How Did Roman Soldiers Level Up? Pay and Promotion in the Legions DOCUMENTARY

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  • čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
  • Learn how to make a career in the Roman Army! Thanks to MANSCAPED for sponsoring today's video! Get 20% OFF + Free International Shipping with my promo code "INVICTA" at mnscpd.com/Invicta
    We continue our Live History series which seeks to use reenactment to bring the past to life. This was made possible thanks to the awesome team at Imperium Romanum: / imperiumromanumyt
    Additional clips were produced in collaboration with "Nova Polaris" and "Veteres Milites Sibiu"
    In this history documentary we look at the topics of pay and promotion in the Roman army. This begins with a review of the early Roman Army of the Republic which was a militia based system with neither of these standarzied. However as the state expanded such systems would become necessary, especially with the transition to a fully professional army in the Roman Empire.
    We then discuss pay in the Roman Army. This covers everything from their basic salary, to bonuses, and other forms of compensation. We then turn to an understanding of the organization of the Roman Army and how one might advance up the ranks of a legion from a recruit, to a centurion, and beyond.
    Timestamps:
    00:00 Intro
    02:57 Early Pay & Promotion
    05:27 Pay Rates
    08:27 Sources of Funding
    10:42 Spending Moeny
    14:40 Rewards of Service
    15:38 Low Level Promotion
    19:08 High Level Promotion
    21:02 Examples of Careers
    Credits:
    Research = Chris Das Neves
    Script = Chris Das Neves
    Reenactment = Imperium Romanum, Veteres Milites
    Works Cited:
    Goldsworthy, A. K. (1998). Roman Warfare
    Goldsworthy, A. K. (1998). The Roman Army at War, 100 BC-AD 200. Oxford - N.Y.
    Duncan-Jones, Richard (1994). Money and Government in the Roman Empire.
    Webster, G. (1998). The Roman Imperial Army. London
    #history
    #documentary
    #rome

Komentáře • 390

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  Před 9 měsíci +12

    Watch our latest episode on the "True Size of a Spartan Army" which covers their organization, formations, and fortifications: czcams.com/video/XLd1tab8f0c/video.html

    • @Shanti09789
      @Shanti09789 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Just like modern military, it isn’t common to stay a frontline/infantry member an entire career. I suspect that there were specialists who never stood on the line as well. That said, anyone surviving - let alone retiring - out of the military is amazing in my mind given the statistical life expectancy for anyone of that time.

  • @kevendillingham2442
    @kevendillingham2442 Před 11 měsíci +681

    That Roman soldier served 22 years in the Army that’s absolutely crazy to live after being in the front line to that many campaigns is insane

    • @prozergter2
      @prozergter2 Před 11 měsíci +116

      That's what I was thinking too, I bet this dude is grizzled looking with battle scars all over, fucking badass.

    • @shinrapresident7010
      @shinrapresident7010 Před 11 měsíci +119

      Centurions were essentially real life terminators.

    • @dragongrazer7620
      @dragongrazer7620 Před 11 měsíci +106

      There is also that alot of the time were spent in camp or on the march.
      Frontline service were usually done in short but intense periods, with a degree of danger depending on the skill of the commander and what kind of enemies they were facing.
      Diseases during camp life is historically the greatest threat of soldiers lives.

    • @hannibalburgers477
      @hannibalburgers477 Před 11 měsíci +43

      Yea, but wars were not like they were today. People did not fought nonstop for five years.
      The battles were mostly seasonal and just like today soldiers rarely actually fought. Most of them were used to work on building infrastructure and practicing rather than actually fighting. Not to mention harvesting season in Imperial era frontiers and Republic era countryside.

    • @danielboggan2479
      @danielboggan2479 Před 11 měsíci +25

      As long as you don’t break ranks and run you had a very good shot at surviving. The pursuit of the routing and retreating saw the most casualties by far

  • @rikterandersson3568
    @rikterandersson3568 Před 11 měsíci +619

    For me the real impact is when you consider how legions were at times wiped out or defeated. All its history, all these people, soldiers who worked for decades up to coveted positions being cut down due to the arrogance of crassus, the rivarly of the triumvirate, or (most likely) cough up blood and die of disease on a regular march. All giant organizations blur the individual as they become a cog in the machine. However the Roman soldiery was such an extremely longstanding institution, it makes you wonder how a soldier would reflect about their role and the army's role. Like in modern armies it is filled with every sort of person, from jarheads to geniuses. It would be such a curiosity to talk to them.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 Před 11 měsíci

      They wasn't all killed.
      That's a misunderstanding.
      Many survived.
      It is reported that the westerners that lives today in the chinese region of the Xian are descendants of Crassus Legionnaires.
      Those folks was cut out from the rest of the defeated army and the survivors ran to west, to seek help from the local garrisons.
      While these ones had to march toward east and ended up in China where the chinese Emperor firstly tried to eliminate them. After he realized they was too strong to wipe out without using massive forces, the chinese sent them an offer to serve the Emperor and they basically accepted.
      From that moment further they become chinese citizens and integrated themselves in that empire till today.

