The PROBLEMS with Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Apollo Justice is the 4th game in the Ace Attorney Series. It followed the critically acclaimed Ace Attorney trilogy and introduced a whole new cast of characters, and the game sold very well. But amongst the fanbase nowadays it’s sort of this black sheep where some people really hate it. In this video, I’ll discuss my thoughts on Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, and answer the question: Where did Apollo Justice go wrong?.
Thanks to Slyzer for the game footage: / zslyzer
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
0:21 Game Summary
2:27 Turnabout Succession
3:16 MASON System
4:30 Turnabout Serenade
6:26 Phoenix Wright's Character
7:09 Ema Skye's Character
7:27 Apollo Justice's Character
8:11 Side Characters
8:20 Music
9:06 Where Did Apollo Justice Go Wrong?
10:15 Final Thoughts - Hry
I think where AJ went wrong is that it's not Apollo's game. There's no greater focus on him and for most of the game it feels like he's just going through the motion. While he's a great character he's not as well defined in AJ unlike how in the first game we saw what motivated Phoenix to be a lawyer. We don't know what motivates Apollo. I'm currently playing through the 3ds games rn and I hope that they fleshed him out more.
yes they did... PERFECTLY FINE!
@@mikhailpopovkin.6169 He’s definitely FINE though right…. 😭
Apollo doesn't get "his" game until Spirit of Justice.
Capcom did this most likely because this never ended well. Sf3 is the story of New Yorker Alex getting revenge on a bad guy and discovering his love of fighting. You may notice every street fighter afterwards stuck with Ryu. Sf3 bombed sales wise despite the acclaim. That got rid of all the classics with a new generation and fans were mad. Nowadays capcom barely acknowledges this game. It isn’t even adding any of its characters to 6 despite them bragging about finally continuing from where 3 left off.
Realistically capcom was never gonna let this happen ever again with any series. Dmc still needs Dante and Vergil. RE still has to have a redfield or a Valentine or a Kennedy in the cast to sell a game. And every street fighter must have the original 8 playable characters from sf2 regardless of how no one likes blanka or Honda. THEY’RE CLASSICS THEY CANT MISS AN APPEARANCE EVER AGAIN!
Capcom weren’t gonna take risks whether shu takumi wanted to or not. So it’s only to be expected capcom forced nick to be there. The face of their company barely made it to sf3 and that cost them their monopoly on not just the arcade but an entire genre. Why would they ever take that gamble ever again?
@@Neogears1312 Literally what the hell are you talking about, this is so offtopic.
Honestly, I love Phoenix in AJ, one of the only things I love about the game. Seeing how far he's fallen after 7 years is very interesting, even if it would've been better to show the whole progression. Because we don't play as him for most of the game, we get to see him from other people's perspectives, so when we finally do play as him, we get to see just how much of his old self is still there, just not shown to the outside world.
What SUCKS is how they didn't commit to this after AJ. He becomes a lawyer again in DD instead of staying as a mentor to Apollo. They somehow go BACKWARDS with his character. He seems completely incompetent in court, and his reputation has completely changed. Everyone seems to only know him for bluffing when he was simply a very skilled and smart attorney before. He only ever relied on bluffs in the worst situations, like when he was thinking out loud about where the bullet went in 1-4 and when he needed to buy time in 2-4. I wanted to pull my hair out with how much Phoenix would make a very fair objection, and then the prosecution would be like "oh yes, another classic bluff from Mr. Wright." But they're honestly fair to think that, because Phoenix gets disheartened WAY more than he should. Even when the situation isn't awful and he's completely against a wall, he'll think something like "I've gotta think of something, even if its just a bluff!"
TL:DR, Phoenix's transformation in AJ was great, but his transformation to DD was awful, which in hind sight, stains Phoenix's character in AJ.
As a fellow fan of Hobo!Phoenix. I agree. The last case in AJ presented us with a confident, mature man who, no matter how he was dressed, was definitely the Turnabout King. In DD, he's practically 24 again. I know it took time for him to pass the bar, but why was he acting like it's his first case again. I never saw his bluffing as just bluffing for the sake of it. More that he was just buying time until he could figure out the solution or make the puzzle pieces fit in his head.
Now this is a take I totally agree with. Phoenix’s character arc from AA1-AJ is so interesting and honestly poetic. DD should’ve showed a happier version of Hobo Phoenix who still kept his mature and confident personality from the 7 years of his disbarment. Or they couldve not have him be a protag at all and let him be a supportive mentor to Apollo and Athena.
