Explosive Debate: Roland vs. Cenk Uygur on Biden 2024 and the Progressive Blueprint for America
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- In a spirited debate, Roland Martin rumbled with The Young Turk's founder Cenk Uygur over President Joe Biden's 2024 presidential run and what could be Progressive's playbook to taking over America.
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Now I do believe Cenk when he says that Democrats are too polite. Their messaging needs to be direct and in your face.
His firebrand hasn't worked for him though, he lost in 2020.
me too, but Biden is going to Wi💙🩵
@@markrchamb Because of mainstream media buried him. Go buy a clue.
@@vickiebonner4181 Upgrade your standards.
@@vickiebonner4181seriously upgrade your standards
I am amazed that people didn't understand how changes are made. If you don't give the president a congress to pass the bills nothing will change.
Absolutely right. When things get done is when the President has both Houses on the President's side.
I have no side to pick in this debate.However,it looks like Roland and Cenk are on the same side.They are trying to come up with a strategy of how to make our government more accountable to its people.This is a valuable discussion that I wish I would see more on the so called major networks !Thanks Roland and Cenk for the discussion.
They are not. Cenk is trying to convince everybody that America is less binary than it is. While Roland is being pragmatic about how binary America is.
Now is very, very different the richest of Americans need to pay their fair share, Trump has gotta go, we can take care of more issues after we get rid of the faciast Trump.
I would say that. However, Roland, along with his panels in past shows, have made it abundantly clear that they are not really on the same side. Roland and his panels have made disrespectful remarks about the progressives that have come on his show as well as those who haven't, all the while giving less flack to establishment dems. They continue to question the legitimacy of the progressive platform and those that represent it. He and his panels have taken the same approach of attacking the progressives as the liberal media and the establishment dems. Roland seems the talk out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to the progressives.
@@kathyjones274
Say you do take Trump out of the picture-- how to resolve two wars that have unfolded within as many years?
How to uphold the law the way it should be when subversives whom pundits like these two unwittingly support keep rewriting the rules?
If anything, you'll wind up with even more issues than you think you had when Trump was in office.
They're trying to come up w a strategy to destroy America and oppress whitey
First thank you Biden; i dont have student debt anymore.. He talks abt Biden ego but it's apparent he's got the big ego.. he's taking credit for all these progressives that won but couldn't win himself 🤦♂️
which president has ever decided not to run for his 2nd term.. com on now
Don't thank Biden, thank the taxpayer who had to pay your debt for you. The guy struggling to put food on his family's table. FU pay your own way
I’m a progressive, I agree with Roland about we don’t have a movement, we have no strategy. We need to rethink our plan and create a movement. Let say a progressive candidate win the presidency, he can’t do anything without the support of progressive congress. We will be in a stalemate can’t get anything done .
"progressives"/left wingers need to stand down and just ensure that Biden is re-elected to keep Trump away for good..once re-elected then all bets are off!
Progressives are clowns
So we better do nothing. 👍 Cool plan
@@nogrecords I never said we do nothing, we can keep Biden in the White House while in 2024- 2026 we elect many progressive candidates so we have a progressive president in 2028. We only have 10% progressive candidates elected, we need to do more for 4 more years.
Your also brain 🧠 dead
Good to see Cenk getting more visibility in Black media. This was a good example in defining the differences between corporate democrat vs progressive principles. One's bought, the other does not have enough money to make a difference.
What it ought to illuminate is that the political system itself needs to change. That is something that can be lobbied for. If Americans want change they need to start a movement for that change
@@bereal6590 The problem is, no one understands this, if Roland and Cenk could unite their resources and explain this to the public, that would be an effective way of getting movement from an ignorant electorate.
@@cbrfast you'd need to start with cross channel cooperation, making a bigger platform, rallies and getting the word out to young people that they must go vote. That's all short term, you'd also need MSM coverage and money to advertise. Long term change would only come about with a strategy to have mam reform so the likes of fox news can't spread lies and propaganda and chance from the current system to proportional representation. All that would require a candidate that not only would have the ability to bring all facets of the left together to unite but also a squeaky clean record. Problem is Cenk is doing this wrong and at the wrong time. He is actively turning off voters and confusing the issue, because the only issue right now is keeping trump and the republicans out. If he gets in all he'll will break loose. It's no good him constantly putting biden down, he is basically trashing the only chance there currently is and imo that's unforgivable. Any other time but not now. Roland is a very level headed guy and sees the pitfalls, Cenk would need to win over people who are far less accommodating or level headed. I hope change can take place starting with grass roots, with unions lobbying coming together finding the right people, culminating in what would be better as another party entirely! Just not NOW
Damn. That hit hard AF. You right, unfortunately. America is FXXXd
@@bereal6590that's the MF problem right there. It's ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS "not now". Well, WHEN IS IT!?!? GUESS WTF IT WAS IN 2016 AND 2020?
Take a damn guess, although you already know the answer. Yep, it was "not now". Because it's NEVER. This generation is the FXXKING WORST
Thank you, Roland, for having Cenk on! We all have to push the progressive policy agenda!