    • @Diogolindir
      @Diogolindir Před 11 měsíci +18

      It is touching. I also get very impressed on the capability of the empire to raise new legions quickly

    • @taoliu3949
      @taoliu3949 Před 11 měsíci +8

      It's still the same today.

    • @BWeManX
      @BWeManX Před 11 měsíci +17

      I think about that mostly in the world wars. Like just thousands and thousands getting cut down in a single day...on a regular basis.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 Před 11 měsíci +14

      @@BWeManX we're just numbers for the powerful ones, politicians, generals, etc...
      But sure the death of many of us could grant benefits for our nations.
      So its implicit that soldiers dies for the greater good.
      Its wasting their lives that usually is considered untollerable.

  • @LetsSeeYourKungFu
    @LetsSeeYourKungFu Před 11 měsíci +120

    @10:34 when I was in basic, we were trained to keep "eyes in the boat" and "no skylarking". An officer that caught your eyeballs made an example out of you. I noticed this soldier doing the same thing, staring straight ahead in the face of the paymaster.

    • @BlaBla-pf8mf
      @BlaBla-pf8mf Před 11 měsíci +15

      The mannerisms of the actors are of our own era because we don't know how romans acted, even the infamous roman salute is a modern invention.

    • @LetsSeeYourKungFu
      @LetsSeeYourKungFu Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@BlaBla-pf8mf right. That was kind of my point. It was familiar to me but I wasn't sure how it fit in with history

    • @georgezachos7322
      @georgezachos7322 Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​@@BlaBla-pf8mfCan you imagine if this particular behaviour was passed down through time? Granted, it's impossible to prove, but it would be ironic. 😄

    • @noahmoroski1764
      @noahmoroski1764 Před 10 měsíci +1

      No eye contact? That’s really weird, I would never let any of my guys pull that sh$t

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 Před 11 měsíci +119

    The career of Spurius Ligustinus is quite nice. Dude was in some big campaigns in the post-Second Punic War era of the Republic. Iberia was a dangerous place even up into Emperor Augustus' reign. The Macedonians were not slouches, either. Became a Centurion and had been in a victorious army that had the privilege of being in a Triumph.

  • @ricwalker6600
    @ricwalker6600 Před 11 měsíci +111

    The story of Spurius really is an example for the recruitment phrase: "Join the army and you see the world!" I mean, this guy traveled to Spain and Greece several times in his live thanks to joining the army and in ancient times thats an achievement in itself! Most people in ancient and medieval times never left a 100 miles radius of the place they were born in. The only people that seen more of the world were either in the military and government or traveling merchants.
    Also i have the feeling the game "A legionaries life" took his life as an inspiration. In that game you start as a recruit in the spain campaign in the 2nd punic war. if you survive and join the next campaign its the siege of carthage. after that it goes to greece. you can retire between each campaign and, depending of your achievements during the several stages of each campaign, you rise in ranks up to the highest ranks of centurion. or at least i yet have to achieve something higher than that. my guys rarely see the last campaign ^^

    • @alessandronavone6731
      @alessandronavone6731 Před 11 měsíci +11

      Not just Spain and Greece: Antiochus' campaign culminated in the battle of Magnesia, in Asia Minor.

    • @armandoandrade21
      @armandoandrade21 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Played that game a lot. I still have It installed. There is also the possibility of a political career at the epilogue, if you have high charisma and achieved the rank of Primus Centurio after the last campaign

    • @alexsis1778
      @alexsis1778 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Most traveling merchants tended to find a niche and fill it by making a known prosperous route year after year that their family may have filled for generations. Sure they saw more of the world than the average farmer but its not like most were constantly visiting new places.

    • @johndrakos8192
      @johndrakos8192 Před 10 měsíci +5

      I recently returned to the game after a very long break an i had my most successful campaign yet, I won two civic crowns two mural crowns, five gold, two silver and three bronze armilla along with 11 cups. Defeated the Agema chiliarch and almost won the grass crown too but couldn't break my way through the enemies in time. Achieved senatorial rank and served as Aedile.

    • @aLukepop
      @aLukepop Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@johndrakos8192 Same thing but I managed to get the grass crown. Got up to Quaestor and governing Hispania for a year. I got 18 cups. Only one mural crown though. I had maximum virtue and max relations with everyone and I still didn't get Consul lol. I guess you just need more crowns.

