Honest Review of Cerax 320 & 1000 Whet Stones
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- In this video, I sharpen a few kitchen knives and two brand new Cerax synthetic stones. They turned out to be partial soaking stones, requiring about 5-10mins before use. In short, they are very fast cutting stones and enjoyable to use. While I do think they are worth the money, I still prefer the ash apron Glass stones over any others I have used to date.
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Those stones look pretty good Kevin, I stopped using water stones a while back due to the hassle and have a set of diamond bench stones set into a wooden holder so that I can reach over easily and use them and so resist the temptation to put off sharpening! But the positive feedback from water stones is always a joy.
I’ve moved to splash and go for similar reasons. I have diamond stones and use them sometimes, but they wear down so quickly. Like after the first sharpening sessions a 320 is a 500. Even DMT flattening stone lost its grit after only two stones. If they held their grit, I wouldn’t use anything else. Really enjoyed you’re last vid btw.
I am the 1000th subscriber, congrats for reaching 1k subs, great video by the way, love the soothing background music
Thank you! I want to make videos I’d want to watch, and I hope that builds a community of interesting people. So far it’s worked. Welcome aboard, seriously glad to have you.
That first stone is huge! I may have to give the Sharpton stones a try. You speak so highly of them.
Yeah, literally referred to as the brick. Not necessary. Shapton Glass require no soaking, just a splash of water, very little mess to deal with, and they’re wider than most stones.
I just picked up the Shapton Ha No Kuromako D-Set (#320, #1000, #5000) aka Shapton Pro to start my hand sharpening journey. I have not been happy with the carbide and home knife sharpeners as the sharpness barely lasts through 2 cooking sessions. The new edges on my JA Henkles Classics would last for months with honing in between cooking sessions. I am hoping to get back to that level of sharpness/longevity by really sharpening properly.
I was able to purchase the three stones for 133 bucks which I think is a great value for splash and go stones. Like Kevin I do not want to wait for a stone to soak for 10-45 minutes prior to sharpening. Can't wait to have a sharp chefs knife again!
@@ShaneTheGeek shapton ceramic is pretty dead to me (the sharpening feeling), chosera feels like a soaking stone but is splash and go, the issue is price, otherwise i will say go with cerax, the feeling is comparable to chosera
@@MasterofPlay7 Makes sense thank you for the recommend.
@@MasterofPlay7 the Cerax 1000 is probably one of the best 1000 grit stones. It’s so smooth to sharpen on, and wears fairly slowly. Now the 320….that thing gets scored if you look at it wrong, but if you’re careful with the tip, it won’t mess up the stone too bad. I just release pressure when I get towards the tip of the blade and it won’t gouge as easily. But it still wears pretty dang fast.
whoa ...that squeak on the paring knife was like my worse memories of nails on a chalkboard haha. very interesting process, and learned a bunch. based on your overall assessment, i think i would lean towards the splash & go stones you mentioned as they seem like they would be a bit more manageable, and offer an overall faster option. thanks very much Kevin for another excellent vid, much appreciated !
Shapton Glass are the best stones I’ve used so far.
I didn’t realize you did ASMR🥱. Well, unintentional ASMR, that was relaxing👍🏻
Lol glad it was. Thanks for watching, brother.
@@KevinsDisobedience ASMR might be your calling buddy🤣 you can pretty much do it all👍🏻 love the channel.
Mr. Kevin, while I am a bottom feeder on the subject, my compliments to your production here today.
Thanks for watching and noting the work I put in. What do you mean by bottom feeder? That you’re not that knowledgeable on the subject, or that you just take what comes you’re way when it comes to sharpening tools?
@@KevinsDisobedience Fine Japanese water stones Sir. Top shelf expensive ones. Lots of general sharpening experience just not at this level. I have also looked at trueing waterstones with ceramics. A very interesting topic.
101 subs to go. I'm sending a "friend".
Thanks, I count on guys like you. Appreciate it.
Super chilled out vid
Thanks, I was shooting for a calm undertone to combat the anxious, chaotic feeling everything in the news seems to have at the moment.
@@KevinsDisobedience appreciated. NSW is is full lockdown again, so I've spent the last week painting the house. Funny, I've decided painting is kind of a Zen thing, like sharpening you just get in the zone
Sorry to hear you guys are in lockdown again, but glad you’re getting a chance to paint the house. It can definitely be zen. Helps when it’s not 100 degrees on a 40’ ladder with a respirator on and over spray in your eyes lol. Enjoy your down time and stay safe and sane.
