, different units had things like individual legion colors and that their tunics would match, especially if dyes for the colors were cheap and clothing affordable by the legionary soldiers. Such things make it easier to identify friend or foe in battle, and the Romans were practical. Plus it enhances unit cohesion, the group identity. For units the size of a legion it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that a merchant who could provide just such colored tunics would travel with them. 5,000 plus soldiers would make a good customer base for such a specialized merchant

    • @citricdemon
      @citricdemon Před 7 měsíci

      I think this specific video is about the late Republic period, so there was no imperial family to wear purple yet. To be honest, it is a bad question to ask: "what color did the Roman soldiers wear?" If I asked you "what color did the American soldiers wear", you wouldn't know how to answer, because it's changed, significantly, more than a dozen times in the last 200 years. And the "Roman soldier" existed for 2000.
      But then again, everyone asking about "Roman soldiers" is only asking about legionaries from 55-34BC, because that's the only "Rome" anyone cares about. So maybe it's not so bad a question.

  • @empireepic92
    @empireepic92 Před 3 lety +4

    6:37 I think the word you are looking for is “tribunes”

  • @ummonk
    @ummonk Před 7 lety +40

    The idea that there was a uniform military garb for the Roman army seems to have come about from Trajan's column, which shows Roman soldiers wearing identical Lorica Segmentata while fighting the very diversely attired Dacians. The problem of course is that Trajan's column is rather propagandastic triumphant iconography and can't be trusted to provide a realistic view of the Roman army.

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT Před 4 lety +1

      _diversely attired Dacians_ ...? Not really. Noblemen wear "pileus" that Phrygian style cap and the rest did not. The other clothing elements were the same.

  • @leopoldsamsonite1750
    @leopoldsamsonite1750 Před 5 lety +2

    Another great segment. I learned quite alot, thank you

  • @TheDustyForest
    @TheDustyForest Před 7 lety +1

    Really great video as always! I've actually been interested in finding out about ancient dyes for a while, so that was also an unexpected surprise :D

  • @barnabyaprobert5159
    @barnabyaprobert5159 Před 5 lety +4

    I find it hard to believe that with all the frescos in Pompeii that there isn't a single image of a soldier wearing a tunic of some color.

  • @Hellwinofficial
    @Hellwinofficial Před 7 lety +12

    The quote about Caesar ordering the purple tunic to be hung in front of his tent is very interesting. Are you completely sure that it is from Polybius? I have read his Historia and can't remember that he referred to any Caesar. Seing as the most famous Caesar, being Gaius Julius, lived some 40 years after Polybius it would be rather strange if Polybius mentioned him or any of his successors.

    • @MrScovanx
      @MrScovanx Před 7 lety +1

      I would like to know the answer to this as well.

    • @petra123987
      @petra123987 Před 7 lety +10

      Rickard Öberg He made a mistake, it was Plutarch. There is a clarification in the video description.

    • @Hellwinofficial
      @Hellwinofficial Před 7 lety

      I didn't notice that. Thanks for letting me know :)

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast Před 7 lety +1

      "They never mention bibliography" vs I just quote a random author.

    • @Hellwinofficial
      @Hellwinofficial Před 7 lety

      @Sam Percy that is correct as far as I know aswell :)

  • @andreashykade2352
    @andreashykade2352 Před 3 lety +2

    This video: 10/10
    Your channel in general: 10/10
    Now let's continue binge watching. :D

  • @igorvoloshin8515
    @igorvoloshin8515 Před 4 lety +1

    Many thanks to Author for the very interesting and detailed explanation for the topic! I subscribed :)
    Just wanted to comment 16:00 for the crimson dye source. The Ukrainian, Belorussian, Polish languages use traditional Slavic names for the months, not the Roman ones like Russian does. These Slavic names all reflect seasonal natural changes and agricultural seasonal works. In particular, the name for 'June' is 'Cherven'. This is exactly because in June there was a time to collect chervets insects to make crimson dye. Old Slavic and modern Ukrainian 'chervets' is Latin 'cermes'. Moreover, the color 'red' in Ukrainian is 'chervony' due to this insect (well, going further in ethyology, the word 'chervets' comes from the Slavic root 'cherv' which means simply 'worm' :)
    16:30 Latin 'reseda' is Ukrainian 'rezeda'; 16:40 Latin 'lichen' is Ukrainian 'lishay'; Latin 'rubia' is Ukrainian 'marena'; 17:30 Latin 'isatis' is Ukrainian 'wayda', and, yes - all of them were (and still are) used in Ukrainian traditional crafts to produce corresponding dyes.

