The ONEWHEEL ALTERNATIVE we've been waiting for?
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- čas přidán 30. 09. 2021
- This is NOT a Onewheel. It's called a Trotter Magwheel T3 and it's an electric skateboard with one wheel. While it looks like a Onewheel XR and is meant to be ridden like a Onewheel XR or Onewheel Pint, it is very different from the Onewheels made by Future Motion and we hope to show you that in this video.
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That comment by Wren at the end is why FM should be nervous. E.g. the floatwheel is a fully open platform, so it's catching up quickly. Once the software is figured out there's not much to stop trotter and others taking advantage of it and adding the extra power that the market wants. Good to see you showing the options are out there. Hope to see another collab with Mario sometime so maybe you can compare the floatwheel as well.
the software has been figured out for nearly a decade. there is NOTHING special about one wheel except the amount of anti competitive bullshit they are willing to throw up to potential competitors.
@Bean Oak well when you have millions in venture capital that is used solely for legal actions against any possible competition it kinda makes it easy to keep the market cornered. if one wheel is better...buy it. But they know if competition is allowed to exist they will get absolutely shit on. So instead of innovating....they stifle. A pretend Made in USA company that does nothing but answer to foreign investors.
Does anyone know where Onewheels are really made? I know they are assembled in the US, but where do the parts come from?
This POS will never catch up. You think they use automotive grade connectors? The build quality is nowhere near as good. Definitely bot as reliable. This is a here today gone tomorrow piece of…..
@@freshlycharged china
Finally someone to compete. Eventually cheaper prices, more features, higher speeds, longer rides. This is how you create a better company
they got a ways to go...i can see the thing wobble over bumps...lol
@@tmak4699 this could be easy fix with just an update as its only a software problem
Yep future motion will have to sue trotter to kill it
Trotter or any fake one wheel have a long way to go in software and hardware, FM had to create there own custom hub motor to make things run smooth together.
@@Chris_Darkmonkey nobody is gonna develop a product as good and come in at a lower price..i tried telling these fools..
The OneWheel XR has been around for three years with an asking base price of $1,799 without any significant updates. This is unusual in the realm of motorized products and was one of the reasons potential buyers were hesitant in buying one in 2021. Future Motion should divert their legal budget in suing other companies and improve their product in a timely manner. Despite the number of shortcomings, Magwheel entering this specific market should shake things up.
Come on FM, the average 14 miles range on the XR is ridiculous. Range anxiety is a real thing.
Yeah they need to lower the damn price or something
They are not going to lower the price until sales slow down.
magwheel entering the market will PROVE that onewheel's "patent infringement" team have NO LEG to stand on. Running around threatening folks like Floatwheel saying they own the patent to unicycles is fucking RIDICULOUS.
@@freshlycharged you mean they wont lower the price until sales increase. one wheel doesnt have enough market share to offer a competitive priced product. They also believe they can stifle competition in the court room so they wont have to worry about competing on the open market. One wheel is a bunch of marxist cucks.
Totally agree
Love the fact you found someone fair to judge that isn't biased yet
Is this worth revisiting now comparing how the trotter is doing with it's business practices versus Future Motion?
Would probably be a worth a revisit vs the GT looking at more than just out of box experience. Secret shopper it, test the support on both sides. Test how easy it is to solve problems yourself and then fix them. Does Trotter sell you parts? Do they lock firmware? Can they accurately diagnose a simple issue over the phone or email or do they FM it and ask you to ship it back to them blanking out the battery warning on the box.
Stuff like that. Stuff people will experience if they have the 1k+ product for a sensible period of time (3+ years).
No. The trotter was shit 2 years ago. It's shit now. 😒
I have one of the first Magwheels in the states. I'm on the first controller and agree about the jerkiness, etc. I'm not an amazing rider, but I'm solid on trails with my Pint. Joe from IE rode my Mag on trails with me because I thought my Mag was broke. I couldn't keep up with him. The Mag takes different muscle memory and coming from a OW is a disadvantage if you try to go to a Mag. FM does have a secret sauce that makes their boards super smooth and I prefer them (because I need that compensation) but if the new Mag controllers catch up the Trotters are gonna be good competition for FM.
