Is Steph Curry FINALLY In The Top 10 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time?
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2022
- Stephen Curry finally won an NBA Finals MVP and has just won his 4th ring with the Golden State Warriors, but does he rank in the Top 10 NBA Players of all time? And if so, as Tracy McGrady asks, who do you take out?
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Boston didn’t pass the eye test. Curry and the Warriors looked the part and had all the swagger walking into the finals. They have been there and looked ready for it all, Boston isn’t ready there are levels to this and Boston is still a few years away from making waves.
Gilbert arenas was 1/4 qrt in it lol 😂
He will always be in the category of Eric snow , Vernon maxwell , devin gorge, maybe Kenny smith but Kenny was a way better then Gilbert straight up lol
Gilbert Arenas couldn’t fuck wit j.Stockton real real shit
No one’s talking about Curry saying last season.. “Y’all don’t wanna see us next year.” That’s some 🐐 shit to say and to deliver just makes it that much better
Exactly
The doc gone go crazy
But who you taking off to put him top 10? 🤔
Lmao EVERYONE says that shit fam ! Curry has to win two more chips and finals mvp just to be top 12. There’s nothing goat about him outside of shooting. No part of his game outside of shooting is elite (maybe ball handling too)
@@PatriccSellapound372 Nigga just averaged 31PPG on the best defense in the league with Andrew Wiggins as his second option and you wanna say he’s basically Kyle Korver lol. I honestly wonder how many games y’all watch.
I love how mat Barnes always hold Kobe down and gives him his true credit
People forget how fun he was to watch. Everyone watched the Lakers when Kobe was in his prime. I wasn't even a Lakers fan and I would stay up late on school nights to see the Kobe show.
Kobe deserve all the respect. For a while i did npt care about Kobe but when Diesel left i decided to study him and now after after he got 2 rings with Pau and following him i put him before Bron all the time. He was student of the game.Worked on D as much as on offence. He spend time studying other players to be ready when time came. I learn to have all the respect for late,great Kobe.
Kobe was the most fun to watch. He was my favorite. Steph gives me that vibe. 💯
Matt a real one 💪💯koby bean Bryant the baby 🐐🙏💯
@Kwame Kimoko LeBron beat Kobe more than Kobe beat Bron. Also Kobe never faced peak LeBron. LeBron is better. easily.
Kobe WAS the show! For me he was the most fun to watch. Steph has me in the same feels. Dude is electrifying.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@FreedomFighter2112
By your "Total Achievements" scale:
Dwight Howard (9) is better than Dirk Nowiztki (7).
Robert Horry (7) is equal to Dirk (7).
Patrick McCaw (2) is better than Patrick Ewing (1), hall of famer.
Sasha Vujecic (2) is better than Damian Lillard (1).
J.R. Smith (2) is better than Vince Carter (0).
Adam Morrison (2) is equal to John Stockton (2), hall of famer.
Zaza Pachulia (2) is better than Reggie Miller (0), hall of famer.
I think that about demonstrates that picking 6 categories you feel like and ignoring every other category and nuance in a career, and then making a top 10 list out of it, is flawed and not well thought through.
So just to be clear, your "Curry only has 13 achievements" is nonsense - just like your list. Unless you'd rather have Robert Horry than Patrick Ewing, Damian Lillard, Vince Carter, and Reggie Miller combined based on their "6 achievements".
When you talk about curry you can't leave out the fact that he was injured a lot the first part of his career. When he started staying healthy is when he begin emerging he's been one of the best players in the league ever since top 2 fasure.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@FreedomFighter2112 this is lowkey stupid. Youre adding all nba defensive teams. Steph is 6’3 scorer and everyone on that list is not shorter than 6’6. Of course he wont make it
I love how TMac on other shows talks about Steph not havin a Finals MVP is the reason holding him back from Top10. Says he shrinks in big moments. He gets one, now its hes only got 4 1st Team All NBAs lol
Well if the conversation is back on regular season accolades then how significant is being the only unanimous mvp in nba history? The most undeniable season. Clear cut better one season by impact stats wins?
U talk about one u gotta talk about it all
Everyone when making these lists uses a criteria for ranking certain players above others, but then yet eventually end up contradictiing their own criteria when explaining why certain players shouldn't be above others.
@@nicholashackie1407 yeah they dont have enough iq to cover their hate. They are easily exposed
SYAS THE GUY WHO COULDNT EVEN WIN ONE PLAYOFF SERIES
TMac been shading Steph a lot he didn’t live up to his expectations in his career
Most people who know basketball knows that Curry shouldn’t have been the first unanimous mvp. Shaq should have won AND Lebron. But one dude voted for Carmelo lol. So I mean…
KD is top 10 but Chef is questionable? I’m really starting to believe dudes just don’t like Steph and what he represents
Two of Steph’s accomplishments are tied to KD. His 2015 ring is questionable, especially after him losing in 2016 and wanting KD to join the team. 2019 no KD, team not deep=L
2021 No Klay and KD, Steph couldn’t win a play in game vs the Grizzlies.
2022 = Undeniable. Great accomplishment for Steph. He needs more.