  • @gibrannicholau3447
    @gibrannicholau3447 Před 7 lety +16

    Turns out the Romans were wearing green

  • @demomanchaos
    @demomanchaos Před 7 lety +66

    I just had a realization. Mr Metatron, is there a connection between Mars and MARtial arts? Was the term "martial" derived from Mars?

    • @thiagocarvalho3882
      @thiagocarvalho3882 Před 7 lety +65

      demomanchaos Yes It was

    • @dernwine
      @dernwine Před 7 lety +22

      A lot of English words have Latin roots (either directly from Latin or via old French).

    • @nastrael
      @nastrael Před 7 lety +39

      demomanchaos Yes, the Latin root of martial is "martialis", which means "of, or pertaining to, Mars" which, with Mars being the God of War, implies "of, or pertaining to, War". Hence the modern meaning of "martial".

    • @christosvoskresye
      @christosvoskresye Před 7 lety +17

      Actually, it comes from MARSupial. Think "Perry the Platypus".

    • @Fynedge
      @Fynedge Před 7 lety +7

      There is also a connection to March (or Mars in French), as it was the start of the campaign season after a winter's rest.

  • @polenc7167
    @polenc7167 Před 7 lety +1

    This was an excellent and thorough exposition on a fascinating subject. Since I am a fine artist painting one thing occurred to me. In your mention of a painting in Pompei, you described three soldiers, one red and two with white tunics. It has been for centuries in modern time a convention to use red color to draw the eye to an object that is most significant in the painting as well as to draw that object forward. And the color red is reserved for that purpose. Is it possible that the artist in Pompei was using colors for an esthtic reason and not to describe reality? Perhaps, what do you think.

  • @Sony-Fanboy
    @Sony-Fanboy Před 7 lety

    Another proof and exemple why you're in my eyes the best reviewing historian on CZcams. This video again was full with clear information. Wich we can use for our reenactment clothing and color selection. Thank you Metatron!

  • @Zino027
    @Zino027 Před 3 lety +4

    Pfff, did they wear red? Everybody knows even in WW I everything was black and white 🤔😉

  • @georgedebleu
    @georgedebleu Před 7 lety +7

    Excellent vid! One of the best you've done.
    One thing though; the plural of armour is armour - not "armours". It is an irregular plural noun; so armour, not armours.

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +2

      So I should say "here we have two armour?"

    • @bloodypine22
      @bloodypine22 Před 7 lety +13

      Metatron Here we have two sets of armour

    • @georgedebleu
      @georgedebleu Před 7 lety +1

      Incorrect. It would be, "men wearing different _types of_ armour, such as Milanese or Gothic plate". It is an irregular plural noun that is unchanged in its use, ergo the spelling does not change in plural form. For example, you would not say (or write) "the different deers, such as Mule or White Tail", you'd say (or write), "the different deer, such as Mule or White Tail". or, "the different types of deer, such as Mule or White Tail".
      A few more examples of unchanged irregular plural nouns would be: sheep, offspring and aircraft.

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 Před 4 lety

      You guys are mixing up mass nouns and irregular plurals
      Deer is a different case than armor, which works like other words like pants, grass, information, with a "type of", "set of", "pair of", "patch of" whatever, before it. Deer, fish, chicken, doesn't require that construction because those nouns are inherited from an old neuter plural pattern in Old English. These words are differentiated by articles, "I see a deer", "I see deer" (note that "the deer" is ambiguous).

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT Před 3 lety

      English is such a fucked up language...

  • @GeorgeHutchins
    @GeorgeHutchins Před 7 lety

    It is great to have found this living History Channel on CZcams. I will be instigating his videos further. Great Work, Sir!!!

  • @helikos1
    @helikos1 Před 3 lety

    This is the first Metatron video I've seen. Heard the channels name in list referring to similar channels such as Shadiversity and Skallagrim.
    Really enjoyed the video and love the proper latin pronunciations of Caesar and v words. As well as the accent.