  • @orincoon5585
    @orincoon5585 Před 11 měsíci +42

    I've always wondered how pay and promotions went for the Roman military. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Roma Invictus!

  • @fredhercmaricaubang1883
    @fredhercmaricaubang1883 Před 11 měsíci +32

    Forgive me but I always thought that the Praefectus Castrorum was the penultimate rank that Roman soldiers aimed to aspire to. In fact, I was under the assumption that once the Primus Pilus was becoming to old to lead the I Cohort from the front into battle, he would then be made the Camp Prefect or Praefectus Castrorum in recognition of his long & loyal years of service to his Legion before retiring for good from military service. And, as the rank suggests, the Praefectus Castrorum would be in charge of running the everyday affairs of a Legion camp & defending it should it come under enemy attack or, at least, that's how I understood things. Overall though, I LOVE your videos & I NEVER miss a single one! BRAVO! MORE! MORE!

    • @MrJacobkoh
      @MrJacobkoh Před 9 měsíci +9

      Yeah. Usually camp prefect is held by ex primus pilus. And a primus pilus would serve their time during which they would have enough money to join the equestrian class or when they retire, they would also be granted the equestrian class. Thus would be eligible for the camp prefect role. Which makes sense.
      Not sure if retired primus pilus can re-enter the military as for the role of camp prefect, but if the men of a roman colony are required to serve as reserves for 5 years, then I'm sure a freshly retired primus pilus who has gain the equestrian rank can apply for camp prefect.
      I mean if a legion has a camp prefect and a primus pilus who both decided to retire a few months of each other, the primus pilus role can be easily filled by the legion itself but the camp prefect position would be open, somebody would need to fill it.

    • @MrJacobkoh
      @MrJacobkoh Před 9 měsíci +5

      And before anybody asks why would a primus pilus retire and not take the camp prefect role. Don't forget, these are men in their late 40s to 50s, even 60s. Who spent their whole lives as soldiers, some who might have kids or even grandkids and have not seen them in years. They have survived everything and its a good time to retire, with the equestrian status and with a relatively easier job closer to family in administration.

    • @paavobergmann4920
      @paavobergmann4920 Před 6 měsíci

      Yes, but then again, many ex-professional soldiers, after decades of military life, have severe difficulties to re-adapt to civilian life, and return to their profession as contractors, So why would it have been different for ex-legionaries? The Roman Legion was surprisingly modern in its organization. I can imagine re-entering as Praefectus if that is the life you are adapted to.@@MrJacobkoh

  • @johntate6391
    @johntate6391 Před 11 měsíci +5

    I always love it when you post Invicta. I remember when you posted total war battles. I'm so proud of how far you've come in the pursuit of your dreams and passion

  • @Andy_Babb
    @Andy_Babb Před 11 měsíci +2

    Great job again. These videos are so well done. Thanks for the uploads!!

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 Před 8 měsíci

    Another EXCELLENT job!!!

  • @dmitryostrovsky5763
    @dmitryostrovsky5763 Před 11 měsíci +5

    This was absolutely wonderful to see. Many thinks for making this

  • @FifinatorKlon
    @FifinatorKlon Před 9 měsíci +4

    "He was a good judge of bravery. He made me a centurion for my bravery"
    Always good to know you read unbiased historical accounts lel

  • @Alexandru_Pinzaru
    @Alexandru_Pinzaru Před 11 měsíci +3

    Amazing work guys

  • @matts7125
    @matts7125 Před 8 měsíci

    Wow the last part was really cool listening to a soldier recount his military life

  • @rastusbojangles
    @rastusbojangles Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video as usual. These reenactors are bad ass. Such a great addition to the video.

  • @connectedhistory
    @connectedhistory Před 11 měsíci +21

    Thank you for these great videos on Roman history - one of the best channels out there!

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Před 11 měsíci +1

    What a wonderful video! These are always informative but this one was also poignant and even poetic in places.⚔🔥🙌

  • @HD-mp6yy
    @HD-mp6yy Před 11 měsíci +21

    Hear my prediction: In a fifty years leveling up would be a synonym to promotion and advancement and will be used in formal settings.

    • @silverchairsg
      @silverchairsg Před 11 měsíci +3

      I bet it won't even be called levelling up anymore. It'll be shortened to lup or something similar.

    • @aLukepop
      @aLukepop Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@silverchairsg I'd guess it'd end at "leveling" and not get shorter than that.

    • @HD-mp6yy
      @HD-mp6yy Před 10 měsíci

      @@silverchairsg Maybe in slang. But not formal speech

    • @silverchairsg
      @silverchairsg Před 10 měsíci

      @@HD-mp6yy True

  • @freeman3467
    @freeman3467 Před 11 měsíci +1

    So beautifully reconstructed!