"Apollo Justice has no backstory"
Future games each giving him a different backstory: Say no more fam
Some of my own interpretations:
The MASON System was presented to the jurors before the trial, it wasn't shown as evidence in court. It was a loose interpretation of the whole incident presented as a simulation/video game, so there wasn't any actual time travel. I think it was supposed to be a "judge for yourselves" thing for the jurors.
While Phoenix is infamous for the evidence forging, he still has friends in law enforcement. I recall it was stated somewhere that Ema helped him work on it, but I could be wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if he convinced the judge to run that test trial.
Phoenix also didn't do that trial to catch Kristoph for the murder. He'd already been caught for his previous murder and is already in prison. The purpose of the trial was to declare Vera innocent because if we did a conventional trial, it would have been impossible to get her off the hook by proving someone set up a murder 7 years ahead of time.
Turnabout Serenade was supposed to get across how the law system stopped considering common sense and blindly follows evidence as the only thing that matters. Hence why Machi was arrested because he was present there, with the gun and body, and the illogical part that he couldn't have fired it without injuring himself wasn't considered. The jury was supposed to introduce common sense to the law because the verdict would be voted on by common people who aren't burdened with strict court regulations.
The Jurist System being retired with no mention was probably Capcom's response to how heavily criticized Apollo Justice was, along with the change in directors. There's also a video out there about how the Professor Layton director recommended that the Dual Destinies team ignores the previous games and makes the game its own thing. Takumi sort of followed up his jury ideas in The Great Ace Attorney where he also covers the flaws of the system. That's why, in addition to a prequel to the whole franchise, the duology can be considered a spiritual successor to Apollo Justice.
Very interesting take on Turnabout Serenade! The general consensus was that the blatant lack of logic in many things (a blind kid shoots a gun that would dislocate his shoulder, misses once, shoots again - at an _Interpol agent_ who, after the first shot, just let it happen???) is just the result of terrible writing. But maybe it was very intentional writing after all - maybe it was so intentionally stupid that players were absolutely supposed to think "None of this makes sense, stop looking at superficial evidence and just use your damn heads?!?!?!", painting all the characters as mindless zombies of the current justice system.
Although even if that _was_ their intention, they evidently missed the target. I think they could still have come around if they made Apollo a character with more common sense who points out early on that many of the debates don't make sense but is being shot down by the current evidence-based system. The ending of that case as it is now is pretty great already - it just constantly feels like Daryan keeps slipping through your fingers again and again and you just barely get him at the end. But I think it would have been a much better set-up for the last case if the ending felt more like you (and Apollo) were about to go _insane_ because you almost feel like the only person in the room who sees the truth while everyone else keeps insisting on proof and evidence.
@@MrFoxInc I think making apollo into a “common sence based” attorney, is a very novel concept not gonna lie
Also isn’t Miles Chief Prosecutor by this point?
I think part of the reason why the ending of Turnabout Succession falls flat for me is how, despite Kristoph and everyone else's claims, there is quite a bit of evidence that could have tied him back to the murder of Drew Misham even without the jurist system.
The letter presented was faked to be sure, but given they mention Phoenix's recording of the letter, the judge could have requested a search of Kristoph's cell or on Kristoph himself (especially given that, since he is in prison, his quarters are actually state property and not a private residence.
The mail was also being examined by staff at the prison, so there were also likely records of Kristoph's recipients and senders based on what came through.
And even putting that letter aside, the red envelope showed a clearly hand-written message that could be compared to Kristoph's own writing.
So yeah, I kind of get what the message the game wanted to convey with needing the new system was; but I feel like this case in particular was too clear-cut on the innocence of the defendant and the guilt of the villain.
My biggest problem with Phoenix Wright is that he gets disbarred as a lawyer and ends up an isolated drunk rendering his interactions with most of the characters in the last three games mean absolutely nothing. The friendship with Edgeworth was meaningless, the rivalry with Franziska and Godot was meaningless, the brother-sister camaraderie with Maya and Pearl was meaningless, the student-mentor camaraderie with Mia was meaningless, even the mentioned romantic relationship with Iris whom he believed was Dahlia for years was meaningless (also Capcom pretending Iris never existed in the later games just makes it even worse). Everything that the original trilogy built up has gone to waste since Phoenix Wright ends up alone and miserable anyway. It's why I will always consider Trials And Tribulations as the real ending of the series.