People act like KD left and The Warriors were left with nothing. And they won a ring in spite of that. He eventually got flipped for Wiggins, who is an Allstar caliber player in his own right.
People who don’t know basketball are the ones who think KD top 10
@@life0093 Exactly. They have 4 players who can create their own shot. (Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Poole). Celtics are good when they're winning, but they don't have a star to dig them out of a deficit against a team like GS.
Steph is a great player(best shooter), but he benefits from the league and their score first mentality. You can't hand check.
Warriors changed the game and now everyone shoots 3s (including bigs). Ruined the game. NBA players used to be adored for their hard work and physical gifts. I think that's why ratings fell.
@@life0093 If that’s the standard, then Lebron does not belong in the top 10. All of his championships were fraudulent
2 with Heats: Needed a super team, not to mention Riley pulled some under table deal with Haslem.
1 with Cavs: NBA suspended Draymond for a questionable call, then Warriors players got injured.
1 with Lakers: Mickey Mouse House? Give me a break…
Lebron is a great talent, but how he go about to build his legacy is not comparable to other greats. Lebron had the luxury of playing as GM and make player decisions, getting players who compliment his skills, yet, what’s his Finals’s win/loss number?
@@life0093 2 of brons rings are tied to Bosh and Wade, so whats your point? Plus the warriors should have won in 2016 if not for refs helping him.
This was an epic interview i feel extremely happy after watching this. These dudes are a cut above. Great personalities. More.
The most important stat which probably cannot be mathematically calculated is how impactful were they to get the "W", so sure individual stats matter but at the end of the day it's a 5 on 5 games... the players mentioned LBJ, MJ and Kobe definitely all fit that mold... but idk about KD. So Steph is definitely top 10 in terms of that caliber.
hmm not sure how KD doesn't fit there? KDs defense > Currys defense. KDs rebounding > Currys (not even looking at stats, but just game play). KD has to come before Curry but theyre not too far off
@@kite4792 KD was definitely unlucky by being in a not-too-ideal OKC system. You could argue that everything about the Warriors is a perfect storm - great management, great coaching, good culture - but then again, a lot of that was built from the ground up that started with Steph. That's the main difference. My opinion of truly great players is that they are the wheel, as opposed to being system players. It seems that KD just isn't that guy, but I could be wrong.
@@kite4792 OP specifically mentions impact on winning. In this regard Curry>>>KD and its not even close
And it is mathematically calculated and its not even close
@@allday1047 KD has a higher all time PER
I love TMAC bringing up All-NBA that brings consistency. Very important. Tim Duncan is 15X All-Star, 15x All-NBA, 15X All Defense. 5X Champ. 3X Finals MVP. 2X Regular Season MVP. That's a load!
That cause Timmy is TOP 3 ever, folks hating cause dude aint flashy!
in the words of GA, TD is a bad motherfucker.
@@David-ot8wp He ain’t Top 3 but he fasho Top 10 with no doubt. The Bigs List is crazy. Reem TD Shaq Dream Wilt Russ Moses, it’s people who have all these players in a Top10.
And he didn’t change the game at all. Sorry but that matters
Some these guys resumes make no sense lol
"Steph will be in retirement mode in 5 years" -Gilbert in 2018. Love how you hide all your wrong takes
Gilbert Arenas disrespects the legends of old. If he went up against Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem, they would kick his ass all day everyday!
i don't see how thats a wrong take when a lot of people thought steph would be close to winding down around this time.
@@SolaceMcfly it’s one thing to be wrong. It’s another thing to be wrong and then act like you’re some master predictor.
Imagine still putting KD over Curry 😂😂
Right…mofos are delusional.
KD is more all around player that's why. U can't even create KD in 2k
@@ronkadero curry is a batter shooter, curry finishes more consistently around the basket. Both don't play spectacular defense (even though Celtics shot 25% when gaurded by curry in game 6) we'll call the defense a tie. Curry is a better passer. Durant might be a better rebounder.
And curry has better handles.
@@thebestmike yeah yeah yeah. Curry is this and that. Curry carries the Warriors for this championship shooting 3s event though Curry nba finals 2019 was trash, 2020 didn't even make the play in and 2021 didn't the playoff. Lol but is ok give him credit. He's not all that.
@@ronkadero no injuries, warriors win in 2019 easily, everybody knows that. 3 out of 5 starters for the warriors got injured in 2019 and you blame curry for the teams lack of success in the following year? And even if that's your argument you fail to hold Durant to that same standard.
Great show. Great panel
I like how TMac and Matt defend Kobe
Both of them have a lot of experience playing with and against him.
you didn't watch Kobe. I hated him as the antagonist but I respected his game. a literal sharper Jordan.
@@tyronjasonhuff Agreed..
Jordan had the benefit of having Scottie the Entirety of his Career
Shaq & Kobe broke up too soon
But I don't think Kobe would have became Kobe with Shaq there.
Steph has always had Klay
Magic always had Kareem
LeBron always had a loaded team.
Except for one yr in Cleveland.
they have to. Lots of Media ''analyst'' brainwashed people into thinking Oscar, Bill Russell, Wilt, Bird is above Kobe. That's total disrespect lmfao
Kobe was way too fckin nice to be below them.