Loved this video Jimmy! Great work! 🤙
Thanks for always inspiring! Can’t believe it’s been 2 years since we last spoke! I’ll always remember your advice about finding ways to rise above the sea of banality.
Cool
I swear that's Wren's voice at the end... fun to hear his reaction! Cool that he got to explain what keeps Future Motion ahead, that's totally his kind of thing to explain.
Yup. That was Wren!
Yeah I thought the same thing
Jimmy your kids are lucky to have such a cool dad.
I respect you so much Jimmy I've been wanting a one wheel pint for about 3 years now but never been able to afford one I love watching your videos and they make me happy keep doing what your doing Jimmy!!!
Onewheel offers financing with 0% interest. Don’t make anymore excuses, onewheel s are life changing!
Don't waste your money on them
Jimmy is attempting to mount this thing the same way he mounts the Onewheel, having the back side on the ground and the front side up. This works fine for the Onewheel because the sensors are on the front and as you mount and put presure on the front, it moves forward. The T3 has sensors in both the front and back and mounting the back foot first causes it to go on reverse as it engages. The best way to mount this T3 is opposite to the Onewheel, mounting the front foot first and then the back foot, this way it will always move forward when you mount. It takes time to get used to it, especially if you've been riding a Onewheel for a while.
So... Mount it in a completely unintuitive way?
@@thomasnguyen5295 you can mount it the way he says, but actually mounting it the other way is fine. You just have to put your weigh slightly forward when you mount it and it stand up perfectly smoothly. It takes like 10 tries to figure it out.
Also the board he has in this video is obviously off balance. Mine stands up unlike his.
I love your Honest Reviews Jimmy. Keep em Coming. Hope your going to do the GT.
Thanks for the video. I live in Bentonville AR and last weekend saw so many One Wheel riders for the first time. Interesting device and this video helped me understand how it works. :)
Impressive gathering!
I have a trotter and not a onewheel. The best way I've found to mount the trotter is to put the back foot on, and then use your front foot to give the board a little shove forward (as opposed to pushing down on the footpad like you do on a onewheel). Aim to push the board and your body 3-6" forward with the shove, and put your body weight into it. It will take this forward motion and use it to balance as it levels out. Doing that makes the mounting process MUCH smoother.
And? How do you like riding it and can it handle rocks and bumps and dips, etc? What about hills?
There is nothing like the feeling of a OneWheel. Especially my beloved XR.
I always like competition! Although I don't think this is it just yet... But I'm curious, is this one as good as OneWheel's original model, or does it fall behind that one too?
Good question. Compared to the V1, it feels more stiff... other than those surges. The V1 felt too loose to me. The ride is much better now on the Onewheel XR, especially with custom shaping.
FINALLY. Some competition! They've been resting on their laurels WAY too long... all these years. Only 2 models? No real advances. No real company backed mods. This is why euc and scooter tech is exploding at the seams right now. In the long run, consumers win when there is competition 💯
@@mig6220 the Trotter isn't even close to competition. That's like saying go-karts can compete with NASCAR 🤣
@@c0pyimitati0n exactly
@Bean Oak he started out on a trotter and switched to Onewheel
Great to see JC on a Trotter. Looks like it still has a way to go to be close to even DIY VESC capabilities right now
It has a way to go, but I like that people are trying. If anything it may inspire FM to work on their flagship product to make it even better.
@@freshlycharged lol no thats not how fm works. they will sue sue sue and offer the same crap product with zero innovation at a premium price.
@@DieselRamcharger sorry you don’t own a onewheel. Nothing needs to be changed, it’s a perfect product as it is.
@@nyccollin i never said anything needs to be changed on a onewheel. You have COMPLETELY missed the point. If it was a perfect product Future Motion wouldnt be embroiled in continual wrongful death suits, the Houston one they already lost. San Diego up next. Lets try to stick to facts to your fan boy ignorance and conjecture.