>also Capcom pretending Iris never existed in the later games just makes it even worse
I'm starting to think Iris was snapped out of existence in order to not disturb Wrightworth fanbase lol.
But yes, this shift with Phoenix character... not a fan of it. And what interests me (and what the game just brushed off) is how Wright even got in contact with Kristof, how they've become friends. When did Kristof come to the lawyer scene and why did he get so much influence?
The Judge treated him with respect, called him the best in his field and it's pretty funny to me cuz the series makes it clear defense lawyers in this universe are underdogs, Phoenix has been the butt of every joke despite continuously solving seemingly hopeless cases. How did Kristof get that amount of respect that Wright never really did?
Yep, my thoughts exactly. I just beat the Phoenix trilogy recently, and jumped right into Apollo. To me, that was a mistake. What a betrayal of character and relationships. And none of the new characters are keeping me interested. I’ll keep my head canon for Phoenix’s future, and just play Miles Investigations.
I quite like the character that he becomes, in his obsession for getting his revenge and shame for finally getting tripped up in a fairly dodge bluff. I think this whole arc needed to be a plot running alongside more games though.
Having Iris not exist is weird AF. Like in Investigations 2 when you're in prison, why not just run into Phoenix who's there visiting her? Would be a cute enough cameo.
And yeah, his friendships with all of the important people, especially Miles should've come back. Doesn't even need much. Have Miles visit once, maybe he brings Trucy a gift and then chastises Phoenix for not getting over himself. Done, you've shown how that's gone for the past 7 years. Similarly Maya and Pearl could be people Trucy mentions a couple of times as good old friends. Done as well....
This series has such a weird relationship to itself, it's terrified of its own legacy really. Phoenix not only doesn't show in Investigations (except for on easter egg on 2), he's never MENTIONED. Edgeworth just does the super awkward "ah, I dunno. It was my IMPORTANT FRIEND that showed me. That mysterious person from my dark past". And now I'm playing DD. Someone mentioned that the prosecutor for this game has committed some crime which "made law crooked and twisted like it is now" and it's not going to be anywhere near what got uncovered in Prosecutor's Path is it? Like, not even close. Ah, this series.....
@@sephiriza I’m 6 months late to this comment but I like wrightworth and also would put Iris in my top 5 ace attorney characters lol. I feel like there’s a way to do it that acknowledges the importance of Phoenix’s relationship with each character, it’s a shame they just deleted her out of existence :(
This seems like a bit of a silly position to take when you consider future games in the series. I'll share no spoilers here for future games (though a spoiler warning for Apollo Justice and the original trilogy as well), but a lot of these relationships do come up in future games after Apollo Justice.
Anyway, this game takes place long after the previous games in the series so a lot of familiar faces to Phoenix have gone their separate ways, it's only reasonable over the course of a decade. Loneliness and isolation is kind of a theme throughout this game, as well as parental responsibility. Phoenix shifts his focus to making ends meet for Trucy from the moment he takes responsibility for her. Losing his career as an attorney is a huge hill and for any normal person, it would put them in a rutt.
The thing is, Phoenix doesn't even become a deadbeat like that. From the moment he realized what was going on, Phoenix had a plan to expose it all and set things right. He puts on the image of a deadbeat father to lay low and conduct his investigation. All the while pulling the strings for the new jury system to be tested.
I'd say future games are more inconsistent with Apollo Justice than AJ is with the trilogy, as this Jury system isn't so much as mentioned in future games (chronologically) and is outright mocked in Great Ace Attorney. But, one of these relationships you mentioned here is exactly what puts Phoenix right back on the map after everything from AJ mulls over. Why these other characters aren't around is also discussed throughout the other games.
I may be in the minority, but Apollo Justice is my favorite game! I dunno why, but for me, Apollo is a lot more relatable or a protagonist than Phoenix to me. Maybe it’s because of his anxious energy and dry humor, but he was a lot more of an enjoyable protagonist to me. Along with that, Klavier is just,,,,, my all time fave character. He’s kind, has a very unique personality and flaws, and is just so human. A lot of people hated Turnabout Serenade, but it’s my all time favorite case because we get to start seeing the cracks in Klaviers otherwise “flawless” persona. Just, I know the game has its flaws, but it holds a special place in my heart :)
Honestly totally fair, I also kinda like serenade so you’re not alone :)
Apollo Jusitce is my favourite game too.