  • @NoobNoob-ss5hs
    @NoobNoob-ss5hs Před 5 lety +4

    "If it works, it just- it just works."

  • @zanzao-1ps318
    @zanzao-1ps318 Před 7 lety +37

    Red is cooler, that's the point.

  • @sergiyradonezhsky634
    @sergiyradonezhsky634 Před 5 lety

    Meta, here I am watching an old video. and look at this you got 350k subscribers now. good on you brother!

  • @rodrigogalilea9409
    @rodrigogalilea9409 Před 7 lety +2

    I remember a reference of Caesar wearing a red cape at some time during the final siege against Vercingetorix on the War of the Gaul. But could be an invention, also the way it's mentioned led me to think, at the time, that this red cape was a sort of special thing.

  • @asnard2346
    @asnard2346 Před 7 lety +15

    what colour was the tunic before applying any dye?

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +29

      A slightly darker/dirty shade of white which would vary depending on the fabric used either wool or linen.

    • @asnard2346
      @asnard2346 Před 7 lety +1

      A-ha...

    • @MCAroon09
      @MCAroon09 Před 6 lety +2

      most pure things are white

    • @khankrum1
      @khankrum1 Před 5 lety

      Lime bleach was used to make fabric white. fabrics are not "pure" until bleached and dyed.

    • @Williaem00
      @Williaem00 Před 5 lety

      I have a white tunic I purchased at a medieval Faire, it’s quality.
      What could I use to dye it red ??!!
      Any good dyes to get the Roman color red ?

  • @Crimson-kt7fd
    @Crimson-kt7fd Před 7 lety +3

    Would you be able to do a video about the Roman soldiers that were used by the Parthians against the ancient Han empire? I recently read a little about this and I wondered what your thoughts on it were?

  • @hewertonlaurindo6285
    @hewertonlaurindo6285 Před 7 lety +2

    You are amazing! And i need to say, a love the videos about Elder Scrolls. Hello from Brazil.

  • @LegionaryAtticus
    @LegionaryAtticus Před 7 lety

    I don't think I've ever finished one of your videos. I think I'm hooked but then I click on another video I find interesting.

  • @andrewplck
    @andrewplck Před 7 lety +7

    So was there a standardisation of Roman equipment at any time? I know there was a military reform in later Roman history, but wasn't there any army standard, any piece of equipment provided by the state?

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop Před 7 lety +1

      I used to know about swords , shields and pillum being issued by the state.... , but now I am not so sure ... hm , indeed how was the equipment provided ? good question !

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop Před 7 lety

      oh ok cool , good to know Thanks :D

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT Před 3 lety

      The belts

  • @AmanShah187
    @AmanShah187 Před 7 lety +4

    it is a common misconception to think the Roman's opened trade routes to China, in truth there is little evidence that any trader would travel any significant distance across the silk road, it was not economical to go from China even all the way to Persia let alone Mediterranean.. it was more a relay system of many merchants traveling short distances, it is also why the price and value of good went up so much as they moved because there were a great deal of middle men. a few Chinese explorers and monks did go all the way to India and often to Persia but the Parthians and Sassanids acted as a middle man between Han China and Roman Mediterranean guarding there position jealously as there was great wealth to be made

    • @AmanShah187
      @AmanShah187 Před 7 lety +1

      the sogdians are the best example of a silk road empire based purely on trade, check them out if you are interested in silk road economics the word sogdian even became the word for merchant across the silk road as they were so prevalent in the trade

  •  Před 4 lety +2

    Yeah, I was taught it during studies in vexilology that crimson was expensive but red was cheap. So I have to second this idea.

  • @sfsfinancing3299
    @sfsfinancing3299 Před 7 lety

    BTW, I do appreciate the effort you make to read and check on your ideas. So far, I find your interpretations make sense, and I like that you remind people that Rome existed for long period, and its customs and actions differed over time. I like that you remind people that history is complex and that true certainty is rare.

  • @alesmatoh4625
    @alesmatoh4625 Před 7 lety +71

    Imagine romans wearing pink ... or rainbow colours ... that would make them a fabulous army :P

    • @Speederzzz
      @Speederzzz Před 7 lety +1

      aleš Matoh +

    • @paprskomet
      @paprskomet Před 7 lety +13

      There are actually pics showing them in pink shades tunics .-)...however it was only in late 19th century that pink started to be associated with females in western world.