@@tyronjasonhuff I love Kobe but other than 3 point shooting MJ was better at literally everything lol.
Absolutely love Tmac and Matt giving Kobe his flowers
^ 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Facts like a mf!! The disrespect to Kobe is an anomaly
@@gott3356 disrespect? Its sad he died but stop acting like he didnt have great teammates. The magic finals is tge only one i remember playing well consitently he's bot better than mj, bron, kareem, duncan,
@@leakman1208 he’s definitely better than all of them you named besides mj!! He’s way beyond lebron. Lebron went ring chasing let’s talk about it !! Tim greatest power forward of all time. Tony Parker & kawhi got finals mvp on his team. Shaq most dominant big man ever!!
@@leakman1208 you mean lebron had plenty of perennial all star teammates, still have more finals losing record than kobe, jumps from ship to ship and still ring chasing? that lebron?
i could watch this all day.... i wish these guys would get together more....
i wish they would talk about stuff like : " if you had the keys to a brand new expansion team , what would your roster look like " or " give me a all time roster that you would love to put together to see play together...
questions like that....
I'd love to hear them dive deep into conversations like that....
or
" if you had to build a team around YOU , what would the 15 slot roster look like ( any player ) "
I would love to tune in for both those conversations.
A classic and modern list makes a lot of sense. I split my lists at the introduction of the 3pt line as the game is so different with floor spacing.
I like That
It's crazy how a lot of people forget to name Duncan. People really don't know how great this guy was. He could easily be 6-0 in the finals with 6 titles if not for Ray Allen's shot.
Ray Allen did what he was paid for
I view Duncan and Kobe as equals. It's easy to forget Tim cause ppl don't bring him up a lot but whenever I remember him I take someone off my list to put him on.
Tmac mention Duncan i thijk
@@BruvahSulaiman Duncan top all 10 period and is ahead of Curry💯💯💯 Both KB & Duncan is ahead of Curry period! I’m a huge fan of Steph but imho? He really only has 2 rings if we’re being real! A b2b 73-9 Finals team with 1 🏆 won already signs the 2nd best plyr in the NBA the very next yr? How tf is that fair nor should it counts. Wtf did ppl think was gon happen with 🐍 KD joining 73-9 Warriors team? Lmfao wtf smh. But to each their own I guess.
Yes is he didnt lose he would p
0f won. Good job sherlock here is a 🍭
The same way we see these Legends defending Kobe by saying “go guard him”
20 years from now we gone see the current players defending Steph being Top 10 saying the same thing
“You ain’t have to guard him”
Steph is gonna be looked at very positively by his peers and the next generation looking back
Bruh kobe and steph not on same level stop it
@@hnn8759 curry better than kobe by far
@@hnn8759 didn’t say he was, but it’s still a fact all these guys played against Kobe
When players in Currys era retire you’ll hear the same kinda stories about him too but for now they’re competing against him
@@hnn8759 curry is better and I am a Lakers fan. Kobe shot like 43-46% from the field and was high volume thats not top 3 all time.
@@nikoslala2111 kobe has like 12 all defensive teams and scores more than curry no way you serious lmao
How have I been missing this? I love the commentary. They're giving non-politicized answers.
Gil has me rolln. We did the mikan and reverse mikan everyday right after shot progression. I’m not gonna lie it helped tho. Even tho it focuses on touch around the rim It’s also a foot work drill
What people don’t understand is the nba top 75 is like a museum not necessarily the top 75 players ever. And as we know the best art doesn’t necessarily make the museum just the most important moments.
Subject, but I like it
Great way to put it
Facts
I agree and Vince Carter should be there
False your describing the nfl hall of fame nba is more picky on who they let it granted it’s people that was nice but was not that great big names don’t mean best game
How they putting KD in the top 10 and debating if Curry is there? They must be high. KD needed Curry to win a chip and wasn't the bus driver. They have to understand when you debate top 10 you have to split hairs. It's that close. If you out it's no disrespect, it's not saying you a scrub but everybody that was nice can't be there. Curry is easily top 10 and higher. His winning, shooting and impact on the game its legendary.
nigga he MADE curry his robin you goofies acting like draymomd ain’t recruit him go get mad at draymond 😂
Gil said they look at the sheet
@@whatsgoingonouthere1422 they basically saying one v one who is best and curry not hooping on anyone in top 10 without screens
What fucking defense does curry play please stop your shit bro
@@etuali1038 KD couldn't hoop on iso defense from Smart, Jason and Tatum.. They clamped on KD; Smart did good guarding Steph; Steph smoked everyone else on the C's. Who KD smoke?
You realize Ty said defences are focused on Steph.. The head of the snake my guy
Love this kind of content it's so real
It’s funny how the media works when they like a person off the court cause before Kobe passed it was literally like a wave of these nba analyst trying to convince people that Kobe wasn’t a top 10 player of all time. Kobe then passes and since that moment they don’t debate it anymore for obvious reasons
Fast forward to Steph winning this cake walk ring & now he’s just edged in stone in the top ten with no debate? Oh I see how this works…..
