6: The Republic of Venice and the Fourth Crusade
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- In this episode, we discuss the first dominion of the Byzantine Empire: The Republic of Venice, from its inception, the decline of Byzantium following the deposition of Andronikos I, the sack of Constantinople during the fourth Crusade, and the Empire's dismemberment by the Venetians and the Crusaders.
With:
Columba: / columba_1
Marcus Pertinax: / furiuspertinax
If there is a collapse, we need to get AM to a safe house ASAP.
Like one of those Irish monks after the fall of the WRE?
Lol!!!
@@ingold1470 I think that’s exactly what he means
This channel is golden. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. God bless you fellows.
Will mention that the 'Kingdom of the Greeks' was how the Holy Roman Emperors, as well as others in the West, referred to the Byzantine Empire, with the 'Kingdom of the Germans' being how the Greeks referred to them. This for certain appears in the communications between Frederick Barbarossa and the Greek Emperor during the 3rd Crusade. 'Byzantine Empire' was an early modern invention, but it was not consistently referred to as Roman or Imperial by the West before this. I assume these things would variously change depending on relations between states and peoples at different times.
Incredible stream, worth a rewatch.
Listening to that description of the sack was painful.
It's a shame the venetians and the others involved in the crusade didn't realize a weak eastern Rome would only fuel the islamic threat to the east.
I wonder if they were so arrogant that they believed that Eastern Rome would be stronger under their rule.
another top notch stream, cant wait for the anatomy of Austria series, Bohemia will be very interesting.
Truly a amazing stream
"The Western Europeans had long felt a jealous dislike for the Greeks; and the refusal of the Greek Church to abandon all its traditions and submit to the authority of the Roman pontificate added to their dislike. The Greeks were schismatics and not to be trusted." - Sir Steven Runciman, "Greece and the later crusades*
Im really loving these stream discussions. So fascinating. I know im a year late, but thank you for such an in depth and informative discussion
A excellent stream from AM and his guests, as always.
I just love the Republic of Venice. There is a movement to revive it. I did not listen to this stream yet
"The Latin soldiery subjected the greatest city in Europe to an indescribable sack. For three days they murdered, raped, looted and destroyed on a scale which even the ancient Vandals and Goths would have found unbelievable. Constantinople had become a veritable museum of ancient and Byzantine art, an emporium of such incredible wealth that the Latins were astounded at the riches they found. Though the Venetians had an appreciation for the art which they discovered (they were themselves semi-Byzantines) and saved much of it, the French and others destroyed indiscriminately, halting to refresh themselves with wine, violation of nuns, and murder of Orthodox clerics. The Crusaders vented their hatred for the Greeks most spectacularly in the desecration of the greatest Church in Christendom. They smashed the silver iconostasis, the icons and the holy books of Hagia Sophia, and seated upon the patriarchal throne a whore who sang coarse songs as they drank wine from the Church's holy vessels. The estrangement of East and West, which had proceeded over the centuries, culminated in the horrible massacre that accompanied the conquest of Constantinople. The Greeks were convinced that even the Turks, had they taken the city, would not have been as cruel as the Latin Christians. The defeat of Byzantium, already in a state of decline, accelerated political degeneration so that the Byzantines eventually became an easy prey to the Turks. The Fourth Crusade and the crusading movement generally thus resulted, ultimately, in the victory of Islam, a result which was of course the exact opposite of its original intention." - Speros Vryonis, "Byzantium and Europe"
By far the best history channel on CZcams. God bless you, gents!
Great stuff! Wish you had a podcast.
Habsburgs built the first bridge to Venice, not Il Duce.
Can’t get used to «Doge» being a title.
Wanted to comment the same thing.
I love this series. It's very rare to find history shows that dare to alienate all but the most elementary students by taking a deep dive to the lesser known,
and far more complex, details. Columba can irritate me by his poorly timed interruptions - and I often wonder if he's asking basic questions for the benefit of lesser informed listeners.
