The VERY Messed Up Origins of OOMPA LOOMPAS | Classics Explained
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I’m not a big Dahl fan but I’m completely against censorship of any form. I agree, you don’t like it, don’t read it. Find something else that makes you happy ❤
Do where the wild things are, the book and the movie traumatized me
Can you please do a video on the messed up origins of Charlie and the chocolate factory as a whole?
Please make a video all about The Jungle Book story titled The White Seal by Rudyard Kipling please
@@frankd4581 there’s a chuck jones adaptation of that white seal story!
It's genuinely disgusting that publishers think it's okay to go against the wishes of a Deadman who can't speak for himself anymore
I’m so sorry we have to edit your post to fit a more modern audience,
It now says “ I am disgusted a deadman can’t speak anymore.”
Welcome to capitalism. Where the tragedy of the commons is replaced by the assumtion of the tragredy of the commons by a board room of people too rich to ever know what people actuallu think.
Meanwhile; we are still waiting for an example of the tragedy of the commons in the real world
@@gerbill13 lol that got me pretty good
Just like Chadwick Boseman, who actually wanted to be replaced as T'Challa in the Black Panther sequel. But instead, Disney Marvel just killed off his character, so they could have more girl power.
@@gerbill13 Dead person, non binary people will be offended by your post
"They forget they have the option to not partake" is the perfect description for modern audiences.
That is my entire argument with most censorship. You definitely have the right to what you choose to read or allow your child to read. You do not have the right to choose what is available for me to read.
Wow was that the underlying commentary that was being made? I’m so glad you decided to partake in yet another useless CZcams comment
@@michaelpacinus242 ......sorry, did you *just partake* in "another useless CZcams comment"? I'm so glad you were here to give this some kind of value.
@@TitularHeroine nah, mine was unique in that it called out the nature of youtube comments. It’s meta. It’s a martyr. And you have ad hominem ass logic, btw.
@@michaelpacinus242Go outside lmfao
I'm on the same page with Jon. An author altering his own work is fine. His publisher doing it after his death is a travesty. If a company can no longer stand behind a work it has published for years, stop publishing it and sell the rights to a different company.
A different company that will alter it to fit their profit-model. You haven’t taken a high road.
I'm not much of a reader anymore, but there should be some laws that protect works like these from being altered, even if owned by a publisher. A literature Smithsonian if you will.
We can't dismiss an authors work or the past because of someone's feelings.
@@alexz.8302 there should be laws to keep books overtly racist…got it
They could simply leave a note at beggining. I got a recent edition of the secret garden that has sort of a disclaimer about how the book was written a long time ago and some descriptions of characters and locations may be seen insesitive by modern audiences. Simple, effective and didn't touched a word of the original book.
Plus it's interesting and important to people, specially kids, to see and compare how europeans/white people viewd the world...
@@luluscaglione why is it so important that no books can ever be changed, though?
Librarian and Museum Curator here and it is really really important not to glorify the nasty parts of the history, but also not to erase them either. They must be pointed out and learned from and changing an original work denies the populace that opportunity!
One would suppose that the facts should stand on their own; the reader/museum patron should be free to form their own opinions without influence. It is not the institution's job to put forth *any* opinion.
@@baldeagle5297 i agree but no one and no institution is ever truly neutral. That must be acknowledged as well.
@@ariellenathanson2593 Perhaps, but the facts are completely neutral. Let them speak for themselves without editorializing.
@@baldeagle5297 That's impossible. Facts become colored by those who present them due to implicit bias. All we can do in a museum setting is acknowledge that and try to mitigate best we can. But total mitigation is simply not possible.
This isn’t a “nasty” part of history at all. This is the ORIGINAL intention of the Willy Wonka character before publishers forced Dahl to toss the whole inherent metaphor of the story out the window.
In the original take, Willy Wonka was a cane twirling, top hat wearing transatlantic billionaire who devastated an entire community by laying off his entire workforce without notice, all so he could REPLACE them with African slave labor that he wouldn’t have to pay.
The story was more of an allegory in the original draft.
A quote from 1984 “Every record has been falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue, street, and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. This is literally what puffin books did and it appalling
I never thought of it that way. good job.