ROLAND... THAT'S IGNORANT!!! VOTERS ARE NOT VOTING FOR THESE FOLKS TO THEN TURN AROUND TO HAVE TO BEG THEM TO "THEN DO" WHAT I PUT YOU IN THERE TO ALREADY DO!!!
THAT'S RIDICULOUS!!!!
AND, THAT'S WHY THE BLACK VOTE WE AINT GOIN FOR THAT BS ANYMORE!!!
WE PUT YOU IN...
YOU DO WHAT I PUT YOU IN FOR!!!
I DELIVERED MY VOTE!
YOU DELIVER YOUR PROMISE!
SIMPLE
I don't care if you don't vote or do vote just make sure that when you do vote, the person you're voting for has YOUR best interests.
Vote for one that holds yours and others' interests in mind...
Worrying only about ones own needs, maybe why we're here?
But, no to Fetterman. His stance on Israel is no good for me and those that I know.
Young voters don’t vote consistently..
@@B.White70 I actually like Fetterman, I don't know what he said, but he's okay.
@@B.White70Bullshxt. Everybody else's interest is what we vote for. They've got all of these things done for LGTBQ, Transgenders, Immigrants, Asians, and Jews but what did they do for black people? Where is that Police reform? Reparation talks? you don't think Blk people are supposed to put themselves first for a change?
Great debate and conversation. Cenk makes some valid points. Dems don't fight like republicans. We need a progressive candidate, that's able to articulate their agenda and policies with conviction. Someone who is not afraid to fight. I'm afraid we may never see this person if Trump wins, and democracy is lost. Excellent conversation and debate!
We'll never have that because the Left destroys itself instead of empowering each other.
Cenk may have a point if trump makes it to the general election but, that's a big IF given his legal entanglements
No Republicans don't fight they lie cheat and steal
Roland acting like it's impossible lol he still mad that hilliary lost
@@jerrymarr2288yeah Roland is a smart dude but he is ten toes down for the establishment Democrats for some reason
Sorry Cenk, you are losing it and that's why people are pulling away from TYT! You are incredible too hard on President who has accomplished quite a lot in the face of absolutely no support from Republicans! For my money I would promote the hell out Katy Porter, Sheila Jackson Lee, Jared Moskowitz and Jamin Raskin!!
This was a great conversation. I love both of these guys. They tell it like it is and don't concern themselves with the consequences.
I used to like that guy but
I don't care for him too much now
But
I am a Roland fan😊
Same. I enjoy watching from different points of view..
I love it!!! Great debate against knowledgeable, logical and foward thinking people is refreshing!
He cannot be president because he is not a born citizen.
Love this debate as well!!! We need to see much more of these a series of Great Debates for the ages could change thing.
I’m sure he’s going to make just as great as his home country turkey, 61% lest year! Islam is the best way to run a nation. Rich king and everyone else equally poor
@@evodiovaz He does indeed make great country turkey. with a side of greecey chicken.
Cenk, maybe you have to be realistic and admit you're not the " fire-breather " either. 😢
Thank you Roland for pointing out how Democrats in Montgomery is getting the job done.
The turk is in the race?😅 He's a spoiler who nobody knows, an atheist, an underdog and believes in trump more than himself😢!
Heard different about Democrats obeying Democratic president. That they challenge them privately, publicly and enough will vote against their agenda to block bills whereas the Republicans may be at each other privately, not publicly and will close rank to get bill passed even if they personally are against it or that particularly version of it in hopes of getting other bills passed.
So yes. It may come down to brain type as to how people see things, how they choose to see things, how they "move" through decisions, manipulate, gaslight, coat ride, go out of their way to be relevant in situations that is so so irrelevant to them to make them think they matter more when they matter enough already but situation or persons gilot in their heads to tell them they're made of glass.
Who expects a person elected into office to not change somewhat especially when they owe no one in congress any political favors to have helped them get elected.
Like mentioned AOC. Media liking her helped her get into office and that alone made her enemies, excluding those who said she did not have enough experience for the position she was elected to.
Why wouldn't she change? We saw some of the jabs and pecking at her publicly. Who can't imagine or have an idea of what was done privately to make her fail, to punish her for "being there", in their group, in their circle, "up too close" to "them". Trying every which way they can to get her to quit? The manipulations. The sabotages.
@@fayebradford5763I know who Cenk is , hes the strongest democrat
@@fayebradford5763who are you supporting for President?
Can't believe I waited this long to view/comment on this excellent exchange. You're both right. Cenk's position is totally correct in that since '04 (Pelosi era) Dems (especially progressives) were undermined by corporate dems like Nancy, Wasserman in Florida and pretty much the entire non-coastal contingent. They forgot how to fight, leaving the arena open for.....well, you know what happened next. Thanks Uncle RoRo. Another master class.
Cenk and RoRo....critical friends!
This man spent the first 10 minutes basing his argument around paid family leave when young people honestly pay no attention to such issues.
Great debate! This is what 2 adults getting both their ideas out to each other. Nothing like the childish republican debate. Good job gentlemen.