You could always drop a vesc into the trotter and use that big 13 inch hub motor
Idea that just make new learner to try both is amazing 👏🏼
Great video as usual. I love the fact that you’re on top of all the new stuff out there. Looking forward to more content. Can you do a review of Floatwheel. Mario had one. I’ve have one plus a Pint and they are very close. Would love to get your opinion. Be sure you use Surfdado’s firmware 51 on it though. That is a key ingredient to it being close to “other” more popular onewheels.
There’s something so relaxing about watching your videos.
Programing a lava lamp sequence with my arduino project ended up more then I thought. self balancing and acceleration must be tough.
I use to have the older model trotter and upgraded to the pint but I have the inverse view, the trotter did like to start by reversing until I adjusted the level by holding the power but in motion it felt rock solid and responsive, the only issue I had was that the waterproofing was non existent so blew up a couple of controllers so decided to get the pint which was twice the price and learning to start the pint without it rushing off and burning it's tire because of the lack of a back sensor took a lot to get use too, I feel the trotter I got which was only £500 is a good starting board for those that want to test if it is for them but then upgrade if they like it, the pint I feel is a danger to people starting out as it is much harder to learn if you don't have someone to help but the pint is a more enjoyable ride
This is a good review love it
I know joe he lives in my town and he let me ride one of his trotters
I think you are spot on with the review I like the trotters and the direction they are going with them and the fact we can get any part for them or up grades I can’t to see what they in store for the future
Wow a friend has a Onewheel and goes everywhere on it. I can't imagine trying to ride one without crashing.
I've ridden my onewheel for about 800 miles and I've never fallen or crashed. I just never ride faster than I can run if I have to jump off
This video only tells how good the Onewheel is. I love my Pint. Thanks for sharing.
Exactly!
I met Joe there at the StokeLifeService tent, class act thru and thru! Can’t wait to do business with him
Two products that I think you should check out that could revolutionize the market: Shred Town Batteries In-Fender Pint battery (maybe the Pint becomes the go to now with a range of 20 miles and STILL cheaper than the XR?), and the Float Wheel (the DIY OneWheel for $650!). Keep up the great content!
Keep them vids coming Sir =)
Thanks again for this video. You’re one of the reasons why I got a Onewheel #pint and also wear safety gear. - aloha from Hawai’i
Always great reviews - saving humanity $ and more... onewheel at a time
Really was about time it had some competition to make it fair priced
I agree there needs to be more competition. One wheel looks better and I was turned off by the surging I saw. I’m sure it will improve.
omg Jimmy. "youre cheating on me!" -ONEWHEEL LMAO
If the Magwheel is supposed to be a competitor, I can't wait to see it improve over iterations.
Great video Jimmy!
Thanks!
Bru the Swiss Army knife analogy
Kudos to you
Would like to see an update to this. Looks like they have updated the software?
Watching this vid makes me want to try out the one wheel. Family man mid 30s wants to have a bit of excitement but always been skeptical of it. Hopefully price point drops. Meanwhile, I'll watch your reviews. Subscribed.
Best Onewheel alternative is an EUC. Farrrr more power, range, comfort, speed, and terrain capability than the Onewheel could ever dream of. All for about the same amount of money. When I made the switch from Onewheel my options were upgrade to the XR for $1,800 to go 18 miles or switch to euc for $2,200 and go 70-90 miles plus all the extra mentioned above. The choice was simple but I would like for Future Motion to produce an euc! I think they’d make a terrific one.
Just started the video and I can tell I'm gonna like it because I hear my tech savy guy, Wren
I can use an update Mr. Chang on whether you enjoy the EUC or onewheel more since you have had more time with EUC. I am new to all of this and am trying to figure out if i should get the one wheel or EUC. The EUC doesn't look comfortable but looks fun. The one wheel looks comfortable and more comparable to surfing, skateboarding, etc. Thanks!
Both different rides that I enjoy for different reasons. But if I have to pick one, hands down, the EUC is my go to gadget... and 3 out of my 4 kids would pick the EUC over the Onewheel while one kid would pick the ebike as his PEV of choice.
