Why People Are Wrong About the Canon EOS R
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2018
- The Canon EOS R has no IBIS, no full frame 4K (crop) so is it worth it for video? Or is this camera a complete fail? Should you just buy a Sony or Panasonic? Lets talk about the facts and bring some fresh perspective to this new camera from Canon.
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Just a heads up, either the camera or my sigma 18-35 wasn’t keeping focus on my face. Seemed to favor my shirt 😂 I’ll see which failed me.
I know that Matti seems to have problems with his C300 AF sometimes and he uses the 18-35mm on that.
[APPARENTLY SOLVED : LOOK AT BOTTOM] We had many discussion about the issue between sigma 18-35 f/1.8 and Dual Pixel Autofocus on the 80D. I am affraid this lens dont handle Dual Pixel AF very well. You should have a look here : www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57711593
And I thought, that Canon's video is too soft.
Which has failed is the question. DP AF or Sigma's Lens AF accuracy. Hmmm...
You forgot to mention 1 card slot, but I guess its because you are not into photography.
PS: Is there a camera, that records video to 2 memory cards at the same time?
+pogolas a guy on the forum I quoted above made interesting expermiments suggesting that DPAF oparated too quick for the sigma lens mechanic (which was released before DPAF). I don't remember the details, but it leads to a constant back/front focus.
I believe its the SIGMA 18-35MM F1.8, I have one too, and yeah if we use the combo that is CANON DUAL PIXEL AF + SIGMA HSM SYSTEM its not as perfect as we use CANON DUAL PIXEL AF + CANON STM LENS SYSTEM IF YOU USE THE FACE TRACKING MODE, BUT I SOLVE THAT PROBLEM FOR STILL RECORDING WITH MANUAL SETTING, JUST FOCUS FIRST AT YOUR RANGE AND FACE then just START RECORDING haha. OH and It's happen also with my SIGMA 17-50mm f2.8 THE ACCURACY OF FOCUSING, BUT TO BE HONEST DAMN SIGMA LENS IS JUST SO SHARP AND THAT F1,8 JUST ARGH, NO OTHER BRAND LENS HAVE THAT WIDE LENS AT F1.8 lens YET, correct me if I'm wrong guys!
Sir brother but as a Canon user for almost 6 years I was expecting Canon to go all out with this mirrorless camera because they kept it secret for a long time but they really fail for me in my opinion(please don't hate me).
In the photographic aspect this camera is a beast yet in the video or film making aspect they lack so many things! 4k is crop, come on. No IBIS, come on. 1080p stock at 60p, f*king come on. Canon is basically doesn't really care at there costumers. Regarding the legacy lineups(Mirrorless, Dslr, C Line) for me it depends on the people's budget and actually c line is still lacking features that is on par with panasonic and Sony. It's just frustrating because I believe Canon can make a processor capable of 4k full frame shooting but they are too lazy to develop it. To be honest I'm ok without IBIS because I use Gimbals and tripods if only they've given us 4k full frame with out crop and 1080p 120fps. Canon Eos R might be a competitor for Gh4 and not with the GH5, Nikon Z6, and Sony A7iii. I hope one day Canon realize how the market works and seriously using the word revolution is not suited with EOS R.
Earl Marasigan now what?
In photo mode this camera shoots a max burst rate in c-raw with AF of 2.2 shots per second. That’s not real “beastly” that’s actually taking a long trip down memory lane and ending up in the 1960’s with film cameras. I don’t know why Canon felt they had to handicap this camera beyond the point of all reason. If I wanted to shoot video on a 1.8X crop, I’d spend $1,300 on the VASTLY better Blackmagic Pocket 4K.
Tavaris Hamilton Uhh, now it’s probably time you learned how to speak English, so you can use words like a big boy to express ideas. 👍
You didnt mention some big factors in the comparision of the GH5s vs the EOS R which is 4K/60, 1080/120, and dual card slots... just saying... advantage = GH5s
Jay Woodrum now what?
Tavaris Hamilton you can say that again when Sony and Panny announces theirs new camera. Lol
Plus cheaper lenses
"now what" what?
Jay Woodrum the gh5 has bad af though compared to canon
No 120fps at 1080 is hard pill to swallow. 4K crop doesn't affect me too much as I don't have the storage for 4K and the no IBIS is also a little annoying.
When will we get that perfect camera already??????
You said something, that no body cared to think it, or where to busy with gears. This is about Canon not their users. It explain WHY Canon holds back compare to the competition. Canon doesn't care about the need or wants of their client, they only care about their bottom line.
That's every company ever man.
Which is what every company (especially the public ones, with shareholders) must do. I would be the first one to run away from any business entity that doesn't care about their bottom line. The problem with Canon is that protecting their other product lines like that - by constantly releasing artificially dumbed down products, is going to hurt their bottom line in the long term
@@dmitrylee01 Agree! They are keeping the masses from grabbing these new toys. Not everyone is a cine shooter, I believe there are more average consumers for Volume vs a niche.
Juan Lopez yup someone who’s going to pay above $2300 for not really for pro camera.
i’m considering adding it to my arsenal of tons of Canon L glass... for the aforementioned dual pixel autofocus and 480 bit rate +clog...
You said it: Canon did a camera for Canon. Sony, Fuji and Panasonic make cameras for the user, for the most part.
And that's why users should get Sony, Fuji and Panasonic cameras and Canon should keep their crippled cameras and shove 'em up their a*s.