He ain't loudly, overtalkin... hiz supremacist counterpart
@@ChefChevyTv Yawn......and weak sauce trolling must be lucrative. 1/10. Keep failing.
He is worse than a republican
Yes!
@@ChefChevyTvwhich one is the supremacist?
The issue with Cenk's argument is that his argument is basically, let's perpetuate cult of personality politics
Agreed...👍
Goodbye Cenk! He is asking to act like the hard right, but call yourself a Progressive! This is just radical and EXHAUSTING! No!
He's saying to push progressive policies more aggressively not " act like the hard right " How did you watch this video and get that from it?
@@robhernandez5520 he is a bad messenger on promoting progressive policies. His inability to make an argument calmly causing his words to have little appeal over his tone. So even if he’s saying just be more aggressive, it really sounds like he’s say me just as vile as the radical right. Either way, republicans will stay radical because that is the nature of them and their supporters. Democrats and the left have too many make ups of their coalition and no hard pushed politician will last long in the Democratic Party. Pressure/passion are different than aggression.
The Democratic party has to much diversity to follow a populist 🎉
@@robhernandez5520Populist work on the GOP side of politics, there's to many diverse free thinkers in the Democratic party...🎉
@@robhernandez5520 cenk is a fraud....only interested in media coverage and being a loud mouth troll... He's nauseating
Good debate held by two informed men in a gentleman fashion.
This was a screaming match on two men talking past each other.
Roland thinks the youth vote is irrelevant, which is silly. Every year the youth vote becomes part of the 30-45 vote and every year the 55+ vote becomes smaller and smaller as baby boomers pass on.
To underestimate the youth vote 8 years out from the 2016 race is not doing your job, RoRo.
@@majorlazor5058
Roland basically said the progressive vote is irrelevant when you go down in age because lack of voting gets higher as you go down from 50 to 18. This is fact, they don't turn our to vote like the older groups.
Being loud online isn't the same as showing up to vote.
you must not listen to much
@@majorlazor5058
You must be watching a different video cuz I don't see that 😂
those new Democrats are not whispering especially Rep Crockett
Right on Jasmine Crockett 🦾🦾👏
The new Democrats are not playing, Sorry Cenk, Justin, Justin, and Jasmine. If you take notice all the initials are J. Oh so is Comey, And Jordan,
I would vote for her she is a fire cracker intelligent and no nonsense
I agree..the new young democrats are not quiet at all. We cannot ignore people like Jasmine Crockett, Jamal Bowman, Justin Pearson, Justin Jones, Kori Bush, Alex Ocasio-Cortez and several others. Lately anytime there's been an issue, they've been the ones on the mic addressing it..
@@rayfuller2604 Some of those folks make a lot of noise but don't pass any laws. I'm more impressed by people like Lauren Underwood. No, she's not a camera hog but she's sponsored more bills that have passed than all of the people you've listed COMBINED.
Roland is awesome. Following this guy
AOC is the model: In your face with facts and subtext. She’s the best political communicator I’ve ever seen. The problems are that the MAGATS don’t care about facts and are shameless about that fact; and the media values conflict and spectacle over facts and explanation.
Go Cenk, Go Roland!
AOC is anti black
An interesting debate that unfortunately leads nowhere, because Roland and Cenk completely cancels each other out. I understand Roland asking the tough questions and being a tough interviewer, but incidentally he's doing what mainstream media does: playing gatekeeper. Whenever a Progressive runs, they are immediately held to a higher standard than any other candidate and have to jump through hoops to prove they're worthy of a nomination, whereas no matter how mediocre the Establishment candidate is, they're immediately assumed to be worthy of the office.
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If he was truly gatekeeping he wouldn't have had him on at all. How often have you seen Cenk on CNN or MSNBC?
@@UndertheNeedle282 Almost never. That's mainstream media's form of gatekeeping: to just pretend as if you don't exist. What Roland does here - and he SHOULD ask the tough questions, but to hammer it nonstop? - is an internalised form of gatekeeping. I'm not sure he's even consciously aware he's doing it.
Absolutely my feeling, well articulated.
Roland would vote for Hillary again today
😂😂😂
I would too…. Gladly, she was right about damn near everything she predicted on her campaign.
I would. Anybody against Trump.
Yeah he wants to shuck and jive with her on stage again 😅
@@ranma36Hillary the creator of slave markets in Libya is so wrong she lost to a circus clown
He kept asking which progressives have won state wide. Dennis Kucinich!!! He was in a red state
Cenk and Roland are much better interviewers when they're not shouting 👍
True Justice Dems should run progressive candidates at all levels of GOVT
They do, and they lose most often.
@@dudeseriously57 they should keep going
Facts!
@dudeseriously57 False. Cenk just proved that in this discussion.
Progressive means communism Bruh .. that's why they lose... we so immature politicly that we just blindly give our votes to a party that takes us for granted...
Great interview from my two favorite folks. I love this discussion! This is how Allies should interact
"Nations don't have allies; they have interests."