@@freshlycharged sweet! thanks Mr. Chang, i appreciate you taking the time to respond. maybe you can do a video with the new EUC that has the tesla battery! what a game changer!
I'm trying to decide between the bigger or smaller onewheel. Will be my first one. I'm looking for whichever will be less likely to throw me off. Any recommendations. I live in Colorado and will be doing light trails.
I wonder if the difference in how smooth they are is down to motor controllers, like if the magwheel uses squarewave controllers while onewheel uses sinewave ones
I hate future motion as a company and honestly hope they go under at this point.
Any competition is greatly appreciated.
Hey Jimmy,
it's the German guy who asked you to do a review of the Trotter ... two years ago. I'm glad to see that you finally gave it a shot :-)
Considering countless comments of the past years that came down to mere 'knock-off' verdicts, I expected lots of condescending remarks on the Chinese competitor. Well, maybe the overall vibe about the FM monopoly has changed a bit since then. And maybe your channel attracts a different kind of audience.
I don't have any experience with the 1500 watt T3 but it seems that the product still needs some refinement. Same phenomenon to be seen when new EUC's enter the market. And, in my opinion, the battery size for now doesn't match the appetite the bigger motor comes with.
But being the happy owner of a 700 watt Trotter since 2017, I can assure everyone that the Trotter company builds devices you can count on. Apart from a battery upgrade from 4.4 Ah to 7 Ah [which a local expert did for me - without getting sewed or anything] my Trotter has remained in its original state. The tire e.g. looks just the way it did when I received it. And I ride offroad most of the time.
I'm looking forward to see the evolution of the Trotter MAGwheel and I hope that the OneWheel community will keep an eye on it, too. It's good to have the freedom of choice, isn't it?
Best wishes, Nordlicht.
'without getting sued' that is, ; )
I remember those emails! I appreciate the support. I really do hope they continue to improve the product.
I do not own a FM OneWheel, only road a Pint once, which was o.k. till I tried a pirouette and leaned too far in... took off the back foot ... the thing took off and dragged me down.
Mounting my Trotter [I ride regular, so my right back foot is down] is buttery smooth, I can pretty much level it on a dime, stand still on it and go either way - as Jimmy put it in the video: just let it do its thing, get the hang of it, don't jerk around.
When stopping, hopping off is best for me, front foot to the left, back foot to the right, Trotter stands upright in the middle.
If the 1500 watt should generally fall to the closed side of the rim and beep immediately ... now that should be annoying.
@@nordlichtgermany My t3 stands up, but it is slightly off balance and does occasionally fall over if the ground isn't level. Kind of annoying and I've thought of adding weights to it to fix the balance.
Can you please do a teardown video and show us the controller set up on the t3?
Thanks Jimmy
Thank you!
Yes but does it brick itself if you try to unplug the battery? no? Sold.
This video pops up as soon as I buy my first OneWheel
homie sounded so disappointed saying "Hes riding a trotter"
Seems to me that the platform needs to be offset from the axle so that the platform rides higher.
I hope they can get that board on par we need this
There’s definitely a reason why one wheel charges what they do , would be nice to see a upgrade and some actual competition like EUC’s , I think that’s why that market has taken off and taken my heart with it
Will never stop loving the one wheel though!
@Bean Oak just because they have something strong doesn’t mean they can just make two versions and be done, I had to strap a battery on my pint just to sum what feel comfortable while taking it out, I have a smaller battery s-18 EUC that goes at least 35 miles and that’s small for this type… that’s insane and why a lot are converting lol
@Bean Oak haha I’ll be honest I’ve never had so much fun on my pint but I got a S18 suspension EUC and it felt so much better on my back and now I can literally go places it’s so much more than a commuter. Now I’m able to keep up and pass mtn bikes on trails and some cars lol but it’s nice to have that range and added speed, larger tire even if one wheel guys talk about how that’s not important.. it really is lol especially for the price you get so much
Have the S-20 eagle pre order in and I’ve never seen something so advanced and beautiful. It’s exciting to be a EUC rider! I can’t imagine in 5-10 years what they will be coming out with
Have a blessed Sunday!