@@wendigos_eat_people7177 Thank you, kind stranger
Wow! How true is that coming now. Keep
I am a children's librarian and I think it's reprehensible that the UK publishers would go against Mr Dahl's wishes and then continue to reap the rewards from his life's work! The most striking thing you said, Jon is that people forget that they can just choose to not partake. If you don't want your kids to read something, fine, that's your perogotive as a parent. But NO ONE has the right to choose for others. Changing the text is even more insidious than an outright ban and it's a very scary and slippery slope that I pray will not continue downwards
I feel like a lot of this so-called sensitivity stuff came about because parents don't want to actually parent. I work in a bookstore and see it all the time. Parents come in and ask us, the booksellers, what's in the books we're selling (as if we have time to read them all) instead of either researching the titles or (gasp) reading them WITH their child so that they can discuss any issues that come up. I've read a lot of Dahl's book with my daughter; her favorite is The BFG (which I would love to see an episode on one day).
the children (and most of the adults) are all examples of how not to be, and the oompa loompa songs in the gene wilder version really hammer that point. it's a lesson like many other fairytales to teach kids how to behave properly. anybody offended by their descriptions or whatever clearly is insecure about their own flaws and nobody wants to feel shame or take any responsibility for their actions anymore.
@@SpeedOfThought1111 I definitely agree with this!
I'm surprised they haven't changed the title of that to the AOP average overall person!🤣😂
Think he did that. I know Tale Foundry did a vid on it.
I don’t think any classical literature should be censored without the authors input. If the author is dead and it is really something that would be considered offensive I think a simple page at the front of the book explaining when the book was written and how it differs from views now is perfect. If we censor everything we will eventually never have anything to look back on that shows peoples point of views throughout history which we can learn from.
I'd like to like this comment many times over, please.
History should not be forgotten for then we are doomed to repeat it.
The statement at the beginning of the book to explain different times and ideas is great. This is to to help children learn the history at the time of its publishing.
With the author already editing his own novel to show changes in respect to other cultures, this can be another point that librarians and teachers use. But to go in by committee and change every possible possibility of some offense or discomfort changes the novel completely. I believe that even Mr. Bowdler did not change Shakespeare's plays so much it changed the meaning. I am glad that other publishers are not printing the new British rewrite.
When dealing with another medium like TV and movies, all novels get changed in some ways. Novels usually have more events and adventures and characters. Scripts change events, remove whole scenes, totally change the characters; but the show should still keep the essence of the book. Then it is our time to decide if it succeeds.
If youre a racist shit that page can be ripped out before you give the book to your child to help perpetuate your racist ideas and enforce in your child that your racist views are the right ones.
I agree with everything you have said, this is treating children like they are not smart enough to decipher descriptive words. This in no way protects them it only stifles their imaginations.
Pretty much what I was thinking too. Because of all the screens and information in our faces, why should we have an imagination or form our own opinions when someone will do it for us. 🤦🏼♀️
7:46 “pants” in the UK and Ireland almost universally means “underwear”, “trousers” mean the same as “pants” in North America. I found this out as a teen visiting family in Ireland years ago when my cousin looked genuinely horrified because I asked to borrow a pair of his “pants” because “I got mine dirty”.
No excuses for any of the other edits though.
Lol 🤣👍🏻
Funny thing is there was actually a Victorian doctor who thought removing teeth was a cure all.
I'm glad to see so many people in the comments agreeing with Jon and not berating him.
Its less of a messed up origin of Oompa Loompas and more of a messed up future for them
This kind of 'editing' after the man's death is basically the concept behind George Orwell's 'Thought Police' in 1984.
Accept it's not. Editing a work of fiction that is about a chocolate factory so it's a little less racist is not the same as the mind control that goes on in 1984. Sure, both are not great to edit somebody's work when they're dead. But comparing that to the torture mind control gaslighting cultish behavior of 1984 is just so asinine. And when you use that example to describe something so silly as editing a child's book, you water it down. In fact, you dilute the initial messaging of the book.
I think the word your missing is 'censoring'. That is NOT the same thing as just editing a work of fiction. People tried to censor his work without his knowledge or consent. That is EXACTLY like what you find in 1984. He eventually made some adjustments on his own, but it was his material, so he could do whatever he wanted with it.@@LLandS18
@@wesleycolvin7158 except it's not the same. Nobody's being physically tortured nobody's being murdered. Nobody's being sent to re-education camps because they disagree with the government. You see the difference. You're like one of those people who look at the awful human rights atrocities going on in North Korea and think it's the exact same thing as the Americans having to pay a little bit more for groceries. It's not the same thing. Both are bad but they're not in the same league. It's like looking at a Ferrari and a Honda fit and thinking because they're both cars are the exact same thing. Just asinine.
Honestly, you comparing the systematic torture murder rape re-education camped that go on in 1984 to a book written by an author about a chocolate factory and calling it the same thing is just so insane. One is people literally being murdered and tortured. The other is just a different copy of a book existing with ith a few edits. I mean the original edit copies still exists everywhere all over the world. You can get digital copies of it. It's not like it's gone from the face of the planet. They're not the same thing. Factor double downing on that lunacy and trying to compare the two is just so ridiculous.