Bro the putting kd in the top 10 for some reason and curry just won a ring they already saying he not top 10 you know how the world is you not getting respect until you go💯
@Kwame Kimoko Facts it’s my own fault letting these dudes irritate me like this lol
Gil is never afraid 😱 to say what’s on his mind. - No Chill Gill
He burned somebodies house down lol
He’s ignorantly hilarious!!! They need guys like him on these shows for sure!!!
he is just a low basketball IQ guy
@@nsa4613 Partially right but partially wrong. He said Bird stats weren’t special…. Bird had a 29.9 ppg , 9.3 rebound, 6.1 assists, 1.6 steals season on 53/41/91 shooting splits lol
He kept quiet when everyone was saying Kobe over bron 😂
They need a top 10 of each era
Top 10 of 60’s and 70’s irrelevant
What’s defined as an era in basketball? A Decade?
The problem with that is it’ll put players like Anfernee Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, and Carmelo Anthony on Top 10 lists for decades they were great in, which would water down the credibility of what “top 10” means.
@@NellyMoney35 that's tough cos Dr J was a demon
@@NellyMoney35 so is 80s and 90s lol, straight plumbers
@@NellyMoney35 60s and 70s is relevant. Russell, Wilt, and Kareem created a path for bigs.
Thank you Matt for giving love to Barkley, he's so slept on
Shoes off, snacks I'm the middle, watching TV in the background...all is missing is some blunts. Loving these clips.
Dream is top 10. had the least amount of help ever in winning a title then took a 6 seed to win it all to go back to back.
Beat every top center he ever faced head to head in the playoffs. INCLUDING kareem and the loaded lakers in 86 in only his 2nd year. with 1 all star teammate ralph sampson
AND DPOY...TWICE.
great, but if it wasn’t for Jordan retiring, he might not have won a championship. Steph, for example, not only he won 4 times over a lot of people’s GOAT, he literally changed the way the game is played. I don’t see how this isn’t great enough to not be top 10, and if I need to take Hakeem out I would. It’s not only about skill.
not yet, Dream is the best defensive player to ever play the game. And he averaged 28 on top of that. saying MJ winning is purely hypothetical those bulls teams were burnt out as stated by those same players. MJ needed those 2 years to recharge.
Kareem was 40 years old in 1986, Ralph and Hakeem get no credit for that. Also the Rockets got the right matchups in their championship runs. Seattle gave Houston fits during those years but didn't play them in playoffs.
@@nicksmith7167 nope. Kareem was 38 was still dropping 23ppg. a little research wouldnt hurt.
Steph was injured a lot in his career he just started becoming more consistent with staying healthy and he’s catching up 🏌🏽
Lay off the fentanyl bruh
What more is there to catch up on tho? He has more MVPs than some guys in the top 10, more rings, greatest shooter ever, only unanimous MVP ever, and he’s still going.
Jordan Kobe Curry
Curry gets 1 more it's Jordan then Curry, Me personally I say it's Curry as the Goat.
Curry gets 2 more he's undoubtedly the Greatest of all Time.
@@redpillproductions7187 Never , dude plays one half of the court while Jordan plays both
He just had to get healthy and he benefitted from New Ownership which executed a vision!
5:13 I was wondering why the odds of the Celtics winning was so high. Even though I am a Warriors fan, there's no way the Warriors with their system had no chance.
Great mix. I would love to see Matt Groening animate this convo.
You can't have KD top 10 and not Steph. Let's see him win without Steph first. It's not like he's been on trash teams before the Warriors either.
I don't understand how KD is even considered top 10, he really hasn't accomplished anything besides that MVP. Those 2 chips with the Warriors Steph and those guys set the table for him he didn't really "earn" those, he has to prove himself. Steph proved himself twice without KD so yea it is what it is 🤷🏽♂️
When he said he had kd top ten And it was bc of accomplishments and championships and mvps I literally thought well how tf is Steph not in before kd lol
Finally I thought I was crazy, Curry definitely deserves it more, a lot more, not even close!
@@crosswiz6 kd joined the warriors and made steph his robin led the league in scoring 4 times won a mvp a 12 time nba all star made the all nba first team 6 times yall get mad cause he dgaf wat da media think and chose the team he wanted 2 go 2😂
@@DogIn1993 Whats your point? Steph has his accolades too. Steph deserves it more than KD. He built those teams from the ground up. He won two times without KD, Steph proved himself KD has not. KD came into HIS team an already made championship team. Steph is the better champion with the better legacy.
If tmac values scoring so much Steph literally averaged 30 his unanimous mvp year AND SAT OUT THE 4TH QUARTER IN 17 GAMES. has a scoring title as well. And he doesn’t see the free throw line as much as others. He’s just hating at this point
TMac don’t know what it means to win
KD literally has 4 scoring titles , curry can’t touch him when it comes to gettin a bucket , and he only shoots like 5 free throws a game
@@michaelkall2413 KD is probably the greatest scorer ever.