I find Apollo to me more relatable as well. I like how hes a little more aggressive than Phoenix.
squealing kicking my feet at someone's favourite case being turnabout serenade!!! that case gets so much hate for literally no reason, you have amazing taste i love Klavier and turnabout serenade so much too!!!
I really like this game
How it explores a gray area of the law (like investigations and the third case from JFA)
I love that phoenix is now a master mind in the shadows mentor of apollo
Yes he may be a hobo but he is at his peak for me
I think that this game was just the opening to what it could have been a great trilogy
They presented apollo reestablished phoenix as this new character
We get just a little backstory about apollo and trucy
And yet i still think kristoph has some misteries to discover (dark psyche locks)
You could even explore how klavier would felt after having his brother in jail and a friend like daryan
Its a shame that shu takumi left the main line games i wanted to see the real apollo story
They should reboot the series from this game onwards
I feel like Capcom tried to distance itself from AJ in Dual Destinies by having Apollo gone most of the game, either looking for more info about Clay or cleaning toilets. Spirit of Justice gave Apollo a bigger role and isn't relying on Phoenix as much to solve cases so SoJ Apollo's game more than Apollo Justice.
Isn’t that strange? How is appolo justice own game doesn’t have enough appolo justice? That’s why I think it’s the weaker part of the series. I like SOJ better but Athena now suffers the same problem appolo did in his own game, she barely has any interactions with the core characters in that game, and it begs the question, where is Athena cykes ace attourney? Appolo has 3 games about him before Athena can get even 1
Oh, they very intentionally did - the staff was specifically encouraged not to follow-up on AJ.
@@FlowMoon__3 Where is Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney? Dead, just like Athena Cykes herself.
@@greninjamastergabe6452 I can’t and won’t accept that, when appolo got introduced he got his own game, and then some , with dual destinies and SOJ how does Athena get introduced and acts like a filler the whole time? She needs her own game now, they finally sent appolo away, now all that’s left is Athena and Phoenix to help on the side, not him manipulating everything like appolo justice, but him being a support character.
@@FlowMoon__3 I don’t actually hate Athena. I didn’t call Athena a dead woman walking because I WANT her to die; I did because I THINK she might die. She’s a very unpopular character, I’ll have you know, particularly in Japan. And from what I’ve heard, Capcom has killed off less popular characters before.
The thing that irked me was how it took Phoenix *7 years* and made him a hobo to finally expose the truth of the case, when if this were a case in any previous Ace Attorney game he would have solved it in three days. Keep in mind, “past” Phoenix already had almost everything he needed: he knew who the real forger was, he knew that Gavin was Zak Gramarlye’s previous attorney, and he easily could have figured out that Magnifi shot himself and how he was blackmailing Zak and Valant.
I like Phoenix's new character here and in the newer games because it expands on his change in Trials and Tribulations. We see him fulfil the role of a mentor much like Mia did. But that's not enough to save the new protagonist Apollo who is barely more than a side character in AJ and DD.
I think the pacing would be better if they introduced Athena first so they could spend DD expanding on her backstory and Apollo would be introduced as a supporting character. Also I think Emma deserved more development, since every new game there's a new detective while in the original trilogy Gumshoe served as the detective in all three.
Apollo Justice was clearly made with a direct sequel in mind, which it never got, to explain all of this "dark age of the law" era and go into deeper detail of the events of 7 years after Phoenix lost his badge.
The sequel would've probably focused more on the jurist system along with Apollo and Trucy finding out about their mother while hobo Phoenix keeps being the father/mentor at the same time assisting during investigations.
It would also go into detail whatever happened Edgeworth, Larry, Gumshoe, Maya and the rest of the old cast and maybe even unite them with the new cast like in the newer games.
Honestly, so much potential story and gameplay wise was lost only because Crapcom decided to make Phoenix an attorney and the main focus of the whole game again in DD.
Apparently Takumi wrote the Gavins's backstories too, so we could've gotten that in a sequel too. I just want to know where that hand scar and narcissistic tendencies come from, but nope, no luck
@@le_r0se948he WHAT? omw to punch capcom now, gimme that good Gavin backstory from *the* Shu Takumi himself!!!
This is why I don't find DD and SOJ that good because the new director kind of messed up the parts Takumi was planning on doing
I actually really liked Turnabout Serenade except for the ending (because how the heck is calling the defendant to testify for the millionth time supposed to be "decisive?" This is the only part of the game where I got any Guilty verdicts).