Edit and if the author wanted to protect his material, he shouldn't have sold off the rights to a publishing company. He no longer owns that once you sell the rights to something, it's like if I sell you my car I no longer have the right to that car anymore. I can't tell you once I sell you the car that you're not allowed to paint it purple with green dots. Because it's not my car anymore. That's literally capitalism. It's all the foundation of our very economic system.
Why do you think Taylor Swift is spending millions of dollars re-recording her music ? I'm going to tell you why because that way she has complete control of her music not some music executive. He had ample opportunity and money to do the same and he didn't. So these are the consequences. That the people who now own the property you sold them can do what they want with it. That's what he did. He sold him his property. His writings his book well receiving royalties from the sale of his book. Like it's not hard to understand.
@@LLandS18 liberal bot found.
@@Emirthemarvelfanboi oh yes, some of you actually read the book. Must be a bot. You know what did happen in 1984 was book burnings, trying to control people's sexual habits, trying to make everyone conform to one kind of lifestyle. Gee wonder what party trying to do that? Here's a hint. It starts with an r and ends in epublican.
To me, fantasy people like Oompa Loompas are no different than elves , dwarves, gnomes, and halflings. If they are good people and the protagonist doesn’t enslave them or send them off to the company store, I couldn’t care less.
Wonka and Santa, taking advantage of the little man. Oompa Loompas, and elves just can’t catch a break! 😂
To me, they are n words and not the black kind. The orange kind.
Except that they were originally described as black African people. Then being orange and from Oompa Loompaland is fine. Them being brown skinned and from Africa is not fine.
In 1964 there were still Black people being born while being classified by their own governments as less then human. R.D.s original descriptions were most CERTAINLY racist and accepted at the time. A very racist time.
But they should be critically reviewed now as our societies have changed and developed and racism is being called out more often and appropriately.
If people being critical of an old dead artists real world racist descriptions of his make believe demographics and peoples then maybe ask yourself why make believe people matter more to you then real people.
@@leahsundvall5894 Or any of the most marginalised on this planet in work and labour and gencides?
I seriously don't care if they are good, bad, enslaved or not, they are fictional.
I can understand the 1st change, because Dahl did agree he didn't want them compared to real slaves in the past, they were supposed to be an imaginary people from a jungle environment that just lived on cocao beans/chocolate. (Cacao beans are from South America originally any way, so to me as a kid Oompa Loompas being in an African jungle clearly made it a fantasy, but perhaps the book publishers felt most people didn't know where cacao came from, as well as them being too close in description to Pygmies?) But to keep making the story more & more bland by changing stuff after the author's death is just wrong.
Uhmmm… we all watched the same video
Cocoa is grown in Africa especially in West Africa too e.g. in Cameroon and Côte d'Ivoire,
Cocoa beans didn't show up into Africa until after the cSpanish conquistadors brought it there from South America. Same with Peanuts, chili peppers, tomato, and many others.
@@azilbean you sound *so* jealous
@@onege4460 WHAT THE FUCK
11:18 this was a clever way to reference the Tim Burton movie where willy wankas dad is an over protective dentist.
Well put.I agree fully with what you said about the censorship and how you said it.
"... don't change a single comma..."
-We made the changes with respect to...
There’s a fan-made Shrek 2 parody Musical and there are Oompa-Loompas in that, working for the Fairy Godmother. They sing a parody song based on the songs from the Gene Wilder classic. Maybe the Fairy Godmother found them in the Musical’s version of Loompa-Land?
When Erasing History You Are Doomed To Repeat It, These Books Are History.
Learn firm your mistakes Hollywood 😁
@@hackman669
Keep your issues to yourself.
I love Roald Dahl. I understand his metaphor behind the Oompa Loompas. Something can seem so wonderful when you’re the one benefitting from a situation, it wouldn’t even cross your mind to consider what it might be like for those you benefit from.
Side note: “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.” -George Santayana
I haven't watched one of Jon's videos in 4 years, but he looks grown up and his voice is so much deeper😂. Anyways love the video keep up the good work.
Same! But something made me click on this video
i agree with you Jon. Not to mention that when descriptions are removed from Fantasy works, the imagination is stifled significantly.
All. Of. This. ❤❤❤❤
I don't understand what's wrong with "Aren't they fantastic!?" How is that offensive to anyone?
I bought his collection from Costco and was glad to see they are unedited.
Unfortunately, I never came across his works growing up. I really needed Matilda in my life as a gifted child of abusive, neglectful parents.
Imagine if you were nothing but a bunch of holes to be used up and someone points at all your holes and says “aren’t they fantastic?!”
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Btw, the guy below me is gay.