@@KevinsDisobedience cheers mate. Nice change of pace just puttering around, put together a "Kevech" style Tassie today, a 4.5 Hytest on a 26.5 handle. Might try to break it in tomorrow, but so far it's a beast!
@@KevinsDisobedience 900!
Is the 320 enough to only sharpening the knife?
Where’d you get that black stand that collects the slurry/water?
Hey, welcome. Haven’t seen the name before. Anyway, I bought it from Burrfection. He’s on CZcams. Not sure if he’s still making or selling them, but if you search sharpening ponds you might find some other options. Shapton makes one, but it is stupid expensive. Hope you’ll sub and stick around. In any case, have a good week.
All the issues you mentioned regarding the scoring, flattening, slurry, etc. is why I've stuck with Arkansas stones.
I keep them flooded with mineral oil and wipe them off when done with the session. By carefully using the whole stone I haven't had to flatten them... and some are about 35 years old! For reshaping an edge I use my slow speed grinder or water grinder depending on what kind of tool I'm sharpening (knife, plane iron, scissors, pruning shears, chises, gouges, skews, etc.) and then finish on the Arkansas stones.
Use what works for you. You don’t have any of these issues with the Shapton Series. No soaking, no slurry, no oil, no mess. I’ve used oil stones before, but never true Arkansas stones. Ill have to try them out.
@@KevinsDisobedience Yeah... basically they all work. I'm of the school of "invest in one method and learn how to use it." Keeping it simple helps too as storing all the stuff becomes a problem over the years! Just say no to gizmos! LOL
I more or less agree. The gizmos are tempting at times, but I think you’re better off without them in the long run.
Arkansas stones don’t touch even halfway modern steel. They do work great on 1094, 80crv2, a2 etc. the basic steels. Any steel with vanadium or cobalt in it, and they slooooooow down to where it’s basically just burnishing the edge and the stone gets real slick
Nice video, thanx! How do you think is Naniwa #8000 traditional stone good superfinish variant after King #1200 and suahero new cerax #3000?
The hishest stone I have is 6000, and I don’t use it that much. Both Cerax and King make great stones.
Hi Kevin, haven't used those stones they looking interesting. Haven't sharpened my kitchen knives for about 3 months so used the shapton glass 320 and finish on the chosera 800. 1 of the knives I went further and finished on the 3000. The sg 320 is a fantastic stone and sets up for a quick finish on the 800. You ever use the 320, if you have be interesting to hear your thoughts about it thanks
I have the whole set of shooting up to 3000. They’re my go to stones. I think they’re the best stones for your average homeowner that doesn’t have the time to let stones soak before sharpening. That said, I really like the Cerax 1000, but I wouldn’t recommend the 320, and if you do get it don’t bother with the brick. Thanks for watching. Hope to see you in the comments again.
I have used soaking stones in the past but much prefer the splash and go ones. The shapton stones are great alright.
Would you say the shapton glass cuts as fast as the cerax 320?
I have a shapton 250. They’re about the same, sure.
If you're more interested in splash and go then check out suehiro Debado line. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised! My favorites by far even over the Shapton glass.
Thanks, I will. They look sweet! Thanks for watching. Hope you stick around.
I've got the Suehiro Cerax 401-#320 1010-#1000 & Suehiro#5000 not from the Cerax range. All good stones but good stones are only part of what it takes to master great sharp knives.
Definitely good stones. But as I say in the linked video in the description, if you can’t sharpen with a $20 budget stone a $100 Japanese whet stone isn’t going to help. How do you like the 5000?
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@@KevinsDisobedience I find I don't use it too much, if I really need to rework the secondary bevels obviously you want to remove stock fast so coarse stones work best but you can really get a sharp edge from 1000-grit if finished properly. This idea you need 5000-10000grit stones to get a knife really sharp is BS. I'll sometimes use my 5000 after the 1000 just with some finishing strokes but what I really want is a 3000.
@@KevinsDisobedience Many blame the stones and say they can't sharpen due to the stone. 99.9% of the time they just have poor technique and don't know what their doing.
I prefer the shapton pro line. Still a great splash and go, but more affordable than the glass line.