I agree with you, but there is nothing more frustrating than getting shitty AF performance with native sony glass on my A7s2, on the rare occasion one needs AF to really take over... :/
@@BrotherBloat they say that a7 MK 3 has an amazing af, maybe you should rent it to get an idea of what you can expect in a7s3
@@novakkosanovic compared to a7s2, the a7r2 and a7m2 also had amazing af, so might not be a direct comparison, we'll see :)
You are naive if you think so. in the world there is no company or corporation that would do something for people. All of them make their products only in order to earn more money. As soon as Sony realizes that they have no competitors left, they will start making the same shitty cameras as Canon
Question... That Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 you're using is one of my favorite lenses on my backup camera, the 80D. Does this lens function correctly on the EOS R in 1080p without that 1.7 crop? Or it still has the same issue as if you put it on a full frame DSLR? I assume the latter but I'm hopeful that somehow that lens works...
Just for this once I think you are wrong, the GH5S seems to win over most areas against the canon R, 10bit internal 4k60P, 10bit external, vloggers are not going to buy both cameras, it's mainly for people who like to be behind the camera, like me, I am a cinematographer. Canon should have given this
S35 Sensor
4K30P(422 10bit Internal)
4K60P(420 8bit Internal/422 10bit External) (Small Crop)
2K120P 8bit Internal
Dual SD
I am looking to buy an entire setup now to do wedding films, it feels great as a consumer now, good tech has become so much more affordable, 4 years back I was shooting TVC's with Alexa classic 2K prores and look at where we are now, with cameras like the Fuji XT3/Sony A7III and 2 exciting cameras coming this year A7SIII and another Panasonic, its just incredible that you have so many great options, comparing all this canon definitely feels like its lagging. EOS Cinema Line should be for RAW, the mirrorless lineup should be for everyone, just because everyone else has upped the game, canon seriously needs to, or else they will just become a lens manufacturing company. It already feel like a lost battle to me, I love fuji stocks as much as I do canon colour science, whats the reason for me to buy this camera at this end of this year, with 2 unknown giants yet to be launched.
But you cant sell a Camera for 2500$; and market is as "innovative"
when you get another camera for 2300$ which has ALL Features of the Canon + IBIS + 4k no crop + Dual SD + 120p FullHD !
i'm not saying you're wrong but the sony doesn't have ALL the features of the canon.
-canon colors -dual pixel -flipout screen -canon full lineup of lenses
Kris Dekker Panasonic
+Maxi VL
Sony's color are totally fine with their 3rd generation of FF body, please stop acting like canon's color are perfect, because they are not. Red for exemple is so saturated straight out of the camera, its really not flattering for most people.
Id argue that Sony AF is better in most situation
Sony/Zeiss native lenses are better than Canon EF lenses and they have a great selection
You know what, with an adapter, EF lenses actually focus better on an A73 than the entire Canon's lineup.
No flip out screen, I will give you that !
how are you sure that EF lenses focus better on sony than on canon? color science is subjective. and no canon still has better lens selection.
The 3 reasons Canon made this camera perfectly answers why people are RIGHT about this camera.
if by right you mean a barely passable competitor to the A7ii then I guess. It doesn't hold a candle to anything Sony is doing right now... and the change in market share proves it. The fact that I'm one of 6 photographers in my circle of shooters that has changed brands in the last 3 years doesn't hurt that evidence.
@@10bighikes58 yep agreed - everyone is right about this camera being disappointing.
So with the GH5s with full-frame glass and a speed booster XL, I get a 1.18x crop. 1.18x on an M43! And this is marketed as a full-frame camera with a 1.7x crop!! Canon can do full-frame 4k they just want you to buy a C700. "if you want full-frame buy the C700, its only $30k", -Canon.
Im sure there will be a speedbooster for the R too. it happened to the M50 already
Really? They don't have one for the 5D mkIV! It suffers from the same issue.
Because you need a mount with a small flange distance for a speedbooster to work. With all the specs you were throwing around you'd think you would understand how cameras actually work.
MikedieONE Even if there is a speed booster (which this camera sadly needs to be usable for video) it’s still not over sampling any pixels- and they’re small pixels- so the result with be iffy low light, soft 4K, and zero electronic capability with adapted lenses. Sony gives away their protocol to third parties, that’s why the Metabones adapter works so well. Canon said they refuse to share that information.
So would they need 3 speed-boosters then? One for EF to EF mount, another for RF to RF and yet another for EF to RF? This camera. Lol Making the Nikon Z6 look better and better.
Exactly the problem. Canon made this camera for Canon. There is the problem. Canon makes cameras for themselves and doesn't care if users want them or not. This is why everyone is on their case. This is a camera built by engineers for a company out of touch with the market. This is a who cares camera. This camera makes them bleed even more. They could have developed the M series rather than another half-baked hardware that is irrelevant from the get-go.
Stop making excuses for Canon, they are blind and not listening (nor care) about what the actual everyday users are asking for. Even their marketing sucks. I shot Canon for 12 years until and after selling my 1DX and 5DIII, never looked back. I still have M1 and M3 that I bought for $120 and $200 respectively and stop right there. Nikon at least showing interest in what we want. Canon is not even pretending.
Based on your "Canon 3 goals" premise, they failed on all three. Why buy this body? Just stay with 5D4. This offers absolutely no advantage. NO IBIS is a no go from a very beginning and the stupid crop? Whoever gave you that excuse is trying to mask the half-ass design and lazy engineering. They are unwilling to spend money on the processor, cache, and technology to make this happen.
I will wait for Panasonic full frame before I ever look into another Canon. Heck, Fujifilm new medium format is more compelling than anything Canon may want to put out. This R unit is an excuse of a camera and with this Canon is asking for the user community to pay for their R&D.
Canon has the processing power and the expertise with the dual and quad processors in the 1D series for a decade. They are just too stingy and tight to put them in this camera. They have had this for years and could have smoked everyone out of the water with this by developing the battery technology to power the processor and but chose to stay put. Mirrorless revolution has been around for 10 years. Canon has had the Technology to marry the two for 10 years, but they rested on their laurels and arrogantly refused to see what users are asking for. Sony put out the first FF mirrorless nearly 6 years ago. Canon was the innovator, but with that one camera and the lack of movement by the two giants, they simply lost the race. Nikon is trying; Canon still does not get it.