CATHERINE HANLEY is my latest heroine. Her books are so much better than the likes of Dan Jones and she deserves far more recognition.
"There never was a greater crime against humanity than the Fourth Crusade" - Sir Steven Runciman
You will find that the Mongol invasions in the 13th century especially the destruction of Baghdad were a lot worse!
@@kaloarepo288 Sir Steven Runciman was considered the scholarly authority in the history of the middle ages and especially in the history of the crusades and for many the greatest medieval historian of the 20th century. He made the above statement not really considering the numbers of the dead, the rapes, or the destructions of buildings, but for 2 totally different reasons. Firstly because of the huge omount of ancient art and literature that was stolen or destroyed by the western europeans (Constantinople was practically an open air museam until then) and secondly because he considered the sack of Constantinople as the main reason of the slow but steady colapse of the byzantine empire which lead to the islammization and turkification of Asia Minor. So basicaly he blamed the western europeans for destroying the descendants of the ancient Greeks and Romans who were the very basis of european civilization and thus allowing to the non european culturally, religiously and linguiistacally Turks to take over the control of Asia Minor...
@@vangelisskia214 Would you believe it but as a young student of history at an Australian university I attended a lecture by Steven Runciman on Byzantium - he was visiting Australia at the time. I still remember some of the details of the lecture. A couple of years ago I looked him up on Wikipedia to find out if he was still alive and found out that he had died but not that long ago -he lived to quite a long age! I do realize that the crusader conquest of Constantinople was very important and an own goal for the Christian world but if things had gone differently it could also have been a successful pushback if the Latin empire had been strong enough. I think that the fate of Byzantium had been sealed long before with the battle of Manzikert with the Seljuks. This led to the loss of virtually all of Anatolia and this was permanent except for narrow coastal strips.Byzantium after that was a virtual dead man walking with the occasional dead cat bounce if you excuse the mixed metaphors.
The ancient Veneti called themselves "Venetkens."
Do the northern crusades against pagan Lithuania
Doing it in two weeks
What is interesting is that city of Constantinople had population of 500.000 and yet only 15.000 defenders. If they had organized militias and conscription they would have stood much better chance. If they took only 10% of men it would be 25.000 additional troops to defend the walls. They would have outnumbered crusaders 2:1.
Objective of the fourth crusade: retake Jerusalem.
End result: crusaders take over Constantinople.
STELLAR.
Fourth Crusade was the greatest sin ever committed, I think
The upper class Romans spoke Greek, when did this die out in Italy?
Or did it remain popular amiongsy the upper class Italians?
Great tho... Veneto not Venezio.
I suppose this misunderstanding came from the fact in english the area is sometime called Venetia, like in latin and the fact that in medieval latin sometimes t is pronounced z / ts
The Trojan legacy legends get poo pooed, but do not these enclaves of Roman and Romanized peoples that carry on like Venice and else where show us a model of what the Trojan refugess could have done?
The Trojan legacy legends are poopoo'd because the historian who found Troy used dynamite on the first few layers of archelogy, he happened to destroy the layers of the city that would've existed at that time, so we know very little of the actual historical Trojans. The idea of the Trojans being a progenitor culture like the Greeks is highly unlikely outside the Mediterranean even there the Phoenician's and Greeks left a far greater legacy.
Albeit maybe the Etruscan's who so heavily influenced Italy were just Trojan refugee's, it would make a lot of sense given their distinctive culture.
im sorry but these three hosts have zero business being on the same stream/ lecture together. theyre attempting two completely different forms/ styles and the two are anathema to one another. one is attempting a fairly regular, if not annoyingly constant dialogue and exchange, and the other is not without cringe-level frustration, attempting a detailed monologue/ lecture style. i prefer the latter myself, and could do without the continuous and more often than not futile attempts at comedy, but im sure each style will have its own crowd. together its not going to work
This didn't age well
lmao
@@lacobunis971 I doubt it