I mean FM holds the patent so that's why they charge what they charge. I don't ride EUCs, but I can see how each year those things are insanely improving.
@@infiniteoffset so many companies = competition and competitive prices with good specs, FM can charge whatever they want and I don’t think it’s with it for a pint or XR unless you just wanna ride around
@@thefoss721 Patent is crippling the competition and FM doesn't hesitate to sue everybody.
Should do a video on the jw lawsuit
Do you think there would be interest?
@@freshlycharged you did a video on the wrongful death lawsuits already
@@freshlycharged Most definitely. I'd watch it ad or no ads.
You can hear the dirt caught on the tier scraping against the plastic bit in the middle.
yup
@@freshlycharged Good review Jimmy, but... Think of a trotter as EUC in terms of balancing algorithm and try lowering the tyre pressure a bit. Tyre takes more round shape when over inflated and starts rubbing against the foot plates and makes it over correct little balance corrections. That should resolve the jitter issue. I'm 200 lbs running ~ 26 psi and haven't had any jitters on T3. The ones in the video look quite bad. Also if you get the hang of mounting, you can push the board to level like you do with FM onewheel, you don't need to wait for the board to level itself.
Keep up the good content and will be waiting for the KS S20 review :p
This is the kind of thing I've been waiting/hoping for. A company seemingly worth supporting that doesn't conduct itself as Future Motion has.
neat to see something is trying to be like the onewheel but I think it definately needs tuning. FM not being right to repair friendly is eventually going to lead to their downfall if they dont change and people figure out the ride of the onewheel and what makes it that way. I know the DIY is getting close but isnt there yet. I would love for my next board to be something not from FM and something I can maintain myself long term. for now like everyone else I will just hop on my XR and it is what it is.
Nah they should just give up. Never should have released it in this state.
Complete honest opinion... I went from a trotter t3 to a onewheel xr, the ow is amazing in comparison to safety and handling. Trotter is just difficult to dismount and clunky feeling on rides. Plus ow has an app to keep up with battery life maintenance and overall performance. U definitely get what u pay for
Totally agree
can you self-service the battery on the MagWheel?
What Bell helmet is that? Appears to have a removable chin bar? I ordered my first Onewheel (a Pint X) yesterday and getting gear... I ordered a cheap set on amazon of knee pads, elbow and wrist guards and helmet, but want a beefier helmet as well. I'm a motorcyclist too and debating just getting a dual sport helmet for a beefier option for the Onewheel and when I get a dual sport bike for offroading.
FM did sue trotter already but fail. Trotter actually came out first.
why do you have the purple tape and wood deck on the OW?
The front foot pad doesn't always recognize when my kids are standing on it. The sponges taped on the front seem to help.
I liked subscribed and hit the bell Jimmy Chang!
I actually unsubbed because of this video. Used to love this channel
LMAO wasnt watching, just listening and suddenly my brain went "Is that Wrens?"
I wonder is that motor feeling is because of the # of coils and magnets
Just the dismount alone is enough to deter Most. Having to hop off everytime i would need to stop for a stop sign or a pedestrian.
@Bean Oak To each's own my friend. I've always been accustomed to stopping like a skateboard.
@@one_point21_gigawatts i can stop my magwheel fine without hopping off. Maybe everyone should I ld actually research rather than watch this bs. Fan boy and take his opinion only
@@up_on_one1151 It definitely does not ride as smooth as a One wheel, its apparant in the video... A second rate product dude- fact.
@@one_point21_gigawatts I've ridden both and hated the xr
@@one_point21_gigawatts he doesn't have it set up right with tire air pressure or anything.
I got the pint because it’s the latest product from OW but I will definitely buy the newer XR when it comes out because the XR is already more than 3 years old already
Will a onehweel GT fit in the x5 backpack?
What's up with that front sensor on your OneWheel?
Can I borrow that...? 👀
Also, this video was awesome. The dad of PEVs still reigns. 🙏
@@TheBoardGarage "Dad of PEVs" is so accurate lol. Video on JW lawsuit coming??