Is your mind fantastic Michael? 😂
I have one of the older versions of Charlie And The Chocolate Factory one that wasn’t censored by Puffin and I find it horrible that someone could cut out bits of a story years old that went directly against the authors wishes.
Roald Dahl actually did change them. I believe only a writer can make changes to their work.
Well, look at it from their side..Dahl is six feet under and can't do a thing to stop them. That being said, Puffin is full of asshats, and by all means should be forced to return Dahl's entire library to any existing descendants.
@@MeghanTheShadeis dahl's wife still alive? Can she do anything about it?
I have a Chinese pubic structure
@@kittykittybangbang9367 I mean, she can try, but she'd be battling against Netflix for the rights to his work at this point in time.
“Aren’t they fantastic!?”
Yep that’s got to be WAYYYY to “offensive”
There are not enough 🤦🏼♀️ emojis to agree with this.
The sequel "Charlie and the glass elevator" does establish the Oompa-loompas as aliens. The pernichious 'nids ate their planet and have been trying to invade earth for years (though they get stopped by earth's atmosphere).
I think in future edits of Charlie and the chocolate factory the Oompas will get replaced by cocoa-powered robots built by Willy Wonka to, y'know, not hurt the feelings of little people.
And then ChatGPT sends a complaint to the editor.
Wait there was a sequel?
@@greengem9132Yeah there's a sequel that will never get adapted because Dahl hated the 70s adaptation so much, that he wished for the sequel to never be adapted.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 dang now I'm curious, I wanna know what happened to the story
I read that when I was a kid and.... Wow, I don't remember any of that. All I really recall from it is that the elevator blasts out of the roof of the factory and that Dahl describes it in a way that totally conflicts with the first book.
Unless they become conscious and then "Metal-humans/beings", maybe, and/or with animism?
I remember the African tribe from the version I read as a kid. Mind, this was from the school library, a small country school and over four decades ago.
Now, I'm wondering if that copy is still there, in that library, or if they ever pitched out their ratty old books and unwittingly -- or knowingly?? -- replaced them with "cleaner" ones. For more context, our social studies texts taught us how there were 48 states (!!!) and that our state was part of the Union army when I knew f$@&!ng damn good and well it wasn't. I called that out in class, and was given some halfassed justification by our esteemed instructor (sarcasm there, kids). Strange days then. And now, too. The public really is a' ass, and moreso collectively.
Thanks for being you, Jon, and for offering clarity to a lot of these things -- despite issues always being nuanced and complex. We appreciate you.
My younger brother's middle school had one of those pull-down maps that still had USSR on it, but this SCHOOL was built AFTER USSR broke up! I don't know how that happened.
@@KasumiKenshirou Wow, that is so wild. 😂 I hope your brother at least had a decent teacher who'd explain that's the way the world looked *in the past.*
Out of date maps were probably on clearance, wouldn’t want our educators to actually have modern and functional materials 😂
Oompa Loompa doopadee doo,
We have the perfect potion for you.
Oompa Loompa, doopadoo dee,
We mix it up fresh, but it won’t be free.
What do you get when you hunt for a witch?
You will pay with a terrible twitch.
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"protecting" people from never seeing or hear things they don't like is setting people up to not have to deal with any obstacles. Which I think is what is causing mental health issues. You don't have to have the tools to deal with negative things . In my opinion of course
Absolutely right!
Factually, not having to deal with obstacles is NOT what is causing mental illness.
@@starsiadrawsit may not be the root cause, but it certainly doesn’t help the anxiety part.
I’ve been on a Jon Solo binge and I’m really enjoying it 🫶🏾
So what’s up, do you think he’s the anti-Christ?
@@michaelpacinus242no, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were drinking buddies. 😜😂🤣😂
I do agree with you that the excessive censorship of classical works can be a dangerous practice… especially if the goal was to prevent “hurt feelings”. This is because it does really protect the feelings of kids but might only mentally handicap their understanding of people of different body types. For example, if they grew up not herring of people of different body types in their stories, they will more likely see thoughts kinds of people as different to them and might not know how to interact with them appropriately. Some censoring for kids books I can agree with (grooming, language, racism, etc), but thoughts are things that we consciously agree to keep children away from and actually might help them. But I do not agree with Puffin Productions censoring because it might cause more harm than good for the younger audience.
You should mail this opinion to Scholastic. Might prevent a similar situation in the future.
So censorship and bans are good when they come from the left? Hypocrites.
All of these changes were made on the grounds that the original language was racist. If you agree racism should be removed then it's up to the publisher to decide what is and isn't racist.
You can't have it both ways.
I think that the "sensitivity readers" are the most sensitive ones here, doling out criticisms while being incapable of taking any themselves.
Though this description of them would probably get removed.