    • @davidquezada50
      @davidquezada50 Před 7 lety +8

      aleš Matoh be one amazing sight before they rekt your culture and religion xD

    • @alesmatoh4625
      @alesmatoh4625 Před 7 lety +2

      +David Quezada worth it :P

    • @ZanOGAL
      @ZanOGAL Před 7 lety

      the Bi empire

  • @ChapBloke
    @ChapBloke Před 7 lety +4

    How would the colour white be produced? Or rather, how did the process of making white tunics go? Would that have been cheaper than any other colour?

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +15

      When we say white we mean the natural colour of wool, so a kind of dirty white, and yes that's the cheapest option for sure.

    • @ChapBloke
      @ChapBloke Před 7 lety

      Thanks, so really we should imagine legionaries(?) wearing a mixture of tunic colours, but mostly grey/yellowish white?

    • @fizikshizik
      @fizikshizik Před 7 lety +2

      Why you think that legionaries should wear the cheapest possible option??? What are they, the army of hobos? Have you ever seen what happens with soldier looks when the uniform discipline relaxes? Have you ever seen the pictures of soldiers of the past? Bling of war! If you look dirty cheap you are either a rookie or on a very hard campaign or a loser...

    • @ChapBloke
      @ChapBloke Před 7 lety +1

      I wasn't suggesting they were a bunch of unwashed, unshaven extras from a Conan movie. Rather that it wouldn't have looked like Hollywood where everyone has the same armour and tunic. I just considered that the economics of investing in amour and equipment vs investing in a fancy tunic, a recruit might prefer to skimp on the latter. Then again it's very possible commanders would like to have all their men wearing the same colour, we don't know.

    • @eldricgrubbidge6465
      @eldricgrubbidge6465 Před 7 lety

      I believe historically the easiest way to produce bleach was from urine. I'm not sure about the Roman Empire specifically though

  • @saromon1989
    @saromon1989 Před 7 lety +2

    Finally a good video to watch about roman soldiers and their colours. Thank you, Metatron!

  • @WarblesOnALot
    @WarblesOnALot Před 7 lety

    G'day,
    Yay Team !
    I am possessed of an aged matriarch who studied fashion & design for 4 years back in the 1950s, then taught it in Schools & Technical Colleges... ; and when I was a child (1970) she started getting into Spinning & Weaving, so of course dyeing the Yarn which she'd spun, before or after weaving it, was "all part of the trip".
    For years, we had a set of Floor-to-Ceiling Curtains in the Dining-room in which the Warp was handspun wool dyed Green with boiled-up dried Seaweed, and the Weft was handspun & dyed Yellow with boiled-up Onion-Skins...; it's quite a production to grow up around, it goes on for days for each batch/colour.
    An easier way of getting Colour-Contrast is to shear black Sheep as well as white ones.
    I have a "Sports-Jacket" made of homemade Tweed woven from Black & White Merino, and a matching Tie in Black & White Merino woven in Houndstooth pattern on a 4-Shaft Loom...; the Tweed Jacket - including being hand-tailored - took 1,000 Hours of skilled work from Fleece to first wearing..., and the Houndstooth Tie took 100 (she got 9 Ties out of the Swatch of cloth, 4 went to family-members & 5 to Sheepfarmers who had been donating Fleeces).
    The old girl is 80 these days, still spinning & weaving, and she has 9 or a dozen 60 year-old women all learning different kinds of weaving on different Looms, simultaneously ; we joke that she's cloning her Skillset into separate Brains, in parallel, so that when she "falls off the perch" the knowledge isn't lost to the community, at a functional level.
    We live in interesting times ,
    ;-p
    Ciao !

  • @eoghanmccarthy3623
    @eoghanmccarthy3623 Před 7 lety +3

    Dear metatron
    I really enjoy your videos. I feel your debunking ones are a bit harsh as those videos are clearly made for a more casual audience. All the same really enjoy your work, and was wondering what's your opinion on the movie the last sumarai both in historic accuracy and just as a movie in general.

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +4

      I think I will make a video about that film eventually ;)

    • @kaladin7487
      @kaladin7487 Před 7 lety

      Metatron I'd like to see a video on it!