Yeah, I imagine they’re great too! Love the glass stones though. I’ll have them for the rest of my life. Gotta love Shapton!
idk. Shapton glass aren't expensive to purchase either. The difference is you get 5mm of stone vs 15mm or 20-25mm+ with other similar stones on the market. For most home users I honestly think shapton glass is the one to suggest. They are excellent splash and go stones. And like I said the price the purchase them is not any more than shapton pro, the difference is 5mm vs 15 mm abrasive tho. If you look at it that way, yes they are quite expensive. Still worthwhile imo. If you are really into sharpening tho, once you try everything you will discover theres a real reason why so many talk so highly of naniwa chosera stones. They are not without their own issues or compromises but yes they are really lovely prized stones.
Who disliked? And why?
Great video!
Who knows. I’ve got a couple haters that watch every video I make. That’s how much they “hate” me. It helps, so let them click the buttons. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@KevinsDisobedience What a great use of time 😅
Whatcha going to do lol
You really need to use Japanese whetstones for a while to get used to them IME before casting to much judgement. We all like what we are 'used too'. Suehiro make great sharpening products. Once you know what a knife needs and learn to read the edge properly, understanding the point of both primary and secondary bevels combined with the right techniques and muscle memory to achieve what you want. Then one can sharpen off a brick, riverstone, tile even toilet... hell just about anything.
Agreed. I’ve been sharpening for awhile now (and own abut 30 different stones), and a year ago I sharpened a knife on a 10” block just to see what was possible. I saw Burrfection do it and didn’t believe it was possible. It is, but it takes a awhile. It’s more about technique than tool. Thanks for watching.
I am legit surprised you started with the 320 😳 Was the edge of you knife really that badly damaged? 😢
My work knifes, yes. Kitchen, no. Just much easier and quicker to apex a knife on rough stones. The. Move up the grit if necessary. I rarely go above 1000. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I am still using my grandfathers stones.. Dont know the exact grit of any, but they are the ones i learned to sharpen on.
Can take a butterknife and turn it into hair popping sharp and near full mirror polish in an hour or so with them
Wont change until/if they wear completely out
No reason to. Are they water stones or oil stones?
@@KevinsDisobedience I have a very course, i would guess grit 300 that an oil stone, a grit 1000ish soaking stone and one around 2000-4000 soaking stone and a +8000 natural stone, rhat I use ad splash and go. I have a few other stones, but they are more for diffrent kinds of planes and such.
Edit: i think the first 3 all are supposed to be used with oil, but I only do so for the course stone
Great video Kev! Sharpening porn? Don’t mind if I do! 😂 I agree with everything you said. I wish the cerax were permanent soaking stones and the 320 was less soft if I’m being honest. I feel the exact opposite about my debado stones. They’re far too hard past 1000 grit.
Yeah the 320 was a touch too soft, but with a scrub in between knifes it cleaned right up-just a bit messy is all. What’s your favorite 1000?
@@KevinsDisobedience I actually don’t own a 1k believe it or not. My favorite in that range is my chosera 800. The other stone I have in that range is my debado 1500 and I don’t care for how hard it is. It’s silky but it glazes/loads far too easily. I believe I would really enjoy other 1k stones given the chance to try them. At this point in my sharpening journey I like having my splash and go stones around for edge work but I will likely invest in some soaking stones for thinning/kasumi work. I’m told the king deluxe series is one of the greats for that sort of work. The gesshin resinoid based soaking stones are apparently the cream of the crop in that regard. Can’t remember the name of the line though. In the future I’m probably going to sell most of my splash and go stones for ones I just mentioned.
Would these stones work on axes? Asking for a friend
Nah, not really. I’m you could make them work, but you’re much better with something smaller you can hold in your hand. I don’t think it makes much sense to take the axe to the stone. You want to take the stone to the axe. Someday I’m going to do a review on all the axe pucks and stones I own, which is most of the ones on the market. Thanks for always watching and participating in the dialogue.
@@KevinsDisobedience I look forward to the axe puck video as I don't own one and have always struggled with sharpening. I was thinking maybe a puck was the missing link.
I would actually recommend a small rectangular shaped stone for axes. Oxhead makes one but it’s super soft on the fine side and dishes very easily. Pucks are small and your hand is always close to the blade. I’ll do the review in the fall just for you, as that’s when I’ll be chopping again. Remind me come October if I haven’t done it yet. Thanks.