It's the "incapable of taking any" part that would get it redacted.
In Britain, pants means under garments or underwear while trousers mean pants. That's why they changed it. Even though I'm American, I prefer trousers over pants.
"pants" refers to underwear in British English, "trousers" is what we call pants in general in the States, although in the states "trousers" refers more specifically to jeans-like pants (but not necessarily denim or blue).
Odd they would edit a Brit's ues of the word "pants" for "trousers". Maybe Dahl had Charlie walking around in underwear the whole time.
Trousers in the US refers to non-jeans, it's for more formal pants, i.e. "dress pants" or "slacks".
This is what happens when egotistic editors think they got more talent than the OG writers
I would really love to own the original published book versions that Dahl wanted us to read.
Original editions go for $10,000+. There are some from 1971 that go for about $100 but those are revised, and says so. I don’t know how much are left in those few. I’m curious about all the details in them as well. Maybe one day I’ll run into an older version in a bookstore
I actually was able to read the ORIGINAL story (when the Oompa Loompas were from Africa) back when I was in grade school (I'll be 54 in January). This was back in the late 70's and roughly fifteen years after the book was first published. The school I went to actually had both copies (Africa and Loompaland versions) and some how I got the original. It wasn't the first Roald Dahl book I've read (the first was "The Phantom Tollbooth" which was adapted into a mostly animated movie but had live action at the beginning and ending), but it introduced me to a life time of loving fantasy style writing.
I completely agree with your opinion when it comes to this sort of thing. Amazing video! Keep up the great work! 😁❤
Great video! I fully agree with your opinion on censorship
Their psychical appreance has changed more than the Kardashians🤣
He finds a Way to ruin everyone’s childhood❤
Pure talent
@@IAmNotDiluc yup
I love it ❤.
I think normal people understand that these classic books were made in another lifetime. So what maybe strang or off putting was normal place during their day. For instance, in classical children's tales, The worst thing that could happen to a kid was death. Nowadays it wouldn't happen like that, The Wicked Witch would end up taking there iphone.
Children reading or hearing it for the first time don't know that. If parents and teachers don't talk about why such stereotypes are unfair (and many of them don't (parents) or aren't allowed to (teachers) in this day and age) the children have no context, and are likely to perpetuate such oppression.
it's sad that people are so worried about offending people that they ruin our literary experience i mean come on everyone knows that times change and so dose the way things are written it is so stupid that people are so sensitive that they think we need to be shielded from stories i can see Fahrenheit 451 vibes where we become so sanitized we get stupid.
I loved watching your videos on the norse mythology, is there a chance you can do slovic deitys and myths?
The "pants" for " trousers" switch,was probably due to the fact that,in Great Britain, "pants" are what Americans call underwear, tighty whities, boxers, briefs, etc.
Sex reference, haha Victiruan bastards! 😄
Which is odd because Dahl was a Brit. So, maybe he had Charlie walking around in underwear the whole time.
@@redfive5856 .... 😮
No matter the medium, nor the genre, an artist's work should NEVER be revised to suit the masses. The work stands on it's own....or it doesn't.
that's absurd and impossible. you exist in a culture that informs your work, and whether that work stands or not depends on where and when it is released, not just what it is. nothing exists "on it's own".
@@perfectallycromulent except it does. There's plenty of work out there that has stood the test of time and been completely unchanged. Paintings perhaps? People don't always look at a work of art purely in the context in which it was written, because most don't care or think about that. No one reads Lord of the Rings and says "oh better go look when it was written". Works like that or say Dune have stood the test of time because they're genuinely good pieces of work, and probably will be considered so long after our lifetimes. After all the works of say Shakespeare has held up pretty well over a few century.
@perfectallycromulent It exists. It's valid. Even if the artist themself is the only one who sees it. It still has meaning and impact. Bending over for critics only hinders creativity. I'll never get rich as an artist. But I wouldn't give two craps if someone was offended. It's my work. Don't like it? Oh well!