    • @maximaldinotrap
      @maximaldinotrap Před 6 lety

      Be prepared for a little bit of rage from it when he does lol.

  • @Ken19700
    @Ken19700 Před 7 lety +12

    "Fragments of surviving clothing and wall paintings indicate that the basic tunic of the Roman soldier was of red or undyed (off-white) wool". - Sumner, Graham (2009). Roman Military Dress. Stroud: The History Press.

  • @george3470
    @george3470 Před 3 lety +2

    Very interesting video. Can you do a video regarding legionnaires from the Egyptian province. I am very curious how the Theban legion (Christian legion that was martyred) looked like?

  • @mythez604
    @mythez604 Před rokem

    Great work as always, love your videos! As a biologist however I feel I must correct you on the definition of lichen. They're in fact not plants but rather complex organisms formed of mycobionts (fungi) and photobionts (algae or cyanobacteria).

  • @dIRECTOR259
    @dIRECTOR259 Před 7 lety +16

    Did Roman soldiers need to buy their armour after the Marian reforms, or were they given their equipment by the state/general?
    Because if you have to buy the equipment - what's the point of allowing the poor into the legions?

    • @petreius91
      @petreius91 Před 7 lety +4

      dIRECT0R equipment was a statal duty si ce the times of Furius Camillus.

    • @dIRECTOR259
      @dIRECTOR259 Před 7 lety +6

      No, the Marian reforms allowed the poor into the legions. Before that everybody had to have their own equipment. AFTER the Marian reforms (which were obviously instituted for the manpower), did soldiers still need to buy their equipment? I don't think so, it doesn't make much sense - what's the point if you still had to have enough money.

    • @dIRECTOR259
      @dIRECTOR259 Před 7 lety +1

      Why is Metatron talking about legionnaires buying their armour??

    • @petreius91
      @petreius91 Před 7 lety +2

      dIRECT0R no, the "census" was a form of warranty for the state. If i give you an armour and you die in the first battle, i loose my investment. With census rules your assets could indemnify the Republica.
      With Marian reform the warranty is only the stipendium, and the Republica accepts to loose money in equipment which will never refund in order to recruit more people.

    • @dIRECTOR259
      @dIRECTOR259 Před 7 lety

      I don't understand your English... and its Res Publica. That wasn't the name of the state either.

  • @darklordkyrociss9490
    @darklordkyrociss9490 Před 7 lety +193

    But how the fuck did they know Mars was red if the telescope wasn't invented yet?

    • @Perry-vg5hr
      @Perry-vg5hr Před 7 lety +59

      They Call Me Vern Mars was the name of the Roman god of war, similar to Greek Ares.

    • @nikosdikelas8334
      @nikosdikelas8334 Před 7 lety +23

      Brendan Lewis Mars and Ares were the same i think because the romans copied the greek pantheon Although i am not sure

    • @br5ooksrwally
      @br5ooksrwally Před 7 lety +8

      so did they name the planet mars after they discovered it was red?

    • @nikosdikelas8334
      @nikosdikelas8334 Před 7 lety +167

      br5ooksrwally No... people could observe with bare eyes that Mars was Red and even the Greeks were calling this planet Ares

    • @algi1
      @algi1 Před 7 lety +166

      They looked up and saw it.

  • @igorkiriakoss9291
    @igorkiriakoss9291 Před 3 lety +1

    @Metatron just a quick question, but how did you learn classic Latin and pronunciation? What’s the best way to learn?

  • @doms.6701
    @doms.6701 Před 7 lety

    This is one of the few channels I watch where I am willing to watch every ad.

  • @dIRECTOR259
    @dIRECTOR259 Před 7 lety +5

    05:43 Caesar wasn't wearing what we today call "purple", which can be seen in your images, he was wearing Tyrian purple, which is reddish-purple and is also called "Tyrian red".

  • @mjavdani3085
    @mjavdani3085 Před 7 lety +4

    Are you implying that blue was exclusive to naval forces ?
    How about blue tunics of Tiberius Gracchus army in 2015 Jackie Chan's movie "Dragon Blade" ?

    • @mjavdani3085
      @mjavdani3085 Před 7 lety

      Oh and I really want to know more about the Roman's lost legion !!! PLZ !!!!