Cenk is a narcissist to the 💯%
We condemn and disavow Cenk - the american 🇺🇸 youth.
@@MetatronLux-pk6jo Speak for yourself!
@@MetatronLux-pk6jo No, that's you and the other establishment shills. We American U.S. youth are done with milquetoast politicians. We support Marianne Williamson and Cenk.
I feel Cenk but I don’t think he’s right about Trump winning again. I just don’t see it at this point . But this has to still play out.
Ive been a fan of Cenk and Roland for years! I remember watching Cenk and Roland at separate times on MSNBC and CNN respectively. They should do more interviews together.
I don't know if I could handle that, personally. Roland NEVER let him finish one sentence and even tho Cenk answered his ONE (& only) question over and over again, even though he was interrupted every single time, Roland kept coming back to the same question. It was like he had to "win" this debate, at all costs, even if it made him look like a sell out (not saying he is), even if it made him look like he was 🧢 ing for the corporate Democrats (...), even if it made him look ridiculous (in my opinion), he had to win. So he wouldn't move on, wouldn't ask other questions. Wouldn't ask about the court case Cenk would HAVE TO WIN *BEFORE* he could be President. Wouldn't ask him about about what is going on in Florida, with the "Democratic" party LITERALLY BLOCKING DEMOCRACY!!? Stopping the primary from happening and disenfranchising the MILLIONS of democrats in Florida. That would have been so much more of a substantive debate. But naw, Roland has to win, so we were robbed of any of that
@@nogrecords
False 😔
Why are you so focused on Beto?
That also is a different voting cycle. Since then the youth has obviously been more progressive than say ten years ago...
Because Beto is the candidate that Cenk is talking about and he lost, over and over. The only "firebrand" he could point to was Federman. That's not a movement
Great point!
Spirited debate, I hope that about one million people will watch it because it is a political education given by both men to be fair IMHO, Americans need more of these talks 💯
Thanks for asking Cenk the same damn question 20xs. You gave him a chance to lay out far more nuanced details on a primary concern. Anyone notice that Cenk the "Hot Head" didn't lose his cool even once? I believe his reputation is partially a played up persona for tyt, anyway. He can rein in his emotions despite popular belief
I’m only 20 mins in and I’m so enjoying this discussion. The good banter back and forth is refreshing. Now both bring up great points. This brings me to the realization that two things can be right at the same time. Let’s be real I’m nowhere near excited about this particular election but it will be one of the upmost importance. Joe Biden in his heart of heart really wants to enjoy the rest of his life PERIOD, however right NOW he is the closest person to beat Trump. What is needed is a vibrant person that is just as loud and noisy as Trump and have this “I don’t give a….” and say what he or she feels and attack. The time for politeness has gone out the window. Donald Trump has ushered in ignorance as popular. We have to look at Donald’s base supporters which are uneducated, ignorant, racist, deplorable individuals…..of which Trump has described himself at times. I don’t know if the Democratic Party base is overwhelmingly ready for that type of person just yet. I think that’s Roland’s point. Because the Democratic base is a mixture of progressives and moderates you have to find that middle of the road candidate and I don’t think we are there quite yet. Unfortunately we have to build from the bottom and not start at the top people. The roof isn’t good if the foundation is unstable.
The crux of the problem; the Democratic Party will not allow us to have a choice. If Cenk is correct and Biden cannot beat Trump, why aren't we have a primary where we the people can decide who is the best democrat to take on the fascists? Democrats are doing themselves a disservice by not demanding a primary, Biden shouldn't get an automatic nomination.
Roland keeps acting like young voters didn’t go ham for Obama. You put out a candidate people believe will fight for change and the voters will show up.
Buying merch or shouting him out on social media doesn't count as votes. If young people went "ham" in every election after Obama, would we have an 80yo president now? Maybe the first female president?
Vote for your future, it’s y’all young folks future to lose. Sometimes you need to look at what the alternatives are. And KNOW you are NOT going to get everything you want. That’s the problem with folks these days…
People keep forgetting that GW Bush and the republicans ran this economy into the ground and we were hemorrhaging jobs. Obama brought the Hope and Change message that America wanted at the time.
Yeah, but even Obama said young people don't allow the old to dictate their taste in music or fashion, but when it comes to politics, they sit back and allow the older generation to dictate the future
Roland has a bug up his butt about the youth vote.
Biden needed 5 Democrats running against him for president to bow out and endorse him in order to defeat Bernie Sanders in the 2020 primary. No serious person can say the youth vote is irrelevant.
Thank you for making the case, Cenk. Bernie, Nina Turner and Cenk have been the only candidates where I have given money because they are not bought by corporations.
Cenk is pretty transphobic these day, do he’s not very progressive. Bernie is the only progressive greasing of those three and who has a shot at getting national appeal
*@ri8tboatr* Yes. So have I. The stuff Cenk is saying Roland will never discuss on his show or touch on the topic.
JFK jr!
@@CarlosBlancas-hg4eh let Right Wingers enjoy his conspiracy theories
@@tellall23 yes like when you get vax you won't get cov..keep swallowing
It took republicans 50 years of voting to get the supreme court, be patient democrats, be patient and vote.