@@paddric9346 99.9% of artists are dirt poor lol I would know lmao
Classic art gets revised all the time. Just look at the Grimm fairy tales! You may have grown up with the Disney versions, like the rest of us. But if you think for even one second that the Disney versions are an exact copy of the original fairy tales the Grimm brothers collected, think again! The original fairy tales the Grimm brothers collected were cautionary tails myths legends and folklore, filled with a whole myriad of dark material cannibalism, torture, Satanism, sexual depravity. You name it. Over the years, those stories have been greatly sanitized, many times over, until finally becoming the kids' stories and Disney movies we grew up with. And I, for one, would find it highly doubtful that this process finished. Far more likely, those classic European fairy tales will be revised many times again in the years decades and centuries to come. In more recent times, we can look to the Wonderful wizard of Oz, by L. Frank Baum as another example. In the original book, Baum was at least experimenting with the idea that Dorothy died in that storm, and the land of Oz was a form of the afterlife, inspired by his experiences with theolosiphy and other occult ideologies he came across in his life, as well as his experiences with child mortality. (Though the original book series was filled with inconsistencies/constant back and forth, that compell me to believe he struggled to really make up his mind about that.) Where as in the Judy Garland movie Dorothy was simply knocked unconscious by a loose window shutter, and simply dreamed the whole thing. In the Zoe Deschanel movie Tin Man, OZ was short for Outer Zone and was described more in terms of extra dimensional reality in the Aretha Franklin movie The Wiz, Oz was more a urban fantasy distortion of New York city possibly a riff on extra dimensional reality overlap or alternate timeline reality, but I'm not sure how much any real explanation is ever given in the story. The actor who played Ambrose/Glitch (The scarecrow) in Tin Man was actually asked in a behind the scenes interview about his thoughts on how much the story of The wizard of Oz was changed from the original book series, and he voiced his belief that it is actually vary important for the great stories to be retold every 50 years - at least every 50 years, to sort of catch up with the generation that missed it. Then, there is the public right to creative use of public domain works. Which granted is a whole other breed of animal but is just as valid a discussion to consider, when the collected works of Raoul Dahl pass into the public domain, and thus cease to be the property of Mr Dahl, his living decendents/legal proprietors of his remaining estate. At that moment each and every detail of those books will belong to the public and the people will be free to do with those books as they please. The recent slasher horror movie Winnie the Pooh blood and honey can be held as a prime example, sadly A.A. Miln, his son Christopher Robin Miln, and Walt Disney can all spin in their graves as much as they want about that movie, but since Winnie the Pooh passed into public domain those stories the characters therein are no longer the property of Disney or the Miln family estate. They lost any and all right to any say in how those stories characters settings or any other element of A.A. Miln's creation is used, or by who, the instant it passed into the public domain. Needless to say, this is a vastly complex topic where any concept of right and wrong depends greatly on what work of art you have in mind and exactly what changes were made. It's far too complex to ever fully discuss in a comments reel.
When you think about it, Wonka's use of African labor is very on the nose. Many, if not all, candy manufacturers get their cocoa beans from Africa, which are harvested by dirt-poor locals, both adult and child labor. A practice that still persists to the very day.
Yeah it hurts so much, even though I’m rather optimistic about the dirt poor locals themselves creating a belated rebellion against the corporations in the future, in massive numbers.
Thanks Jon I appreciate your attention to these ridiculous thought police. I was thinking of how many other Fantasy works
they will attack next. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🏆
Thank god you still are doing this I was binging your stuff they were all from years ago I hoped I wasn’t late.
I love you, Jon Solo. Thank you for your work. It is appreciated!!! Keep doing what you do.
i think that censorship like this is pretty much the modern day equivalent of book burning.
He finds a way to twist movies around😅
I think its important to have open discussions with your kids about the books they read if they contain questionable material not rewrite them in a way so that your kids don't question anything. Books are history.
Oh, do you?
@@michaelpacinus242 Zzzzzing!! I can tell you've been practicing that one for months!
@@TitularHeroine you think beating fire with fire is a thing because you have the mind of a child. You probably listen to npr and think “wow, I’m so smart!” while locking the door as a Dominican guy walks by.
It wouldn't hurt, most likely help. Don't listen to michaelpacinus42, he sounds like a far leftist white hating ,woke ,socialist troll. He's bad mouthing you because what you said is a threat to him and his self hating kind. If more did as you suggested, his kind would be in danger of loosing power.
@@TitularHeroineHe has been trolling every comment by saying "You sound jealous"...cannot be more childish.
Yes yes yes yes yes… Charlie and the Chocolate factory was one of my favorite Ronald Dalh books… I can’t wait for more.
I mostly like the Oompa Loompas from the Gene Wilder film because more than just one person played the Oompa Loompas. There were different faces in each one which made them kind of stand out. I also do like the Johnny Depp film, but all the Oompa Loompas were played by one person and none of them stood out, they looked like clones of the actor. Anyway, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is my favorite story.
Also the loompas looked very foreign, couldn't tell where their country would really be if you didn't read the book
Oof. I said this during the James and the Giant Peach video: Sensitivity readers have a time and place and can be a great asset, but classic works can easily have a question or a worksheet added to the end of the book to encourage discussion on stereotypes or dated aspects of the original texts. This will help children think critically about the text.