  • @kafon6368
    @kafon6368 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Production quality is going through the roof!

  • @primuspilus44
    @primuspilus44 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Really interesting video. Could you do one exploring the evolution of the daily marching camp used by the legions?

  • @jonathanvoigt2690
    @jonathanvoigt2690 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Excellent video as always! Would love to see a similar video talking about how such things occurred in the Mongol empire

  • @bf61marc35
    @bf61marc35 Před 11 měsíci +19

    nice to know that army pay hasn't changed in two thousand years

  • @Damocles129
    @Damocles129 Před 11 měsíci +255

    If i would be a Roman auxilliary soldier, i probably would be a auxilliary spearmen😭

    • @Rain322-
      @Rain322- Před 11 měsíci +55

      You'd be a baller spearman for sure though.

    • @arkadisevyan
      @arkadisevyan Před 11 měsíci +22

      Slinger bro

    • @tannerdenny5430
      @tannerdenny5430 Před 11 měsíci +20

      That ain't a bad gig. Imagine being a product of this time. You'd be stoked for raiding and sacking cities.

    • @theluftwaffle1
      @theluftwaffle1 Před 11 měsíci +19

      If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! Several million years of sharp pokey pokey.

    • @danielefabbro822
      @danielefabbro822 Před 11 měsíci +15

      🤔 thats some hard shit to swallow dude.
      Spearmen was often pushed on the frontline against cavalry.
      Holding a barbarian charge was nothing easy or pleasant.
      I don't envy you.
      And as Italian, I would just join the Legion as Legionnaire and maybe advance until Optiones or even Centurion if Im lucky.
      But nothing more. That's good life. Good paycheck, no respinsabilities, slaughter barbarians, train some fresh recruits, escorting some dignitares or judges, eating a lot of good stuff, drinking a lot of good wine, fuc... ahm, lets jump this part... 😅
      Yeah, I would like the life as Centurion. Its not that hard respect today. Indeed it would be more spartan without the conforts of technology, but at the same time also more healthy (no smog, pollution, plastics) and definitely more interesting.
      Considering that at the time there was no firearms around, only white arms, that would be a great thing. Easier to avoid injuries.
      Oh man... Why I can't return to the times of my ancestors? 😑
      Of course right now my ancestors are probably cursing me, but hey, I'll honor them again tomorrow.
      As we all do every day, for years, from the birth of our civilization.
      Sacred ancestors I honor you.
      Because without you, I am nothing.

  • @Uzair_Of_Babylon465
    @Uzair_Of_Babylon465 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things...

  • @alihanaydemir8111
    @alihanaydemir8111 Před 11 měsíci

    AMAZING VIDEO AS USUAL!!!

  • @barnabaszu
    @barnabaszu Před 11 měsíci

    Fantastic work

  • @buckhammer5897
    @buckhammer5897 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Really enjoyed this one! Maybe do a video on just personal stories from legions?

  • @ralambosontiavina7372
    @ralambosontiavina7372 Před 5 měsíci

    Excellent work!

  • @waynemccormick4773
    @waynemccormick4773 Před 11 měsíci +9

    When I joined in 1984 we still had to report for pay. When I commissioned I sometime served as pay officer and had to collect and issue physical paychecks.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Před 10 měsíci +2

    This is certainly one of the more informative channels on CZcams.

  • @Jesse_Dawg
    @Jesse_Dawg Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing video! Please more like this

  • @mickemike2148
    @mickemike2148 Před 11 měsíci

    Very interesting!
    Thank you!

  • @ronaldp7573
    @ronaldp7573 Před 5 měsíci

    It's wild just how impressive are the videos put out by this channel.

  • @kenc9236
    @kenc9236 Před 11 měsíci

    Awesome channel. Bravo.

  • @Daniel-wt9bh
    @Daniel-wt9bh Před 10 měsíci

    This was amazing!

  • @tomkus333
    @tomkus333 Před 11 měsíci

    Excellent, thanks. Tom

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE Před 11 měsíci +1

    Good video thanks ⚔️

  • @michaelpipp7750
    @michaelpipp7750 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Current US Army marching song:
    “Give you a hundred dollars, and take back 99”

  • @PhobiaJunior
    @PhobiaJunior Před 11 měsíci +2

    I really hope that when I have a young man to raise, I can still use your guy’s documentaries to teach them.