Be patient my ass. I'm not about to keep voting for them if they aren't offering anything tangible to our community. If we're not getting anything out of the deal then I couldn't care less who wins..
I voted for Obama twice and all I got was the right-wing Heritage Foundations individual healthcare mandate!
@kreativekulturetv2488 I get something from democrats as a senior collecting my retirement, social security, and Medicare. unlike republicans who would give them to billionaires and idiot dictators 😮
@@OriginalBernieBroI pity you 🤫
Be patient for another 50 years? This is why we never get anywhere, this is why we lose, be patient, my ass! How’s that being patient shit working out?
I love how Roland pointed out exactly what I was thinking wen Cenk was going on and on praising young progressives.
"55 AND OLDER VOTE!!!"
He was spot on about Beto. Beto did fun runs, campaign rallies, outdoor town halls w/ free beer, etc. He did everything possible to drum up engagement/voter turnout, but the younger populations still didn't turn out as much as the older.
They would vote if the right person fired them up.
@@lazarusxartisttemple They had Bernie Sanders in 2016 and that didn't even motivate enough people to turn out. A fraction of our populace actually votes on election day.
@@Buoyant_Bear Emphasis on “right person” lol
I would vote for him,❤
Good stuff Cenk! 💪💪💪
Thx Roland for having him on. 💪💪💪
He should have Dr. Claud Anderson on to talk about real issues that Black People should be focused on. This stuff is not as important, because it's not a solution to our problems.
@studytoshowthyselfapprove8301 the progressive social policies are important for all disenfranchised minorities, there's just no way of implementing them. So you're stuck with a two party system which both hold black people in contempt
Cenk I hope you keep going no matter how low the numbers seem. I don't agree that you shouldn't go forward because the numbers are against you. Dems need to reassess after having Trump come out the blue in 2016... I plan to vote for whomever is against the GOP. It's time progressives / Dems do what the Republicans have been doing for decades...they stick together on the most unconscionable of issues and don't care what happens if they can keep power!
He’s not a natural born citizen, he’s a grifter.
Well said
But what is the number of progressive that comes out to vote. What percentage of genz n millennials that vote every election period? Still far lower than over 60years and above.
There’s a big difference between a thirst for keeping power, and a hunger for gaining it. Progressives don’t have a hunger for power, because a large part of the progressive/democratic party have never had the kind of power that the GOP is afraid of losing. People generally don’t fight very hard for something they don’t particularly want. People on the left desire equality more than power.
How can u support someone who is telling people not to vote for Biden?
He’s just trying to push his idea that he’s some beacon of hope it’s all comes back to him saying he’s the one … 🤦♂️🤦♂️ he ain’t winning and never gonna be allowed to run
Whenever any group can vote in a bloc, and decide the outcome of elections, and it fails to do this, then that group is politically sick.
Malcolm X
Finally, someone came with actual ideas and not just talking points. Cenk's strategy to try to change naturalized citizens being able to become president may not happen, but he at least is trying to broaden the choices people have instead of just 80 year olds that won't be around to suffer under disastrous laws they passed.
No
What disastrous laws are you talking about? You’re putting to much emphasis on the office of president. Congress holds the power, Congress writes the laws, the president only signs the bills. Presidents come up with the agenda. You should actually look up all the policies that Biden has signed that are helping the American people and not the large corporations. If Biden were protecting China like people say then why did he sign the Chips Act which allows those much needed chips for technology being built in the USA. You do realize that will take away China’s power over Americans.
That can never happen!
Love the show my two favorite people that I trust the news
If you trust cenk then you are unbelievably lost
I Trust Them Too✊🏾💯💯
Naw, Roland Martin thinks like a brainwashed boomer... Cenk Uyger is the new path
Cenk Uyger for president
Keep going Cenk. The movement is coming.
Roland, why do you seem to be angry at everyone no matter if they’re good or bad people?
How someone could watch this interview and come away saying that ROLAND was the “angry” one is CRAAAZY
He's jealous
I wouldn't vote for him
Love this conversation!!
I used to think Roland is progressive, but listening to this i now change my mind
I have great respect for both Roland and Cenk and this is what two people do when they have our interest and democracy at heart. They talk about it and may not agree on everything but are headed in the right direction for this country. I think Cenk could be president personally and if he's on the ballot I'm voting for him. Thumbs up to Roland and Cenk!
Respect for both? Yes. Vote for Cenk? No way.
@@jeanneiisydw6596 Better than Biden and tRump.
@@dreammatch2000
NEVER, EVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER ...
I WOULD VOTE FOR A ROACH BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANY ONE OF THE THREE
BUT ESPECIALLY NOT CENK!!
I'll never understand why people would say such a thing about a person that's not a politician.
Cenk has been fighting for the popular asks through his show for 20+ years. AOC had that fight when she was elected. She was actually part of justice democrats which was co-founded by Cenk. She can turn on the get in your face attitude. 👍
This was good. The ‘left’ needs to have more of these debates.