Lol the commercial comes up at a funny ti e when you talk about being canceled. Always great videos. Thank you
Let's just rewrite/remake/revise/edit every book, story, statue and historical event that was ever written or ever happened. Would everyone be happy then? Would zey?
My family and I own a bookstore. It always saddens us when we find out text is changed in a book or a book is banned.
Hell some of my favorite books of all time shockingly ended up on a banned list somewhere. Be it The Giver by Lois Lowery or Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut or Lord of the Flies by William Golding. The reasons for said bans, blow my mind.
People would rather hide a relatable story away because sometimes it talks about uncomfortable subjects. But that's exactly what we need. We need to know those situations can and do happen. That we are not alone and that others have experienced something similar or that these situations are absolutely a reality. Be it in a real life situation or with fictional characters. I feel like most banned books are the most empathetic pieces of literature and it truly is a shame we would hide them.
Always Love and enjoy your content 🫡💪🔥
I 100% agree with your views on this. Thank you for your clear and concise layout of the matter.
I think that companies who CENSOR books and music should be put
in jail. it makes no sense to censor a book such as a beloved title as
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. let the original work shine for it's
beauty. if anyone finds a book too sexist or degrading then DON'T
read it.
"Books need to be more racist"
Note taken. 👍
No they don't need to be put in jail. That's the stupidest thing. I've read all day. And I'm sick and I watched a astrophysicist shoot down flat Earth points all day. Jails for people who can make crimes. Not things that hurt your feelings. Or upset your sensibilities. It's funny you're calling everybody else's snowflake while behaving like one yourself.
Edit, although I could say the same to you. If you don't want to read a re-edited book, then don't read it. If it's that simple for everyone else, it's that simple for you.
Also cuz you seem like the type, I don't think they should have edited his work either. I think they should just left it alone with his editing. Because it's his book. But to say someone should be put in jail because it did something that you find upsetting is just ridiculous.
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Love these guys!
I never knew you existed z!! New sub here! I want to watch this now!!
Great video as always! i'm glad to know the truth about the revisions!
ive come to learn "inclusive" is a term used to remove any description of people period. people that stress about it end up just wanting names to be the only difference between people, and thats literally the least inclusive thing you can get!
I love more 1971 version of the movie adaptation with the long late Gene Wilder. I usually see only the Oompaa Loompaa songs and Willy Wonka's solo Pure Imagination on CZcams or the the movie in Internet.
I absolutely wanted recent concur with your assessment of this issue who gets offended by personally identifiers and describing somebody
Lots of love from Nairobi, Kenya Jon
I always had nightmares about Oompa Loompas when I was a kid
Good times ⏲️ Little green haired monsters. Wonder if they are in New film.
I had nightmares about the Oz flying monkeys
Wow. I never really caught on to the evolution. I was child during the 80s and I remember the OG version quite well. I remember the Oompa Loompas being from Africa and being obsessed with cocoa beans. I remember all those graphics.
As a kid I didn’t think anything of the fact that the Wilder movie had changed their appearance. I never saw the edited version of the book.
i wrote a book and self-published it on Amazon. I tried to get it published with a publisher but they wouldn't touch it. It was a historical fiction and I think the problem was, that the main character gets marooned on a Cannibal Coast and the Chief of the Tribe forces him to witness the murder and roasting of his only friend in that place, and when he refuses to partake in the feast, he is starved by the Tribe. This character was based on a real person, and I actually studied the life and history of this person. He really was marooned amongst this particular Cannibal Tribe, they really did have feasts such as the one I described and by the time he was rescued, five months later, he was almost dead from starvation accompanied by a "leprous disease" (scurvy?)
So, I was basically just filling in the blanks of this encounter, as to why he was so starving when he was rescued, when the natural environment in this area is incredibly rich with food!
But no. Africans were never Cannibals and to say they were, is Deeply Racist. So there.
I'm being sarcastic, of course...
Sheesh...
Huge love to your channel from South Africa.
The only upside to them tampering with classic works is that it keeps them on everyone's minds, and less likely to just be deemed out of date is discarded.
Ir ruins it Luke Dusbey Wars! 😪
If the writer(s) want to change their work, then that's fine, it's their writing. When companies think they can censor others works, then they're wrong because it's not their writing and they need to leave it as the original writer(s) intended.
Dude, I couldn't have said it better myself!! EXCELLENT video!!
Great job Jon 👍
Never let them revise a story because someone could be offended
Sent brats home 🏡😆
Ok, gay guy
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Shut up
@@michaelpacinus242
Stop
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Words, sentences, phrases in books should never be altered or change. Why because it literally alters and change the story, it doesn't "hit" like it should
One of your best episodes 👍
I’m so glad I’m back to this page
Roald Dahl's books were an integral part of my childhood, sad to see them over-censored.