And I enjoyed the video sequence, too. The song in that one isn't annoyingly repetitive like the Blue Badger theme in Rise from the Ashes.
imagine if turnabout serenade had Daryan Crescend as the defendant & Machi Tobaye was the culprit. where instead of having to prove the only thing that makes sense you would have to turn the logic around & have to prove something that seems ridiculous at first glance.
i think the point of turnabout serenade is to show the failing of the current legal system by having Machi be so obviously not the killer. the fact that it makes no sense is the point, it’s to set up the jurist system’s introduction.
@emmywillow6599 the thing is it does a bad job at doing so. it seems more of a failing of brains than a failing legal system; plausibility did not need to be sacrificed at all
What went wrong is they never finished the original story plan and scrapped it, And because of it most of its plot threads didn't go anywhere.
Yep. They STILL don't know they're related.
I have mixed feelings about this one, even though i had fun with it, the game had this bland feeling throughout the whole story. The saddest part is the fact that the most memorable moment of the game for me was the AA1 style trial on a game that was supposed to be Apolo's story. Klavier was really good tho.
Yeah, it lacks the fun quirky chaos of all the other titles. it's done wayyy too straight. To the point that it is the only Ace attorney game where I have barely any recollection of the cases, and the only characters I really remember are the ones in other games too and Christoph Gavin...
Worst thing about Turnabout Serenade is that it doesn't give the player any closure. It just ends abruptly, without telling us clearly what happened during the murder, who moved the body and why, and why Maki was found unconscious next to it. And the dead body having a guitar too, wtf? The writers were on crack when they came up with this case.
@Zeta Pretty sure that whole 'following the lyrics' thing was revealed to be a coincidence by the end, unless I'm getting the details wrong. This makes this even more confusing. Unless Damian realized after committing the murder that the lyrics were being followed and then planted the guitar.. but this isn't clarified properly.
@@adeebkhan7173 It was a coincidence until the point where the body moved. Darian the took advantage of it and moved the body so it looks like it's not a coincidence, making everyone think the killer followed the lyrics and thus creating an alibi for himself by having everyone conclude the murder's in the 3rd part of the concert and not the 2nd.
We actually know why the jurist system wasn't used again. After Aj Takumi was busy with the crossover game so Capcom put his assistant on the lead. And then started a new era of Ace attorney where they didn't want to directly adress events of the previous game thinking that it would dissuade new fans from bying them after finishing the new one.
Some fans call this the "no spoiler rule". And it's the reason DD basically ignores everything that happened in AJ
I know. But there isn't an in-universe explanation for it.
@@tbone415 Ah ok then. So let me rephrase my statement. A lot of the criticisms you and other fans throw towards Apollo Justice are the fault of Dual Destinies.
Apollo Justice shouldn't be blamed for the next game not following up on its characters or themes, or for not giving Apollo the same development Phoenix got in three games
Dual Dsetines should be blamed for being a crappy sequel
I feel like Nick was trusted with the Jury system is because even thou he had to charge him as guilty to it's implied the judge still thinks he's innocent so he probably had some influence there
The chief prosecutor may have been of some help there
@@kay_faraday Oh boi I wonder who is the chief prosecutor it could be anyone
@@kay_faraday I completely forgot Edgeworth took over as chief
@@adyn8811 It could even be me! Probably not. But could be!
@@kay_faraday According to canon, Edgeworth became Chief Prosecutor in between AJ and DD.
Is the "Perceive" system good? That was probably my least favourite part of the game (and AJ trilogy), to be honest.
While it wasn't "hard" as such, it was a pretty skill-less thing to do and never made me feel smart. The AA franchise is at its best when it makes me feel smart for figuring out the case from the evidence. (I loved psych-locks for figuring out how to transport that mechanic to investigations.)
But with perceive I always found it to be a chicken-pecking exercise, of just hunting the entire image for the one bit that changes. And it was such a drag to do if you didn't know where the lie was (which, IIRC, was most of the time, unless I missed something). And then there was a lot of "is that the tell animation, or just a regular fidget animation?" I never felt smart for figuring it out, and when I couldn't figure it out I never felt like I'd been outsmarted either.
And the in-court presentation felt really off to me. Witnesses would get called on the lie and crumble, and it didn't really make sense. More realistically it would go:
AJ: Whenever you mention the victim you adjust your tie. You're clearly thinking about how you strangled the victim!