Exactly!!!!! They’re not loud enough on the issues..who gets all the media coverage..Trump!!! We need a LOUD Democrats on top of the POPULAR issues THAT SPEAK TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE… everyday people …..this is what Cenk is..talking about!!! but like he said it’s hard to get media coverage when they dismiss you because it doesn’t get views like trump does..Cenk is right
Finally someone gets it! Kudos Rocky.
But the corporate democrats don't want these debates. They run from it. The corporate democrats want to keep things the same so they can continue to shovel money into their pockets. That's why they don't fight for us (the people). They fight for the rich and corporate donors.
@@rockytorontothe media only like trump for ratings no matter what Biden does drama sells that's why the media covers trump so much
Great that Roland is interviewing Cenk. However it’s overkill, Roland, with you asking him the same questions. Plus interrupting him when he tries responding makes this frustrating to watch at times.
Dang, I think I stumbled into a bobblehead convention 😂😂😂
Did you stay for it?
@@kathrynhall1136 I did for a bit, but those big heads crowded me out.
Roland Martin has literally asked the same question for the entire interview.
He's trying to get Cenk to understand, there has to be a successful example of progressive leadership working on a state or local level. He has to convince people his policies can pass the house of Representatives.
@@1B2B-ReyA It can, the House doesn't want to do it because those bills effect the rich donor class that keeps these corrupt clowns in power. Which Cenk kept alluding to and Roland had a hard time understanding.
@@1B2B-ReyAexactly
@@1B2B-ReyA But he literally gave an example and Roland was like, "Who else?" The progressive movement just began so why is Roland acting as if it's impossible when gains at the Congressional level and 1 at the state level has happened so far? Roland acts as if it didn't happen in a wave, it's not going to happen at all.
@@tonystone10K the progressive movement didn't just start. Nore the policies they run on. Its something damn near impossible to implement.
Cenk named 11 progressives in the house, amongst 400+ representatives. How do you pass legislation with those numbers. Were do you point and show voters. This is proof progressive legislation works.
Cenk would be the lefts version of a not dumb trump. Im tiered of theatrics and social media presidents. Just do the JOB.
Good debate, but Roland has oldhead energy missing the forest for the trees.
Yep
But if you think about it, it's probably many people that think like him. The best way to answer their questions is with facts. Cenk does that and has a massive following from younger voters.
@@chooseylover1422that's exactly 💯% correct. Roland keeps coming back to this same question in his attempt to "win" this debate, even though Cenk has said many MANY times that they don't exist yet. Cenk is trying to lay out a path for Dems to win ACROSS THE COUNTRY, *AND* the Presidency. He's giving example after example of how this strategy WORKS, & Roland keeps asking "where are those candidates" , like BRO!? WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE??
@nogrecords
No don't get me wrong! I get what Roland is doing, but that's why this debate is so cool. It shows the thoughts on both sides, and Cenk keep giving it raw with no lies.
And I loooooooove Uncle Ro Ro, but on this point I’d have to unfortunately agree with you.
This the problem with populism extrem on both sides. You dont get anything done. If tou actually listen of both side. They argue economically on same issues. You have to really listen and comprise to get something done. Ideally, break up monopolies, most votes win, eliminate lobbying and other things. Get it done if you don't listen to the other side
This was really a good debate!
There are not a lot of examples because he's trying to do something new, he's trying to change the system, not having a lot of examples doesn't mean he can't succeed. If Black people think like that, we wouldn't have any 'first Black' this and that.
Seriously
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He will change absolutely nothing
Cenk is a grifter that won't change anything
WE ARE WAKING UP! IT'S A BRAND NEW DAY! THE DAYS OF OLD IS DEAD!
Martin kept bringing the conversation back to the same thing. I like Cenk boldness.
Thanks for having Cenk on Roland❤ He's not Corrupt, he speaks the truth, and he's not afraid.
He's corrupt enough to support political incarceration regardless of the rule of law.
Unlike Roland himself.
Yeah we gotta give him a thumbs up beacuse he is RIGHT. There are more people than fire breathers.
That’s is a complete lie.
Oprah’s endorsement of Obama was significant. Obama’s early win in Iowa was significant. Obama is a skilled orator and people wanted to believe in him.
Great Discussion! Energy that matched energy.
Love these 2 and debating styles🎉🎉
Our president is out there promoting his policies and accomplishments. The media of the masses is not reporting these speeches. He was in Colorado two weeks ago in Bobert's district and in Wisconsin last week toting the infrastructure bill but the media doesn't show this.
He been talking that since he got in.
@@mainetbeatz2155Trump talked the same shit everyday but the media NEVER missed a single word he said!!! MSM is 100% biased!!! Follow the money!!!
@@mainetbeatz2155 Because y'all haven't been listening. He needs to keep talking so that more people know.
@RSlayer001 he ain't need nobody to listen when sending all that money to Ukraine. He the worst president in history and will lose 2024 by a long slide
What a joke😂
Great debate! I got so excited to see the two of these giants have this conversation.