@@michaelkall2413 Kd can’t touch him when it. Comes to winning 💀and also if Steph took as many iso shots as Kd not even iso nearly as many shot attempts Kd takes he could probably average 35 a game 😂
Steph has *2* scoring titles…at 6’2”. KD is 7’1”. 🤷🏾♂️
Great show.
How I make my list…..I do by position first then by players… I look at accomplishments, moments, whether they played defense, impact outside opposition 💯
Tmac listed 10 guys, then said “Oh plus Lebron.” And then there’s Steph… But then he says KD in his top 10 too? How tho 😂
He was just listing guys so they could say who they were taking off, I don't think he actually had his Top Ten worked out solid before this ep
Kd won two finals mvps and Steph won 0 while he was there
@@Thanosdidtherighthing And? Iggy won the mvp when he was on the Warriors, was he better than Steph?
Thank you for finally putting respect ✊🏿 on Kobe24 name
Players, actual players, always put respect on his name, its these bum ass media personalities that dont know a damn thing
Thats not respect. Thats delusion. Kobe is not a top 10 player let alone better than Curry or lebron
@@nikoslala2111 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@nikoslala2111 LMFAOOO aye…connect me to your plug cause that’s some good sht 💨 you on right there
@@kobebryant33824 💯
When you think about the whole notion of “Be like Mike”, Kobe is the closest possibility to it. If MJ is 1, Kobe is right behind at 1 A. I’ll do Kobe one better by saying he got 2 without a Pippen like player alongside him. People just don’t want to admit how good he was. Every basketball player ever talks about him with so much respect and reverence. He deserves it all.
The entire video is engaging! Former athletes will make a killing in this new media era.
I'm with Gil, it's tough to make all time lists when the pre 1980 era was just so different.
Can’t really knock great players for the comp they were given. I believe players like wilt, Baylor , pistol p and west would acclimate to modern nba rather easily
Yea I have 2 separate list. The modern era for me starts in the 80’s when Magic and Bird came in.
If its top 10 post 1980 my top 10 in no particular order is MJ, Lebron, Magic, Duncan, Kobe , Kareem , Bird, Shaq, Hakeem and Steph. I think this is consensus top 10 post 1980
@@cezaryadamski8786 A top 10 without Oscar Robertson is no top ten
@@cezaryadamski8786 Agree with your list but I can't put Steph ahead of Durant, not yet at least and neither has finished their story.
NBA players who beat Steph for 1st team selections: CP3, Russ, Harden, Lillard, and Luka. All of whom combine for 0 rings, and no one would say those guys are greater than Steph, so context matters here.
Well said
Dumbass doesn't mean they were not better
To think back at the first team selections now, Book and Tatum don't belong there over Steph. I mean they never did, but looking at how they performed... The disrespect to a 3 time champ (at the time) is real.
@@Luca-yb4sh well I understand why they were picked bc Steph had a horrible shooting slump after he broke that record, plus he got injured after the all star break. I understand it’s a regular season award and some of those guys deserve it when they got it.. my only contention w TMac is holding a lot of weight in it. Like that can’t be used to split hairs.. for instance, Kobe and Steph are ranked around the same area on my all time list. If we just look at 1st team selections, Kobe blows Steph out the water... but Kobe played in an era with really no great SGs.. Dwade, Reggie Miller, Ginobli, maybe AI depending on whether he was playing SG or PG in certain seasons.. I mean those guys aren’t real competition. the greats were SF in that era.. TMac, Vince, Paul Pierce. BUT I’ll take Steph all day over Kobe based off his finals performances, FG%, and ability to make his teammates better.
This needs more likes
2:08 “You would assume…”😂😂😂💀
I love this combo of people
I’d rather listen to ex players make their all time rankings than the media. This guys know what it takes to be great so they know who’s great or not
These list will always change as time goes on
Except I don’t ever see MJ being knocked off top spot. He arrived in the league at the perfect time and dominated the golden era
@@GoGetYourShinebox Statically, Wilt is the GOAT.
@@09thespecialone But considering stats, accolades and most importantly rings… can’t see MJ being beaten. Especially those 2 3peats… it’s hard enough to do it once
@@GoGetYourShinebox Yes, that is the media narrative. But numbers are numbers. Even MJ knows that he’s not the best ever…Wilt was bigger than the sport itself. His domination at his peak is unheard of. Let’s be real here. Most of his records will never be broken.
@@09thespecialone It's easier to accumulate stats (or for some stat-pad) than it is to lead a team to a championship
Damn I agree with you guys. I wondering all the time who be making these lists.
Gotta love Gil! "AAU!" 🤣🤣🤣
9:25
“The narrative” about MJ’s goatness is there cuz it’s legit. Mike’s resume is ungodly. & he did it all in such a short amount of time, 11 years.
How do you have KD above Steph when KD doesn't have a chip or FMVP for that matter without Steph?
LOL you really think gsw winning those two against lbj without kD, draymond would disagree 😉
Man steph fans so delusional asf sometimes, without Kd y’all not beating Cleveland 😂
@@marksines1246 You really think lbj getting to finals with out Kyrie and Wade, some would disagree
@@trill5563 what's delusional is you talking about delusion, then bringing up a crazy delusional hypothetical.