  • @DarkFriday1408
    @DarkFriday1408 Před 11 měsíci +6

    Fantastic video and a really good presentation of the subject!
    It was great to see how the roman army functioned with regards to pay and promotion.
    Out of curiosity, did you come across or do you think it would have been possible for the son of a servant to a patrician family to enlist in the legion and be promoted to Optio after a few years of service and after a few more years at the rank of Optio to be promoted to Centurion?
    And is there any evidence that Centurion's might be promoted to Tribunus Augusticlavius, Praefctus Castrorum and/or Tribunus Laticlavius?
    Or would promotions to these positions only be possible for a Centurion that comes from a well connected family (former centurions or Equestrians)? Or would the positions be exclusively for Equestrians and Patricians?

  • @richardallday7387
    @richardallday7387 Před 3 měsíci

    Well done.

  • @micahbush5397
    @micahbush5397 Před 11 měsíci +8

    Do you have any videos on the military honors of the Roman Army? That could be an interesting topic. (And from what I understand, such honors, like the corona muralis, were a significant factor in the promotion of soldiers to the rank of centurion.)

  • @gatzt3r
    @gatzt3r Před 11 měsíci

    so glad i stumbled on this channel.

  • @santiloquem
    @santiloquem Před 10 měsíci

    Awesome, i think this is my favorite video so far

  • @justinbuckeyefirm5790
    @justinbuckeyefirm5790 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video

  • @pendantblade6361
    @pendantblade6361 Před 11 měsíci

    Absolutely adore historical reenactmenf

  • @davidr1037
    @davidr1037 Před 11 měsíci

    Very cool episode

  • @continentalbreakfast5182
    @continentalbreakfast5182 Před 11 měsíci

    Awesome content

  • @manuelacosta9463
    @manuelacosta9463 Před 11 měsíci +2

    This is a great summation of Rome's army and it's internal system of functions. When I'm done with this video I will take them on a world conquest tour in Rome Total War. Nostalgia.

  • @freshprinz8996
    @freshprinz8996 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Great video as always Invicta!
    At the part where you said that the Legions move with their pay, I hope there are sources about what happened with people who "happened" to get to Roman coins after the Teutoburger Forest or Carrhae battles?
    Is the manuscripts/evidence for legal persecution of people who got their hands on seemingly lost military pay?

  • @bronzymcgrady1159
    @bronzymcgrady1159 Před 5 měsíci +2

    How crazy I started writing a story about a Roman soldier, named Spurius, a spaniard, favored by a Caesar and awarded land in Britannia, now 51 and a veteran...I know it's alil off, I'm not a historian, so it's a work in progress.
    Started writing this several years ago.

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Veterans' pay and death pay must have been insanely high during the civil wars.

    • @MollymaukT
      @MollymaukT Před 4 měsíci

      And it must’ve happened frequently that a whole Conturbernium got KIA

  • @YaBoiFetz
    @YaBoiFetz Před 11 měsíci

    This was epic 👌🏻

  • @chibble3591
    @chibble3591 Před 11 měsíci

    wow what a great documentary

  • @shakewait7612
    @shakewait7612 Před 10 měsíci +1

    This B-roll deserves an A+

  • @anthonyburke5656
    @anthonyburke5656 Před 9 měsíci +1

    What isn’t much appreciated about the Legion is that they were, for the most part, after the reforms of Marius, a professional body that was the “plaything” of the Ruling Class (but at times, played with the Ruling Class).

  • @WesloTheHandsome
    @WesloTheHandsome Před 11 měsíci

    Excellent Presentation❕▪️Cheers🥃

  • @tenebrous8056
    @tenebrous8056 Před 11 měsíci

    Superb.

  • @monegal1
    @monegal1 Před 9 měsíci +1

    A quick correction: one of the tribunes, the laticlavius was from senatorial class, he just served one year

  • @blazejdrazkowski1608
    @blazejdrazkowski1608 Před 11 měsíci

    Great viedeo:)

  • @subbywan1422
    @subbywan1422 Před 10 měsíci

    Great presentation! Though I have to admit, I kept waiting for a reference to Gaul, and Asterix and Obelisk 😂😂

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  Před 11 měsíci +48

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    • @jesselauch
      @jesselauch Před 11 měsíci

      “Prefer a 5 o’clock shadow” -
      Brother, I can’t hear something without visualizing it… so thanks I guess.

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      @DinoPimp Před 11 měsíci

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    Hey oakley, could you make how do you animate the battle maps?

  • @partnermammoth2562
    @partnermammoth2562 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I wish he would make a video explaining all these money terms are they just different names or different amounts too? is sesteri more than drachma or obul or denarii or whatever XD but I love these vidoes also so interesting how structured and organised Rome was yet also so corrupt especially given the time period.

  • @DoonyLoc5050
    @DoonyLoc5050 Před 2 měsíci

    Playing Total Rome Brought Me Here😁☝🏽, I Love Roman History 💯

  • @icemule
    @icemule Před 11 měsíci

    Thank God for this new Narrator.

  • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
    @MaxwellAerialPhotography Před 4 měsíci

    Dude at the end won 6 Civic Crowns. Any man who won a single Civic Crown was considered a man amongst men hero of the ages type person, but 6?!? Thats a god amongst men.

  • @nobody_expects_me
    @nobody_expects_me Před 11 měsíci +59

    I guess even during the game's early development, the grind needed to level up your character didn't improve much since that time.

    • @cpp3221
      @cpp3221 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Fr, at least they nerfed the romans, they were an OP guild

    • @deederdoo
      @deederdoo Před 5 měsíci +1

      It was pay to avance back then as well.

  • @tantohermawan3853
    @tantohermawan3853 Před 9 měsíci

    Can you describe ranks in Roman's army and how many personal each rank hold. Such as centurion hold 80 personel, etc

  • @ericgutierrez1274
    @ericgutierrez1274 Před 6 měsíci

    My favorite part is how the normal soldiers would create a sort of informal bank for their small group kind of as death insurance. Makes sense that those guys would have each others backs in those ways especially since they probably considered each other family

  • @EggnogTheNog
    @EggnogTheNog Před 10 měsíci +2

    Is it my imagination, or is the bird’s eye view of the fort supposed to be Regensburg? The river looks an awful lot like the River Danube at the site of the legionary fortress where the city centre is now.

  • @deathinthedark5451
    @deathinthedark5451 Před měsícem

    What I gathered from that letter is that the promotion of Centaurian didn’t transfer and most likely wasn’t permanent and that the army life couldn’t have been that terrible considering how long he served and how much he volunteered

  • @Shimra8888
    @Shimra8888 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Maybe to a compare and contrast between a Roman legion and a Mongol tumen.

  • @zeugenberg
    @zeugenberg Před 10 měsíci +2

    _actually_ there was an even smaller, inofficial unit within the conterbernium: pairs of soldiers having each others backs. And letters for their respective families.

  • @radored7750
    @radored7750 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Can i ask, did Roman legions had marching songs, because i have heardt that one from Ben Hur, and i would like to know if it is real thing.

  • @Guyfromfakeland
    @Guyfromfakeland Před 10 měsíci

    That man was a beast!!!!

  • @westside5054
    @westside5054 Před 10 měsíci

    Are you able to do one on Shaka Zulu soldier's, like you did for the Roman soldier's.
    I don't know if there's enough information though.

  • @stephanlehner1533
    @stephanlehner1533 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Great doco. Just one thing that piqued my curiosity; do you think they would have let armed and armoured soldiers into the strong room to collect their pay, or do you think they would have had them in their best civvies with no weapons at all?

    • @MrJacobkoh
      @MrJacobkoh Před 7 měsíci +1

      The roman military had a robust administration, this is important.
      You would probably go and get your salary on your off or rest period which is when you're just wearing tunics.
      During campaign season, my guess is that physical payment will be halted and the money be banked with the legion so as to lighten the carrying load of the legionaries. The robust administration will be recording and storing the money, which is what a signifer does when not in combat, he is the accountant for his century.
      And if you're a soldier, if you had all your money with you, there's a chance that you might wanna run away with your savings.
      Another thing to note, if you're the commander, it's better to keep the money in the principia instead of letting the soldiers keep their pay in their barracks, less trouble of thievery and in case the camp/fort gets broken into, the legionnaires wont break and run to their barracks to save their money, instead would be willing to rally to the principia where their savings are stored.

  • @ZeroOmega-vg8nq
    @ZeroOmega-vg8nq Před 11 měsíci

    What is the song its nice and soothing and id like to have it playing while i cook or read

  • @markusmodus
    @markusmodus Před 10 měsíci

    What are the music tracks used throughout the documentary?

  • @dstaff7373
    @dstaff7373 Před 11 měsíci

    Just got home 🏡 from work, rolled My morning blunt thanks for the Video 👍...