Giants ? You mean clowns / raging leftists
Me too !
DUDE ASKS HIS GUEST THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT 100 TIMES
What an embarrassment.
Great interview....good job Roland
Love this debate!!! We want to see much more of these. A series of Great Debates for the ages...
I agree with Cenk, Democrats and DNC are too passive in their approach. Current trajectory they could lose their political advantage if they don’t “rattle the cage”. I am that demographic that is a latecomer progressive. Sure I’ll vote Biden - if he is the only choice left to run against Trump. But give me more effective candidate - one who will not settle for marginal gains when the opportunity is ripe for the taking.
Have you watched any House of Representatives videos?
@@sherriebyese8597 Yeah, they're talking about nothing that'll improve anyone's lives.
Liked the "rattle of the cage." Roland's pushback might be a stark cold reality. But his attitude towards the guest was very defeatist. It seemed for the sake of argument.
RATTLE THE F****** cage. Who knows. The hinge may come loose, the lock may have lost its integrity. Roland comes off like he would be the animal in the cage. That goes back into the corner. When you come to open the door to feed him, then waits until you lock it and leave, before he comes to get the food you've left.
@@anotherpointofview222 Yeah Roland appears to be stressing proof of the movement before showing any directional support. He deals in hard facts- is what we expect of him. The move towards a progressive agenda is daunting because without a fully identifiable leader folks like Roland will view it as nothing there to pass the smell test.
@garrettstitt5489
Totally understand, and also your take on Roland's take. I don't know who could pass the smell test at this point. The whole system is foul.
Neither one of these men is wrong about the plight of the democratic party.
Roland,if you are inviting a guest to talk about their book, how about you read the book first? Jesus Christ what an embarrassment
While i like his progressive stance, he is thoroughly obnoxious. I watch his show only for the other two hosts. Tell him to come discuss his run for presidency after he gets the law changed concerning native-born requirements.
Roland make a lot of good points running a CZcams channel is different than running for President, especially if you couldn't win a congregation race, Roland is coming with the facts.
*@emmanuel8739* And Biden losing approval across every demographic. Even mainstream media that often backs Biden is getting nervous about him running again. This is bad. Roland is rolling the dice way too much, and betting on the older generation of voters to get Biden reelected.
Trump won and he was only a reality TV star. So cut the bull
Trump never won a campaign but won the presidency, it can be done
Yeah I agree 💯
Especially since Cenk is NOT a natural born American Citizen to be able to run for President of the United States of America ‼️
Roland is right Cenk doesn’t have a chance.
But Roland is dead wrong thinking the youth vote is irrelevant. Progressive politics are increasingly popular and RoRo knows it. Not a week goes by he doesn’t report on the Squad. These 6 folks are shaking up public views despite their extreme lack of power in Congress. Most of American Democrats opposes the censuring of Rashida Tlaib despite Congress ignorantly doing this.
7:47 LOOOOOL... bet you're eating those words now, Chunk.
"Yeah, Fetterman.. he's FANTASTIC."
great discussion! Solid points on both fronts, true passion, and good points by both of you. Make it happen, fellas, I'll vote for your candidates! :D
Roland just showed how he’s an establishment Democratic do boy. I’ve never seen him go this hard at a republican.
Agreed
I been knew that he's still mad at CNN for firing him and not letting him in the club
Then you clearly do not watch this channel and watch his videos. Just because he gave the same energy to your boy, doesn't mean he's switched up.
Agreed
@nealmike5490 how about that 🤣🤣🤣
Excellent thank you Roland Martin for bringing on our concern people Cenk Uygur for sharing some of the idealistic truth for creating a stronger Democratic Party for the people.Our world has some men who don't ever see women as strong candidate and that is a problem.
You c an never have a woman be president off the United States because on a world stage, you have to deal with Arab nations that quite frankly don't respect women and the United States can't afford to have that disadvantage
Great debate/conversation!
Everything Cent said was true and instead of discussing the shortcomings of Dems, all Roland does is talk about his beliefs on Cent winning and trying to play king maker. All these media people wrote off Obama when he ran and Trump when he ran. Just shows how out of touch they are with most people.
I Definitely AGREE with him! Democrats are to Quiet! Put some power to your voice! They are to nice and sweet! Trump tells everyone to go to H---, the judges, etc.
Justice will be served Trump will go to prison
I will VOTE for Joe Biden every day of the year. Trump is just loud and nasty he is just about having power nothing about America's.
You are thoroughly wrong.
its a bot. couldn't even be bothered to remove 'user' from the screen name or type something other than a random alphanumeric string. Biden bots are just like Biden himself, tech illiterate@@timcarr6401
Bidenhas won before I wouldn't strip him of his incumbency advantage
@@ddawawiaw I don't know what's worse, his utter corruption or his mentally-challenged state.
So, all in all, they agree! This was a great debate! 😆
Why don't people see that the existing civilization with its political, economic & religious systems no longer minister to the needs of an evolving humanity? It produces people who are unable to dialogue with humility & courtesy!!