Product line preservation is a lame excuse not to develop what the consumer want. Sony has kept the pro line of the excellent video line along with the mirrorless technology. Please stop making excuses for Canon. I say it this way, the problem with the oil industry is that all the oil is in Texas, bull the dipsticks are in Washington. The problem with Canon is that the user community is everywhere, but the decision makers are in Japan (or who knows where) blind and deaf. The Canon employee cannot tell you that they are not the ones making the marketing decisions. Those decisions are being made by a bunch of fossils sitting in their offices totally out of touch with the market or their product line managers are just simply clueless. They do not dare to step out and see the market as is and turn a blind eye to how it has changed. They simply have refused to adapt to the new market. The void they have created is being gladly filled by other players.
planned obsolescence. all of this is.
Thank you for replying. Please expand. Do you mean to suggest that they planned the obsolescence of the line they have and to transition to a new line? Or, they failed to plan hence the market drove them to obsolescence?
Observing Canon's behavior suggests no plan as they are extremely late and very underwhelming with their reaction tot he market. Did they plan to fall off the lead and rested on their laurels?
Personally, I think Canon simply did not think that this mirrorless business is going to succeed the way it has. Surprisingly, after having proof of concept, as it has been demonstrated by Sony, Fujifilm, and M4/3, Canon did not react to it strongly and after the long wait and the anticipation, they left their users with the R version. This is what encourages me to think that Canon simply does not get it. Sony went through a major leadership change a few years ago and corrected course with stronger leadership.
All of this, is simply lack of vision, lack of leadership, and lack of touch with the user community.
You are right, this shitty camera is a WHO GIVES A FUCK camera.
Rez, Canon currently dominates the mirrorless market :
Believe It or Not, Canon Leads the Mirrorless Market in Japan fstoppers.com/gear/believe-it-or-not-canon-leads-mirrorless-market-japan-273240
You Won't Believe Who's The #1 Mirrorless Camera Manufacturer czcams.com/video/4RJZw721vB0/video.html
and I expect Canon to clean up, the FF ML market too.
If you are serious about video, you will be shooting raw already. Cant afford raw video ? check out the Blackmagic Pocket 4K camera @ $1600 USD that shoots 12bit raw - logs not required.
I was shooting raw 2k 14bit 25fps back in 2012, and the IQ still looks killer. Highly compressed H264/H265 just doesn't cut it, and is akin to shooting jpeg stills.
This is exactly what I was going to say
I totally agree with your perspective here Caleb - although it’s not that exciting it is actually the perfect b cam for c200 and c300 MKII users who want a solid gimbal cam. Also if youre invested in canon glass, like canon colour and want a small super 35 cinema cam with C-Log and decent DR this is your only option. I personally couldn’t care less about FF for video but I can see why a lot of the hybrid users are disappointed with this. Does the cam allow you to reduce all the sharpening and noise reduction to get that C-series look or does it retain the DSLR and mirrorless digital sharpening look?
Is it me or is the focus slightly off, which makes the whole image appear soft? does it need to be micro-adjusted? I wonder if its an issue with 3rd party lenses or maybe its just a one time thing. Completely agree with you on this camera. Really looking forward to getting one.
Sigma lens.. nuff said(not in terms of sharpness, but they are always failfocusing)
That EF adapter with built-in ND filter is genius!! too bad it has to be attached to this body..
Benoit Levesque compliment sandwich! Haha
Video cameras have had forever
I hope others will steal the idea ...
Aputure Vari-ND is another interesting solution.
I get the feeling that Sigma and Metabones are going to follow this lead.
If you have the 4K crop, plus you have an adapter with the EFS 10-18mm lens, will vlogging yourself be too close or will it be a decent distance away ?
I left Canon about 4 years ago and I have yet to regret it. This latest lame offering from Canon is further proof that I made the right choice.
I left Canon after the XC10 release. I waited for their answer to Panasonic, and that was it. I am a hybrid shooter with about 50/50 photo and video in 4K. Also, I bike with backpack a lot and wanted to cut down on weight. I have not regretted my decision at all. Wife loves wearing Canon bling, so she lugs it around...
the shutter closed when changing the lens and the nd filter in the adapter are two great ideas, I don't know why the others haven't thought about it yet. a shame that this EOS R has these downsides...
I'd rather have to blow the dust of my sensor which takes 5 seconds rather than have to swap the shutter because it fails after going up and down so much.
why would it fail?
I thnk next cameras from other brands will have this shutter system too. Though I hate Canon's commercial politics to protect their C series...
I prefer dust on the sensor, than on sensitive shutter blade.
Was the auto focus on? The GH5 image looks crazy sharp compared to the Canon... and I'm a big canon fan. All my gear is canon right now (used to have the GH4 but needed the full frame and DPAF for low light and run and gun)
I'm new here and a year old on youtube. I love filming and those cinematic brolls... Thanks a lot for clarifying so many things. You put them in a really goo way. Cheers
No 1080p@120fps is a deal breaker for me
Benoit Levesque bye
I hear that 720p is making a comeback with the millennials... as is single SD card failure.
The 720p 120 seemingly doesn't even use continuous/tracking AF...so that's useless as well. Maybe there's a 480 option?
How many cameras do you have that record video to 2 cards simultaneously? Video has always been 1 card slot.
A9, A73 and A7R3 can all record video to both SD card at the same time... idk for other camera with dual SD card
I wouldnt be surprised if the X-T3 and the GH5/G9 can do it too.
The 1DX mark II has been shooting 4k for so long... why cant they just use that sensor?
That's cropped too at 1.5x
Caleb, Why are you shooting at 400Mbps on the GH5s for a simple static head shot? You're not showing any movement or anything, so 150Mbps would pretty much look exactly the same. Is it simply for performance purposes when editing?