  • @zaco-km3su
    @zaco-km3su Před 3 měsíci

    Thing is getting promoted from tirones/recruit to miles/private was easy, you just had to finish the training. They needed privates and each recruit could be a private.
    Promotion from miles/private to immunes/specialist was more difficult. They needed specialists but not as many as privates. Still, it was relatively easy. Now, if you could read....I suspect you had a better chance of being promoted.
    Getting promoted to the rank of cornicen/trumpeter was quite rare. It is worth saying that the cornicen was passing down the orders and blowing the horn. There was one cornicen in the Roman army per "century". In other words only 1 in 80-100 people was a cornicen. They didn't need that many of them. The competition to become one was big. This is probably the highest rank a normal solider could attain.
    Becoming a signifer/standard bearer was difficult and most people couldn't get it. There was one signifer per "century"....in other words only 1 in 80-100 men.Also, the signifer was the tresurer and/or banker of the "century". He needed to read. That's clear. I also wonder if a signifer had to be a cornicen prior or could be or got promoted directly from immunes/specialist.
    The tesserarius was a chief night guard. They made sure that there were no infiltrators by allowing only men that knew the watchword or password to enter the fort or camp. They needed to know how to read. They got the watchword from the unit or fort commander written on a piece or wood or paper. There was 1 per "century". It wasn't easy to become one.
    The optio was the centurion's right hand man. One per century, like the centurion. One in 80 and you needed to know how to read. Also, probably was promoted from rank of the tessarius or signifer.
    The centurion was the leader of the "century". That's it. 1 in 80. Also, needed to know how to read.
    Good thing you've mentioned the effective subranks of the centurion. Becoming the pilus prior of a cohort was quite an achievement. Probably better pay than a normal centurion. Becoming the primus pilus of a legion was definitely a good position to be in and paid well.
    The praefectus castrorum was a former primus pilus. This is as high as it goes. 1 out of 4800 to 6000 men.
    The tribunes were elected from the patricians/aristocrats.
    The legatus was the commander of the legion and was a patrician/aristocrat.

  • @thewastedwanderer5787
    @thewastedwanderer5787 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This is going to be so weird and out of context but you have damn beautiful eyes. I swear to the Gods, it looks like you were blessed with them.

  • @TheSandersh
    @TheSandersh Před 9 měsíci

    Could there be some comparison to modern armies in peace and war time? Peacetime there are long lead times on getting officers into units, set promotion time lines and patronage/class plays a role in getting into prestigious positions still. Whereas when war time pressures come into play promotion from the ranks, less need for patronage/class and more focus on battle field ability than administration or personality (for lower grade officers at least).
    Casualty rates and expanding forces pressure on the army tends to streamline promotion in more modern forces so could it have been the same for the legions?

    • @MrJacobkoh
      @MrJacobkoh Před 7 měsíci

      Would be hard to compare, as there wasn't really a peaceful time during the period of antiquity. Every border that the roman empire touches most definitely has some kind of conflict, could be local uprisings, banditry, border skirmishes, campaigns. Even at its imperial height, it was calculated that there were 400,000 to 500,000 soldiers (33 legions and about 400 plus aux units) there are definitely peaceful areas of the empire where maybe a cohort garrison of auxiliaries policed the area, enforced taxation etc.
      But in the legions, where they would be shifted from place to place to engage in campaigns, it has an attrition rate.
      Dont forget, a legion legate changes every 2-4 years, meaning each new legate is gunning for a stacked new CV before he returns to rome, same for the senior tribune as this will also be a factor if he can command his own legion in the future.

    • @TheSandersh
      @TheSandersh Před 7 měsíci

      @@MrJacobkoh oh I fully agree that it’s a far higher operational tempo than the 21st century but a unit in Hispania or Greece was likely to have far less turn over than the force that invaded Britain for example. Would officers be moved from these rear echelon units to a campaigning unit or more rapid promotion for legionaries in the field. I haven’t heard of sources that definitively say either way and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a pragmatic mix of both.

    • @CubeInspector
      @CubeInspector Před měsícem

      ​@@TheSandersh it depends. Generally you enlisted into a specific legion and that was where you'd serve your career. But a General might have 2 or more legions under his command and would sometimes move centurians around if say legion 1 just did a fresh recruitment drive after a wave if retirements and so maybe half the legion is fresh recruits he may move someone from legion 2 to give some knowledge to fresh recruits.
      But usually you'd want to promote from within the ranks of a legion because the men are going to fight better for someone they know can handle himself and is up to the task.
      If you and I have fought together for 10 years, and you get made a centurian, I know you know what to do. I may not know you by name because you were in a different cohort but I know what our legion has done.
      I may know johnisus smithicus cane from the XIIth legion and know of the legion but they weren't on campaign with me I don't really know enough about him, I may 2nd guess him

  • @optio256
    @optio256 Před 11 měsíci +1

    They have excellent subarmalis. Where did they purchase them? ⚔

  • @mistersandwich0034
    @mistersandwich0034 Před 3 měsíci

    “ so what’s your experience?”
    “I’m an ex-Centurion in Caesar’s legion”
    “ okay you hired”
    - some roman job interview, probably

  • @harrys1848
    @harrys1848 Před 2 měsíci

    What a video.