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Před 7 lety +12

      Not really implying it was exclusive, I'm only saying that Vegetius mentions naval only, but that doesn't mean other units chose blue considering it was cheap. ;)

    • @TheYOUwatchTV
      @TheYOUwatchTV Před 7 lety +5

      what about tehe airforce?

    • @forgiven36511
      @forgiven36511 Před 6 lety +2

      Tim/Pol/ I just got a picture in my head of Roman soldiers launching each other out of catapults...

    • @allmightlionthunder5515
      @allmightlionthunder5515 Před 6 lety +1

      Very little is know of that army coz it was wiped from history so its said ! .
      The Roman's lost legions Scotland one about an eagle , Germany dumb one of Varus , China .
      The terrain best them in Germany tree all over the place not for unit fighting really same with Scotland tree and hills ! .
      Roman solders was open filed fighting mostly the field of Mars field of battle ! .

  • @janetmackinnon3411
    @janetmackinnon3411 Před rokem

    So interesting! Thank you again.
    I am learning so much from you.

  • @matturso2224
    @matturso2224 Před 6 lety +1

    I've been dyeing to know this information! XD Great video!

  • @Handymancinema
    @Handymancinema Před 7 lety +4

    What do you personally think about how the Greek painted their sculptures compared to the romans who kept them raw white.

    • @cazek445
      @cazek445 Před 6 lety

      Jouri Wiemes The romans also had colors... Most of the colors went away because of how old it was. Pompeii had colors.

    • @dwightehowell8179
      @dwightehowell8179 Před 6 lety

      Some of the Roman statues of the wives of Emperors were made in such a way that the hair could be replaced as styles changed. You can rest assured that these beauties were properly colored at least until after her ladyship had be replaced.

  • @poisonpotato1
    @poisonpotato1 Před 4 lety +3

    I know c is pronounced like a k but it’s weird to my ears to hear Julius keye-sar

  • @frankhernandez1995
    @frankhernandez1995 Před 4 lety +2

    Excellent channel, I subscribed and recommend that you do so as well.

  • @2serveand2protect
    @2serveand2protect Před 7 lety +2

    Nice video! i gotta say one thing, though! Many researchres believe today that it was "standard practice" for the "Legionarii" to COVER THEIR RIGHT HAND (the hand that held the gladius) AND FOREARM with some sort (or ANY sort) of protection, like layers of wool pressed together, binded with leather strings - something they got from the gladiators. Sticking out a short, stabbing sword from behind the scutum may have resulted in chopping your hand off or at least - in very heavy injuries to your hand and fore-arm-bones. ...and a wounded legionaire was NO "legionaire", so it would have been highly recommended, especially since the gladius didn't have any protections for the hands -not even a "cross-guard", so leather or wool&leather "protections" may have saved your ass in the battle.
    ...and THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALMOST NEVER SHOWN...

  • @AusyG
    @AusyG Před 4 lety +10

    "All wight. I will give you one more chance. This time, I want to hear no 'Weuben's, no 'Weginald's, no 'Wudolph the Wed-nosed Weindeer's"
    "Vewy well then I shall welease bwian"

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex Před 5 lety +5

    Soldiers and officers wore red.
    In hard dry land wore white.
    Marines wore blue.
    End.

  • @THEINTERNETANOMALY
    @THEINTERNETANOMALY Před 2 lety

    Definitely one of my new favourite channels

  • @dwaynegreen1786
    @dwaynegreen1786 Před 5 lety +2

    Concerning the colors, I can’t remember if I read or heard in class that early on to get the royalty color of purple one of the key ingredients was urine...causing a very distinctive smell. Have you or anyone else heard of this to be true. Great channel, thank you.

  • @theyaalexandrupeanci6831
    @theyaalexandrupeanci6831 Před 7 lety +4

    I must know from where is the intro song

    • @dtg610420
      @dtg610420 Před 7 lety

      Theya Alexandru Peanci agreed I have absolutely love it

    • @egrif
      @egrif Před 7 lety

      Theya Alexandru Peanci I believe he has made a dedicated video about this. Try searching in his chanel (:

    • @theyaalexandrupeanci6831
      @theyaalexandrupeanci6831 Před 7 lety

      jeharnes I will you noble one

    • @SultanOfAwesomeness
      @SultanOfAwesomeness Před 7 lety

      +Theya Alexandru Peanci I had the same question not so long ago. He uses Knights Templar 1 and 2 by Johannas Bornlöf

    • @theyaalexandrupeanci6831
      @theyaalexandrupeanci6831 Před 7 lety

      Sultan Thx Sultan, I shall remember it

  • @waIdemar44
    @waIdemar44 Před 4 lety +6

    So they were called the RED army. *USSR anthem intensifies*
    Ok,i'll get out.