Good video. Just a question. When you started shooting on the Gh5s, did u use mf or AF? Looks pretty good tho with all these AF problems the Panasonic has. Thank you
I should probably give you the same warning I have given others who attend these events. Let me know if you want to discuss offline.
I will never understand the "well just buy a cinema camera". Panasonic and Sony have better features in their cameras and yet they still sell FS5/7 and EVAs. So that excuse holds no water to me. If I was only shooting in a studio or on sets, I'd absolutely buy a cinema camera. But I'm not, I'm solo
Shooting at trade shows, car shows, and tight compact areas. I need a smaller form factor more often. If(when) I could afford it I'd get both, but right now I need the compact.
Heck people still by the C100 despite the 6D MkII having similar if not better features for far less money. Clearly the cinemas have more going for them than just base specs.
I once saw someone said 'red camera is cropped, arri alexa is cropped, etc cinema used super35 anyway'.
The flaw of that comment is RED alexa and everything he said use all of the sensor size.
If im buying a FF camera I want a ff look.
Some people defending their fav brand blindly.
HotRodHippie , the Blackmagic Pocket shoots 4k 12bit raw and will be $1600 USD. If you want to shoot video, buy one of these.
Nor Dic I very likely will for a studio camera. However it's lack of real autofocus and stabilization makes it useless for many of my needs. I'd have to upgrade to a gimbal with follow focus from my current one, and in studio I'd have to manual focus on myself all the time. That's far easier said than done.
Luke Rooney he means how the out of focus areas look and probably the low light bonus
Hey Great review.. just a quick questions... is this better or the Sony a7 III to shoot video (4k)?
From my perspective having shot with 7D and 80D bodies mainly for video work, this is a fantastic camera. I've had two 80D's primarily because of how fantastic dual-pixel autofocus is. Seriously nothing else comes close for single shooter work were you are doing interviews and can't pull focus on two cameras. Will be upgrading to the EOS R for sure.
Sorry but the justifications that you give for this camera is exactly why everyone else is exactly right.
This.
But its a photo camera 1st. That's like buying a C200 and expecting it to take great photos. Buy what you know its built to do first. Anything else it does its just bonus
The image seems a lot softer on the Canon EOS R. I kind of doubt it's just the 8-bit vs 10-bit on the GH5. Any thoughts?
A big reason is Canon is cropping in to get a 4K readout. Panasonic and Sony take a 6K sensor and downscale that into a 4K frame. This makes Panasonic and Sony's image look incredibly detailed.
6k has around 20mp so that sounds about right
Yes the GH5 has a 6K sensor.
Doesn't it also have an OLPF? That softens it up quite a bit.
@@dslrvideoshooter Remember when RED were the talk of the town with a 6k sensor? Now, sub-2000 prosumer bodies have 6k sensors. What a time to be a film maker.
If I use my eos r with 10-18 in 4K , there is no crop because it’s already cropped, what do you think about this set up, 10-18 is so light..
Thanks for a helpful and sensible video.
I'm planning to upgrade from crop to full-frame, and was going to stick with DSRL (5D Mk IV) because it's a fairly comprehensive package. But after watching this, I'm thinking: why not go for the EOS R instead? (1) It has a better sensor. (2) Even with the adapter for my Canon lenses plus a battery grip, it's less expensive than the 5D. (3) It has a totally articulating LCD screen. (4) It has practically the same MPs for still photography. (5) It even takes the same batteries, of which I have a bunch! So what possible incentive do I have to stick with DSLR in upgrading?
Any response would be helpful. Thanks again!
You know, I said that about the specs on the M50. Canon is smart to target a niche and not battle for sony users. They made a great camera for vlogging. 6D 2 users will really consider this one. I might go with the X-T3 though. That would be a great camera to complement my M50. I don't need a full frame. Great video Caleb.
What's next, Medium Format Vlogging? Sorry, I see _nothing_ in 99.99999999% of all vlogging videos that warrants 4k or full-frame. Honestly, Full-frame is a handicap as the depth of field becomes so narrow it annoyingly switches between face and other objects all the time. APS-c is a good balance for vlogging - sufficient depth of field, and excellent noise ratio + much lighter than full frame so can be hand held. Making a full frame camera aimed at vlogging is just a really wasteful thing to do.
@@mdkooter absolutely agree as I said I don't need 4k or full frame. But that doesn't mean that there are not tons of people that want 4k and full frame for vlogging, ie A7iii vloggers, that is the video people they are targeting, but this is mainly a photo camera. I would prefer a M50 over a Eos R for what I do. And I would rather have a X-T3 over a Eos R as an upgrade.
You really hate IBIS don't you. If you care to video-blog, you need IBIS, you really really need IBIS, unless you love your Tripod.
@@charbax I do not know whether I hate IBIS or not I have never used it. I have no doubt that is is helpful like auto focus. I know that I do care to vlog and think I do a decent job at it without in body image stabilization. Also I know that there were very successful vloggers before we had IBIS, Casey neistat, Peter McKinnon, the latter not using it though it was around. Every tool has its place.
I think alot of people also see a camera like this as a damn camcorder first. Tips me to bits when people buy a 1d or something then winge and moan about the video!
For me this would could be a nice little camera for my needs. As I like to do lots of multiday hikes and carrying the 1d with supporting gear lenses gets a bit overwhelming at times!
This is just not a FF camera for video 4k that is the 1.8x crop is no good
PremierReviewer now what?
Now shut the fuck up, that's what.
It's fine when compared to an APS-C camera.
Mark Davis This is closer to a MFT camera for video than it is APS-C. Check out EOSHD.com if you want an explanation.
Move_I_Got_This Classy brah. Do some research then get agro. Visit EOSHD.com for the 1.8x crop explanation. The EOS R is essentially an MFT camera in video mode. If you’re cool with that then fine. I won’t call you names.