  • @CyrilleParis
    @CyrilleParis Před 11 měsíci +1

    So well made and so interresting!
    Yuo should add the sources and the link to the reeanctement team you cited.
    I know it's a pain in the arse, but it add so much to the excellent content for everybody.
    PS I love your channel

  • @konstantinriumin2657
    @konstantinriumin2657 Před 11 měsíci +5

    lvl 1 crook vs lvl 100 corrupt ex military governor

  • @kewlness4262
    @kewlness4262 Před 10 měsíci

    A Legionary’s Life is a good game ok Steam walking you through a similar story to Spurious. Let’s you decide what kind of soldier you want to be too, brave or cowardly. One is more likely to see retirement. Very interesting video!

  • @aaronburdon221
    @aaronburdon221 Před 3 měsíci

    That last dude was a monster. I'll bet you anything he had over 50 bodies to his name.

  • @bayjustin3885
    @bayjustin3885 Před 11 měsíci +27

    Fun fact: Over 60% of Roman soldiers survived their 25 year commitment to receive their 10 year pension/land. 😅

    • @bronson4574
      @bronson4574 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Depended a lot on the time period

    • @Merble
      @Merble Před 11 měsíci +4

      I know war could be brutal as hell back then but 40% is still a ridiculous casualty rate. D-day was like 10%. WW1 was over 60% counting wounded but that makes more sense considering the tech vs tactics and disease.

    • @scrubsrc4084
      @scrubsrc4084 Před 11 měsíci +8

      ​@@Merblethay 40% includes day to day accident and illness.

    • @cynwraeth1943
      @cynwraeth1943 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Merble Also keep in mind life expectancy 2000 years ago. Even if you didn't get stabbed in the neck it was uncommon for smallfolk to reach retirement age.

    • @Merble
      @Merble Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@cynwraeth1943 Possibly but I've heard that was largely a misnomer. 50-60 was a reasonable expectation, not the 'everyone died in their 30s' I grew up hearing.

  • @golden_smaug
    @golden_smaug Před 11 měsíci

    I would sort of try being a forager or auxiliary so I don't get the battle danger itself and can serve 25 years to get my plot of land in Italy near Cannae 🥰

  • @joshuaayala9181
    @joshuaayala9181 Před 10 měsíci

    Lmao. When I read that word Immunes and saw the translation as Specialist hah! The E-4 Mafia existed even during Roman times hahahahaha (especially when you consider the perks are almost similar to the Legion and to the US Army).

  • @LoneWanderer727
    @LoneWanderer727 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I'm a simple man. I see a video about Rome, I drop a like. I see a video about the Roman military, I like AND subscribe. I see a video about Roman legions, I like, subscribe and share with my friends!

  • @enlilofnippur8409
    @enlilofnippur8409 Před 11 měsíci +1

    15:51 I must be confused - I thought that even just theoretically, the highest rank obtainable by a plebeian was centurion. Is there any (even one) known legatus or tribunus who began as a common soldier? Or who wasn’t of the patrician class?

    • @MrJacobkoh
      @MrJacobkoh Před 7 měsíci

      There was a few but that was like 200ad++, to name a few aurelian, dioclecian who rose from soldiers to emperors. They were not from the patrician or senatorial class, based on their family status, they would have been pretty low born and would have joined as regular soldiers but as with all things ancient, we really dont know much about it. But do understand that for rules and tradition to be brushed aside, it must have been a hectic and rough period for rome.

    • @MrJacobkoh
      @MrJacobkoh Před 7 měsíci +1

      The highest rank attainable for a pleb was actually the Praefectus castrorum, which requires the social class of equestrian. It's possible as due to Augustus, Roman citizens of any social level could become equestrians, as long as they were of good reputation, in good health and owned at least 400,000 sesterces.
      For example, a competent legionary who became well established, did his time, got promoted to a centurion, then a primus prior/primus ordini, then primus pilus with plenty of campaigns under his belt, meaning loot as well as proper investment of his money like buying a vineyard or during a local revolt, managed to get property for the cheap.
      As long as he gets 400k he is promoted to the social class of equestrian and is eligible to attain the rank of Praefectus castrorum.
      Another note, some sources have noted that primus pilus who were not able to have 400k, were promoted to equestrian class after retirement.
      And it's not farfetch to say, after you retired from the legions you can re-enlist as a auxiliary cohort commander. If you're in good health, stronger even at the late 40s to 50s. I mean even retired legionaries and centurions who chose to retire on a military colony were required to serve on the reserves for 5 years.

  • @thejbomb65
    @thejbomb65 Před 11 měsíci

    A minor quibble, but I didn’t notice any mention how Marcus Aurelius doubled the donativ on his accession

  • @TheManCaveYTChannel
    @TheManCaveYTChannel Před 11 měsíci +1

    It what ways was it different after 476 AD?