    • @linhhoang1363
      @linhhoang1363 Před 4 lety

      Ironically no single Red Army soldier has ever worn any piece of cloth that was dyed red...

    • @Cj-xt6tv
      @Cj-xt6tv Před 4 lety

      In Soviet Russia you don’t wear red.
      Red wears you.

  • @garyarmitage4301
    @garyarmitage4301 Před 7 lety

    Wargamers try to be historically accurate but you are so right. Uniformity was not a military concept until relatively modern times. I just hate mixing tunic colors and armor types on the table top but, again, you are right. Very helpful, Metatron, and useful for historical gamers. Thank you. (And when it comes to dyes as late as WWII there was a wide variation of colors based on who made them) Cheers

  • @Getorixi
    @Getorixi Před 7 lety +1

    Loved this video. Also one of the things I would have imagined is that colour would have also varied, especially in the Imperil times, depending on where in the empire you were stationed. Say for example being stationed in the hot deserts of Egypt, North Africa, and other hot parts of the empire such as Spain, Southern Italy, and Anatolia, I'd imagine lighter colours would be in demand to help fight off the sun, while in colder parts of the empire, say Britain, Southern Germania, and the various mountain regions of their territory the opposite would be true. Of course this is only me guessing, and odds are high that I am talking out my ass. Anyway, great video.

    • @Pablo_Abajos
      @Pablo_Abajos Před 7 lety +1

      Joshua The Unready i guess it would have to do to where the troop came from, for example iberian warriors used a white tunic with a red line, numantians wore black cloaks of wool, so i guess it will make sense to romans adapt those clothings, because worked in that regiom, or because it was a tradition in the main land of that soldier

    • @Getorixi
      @Getorixi Před 7 lety

      I'd especially imagine this if said soldiers were auxiliaries from the fringe provinces, turned into full Roman citizens after some time. They may keep to their homeland's clothing for sentiment's sake.

    • @Pablo_Abajos
      @Pablo_Abajos Před 7 lety +1

      Joshua The Unready thats what i exactly mean :P

    • @Getorixi
      @Getorixi Před 7 lety +1

      Basically, everybody keeps their security blankets. x3

  • @MichaelCorryFilms
    @MichaelCorryFilms Před 7 lety +3

    Did you mean Polybius, or Plutarch?

    • @13tuyuti
      @13tuyuti Před 7 lety

      I knew it couldn´t be Polybius so I was wondering who else it could have been. Plutarch seems like reasonable suggestion. Thanks.

    • @Nethan2000
      @Nethan2000 Před 7 lety +2

      It's Plutarch, The Life of Pompey, chapter 68

    • @MichaelCorryFilms
      @MichaelCorryFilms Před 7 lety +1

      yeah I know, I was trying to hint to metatron but don't think he ever saw my message. Polybius lived a long time but not THAT long...

  • @imperialcrusader2647
    @imperialcrusader2647 Před 7 lety +3

    SPQR!

    • @mrmoth26
      @mrmoth26 Před 5 lety

      I have your profile picture as my wallpaper.

    • @angelsfallfirst7348
      @angelsfallfirst7348 Před 4 lety

      Is there a link to the painting that I could have?

  • @g.l207
    @g.l207 Před 5 lety +1

    Great video !
    But we do know the Praetorian guards wore violet ? Don’t we ?
    Could you make a video about the origin of camouflage used by the military ???
    Also a Praetorian Vs Legionnaire?

  • @LuxAlibi
    @LuxAlibi Před 7 lety

    In the battle of the Alesia siege, from the De Bello Gallico, Caesar reaches the first line of the battle, and the legionaries "recognising him from the crimson cloak" gather all around him.
    ...Just to share a clue from that book (assuming that I remember it correctly).