I wanted to say Thanks Again for streaming the live event when you were in Hawaii that was awesome. Love your Content thanks for creating the videos you create!
I have a question, if you have an RF lens then can you use the drop down filter adaptor still with that lens on the EOS R? I'm confused because surely you can only use EF lenses with that adaptor because the mount is EF and not RF. So in that case would I just not be able to use an RF lens with the drop down filter and I would have to use a filter straight over the lens instead for the RF lenses?
Canon didn't even focus on your face right))
Ha! Yeah was surprised by that.
Yes but gh5 or gh5s don't focus at all lol.
Laurențiu Derecichei exactly
RAMusic Corny ass comment
keep in mind third party lenses like the Sigma might not focus as well
GH5 video in the begging looks much better than the Canon and that's all that matters to me
Hot Brass and Bullets 👍🏼 yup . *beginning
How did you get the 4K working with that lens? All I have is EF lenses and non of them work with 4K. My EF-S lenses don't even work at 60fps. I love the camera though.
Hey Caleb in the GH5s shot you said "no speed booster" with the sigma 18-35mm, how is that possible? Do you mean to say you were using the lens on a MFT camera without a speed booster😮
this camera is not making me switch back to Canon... just makes me glad i sold my canon gear & went to the camera company that is streets ahead of the rest & actually cares about its customers
11:30, you mean the 1400$ Fujifilm x-t3 That has a great apsc line up of lenses
One question, when you put the 10-18 efs on the eos r, I do not see that you have any vignetting, is this because of the crop of the 4k?
2 yrs later and I'm here considering buying an eos r to replace my secondary camera Sony a6500 to move back into the Canon camp with all my Canon glass and replace my main a7iii with the new r5 I think the r5 and eos r will make a great team and work well together for 2 camera shoots.
1 SD slot, cropped 1.8x 4k, that’s nearly 2 times crop, horrendous rolling shutter problems and no IBIS. To whoever is responsible for this camera the - R should stand for RESIGN!
It should be a great camera for 1500 $, but for 2300 it sucks.
$ 1500 not because the 6dmII already exists in that price, but if they should be about $ 2000 and still be somewhat expensive if we compare it with what the competition offers
X-T3 Is only $1500 and it has in body 10 bit 4k60fps 1.18 crop and 1080@120fps...
Thomas, if you are going to record in an EOS R in a crop format for $ 2300 it does not make sense, instead the xt3 for $ 1500 with its cut-off sensor has more
@@Viguileras totally agree with you. I, myself, am saving up for the X-T3. It has all the video features I wanted and more.
I think it all depends on your setup! I am using the R6 as my a cam and I will add the R to it as my b cam. Since I already own the RF 15-35 (has IS) and the Ninja V (can record 10bit external) to go along with the R, I don't mind the lack of IBIS, the 4k crop and the oversharpened 8bit. I wouldn't use it as an a cam though in 2021.
Good stuff Caleb! 2018 has been AWESOME for the hybrids.
U completely ignored the frame rates on the Gh5s vs they eos r
If that's a big deal for you..
@@themjian it is a huge deal more me and many other people but for his projects it isn't
12:50 Yeah I dont agree with gh5s comparison. The gh5/s has a ton more video centric features the EOS R lacks. Plus the the EOS R has no autofocus when shooting in C-LOG, its manual mode only!
"A $2300 camera that had all those things..." I'll just spend $1500 for an X-T3 and buy a cheap monitor to go with it... I even get 4k 60 lol
ThickFreedom Honestly it’s the goldilocks camera. Sensors not too small not too big easy to adapt lenses to it. With the speed booster you get a full frame view. Build quality is top notch. I’m l definitely getting one
and 2 card slots
Jason Navarrete doesn’t have fully articulating screen tho. And pretty sure Fuji does 2.5mm instead of 3.5mm. Also battery life is atrocious. I’d wait one more gen
WayneMakesThings it’s got 3.5 and yea the batter I not great and I don’t know about you but I’m not a vlogger the screen not fully articulating is ok. Like I said before “Goldilocks”. canon seems to not get it or not care
WayneMakesThings Tell me why do I always see average users like you complain about the battery life on Fuji's flagships? I personally purchased X-T2 + battery grip for my assistants to do BTS( both video and photo) while on set, and I fucking swear I have never seen a single charge other than roughly 2 batteries almost died ( 3 while on grip). Oh yes, for 8-9 hours on set. Stop complaining and actually use it.
Nice perspective really appreciate... just 2 questions is the 4k quality the same ??? In sharpness or canon js has a higher bit rate and comparing the crop to the xt3 apc 4k is it the same or almost...
I don't own a Canon camera. I'm on the fence about purchasing either the 5d mark iv or the eos r for primarily video. Which one would you recommend? Does the 5d mark iv have less rolling shutter?
When every single cinema Camera I know about has a super 35 sensor (a cropped sensor yes), I don’t really complain about the 4K crop and never will. For me, and I’m sure this relates to so many others too, I can use my Sigma 18-35 f1,8 ( which I loooove) on the 4K crop.The fastest wide zoom in the world. So thank god for the crop.
Don't let the haters get you down, Caleb! I love that you find the positives in these new cameras. There was a lot of hate for the 6DmkII and the M50, and over time, you slowly see people falling in love with them. Same will probably happen here for a certain audience.
I have been going back and forth when comparing this camera to the Sony A7 III. Still undecided, but my biggest concern with the R is that I've read reviews that say the Sony is much, much better shooting video in low light with a high ISO setting. Canon R video is said to be very noisy in low light/high ISO settings. Thoughts?
So the sigma lens does work with the new adapter? On the previous video you mentioned that the new adapters would not support third party lenses.
Was just wondering since this was filmed with the sigma 18-35. Thanks.