I agree with Jon, I don’t understand nor do I think k it’s doing any favours to children by having this censorship in books. Like in this books now does everyone look the same? If you’re not gonna give anyone descriptions, they may as well just be clones of each other: and it’s it worse censoring the words skinny, fat, strong, weak, short, tall because it makes it seem as if people should’ve be any of those things? It’s almost like they’re backwards thinking. Idk, very strange to me
Can you do a messed up origins of Wizard of Oz? I’ve seen some serious stuff there that I think would be great for you to present to us! Also I love your videos KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK! 😁
Can't wait till next week😊
You questioned this, so here's the answer. In the UK, 'pants' is what we in the US would call underwear. What we call 'pants' they call trousers. Since everyone understands 'trousers' without any ambiguity, I'm sure that's why it was chosen.
Strange they'd edit out a Brit's use of the word "pants" for trousers. Maybe Dahl had Charlie walking around in underwear the whole time.
I agree with you Jon, I feel like the revisions of these books are beyond ridiculous, because they’re basically needlessly protecting kids from their own imaginations and replacing them with weird woke nonsense.
I love your videos cuh!!!
Hi Jon! I read these books as a kid and I loved them, even the nightmares I had from The Witches!!! My daughter read these books as well and she loved them too! Neither of us was ever offended by the books themselves, just when the library ran out of copies, and that wasn't the books' fault! I don't understand things that go on in the world sometimes
Because pants to some people means underwear
The beauty of Roald Dahl’s stories is in the world building he creates through descriptive language and made up words.
Stripping his stories of their personalities is counterproductive.
Covering things up and brushing them under to rug only lead to taboo subjects. We should be discussing and tackling these taboos with the next generation, not shielding them from it 🤦🏻♀️
I saw a list of changes to his books once and it always stuck with me that they removed the description of a character blushing. I can only assume because a person with a darker skin tone blushing wouldn’t 100% match that description? It was just so odd. I feel like removing any kind of physical description doesn’t make it inclusive, it just makes it bad. People don’t automatically see themselves in a character without descriptions nor do you automatically see yourself in a character that physically matches you either. Erasing popular authors words doesn’t erase the past, I feel like this kind of literature is a good teaching and learning opportunity for a modern audience and not letting them decipher it themselves treats them as less than intelligent. I think the changes he made himself are fine, he’d obviously developed over his life as a person since he first wrote it, but the publishers drastically changing things long after his death is just bizarre, it doesn’t make it more inclusive to me. I think editing past literary works to somehow attempt to conform to modern mindsets doesn’t make for good representation and we shouldn’t look for it there that’s not what it has to offer us as a current audience. We’re not protecting people, we’re prohibiting people from learning how to deal with the realities of the past, present and future of every day life. There’s already a huge lack of critical thinking skills and this mindset of “we must protect the children” is not helping, we learn from the past we don’t change it.
I think the best argument for why roald dahl's edits are more legitimate is that they are still imaginative and descriptive. There's something to imagine and visualize, rather than just cutting out all the description
I didn't really like the Tim Burton version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I grew up on Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. But to each their own
1. Mel Stuart admitted in his book Pure Imagination: The Making of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory that the reason they're orange and green was a spontaneous decision when he was confronted on what he should change their skin color to be. There wasn't too much reasoning behind the color scheme.
2. Whites were enslaved all throughout history, just look at the Barbary slave trade, where there were more Whites enslaved in Africa legally than there were Blacks enslaved in America. This was after America abolished slavery too, and far more brutal as well. You should have Oompa Loompas being portrayed as White as just as much of a problem as them being Black if you honestly see it as slavery.
3. The US was the third country to completely abolish legal slavery, behind two White Countries, Britain in first and France in second.
4. The word slave is derived from Slav, referring to White Catholics in Europe enslaved by Muslims during the 9th century.
5. Personally I see the Oompa Loompas being changed similar to the dwarves in the Disney Snow White remake being changed. It was honestly just something that the publishers guessed would stir up trouble from audiences but me personally I doubt anyone would care (like the new changes with the wording in the book in 2023 OF ALL TIMES!). I remember all my Chinese friends telling me they loved And to Think That I Saw it on Mulberry Street and hated it being removed for being, "racist." And yes, they do call me, "White Friend," too. It's funny.
Slavery is bad, doesn't matter what their color or national origin. Just because White slaves existed doesn't make black slavery less bad.
@@allinone-qz2gi the floor here is made out of floor
It was funny here in the UK as people were asking what about Lord of the rings and the hobit as they describe halflings and the dwarfs I'm just glad some people saw sense
I'm getting real sick of these inclusivity readers ruining the incredible stories of Roald Dahl absolutely disgustingly insulting