I hate to say it but C is correct. Dems could be further along if only they would show some strength. They have it but don't show it. People like strength. We like people getting in the ring and duking it out. It makes us feel strong. We don't see what happens behind closed doors in a hurry.
Keep saying it loud Cenk!!! Speak LOUD to the issues!!
Like Roland said, the young doesn't vote like they should, don't put the blame on all Dems.
@@hartubmoses6645you have to give them something to vote for. The “this is the most important election” stuff isn’t going to cut it. My life has been no different since Trump left office. Young black Americans like myself ( relatively)aren’t afraid of Trump, because we have nothing to lose.
@@deezerus3899unfortunately kid you have a whole lot to lose, you just haven't lived long enough to understand it yet. There are generations who died just to make sure you could vote, be seen as a human being, and you spit in their face? Maybe this nation should go back to segregation, just so kids like you would understand how good you have it, and how quick it could go away.
@deezerus3899 It's pathetic scare tactics from both sides of the political aisle. Roland refuses to call out the flaws that Democrats keep failing upon, especially when it comes to economic issues. Nobody wants tRump back, but this "backup Democrats no matter what" nonsense, isn't going to fly either. Got to look for better options.
A great discussion of two progressive men. Kudos, great show. Thanks.
Roland is FAR from progressive.
@@emj2068Roland is NOT a progressive he does the old democrat dance
@@primus3601 exactly
@@primus3601So, I guess that means you do the Old Progressive Dance?
@@russellstevens9927 sorry thats not a thing my guy 🤣🤣. ONLY democrats chuck and jive to one tune and don't put up a fight against the conservatives.
I don’t see Cenk accomplishing anything, but Roland you’ve moved the goal-post 30 times this conversation. You can say Cenk is misguided in HIS pursuit, and I agree, but he’s giving you his answers. Young voters aren’t activated and Roland’s strategy is business as usual when we need something to entice young voters. I don’t know how at this point though. Too much apathy.
Roland, you are ao right. If something comes up or the lines are too long, younger voters may just blow it off. That's my biggest fear. I was right here for Beto and he went to every freaking county here, Some multiple times.
Cenk is speaking for the regular person who has their eyes open. We can't vote for nothing or out of fear. Shake it up!
Yeah shake it up so that tRump gets re elected in 2024! Cenk is stupid!!
He should've ran in 2016!
He shows a lot of emotion but how is he going to get all of his ideas implemented??
He can't veto everything just as Biden can't!
He still has to get the majority of his policies passed through the House and Senate!
He's always criticizing corruption fine that said, there is alot of things said about him too!
NOOOOOOOOO! Biden 2024
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No, he is speaking for himself. He accuses Joe Biden of having the incredible ego, when Biden is very humble. It is Cenk with the massive ego.
He is also making specious arguments. Just because progressive issues are popular doesn’t necessarily translate to candidates getting elected. Too many different coalitions that Roland makes reference to.
@@jocksharerock7318 That's a republican pretending to be a progressive.
@@michaelro2871 Freaking STANS. Get someone better. A generic Democrat from a small town can beat Biden.
This was pretty darn good conversation between Cenk and Roland
10,000 times the intelligence compared to some of Roland's conversations with conservatives.
@@manicms
Maybe because conservatives are not that Intelligent 😢
Dang I think you got it@@QueenAnitaSoul1 😆
Roland cook and exposed Cenk and proved how under qualified and delusional he is thinking he can even rub for president. 😂😂😂😂
😂 Rub 4 president
I believe at 33:23 you were talking about Rickey Hendon. Nice to hear you mention the honorable Emil Jones. Longtime family friend and he’ll be missed!
Bernie was 80 years old back then..🤣🤣
And he still was the best candidate but his time is done
@@Usmcpb no one said he wasn’t ,but no one complained his age maybe a few people..
@@Staywoke7909 Ironically, mainstream media told the Bernie Bros to shut up about Bidens age. Hmm. Weird.
@@dreammatch2000 that maybe true. the real problem is as long we need 2/3rds in the house and senate nothing will get done and that’s just a fact, so if the president’s party doesn’t control the house and senate with big majority and everyone in the caucus is behind him or her 100%..
Yep! Sadly, Bernie is too old too!
Cenk should have mentioned Nina Turner
Or Ro Khanna. At least he's the original Justice Democrat that come onto Cenks show.
Yeah Nina is my Queen I try to fight just like her
This was a GREAT debate!
I hate when people ask questions but won't let you answer.
Hi Roland, Thanks for having Cenk on. I like this guy. I appreciate the exchange of ideas and the question you asked him.
The ONE question he asked him, because he WOULD NOT ask him something different despite Cenk answering the effing question Over and Over and Over!..
@@nogrecordscenk will never win. He wasn’t born here. And if u think a naturalized person will win his case a run for president you r insane. Why would they change the rules and let a man from turkey be president.
@@nogrecords Because he doesn’t answer the question,all he offers are excuses,oh the media,oh Beto is not a good example because it’s not convenient,oh no firebreathers wa wa wa!!’🤦♂️