@@marksines1246 I know that we don't know, but this year year just proved that is they literally got anyone better than Barnes then yes they would 100% win, but they would still win even if nothing changed.
I think that the majority of 'All stars' come down to the NBA's viewer interest tbf. Without a doubt, Curry's all stars will continue to grow as such an impactful player to todays game.
his shooting ability is the best the NBA has ever seen. he's in a class all by himself.
Kobe definitely deserves more respect
Kobe ain’t top 3
@@Johenz good thing that’s your opinion
@@Johenz kobe isnt top 10 tbh
Kobe not top 10 fanboy
Most players do.
Put some damn respect on Kobe. Thank you tmac and Matt. Go guard that man. Mfs reading numbers off paper. If you watch the game and understand the game, Kobe is top 3 for you. Go guard him.
I'd rather guard Kobe than Shaq.
What Kobe did was legendary
It's always been crazy to me the constant kobe disrespect. Only two players in nba history have 9 first team all nba selections and 9 time first team all defense....mj and kobe. That is it....that's the list. Yet mj is considered the goat, which he definitely is, but others have kobe barely top 10 or outside top 10. Makes no damn sense.
@@JezusSlaves Shaq went up against no other great centers during those runs. In the 90s, Hakeem was taking his lunch money.
@@him4882 he was not in his prime in those years. He was still a beast though, while Kobe had to develop when he was young
Steph first season was in 2009, kd in 2007, Lebron 2003 they should have more points and chips and steph out her catching up with missing 2 seasons.
10:00 for sure. Everything was about Mike and they haven’t forgot it. Well deserved but not fair to the viewers. Just like Tiger Woods, compared to Jack N, on paper Jack is a better golfer. Tiger was a supercharged golfer.
Kobe needs to seriously be considered when talking about MJ
I love Gil, he always sounds crazy then he explains his thought process and he makes perfect sense.
He doesn’t
@@showgamez5257 you doesn't!
trash
@@anthonystroman8407 🗑
The people that came before us paved the way and faced harder challenges than we ever will but that is life, it's about improving and making it a better and easier future for those up next, in turn, we all must pay our respects and respect those who came before its a repeated cycle
Arenas should do more podcasts…. I like his energy…. It’s feels honest and not bias!!!!
this is literally HIS podcast. Peep the channel and subscribe
It’s so humbling to see that tmac isn’t cocky about ball or his criticism and his Jersey is in the room ik he see it but shout out to tmac💯💯
That's me all day @4:59 😆😆😆 Yo T-Mac was serious af 😆😆😆😆😆
real ones feel the same. u can be a hater of kobe. if ure a real one, u would feel the same.
On ma lol
Love Gil. Keep it 💯 thanks
True, but I don't agree with him
A lot.
Barkley wasn't one sided at all
His ability to Box out and rebound was a form of defense it's self.
And Barkley blocked more than his fair share out shot..
He just wasn't 7ft
True, but I don't agree with him
A lot.
Barkley wasn't one sided at all
His ability to Box out and rebound was a form of defense it's self.
And Barkley blocked more than his fair share out shot..
He just wasn't 7ft
He changed the game. That's the statement right there. There isn't a lot of guys who have changed the way the game is played.
I love these guys.. straight truth
Curry got more rings then everyone on the show and they still down playing him smh
Steph got more rings than tmac ever won rounds
@@greatest599 steph "bad finals" 2016 was 23 ppg in 58%ts% . T mac(who couldnt guard a chair) had 22 ppg in his PLAYOFF career with 51% ts% and 29% from 3. And he cries cause he wasnt in the top75🤭
gtfoh . Rings don't make you better.Just bc your team won don't make you better individually than other people. Why nobody talk about how steph don't hold none of the top pgs . He didn't do it 4 or 5 years ago either. I don't respect a sucka who don't take a challenge. I seen Jimmy butler tell the coach I'm guarding him. Now that's a leader.
Rings are team accomplishments. Accolades don't tell the whole story either. Some accolades haven't existed the whole time. Like DPOY. It started in the 80s and the players we know played since the 60s.
@@JamesHall415 lmaoo yeah that’s a leader that’s at the crib watching Curry wins championships.. a leader wouldn’t have took that dumb ass shot .. a leader would have just drove on Al horford and tied it up.
See, tmac willing to put kd at top 10 but not curry is blasphemous. It’s ridiculous. Steph has more mvps, more chips, and he is a better leader. It’s silly to put kd over curry
If Steph would stop running of screens so much and stop switching on centers then mabey dude really runs from defense
@@datruth2179 stop talkin about bball ur a complete dimwit. What’s happening when Curry is running round screens? He’s creating havoc n scrambling the other teams D….how many times have u seen him come off a screen where 2 defenders chase him n lose sight of their man leading to a wide open back door cut etc…..or a pass leading to a pass leading to a wide open shooter? U rather KD isolation high post up, jab step, jab step, one dribble pull up while all his teammates are standing watching him 😂….go watch tennis or sumn dingbat.
@@datruth2179 KD got swept by the team steph beat in 6. maybe KD should start running around screens.