@@KevinsDisobedience
essential items for puck sharpening
axe - puck - water - insulating tape - medical lint and pennies for the swear box ;
Looks good but likely not something I need.
No worries, mate. Im not a salesman, and they wouldn’t pay me if I asked lol.
Before you buy any Shapton stone, look under a microscope at the deep scratches Shapton stones make on the knife edge compared to the scratch patterns other stones make. Without a look at the knife edge under magnification, you really have NO IDEA what a stone is doing to your knife edge. It will open your eyes.
Thanks, I’m not sure what grit you’re talking about, but if it cuts as well as anything else do you really care? Maybe you do. I DON’T. See how I used all caps there lol.
Chosera are the best splash and go. The Shapton glass are ok. The Cerax 1000 was way too soft.
I’ll have to try the chosera. I agree about the cerax being too soft.
@@KevinsDisobedience you can get the Chosera on sale at Amazon they have deals on them from time to time. Start with the 400 and the 1000 or 800. The 3000 is like glass.
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Damn bro, you beat me there! I just hit upload and went over to make sure all was well. Thanks as always for the support.
@@KevinsDisobedience haha! I'm watching now. I'll make a real comment after I watch. At least you know CZcams sends out notifications
Nice insight to them stones Kevin the only wet stones i have are from ice bear and do what i need them to do i was going to get some naniwa stones until i seen the prices on the three i wanted and gave them a body swerve i just couldn't justify buying them for the occasional sharpening session 😂
I like to comment as I watch as well. Sometimes it means two or three comments to like or respond to, but for small channels it’s more engagement for them. Thanks again.
I have Ice Bear stone too. I’d suggest the 500/1000 combo. You really don’t need anything more, and it’s like $20. They’re good stones, too. Do keep in mind that while $50-100 may seem like a lot to spend on a sharpening stone, you’ll be able to use it you’re entire life and still be able to pass it on to your kids in perfectly serviceable condition. I’ve never seen someone wear one of these out. You’d have to be in the business of hand sharpening knives for a living to even come close to it. Thanks for commenting.
Hey man. I hate youtube shit, but your video was compelling. I'd suggest checking out the 700 cerax. The entire cerax line are all very aggressive cutting sharpeners, so even up to the 6k can easily sharpen a dull knife and cuts very well. That 6k leaves a finish more like a 2k shapton or naniwa but cuts much faster. Anyhow, that 320 is a serious serious grinding stone. Personally, I won't tolerate anything but the best splash and go stuff for a course stone. I know the cerax stones cut like butter but still. The 320 SP is pretty good. The 400 chosera is the one to get in my book. Anything more than that and you're kinda in different territory (sigma 240). Anyway what I really wanted to say is the 700 cerax is an absolute gem. The 1k cerax already cuts like a monster but the 700 is a cool one. 700 and the 6k is an excellent two stone setup for Cerax stone that covers your bases pretty well. That 700 can absolutely do some serious grinding if you push it and like I said that 6k is more like a faster cutting shapton 2k. If you've never tried them the feel and feedback on those higher grit rated cerax is supreme imo as well. I have way too many stones and knives and the 6k cerax is one of the stand out favorites for sure. Anyway, I'd consider this (700 + 6k) the cerax equivalent to the very common and popular 320 and 2k shapton pro setup. 400 and 1k chosera is another legendary two stone combo. Shapton glass is great as well. Honestly that's the one I'd probably suggest to the vast majority of casual home users. 500+2k and you're set. Just for reference, the 1k-4k are sharpening stones in shapton glass line. 6k and up are the polishers. In the pro it's 1k-2k which are sharpeners. The 5k and up are the finishers. If you're after a finishing/polishing stone, I'd suggest a Naniwa Super Stone most of the time anyway. No soaking stone is going to give the kind of high end polish tho, that's why the highest grit soaking stones on the market are all effectively splash and go anyway.
I appreciate the time you took to respond to this video. I’be been thinking about stopping making videos for CZcams because, as you said, it can be so stupid, but community and comments like yours make it worth it on videos like this that get some traction. My go to stones are the Shapton Glass from 120-6k. They’re just hard to beat considering there’s no soaking and they cut fast! For work knives, I almost never go past 1k, and often not more than 500. But kitchen knives I’ll take to 2k (green brick of joy!), or further in the shaptons. Thanks for commenting, man.