Glad you added the disclaimer, otherwise people go bananas saying Canon is paying you 😂
right bro
A trip to Hawaii, meals and hospitality and a free camera for an extended period are not getting paid?
No it's not getting paid. @DSLR Video Shooter wasn't in his home town making videos for money for clients that week, and can't use the meals, hospitality to pay for his mortgage, car payments, etc... Yes he does have a free camera to use for a while on paid projects. Also, numerous industries take media, press, influencers on trips like these. It's pretty standard.
Vanguard Media and Entertainment, Inc. Why do you think they do that? Because they are nice guys?
Everhandy you should watch our live show we did today on my channel, it really makes you look ignorant when you're spreading false information.
If I had to choose from the 3 new camera's recently released, I would go for the Fuji X-T3 (for photo work) as I really like their film simulation. I wouldn't sell my A7iii though as the only disadvantage of the X-T3 is that it's not a FF sensor. For video I would choose none of the 3 and wait till the A7S3 comes out (or the FF Panasonic) before making a decision. But as I'm not a millionaire, I'll stick to my A7iii and a6300 for the foreseable future. What I find positive on the new Canon R line (despite the price) is the new lens design with control ring as well as the adapter with changeable ND.
I sure hope you are getting your hands on whatever Panasonic is releasing tomorrow.
Not a Canon user, but I suspect that, like any other brand, APS-C Lenses are Cheaper than FF. And with this in mind, if you know you're going to do mostly video on the EOS R, can you just get your hands on APS-C lenses and skip the whole FF lineup? Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
(of course, while still having AF, because with this Flange you could go for Vintage manual lenses if you wish)
Interesting idea. I have a 10-18 efs lens lying around. This could a really cheap wide angle solution for 4K.
Why should people have to compromise or shift their perspectives in order to consider this a good camera? It's completely underwhelming and a total disappointment (from a video standpoint, anyway). The only people who aren't saying so are people who Canon flew out to Hawaii for the release party. I mean I understand your points about it being a camera for Canon - because all of Canon's cameras have been cameras for Canon lately - but I don't understand why you think this is a good thing? Has Sony been hurting from making cameras that directly compete with other cameras in their lineup? Has Panasonic suffered from releasing ambitious cameras with future-focused features? Has Nikon had to reverse course after taking user feedback into consideration when planning new cameras?
I like Canon, I learned on Canon cameras, and I'm rooting for them. But this camera is a bummer. I don't want to have to squint my eyes and cock my head and use my imagination in order to see a camera as a great value. I use cameras to make a living, it's serious to me. Unless Canon is including a free trip to Hawaii with every EOS R purchase, I don't see anything to be excited about.
AMEN! (I make my living shooting video too) AND I used to be a Canon only guy! So I'm pulling for them also but I think the "head guys" @ Canon are too far gone, I mean really, How many years now since the 5D??
Brad Baerwald 2005 5D or 5DMarkII? Haha. I remember when my friend got his 5D in 2005. I was shooting film while he got to chimp at his shots on the rear LCD. I was so envious.
Canon introduced YET ANOTHER feature deficient product and they are losing more market for it. If this was a $700 camera I could understand this, but $2,300 puts this in competition with MASSIVELY more versatile cameras. Almost nobody in the video community who aren't receiving these for free are legit considering them.
$700! lol.. a 77D costs more than 700$
Did you use V-log on the GH5s? Panasonic claims 15 stops of dynamic range, and I believe the EOS R is around 13, but clearly the shadows are better exposed on the EOS R. We use the GH5, but from what I've seen lately, I generally like the picture better on the Canons -- even on my old personal 7D mark I in good light.
I really want to have sony because of its full hd slow motion but I also want fully rotating screen which sony a7iii doesn't have. I just found canon eos r for $1350 used in pretty much new condition what you guys think if its a good deal? Also it came with 4 batteries and the box
Canon blew it. Lost the market, in less than a year from today Sony will public their next gen A6500, A7S III, and other companies are ahead of it. Canon's 4K is not as sharp as other systems, looks like HD before compression / upload to youtube. The fact is.... $2,400 for a crippled FF canon camera, or $2,000 for Sony A7III .... well, as a Canon user for ~20 years, bye bye canon.
less than a year? less than 2 weeks lol
haha.... hope you're right.
Blew what? How is the 4K less sharp than other companies? I seriously doubt the 480Mbs 4K video of the EOS R is less sharp than the 100Mbs 4k of Sony. Sony is throwing away 4x the bits. Facts dude.
Wy Lee sony a6500 f.e uses a 6k and downscale it to 4k, that's why. also the sony use a full sensor readout. besides that, canon blew it simply because it's holding back the development.
ok so you "doubt" and you call that "facts" right? Funny dude
Really had better hopes for the Canon! Time to wait for Sony a7s III
still waiting...
Just starting to watch this video. What about use who are shooting with Canon FD glass? Are there any adapters on the vintage glass front yet?
Perfect camera for Canon. Great way to put it.
Also if center crop was the issue, then they should have put a 4.6k chip in and cropped it down to 4k.
I think I'm going to wait for the Panasonic offering and go from there. I'd rather have the Nikon Z6 than this EOS R.
Sorry for so many posts, but iof Panasonic can make a full-frame camera that is priced and speced between the GH5s and the EVA-1, they'll knock it out of the park. That's what I'm waiting to see.
Again I hope their "full-frame" is a Super35 chip and not a photo full-frame chip, but I'll be happy with whatever they come up with.
Great vid! I’d love to know if you have recommendations on what camera you’d recommend for CZcams or instagram to get the next level quality? Thx in advance
gh5s has 60fps 4k
Andrei Pich now what?
but sucks at taking pictures.
he forgot to add this to the advantages
Tavaris Hamilton Now, how about we start taking English language classes so you can participate in conversations online with people!