1 on 1 tho, KD would body Steph.
@@davidbrown6976 that's why basketball is 5v5....and they got coaches
Love Gil, dude filter is non existent 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣💯
"1985, anybody before that fuck em"
🤣🤣🤣 Love Gil
I like how T-Mac said kobe has been disrespected out of the top 10 but literally just disrespected Lebron until he was reminded
Just basic human error I’m 100% sure he wasn’t trying to disrespect bron. He always gives bron his flowers
@@ajeff4730 I know I’m just pointing it out I love Mac just a funny coincidence
Forgetting to name someone in your list is not disrespect
@@ajeff4730 ain’t no basic human error how tf you start your list without mj and bron that’s top 2 however you wanna put it
He hates Lebron. Not the first time.
GA take on this is not independent at all . The amount of Disrespect Kareem Gets is unreal . The man was a winner at every level of competitive BB. Jordan’s impact was not solely BB , he internationalized the NBA. Magic and Bird stabilized it , and gave it the momentum and following it needed. There will never be IMO an agreed upon top 5 or 10 , at least not in order.
I Feel arenas keeps comparing Every player to his own abilities.Nothing wrong with that, but he misses the ( impact ) point vs abstract BB.
The impact thing is timing. If Steph was in the same time frame as the aforementioned players, he'd have made the similar impact. It's hard to make an impact when the game has already evolved.
Arenas doesnt understand top 10 greatest players is based on accolades not skills
@@cezaryadamski8786 personally I take out Wilt and put in Steph.
Cause honestly if we're being fair here, out of the whole top 10, Wilt won the least at 2 rings. Every one else has 3, 4, 5, 6, and 11(Although Wilt directly was impacted the majority of his career By the 11).
@@cezaryadamski8786 You are telling a borderline Hall of Famer with a very clear Point of View He doesn’t understand How players some of which he played against are evaluated ?
@@DualityUnlimited please tell me u weren’t referring to Gil when u said borderline hofer. Cause he’s knowhere near a borderline hofer. Mans had a 4 year peak of decent allstar numbers and some first round exits, and was out of the league by the turn of the decade.
Gil has a point tho we gotta start bringing out these old school cats out the top 10
Damn, Gil... that George Mikan shit was cold. lol
Steph a beast, I’m sorry he changed the game and has 4 rings.. he’s top ten.. eventually
Im wondering why this is even a question. If he isnt at this point you just dont like him. He is the only unanimous mvp ever. He has the 3 point record for both regular and post season with a lot more years left. He has completely changed the way the game is not only played but also approached and now has 4 titles
Kinda irresponsible as a fan to make that comment without naming your top 10 for context. So who’s your top 10?
@@mobetta2092 it doesnt really qualify anything to put a list up but what I will say is that there arent but maybe a small handful of players that has had not only the trajectory of career hes had but also provide as big of an impact on baskestball period plus hes the only guy on any top list thats limitless once he reaches half court
@@rossjeffries3522 compare his list to who you believe should be in the top ten
@@rossjeffries3522 compare his list to who you believe should be in the top ten
@@VonJay why? So we can go back and forth and argue on something we wont agree on? If you dont have him top 10 thats on you
Hahaha Gil is funny man
Dope Content
Why is Josiah always playing with his phone 😐. Dude sitting with T Mac and playing with his phone. Smh
I’ve noticed that 😂
Maybe he just nervous LOL
Josiah is a twitter legend. He’s not missing anything on socials.
He prolly has talking points on it since he moderates the show … that’s my bet .. but I feel you if not !
Damn he need permission?😭
There's been 4500 players to play in the league.
Too much value is placed on the Top 10
Being top 25 out of 4500 players
Is just as impressive as being top 10
Top 25 out of 4500 is 0.06
Top 10 is 0.02
That's negligible
That's why most people who make these list have 15 players in their Top 10
Top 25 is not as impressive as the top 10. Just like top 10 is not as impressive as Mount Rushmore. Shannon Sharpe said it better than I could: even in the Hall of Fames, there's levels.
They should do the list like this then,
1A Jordan
1B LeBron
2A Kareem
2B Magic
3A Russel
3B Bird
4A Shack
4B Kobe
5A Duncan
5B Steph
6A Dream
6B Wilt
7A Oscar
7B KD
8A Dr J
8B West
9A Moses
9B McHale
10A Barkley
10B Thomas
@@hayskig1226 they do list like that. It’d be called a top 20😂yours jus goofy looking
@@eliporter3980 lmao thank you, for your comment. Thank you for making sense.
That’s not a negligible difference lol. It’s 3x harder to be Top 10 than Top 25. Your math is right, your conclusion is wrong.
2:58 hilarious. t-mac in there too now
*Steph wins his 10th ring at the age of 40, as a starter, averaging 30 ppg over the season, and 45/10/10 in the Finals as the Warriors sweep the entire playoffs*
Media: iS sTePh tOp 10 yEt???
To say anyone before 85’ doesn’t count is a lazy take, it’s all about context, what they did in THIER time for THIER era is what counts. To compare eras is senseless.