WHO'S YOUR PEV DADDY?
@@on3jp Unfortunately not... Wife advised against it. Not worth the risk currently.
Bruh.
Now for the important question. Can you service and repair the device without having to deal with the manufacturer?
Did anyone notice the street they are riding on at the end and all the cracks. That was a lot of splits in the road and they looked substantial.
Hey Wren was in the background of the first clips!
And even more at the end!
The onewheel XR and pint just looks a lot more polished. For now i wouldn't even think about getting a trotter.
The Trotter has a way to go, but I like that people are trying. If anything it may inspire FM to work on their flagship product to make it even better.
@@freshlycharged maybe then future motion will start including the XLR plug cover for their one wheel... with the price they're already charging it's literally the least they could do.
Hi, Im not from the US, the only one wheel available here is the magwheel T3. Are there any updates on the software during these 9months that improves the ride quality? I really would like to ride, would you recommend to get a magwheel?
HELL no.
I love Your
videos
I love your comments
Hearing my bro Javier Starks' voice was a nice surprise. Shout out to the Onewheel Wing.
Yeah, I think I'll stick to the Onewheel. Not mad at competition though.
Javier is a good dude!
@@freshlycharged Agreed. Keep up the great work!
Yeah Joe, get it!
Hey Jimmy and T3 riders, where did you purchase your T3?
I'm living in Toronto and not sure where can I get that. Please educat me. Thanks!
The Trotter sounded like it was grinding something the whole time. It wasn't silent. Was that artifacts from recording or is there a noticeable sound coming from it?
Pls review one after it gets a VESC based controller swap.
Their website is also a little poor in the days of plug and play clean website design. I wish them well and hope to see amazing products in the future. I also wonder about the battery sticking out when you want to go extreme and to tricks like curb mounts etc.
Is that Wren from Corridor i hear?
I’m wondering if I should get a T-1, t-2 or the Pint x. Does anyone know which one Will be better. The T-2 seems to have better range and stuff and cheaper than the one wheel
Pint X is better.
tried to order one but their webiste says that preorder before 4/30/21 and that shipping would start in may, tried to send them an email and cant seem to get a response.....is this project dead?
You deserve more subscribers
It sounds like you can hear the bearings grind when it's running.. unless the mic is picking up the sound from your XR?
Is the sound you hear from the XR or the Magwheel? I know there’s rubbing from the Magwheel tire.
@@freshlycharged why is there ribbing from the magwheel tire. Oh thats right because you know absolutely nothing and just an fm fan boy.
Lower that PSI bro
Try getting on the opposite way.Meaning nose down position to mount.
That makes a lot of sense. So the levelling action starts moving you forward, you could actually take off faster than a onewheel.
Or don’t try it at all and pay the extra $400
Nike has reebok? REEBOK? For real did I accidentally wake up in 2005 again?
Kidding aside great vid man!
I don't even care if it's "crap". It's still _competition,_ something this particular segment of personal EVs is sorely lacking.
Can you try buying the C1 Pro eletric scooter pls
That mortar installed in a xr with it's computer ?????
Took me 2 seconds to recognize Wren’s voice
Wren's the best!
Would be nice to bring down the price. I would love to get a one wheel but at that price!
"Definitely easier to CARVE.." Yup, that kid knows whats Up!
I choose Onewheel 🤘🏾⚡️🤘🏾😅
Thank you, at least a few of us in here haven’t lost our minds.
how about you put your front foot first before the back so it engages the same way as a onewheel
Well software is everything, basically like apple and android, whatever spec it might be the other just perform better. Not even worth comparing to a pint thats cheaper 100%. But someday hope they can catch-up
Yeah the onewheel is easier to ride, but anything other than curb nudges (the way the trotter tries to stay flat all the time makes those really hard to do) you can learn to do on the trotter. It just takes more technique and muscle memory than a onewheel.
Any updates on this?
Nike has Reebok.
Adidas: am I a joke to you?
My name is Maddox and I’ve have never heard of anyone who shares my name(other than a baseball player) who has the same name as me so when he said that his name in Maddox, I started choking on my food