It feels like you're saying "lower your expectations" while putting a positive spin on it. It's not an APS-C camera, and it's not charging APS-C prices. When the competition is giving true full frame video in the same price range, trying to reframe it that way is just strange.
And while I trust you're not being intentionally biased, and though you might not have been paid directly by Canon, the optics of an all expenses paid trip to Hawaii aren't great. I wish these camera companies would stop doing that, because it's impossible for the experience not to influence people's opinions. The same thing could've been accomplished anywhere, without all the glitz and the exotic locations.
Anyway, I look forward to your other videos on the camera.
newfoundmass the gh5 and this cost the same. This is full frame. Now what?
But you are not using full frame in 4k!!! If you throw speedbooster on GH5 you get smaller crop. And 4k60 and better slowmotion, beter video quality...
Also you would need to bring two sets of lenses for Canon R to match FOV in 4k and 1080.
@@tavarishamilton the GH5 and GH5s come with tons of professional video features that are unmatched in the price range.
@@buby024 true, and ultimately you're paying for the professional video features in the GH5 that can't be compared to any other camera on the market in the price range.
To be fair, sony did the same when the a73 came out, and nikon did the same with the z7, might not have been all the same youtube reviews, but they flew a lot of people out none the less
I assume that 1080p video is full frame? Or can it be scaled to the same crop as 4k if needed? Does that also mean the camera will do better in low light if shooting 1080p instead of 4k cropped? Could you do a low light comparison video soon with the a7iii and the gh5s? Thanks
Great perspective.Thoughtful.Looking forward to the next installment.
How is it cheap? 2300 for just the body!
I have too much invested in canon lens but am preparing to switch if canon does not not get on the ball with competing with Sony. my canon lens can work with Sony using adapters and so I use phottix juno flashes.
No IBIS is a deal breaker for me. I love having it on my GH5.
And the GH5 is the best IBIS camera of all!
amen to that
You weren’t getting it anyway!!! Nerds!!!
Hi caleb, hope you can answer this question.. :) will you be able to shoot at a higher fps with an external recorder such as the new atomos ninja v? And in general, is that option even possible is other cameras ? Thank you!
I bought the EOS-R to film in 4k to an external Atomos Recorder. I do not want to shoot in Canon LOG. Does this mean that if I do not enable Canon LOG 10 BIT that I am shooting in 4k 8bit 4.2.2? I wanted the R for the 10 bit color but I do not want to shoot it in LOG. I was hoping to shoot it in standard picture profiles. Please let me know!! Your reply will make my decision on either keeping it or sending it back.
Canon eos R is pathetic when compared to Sony's a7 mk3, so much for Canon's first goal. I'm sure this camera will push even more users to Sony.
Come back from Sony to Canon for this camera?!?! HAHAHAHAHA I wouldn't want this camera in my camera bag in 2016 and at the end of 2018 it has no place in ANY bag. Seriously would you pull this camera out if you own a GH5 or a Sony A7 III? Why?
😂😂😂 Hahahaha! I enjoyed this comment Soo much!
I have it in my bag and I love it. The guy behind is way more important than what you're shooting with.
I actually sold my a7rii with 24-70 2.8 GM and got this camera. BEST DECISION EVER. I’m having a lot fun shooting editorial shoots with it and got the Canon 24-70 2.8 II. & dont start with that “well 4k crop, or lack IBIS” because guess what? I got a Bmpcc 4k for my serious VIDEO. I also have the Zhiyun crane 2. And lastly lack of dual cards?? Well I have had a Canon t6i, 5d mark ii, Sony a7rii, fujifilm xt-1 and NONE of them have dual cards and never ever had I had a problem. So guess what, the EOS R is the best choice on the market for me. I could afford the a7iii instead but nah I like Canons color science and super fast AF.
Argue with me im ready for it? 😼
auto focus. fully articulating screen.
Hello hello - question. Does the R focus while recording to an external recorder. Do other cameras (A7X) focus as well while recording ? Can you recording internal and externally at the same time ?
Hi caleb,
I just downloaded the official eos r manual now online, (I really need to get a life)
It seems that in 10bit there is no full HD or high speed HD available to record externally. Also in 10 bit you can't record to the card at the same time as an external recorder. In 60 or 120 HD you can't use an efs lens or the crop mode according to the manual. Is this right or is the manual misleading me?
Can't wait for your further thoughts on the camera,
Many thanks
Oh and the efs 17-55, which is a great lens becomes a 28-93mm 2.8 with IS in 4k, which could work really well until you want to take a still that is.
Video title: "Why people are wrong about EOS R"
Video: tells us why people are right 😂
No, people are right about the EOS R.
You are making exsuses.
fanboy alert. I've got the A7 he compares it to... it blows the EOS R out of the water
@@10bighikes58 IKR
Yep... That is the problem with fanboys, they make dumb excuses for crap products but you know he wants to keep getting those canon invites.
Zero credibility on this channel
Activate Halo exsuses
Question about the filter adapters. Is there a blank that can be thrown in or is there a way to "disable" the filter for regular shooting? Trying to decide if I want to go for the regular control ring adapter or one with a filter option. Thanks!
I would love to see an in depth comparison between the EOS R and the GH5s as I am currently looking at both and have some existing glass for canon system
Caleb? Canon didn't pay you? They just wined and dined you in Hawaii. Please don't become a shill for them. I'm a 5DIV owner but I can admit this camera is disrespectful of the spirit of innovation. This is a mirrorless version of the 5DIV. When did the 5DIV come out? Where is the evolution and innovation? This camera is missing the three basic modern features: (1) cropless 4K, (2) IBIS and (3) 4k at 60p. Even Nikon Z6/Z7 checks off two of the boxes. No excuses for this.
The Sublime Quest Everything he mentioned in the video now what?