That era with Bill Russell, he was one of the tallest players in the league plus the league only had 8 teams...lol...(why you think no one puts Bill Russell in the goat conversation, he was a great champion not greatest player). The 80's players changed the way basketball was played, a player that would have played center in Russell era was playing point guard. I would start from 1980 and on....
But he’s consistent lol at the very least
@@lakerraiders9285 Bill Russell was 6’8 on a good day and standing on a phone book.
@@lakerraiders9285 yep. Man wouldn’t average 22 boards in the 90s
@@johnlewis399 He prolly wouldn't, but since Rodman averaged bout 19 and was about a little shorter, the narrative gotta die that Bill couldn't do similar. Not like anyone outside of Bill and Wilt were doing rebound numbers like that in their time.
Very valid point on Mikan
wanted to see more... 😤
Lmao Gil funny as hell
T-mac with the prediction of the year, that they gonna try to put curry over lebron now and the just happen at ESPN Lmao
Lol Bron gotta knock warriors out the playoffs and win #5 and he know it lmao
Bro I get curry just won the chip and finals mvp but curry not fucking wit bron dog 😂😂
Tracy headed for grouchy old man territory. How in the hell can KD be in the top 10 when he greatly benefitted from steph's gravitational pull? Tracy gonna take Skip's place in the naysayers line. smh
Steph is who he want KD to be and he can’t stand it lmao
If he’s a grouchy old man he wouldn’t have KD in he’d talk like Barkley saying he needs to drive the bus. Complete opposite.
@@drpimpen Tmac never made the finals so he wouldn’t know about driving a bus
@@whooptiwu1481 actually he made it to 2013 finals with the Spurs.
@@drone1028 lmfaooo you’re making my KD = Tmac thing even better but I guess by y’all logic Tmac was the bus driver for that spurs team right
This should also be a new podcast with just this crew
i wanna ask t grady if him gilbert and kobe nd tim got the euro step could you guard them, and how would their numbers look then?
Love TMac but sayin KD got all the accomplishments and diminishing the 2 scoring titles 4 titles 2 MVPs n the 1 unanimous .. da all nba teams that curry got... cnt diminish da boy curry at 6'3.. he got chips.. nd avg 30 in th last one.. n high 20s in all da rest except 16
Hardware is important but the eye test is just as important . Skill set and peak playoff performances matter. Context and circumstances also are important when it comes to splitting hairs. Robert Horry has 7 rings but no one would say he was better than T-Mac or Barkley who have no rings.
But curry has both eye test and hardware. Stop being a hater. Damn
@@Pointyshoes00 Everyone is always a hater when they don't say the talking points you agree with lol. Interesting you stopped at eye test and hardware and didn't mention skillset and peak performances but that is OK lol. What is understood don't need to be said lol. Emotionally triggered people usually resort to name calling instead of presenting evidence instead of opinion Carry on!
@@PhenomenalJSP in your opinion is Curry in the top 10?
@@PhenomenalJSP you didn’t say anything of context following your lame point. Stop tryna sound smart on social media.
@@Emanuel-bm9vn There is an argument for it but I don't believe it is definitive i. e. he is on/at the fringe.
You the man Gilbert! So cool and loved you when you were on my Warriors. I love how you said anything in the 85 era and before is trash including players cars etc. it’s absolutely true things evolve and get better including technology and techniques. When I watch games from the 90’s they look slow compared to todays nba action. So why would you say the Bulls might sweep the 2017 Warriors?? 🤔
Gil talkin that real 🗣💯💯
One thing they didn't take into account was that Steph entered the league at the age of 21. And he had ankle problems for the first three seasons.
Why they should take this? No one forced him enter the league at the age of 21 and had ankle problems.
i think they simply feel that while curry is obviously great, hes never been the absolute best player in the league for a decade run like mj kobe and bron. hes been elite for damn near 8 tho so
@@Munchkkinz hes changed the entire game of basketball on every level
@@zeshawnali5676 How did Curry change the game?
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 you living in a cave or what? 😂
The jump and advancement in the NBA from the 70s to the 80s was quite remarkable.
We can 100% absolutely thank Michael Jordan for the modern era! Before him it was Bird and Magic...Jordan revolutionized basketball for history. Everything now is an evolution of where Jordan started in 84.
He will forever be the GOAT!
Edit: correction
I think you mean Bird and Magic, Bird and Larry are the same dude
@@edwardaverros3028 Ong I was bout to say the same shit
Facts
@@edwardaverros3028 🤣🤣🤣🤣 never forget he had bird and Larry at first 🤣
1000% agree with arenas, today’s ferrari would smoke 80’s 90’s even 00’s ferrari
Just like in basketball
comparing jordan 12 bulls season vs anybody 20+ season make him the goat automatically
The modern day NBA started when the NBA and ABA merged 🙏🏾
Well this was unexpected and dope as fuck lmao don’t get me used to this group and take it away dam it 😂
I put Steph before Magic. If Steph was on the showtime Lakers they’d of won everything back then. People talk about KD on the warriors to dampen Steph like Magic didn’t have Kareem and Worthy right next to him ON TOP of good role players.