Please don't insult Caleb. In the real world, lots of people conduct themselves with honor and integrity. I believe Caleb is one of them. No, Canon didn't pay him. They invited him to an early view/use event (just like almost every other major camera maker does with almost every other major camera reviewer). If Caleb didn't attend their event he'd have to wait to actually purchase the camera to be able to give any real-world in-hand commentary about it. And you know what you'd do in that case? You'd go watch the video of somebody else who did attend the event to get the early word on the camera.
Was the travel and hotel paid for by Canon? If so Canon paid him.
6 weeks 30Mp Camera rentless is the Payment
This review did not paint canon in a glowing light. It seemed fair. No talk about Canon color and matching with other cameras?
Amazing!! Thank you so much for your insight! I share pretty much the same views so far.:)
Oh and wait till creators like Philip Bloom, Peter and Casey get their hands on them to make every nay sayer get back to their roots about why they started shooting video/photo in the first place. Because in the end, that's what it comes down to. What you can do on set and in the edit room will eventually be the biggest differentiator irrespective of the tools you use.
Yes, I wish it was priced better because this means their FF 4k with dual cards and IBIS could be prohibitively expensive but that's something we have to wait and see.
But hey having said that I thank each and everyone who is disappointed/happy with this launch. You guys along with the manufacturers have infused so much life into this industry!! Thanks Caleb and all you guys and girls. This is probably the best time to be a creator and/or a gear nerd too.
Congratulations to us all!😁
So Peter is going to give up his "buttery" 120p? Or start shooting in 720? I think not.
@@richbarrett Thank you for responding. But that's not what I said now did I. He doesn't just shoot slo-mo you know. Check out what Matjoez has done with his 6Dii, another camera that was hammered at launch.
Besides no one here is saying that it's going to replace someone's existing Canon cameras.
Hey, you stick very hard to the datarate. Well, I guess it's still motion jpeg. A very inefficient codec. If you put 480mbit into h265, hell, that would be hight data rate. Sorry but Canon have to change a lot in their upcoming MILC specs to keep up. For now I will go with the X-T3.
Last canon camera I owned was the 5d mark 4. Got the a7r3 when it was released. Was planning on adding the R along with my a7r3. Not happening now. Panasonic is a real consideration now as is fuji. Also waiting on the a7s3 announcement. Also noticed that the dual pixel autofocus managed to keep your face blurry throughout the whole video while the gh5s was tac sharp
Canon: “The company I want to love, but I’m forced to hate.”
Dude,stop making excuses for these companies pathetic attempt at mirrorless. You are losing respect from many here. Smh
He's not making excuses, he stating facts. This is one of the most unbiased and best video review channels I have run across.
@@mauibuilder1239 facts are subjective from person to person. Spmeone will say one thing and that might even be a fact.
This video is not fact based nor did he say it was. It had facts mixed with speculation, and personal observations. Theres no way he knows Cannons exact reasoning or motivations. Facts are the specs of the camera, speculation and personal feelings is everything else.
Go home
OrganicFarmer What’s with people in this “facts don’t matter” era? I guarantee you that Canon’s stated c-raw burst rate of just over 2 frames per second is both a fact and a reality.
Rent or buy an EOS R, and if you can shoot Canon’s special raw format photos with autofocus/AE at three frames per second or faster, I’ll buy you that paperweight of a camera. Why do people stand up for blatant liars? Where’s morality gone? It should belong to one brand any more than it should one political party. I’ll buy the best camera at the bet price the same way I will vote for the politician who is not constantly lying and deceiving. Give up your loyalty to liars and cheaters. Loyalty should be earned and maintained when it comes to everything. This is not a conservative or liberal idea.
Many people have commented negatively to your video Caleb, but I would like to thank you! Every user needs to weigh the features most important to them. I have an a7Sii and have struggled with it for my style of vlogging. I feel Sony has compromised to get specs... like putting a corvette engine in a chevette. I wish the R had 120 in 1080, but the overall strength of the package is appealing to anyone who holds the camera out in front of them jumping in and out of a tractor trailer. Thank you!
Hello Caleb! I am using GH5s as you are. Why don't you mention the difference in "no stabilisation " between those 2 cameras? Panasonic will be a lot smoother, simply because of the smaller sensor.
Great camera, just overpriced, let’s be honest
crap tech from 2014...canon is a dinosaur !
Dude, can you do an original Sony A7S vs. EOS R ?? It's interesting to me that everyone is touting how good the EOS R is with full HD and no in body image stabilization. It's basically an A7S of sorts.. I'm curious of the difference in full HD quality.
Thank you for explaining it so well! Your arguments are very well versed!
poopy lol
People in the comments dropping specs of other cameras, complaining that this model doesn't have absolutely everything, are part of the problem. You mean Canon isn't helping you race to the bottom doing $500 promos for local business or shooting weddings for $1,500 a pop? Boo-hoo. You all are a bunch of rabid bargain shoppers who determine a camera's utility based on the spec sheet, not shooting experience, reliability, workflow, or any of the other factors actual professionals (most of Canon's customer base) care about.
No, these people in the comments don't give a rat's ass about $500 promos or $1,500 wedding shoots. For every "actual professional" out there, there are hundreds of hobbyists and amateurs shooting for their own enjoinment. That's how most of Canon's customer base actually looks like. Both in terms of sheer numbers and in the amount of revenue they generate for Canon. And absolutely, these folks' number one criterion is the amount of features they get per their hard earned dollar. Workflow, shooting experience, all of that is secondary.
This has put things into perspective for me thank you. When the a7siii comes out it will be at least $1000 more. In any case, the flip out screen and fast low light autofocus are reason enough for me to sell my 5D MK IV. I have no problem with single card and no one is talking about simultaneous upload if you are able to hook into wifi. I have pre ordered the camera and will get it in a few weeks. For me it is mostly for shooting portraits as I like the autofocus and color better than the sony a7riii which I own.
When is this available for purchase?