Witness: I adjust my tie because it was kind of uncomfortable. Nothing more.
Prosecution: Indeed. What kind of crazy accusation is that? And besides, even if it had merit - which it doesn't - the witness adjusting their tie is not admissible evidence in court. So you had better have some actual evidence to support that claim.
AJ: Erm... actually I hoped if I accused them of that they'd just give me a confession.
Judge: Instead let me give you a penalty.
I'm playing DGS1/TGAA1 right now, and I already feel Herlock Sholmes did the "trickster mentor" thing far better than Beanix/AA4 Phoenix Wright.
The one big problem with Beanix/AA4's Phoenix that I didn't realise until spending time with Herlock Sholmes in TGAA is that AA4 tried too hard to make Beanix too much of a cool, mysterious and untouchable puppetmaster that he just doesn't feel human at all, unlike Herlock Sholmes who felt very human despite his antics.
AJ may have many many flaws but goddamnit it's my favorite aa game.
I assume many think that way. Even though it's relatively weak, it's got some amazing moments.
@@zio2329 tbh, my opinion on AJ is as follows: It had some amazing moments, other Ace Attorney games have some weak moments.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox I guess the issue with this game is that its a weak game with amazing moments, instead of being an amazing game with weak moments
@@Trep3 yes thank you for rewording my comment in a more detailed manner.
2:46 What about Turnabout Goodbyes? There are trials for both the murder of Robert Hammond and the murder of Gregory Edgeworth in that chapter.
Also in the stolen turnabout, right? With the theft and the murder?
Apollo has more bearing on the story in Dual Destinies than he does in his own game lmao
i love this game, really. I do also wish AJ got his own trilogy, then maybe Athena, but I can't also lie and say I didn't really like Phoenix's character in the game, even if he had too much involvement. Frankly the worst part of it was his even more dramatic shift back to the goofy rookie lawyer in DD.
my interpretation of the illogical stance of the third case is that its illogical intentionally. Its supposed to highlight how the "evidence is everything" mentality could lead to outlandish convections and leading everyone to ignore logic/common sense. Like how when apollo points out how maki couldn't have used the revolver and even if he could, he would miss which is countered by klavier by saying "well there are holes in the wall , this the evidence that he indeed used the gun"
Probably the weirdest thing about the MASON system is that you have some Magatama sections and like "yup, don't worry. I'm sure the jurors will understand all about the magical mind reading thingamabob, lmao"
Honestly, Phoenix is such a fantastic character in this game, I don't really get how people can not like him. But I agree that making him the star of the show really hurt Apollo. Apollo gets the short end of the stick so many times... He doesn't really get an arc or a backstory. He gets the one twist where he's Trucy's brother but not only that's weirdly dumb, the game is also way too cowardly to deliver on that. So the player finds out and this information then gets buried forever because we can't have the relationship between these characters have interesting developments. Just weird with the obsession with "magical bloodline" but also going nowhere. I think the way to do Phoenix's story here would be to make that be the second game. Have full hobo Phoenix, maybe the first Kristoph trial too. But then just shift the focus to a main plot that's centered around Apollo and/or Trucy. Want to make them brothers? Fine. Make that discovery the inciting incident for the final case. They have one long ass case to start sorting it out. And then for the next game (not far enough into DD to know what actually happens there) bring back the whole plot with Phoenix's catching Kristoph's tail. Work that out once Apollo is already an established character and on his way.
I disagree with the Perceive mechanic, I think it ground trials to a halt every time the game wanted it to be used. So annoying, but it compounds on the fact that trial sections in this game are generally weaker and feel like they drag on with pointless stuff while the player is just 3 steps ahead waiting and begging the game to catch up. The sections with Phoenix are easily the best in the game precisely because things move way better in those sections, both in the trial as well as the investigation we play. Trying to in-universe justify the whole MASON system is not really going to work, imo, but it gets a pass from me because it's easily the best part of that entire game (along with the trial flashback). I've started DD now and moving perceive to the investigation section was a good move.
Speaking of investigations: It is EXTREMELY GRATING that the game keeps finding contrivances to never have Apollo manage to talk with any of his clients. Just so exhausting. The game doesn't trust its cases to be well built so it keeps doing things like this.
Having Klavier be a well-meaning dude was quite refreshing but Kristoph was just completely unprepared to be under fire from both sides. I liked the final trial section in that it was much smoother than the vast majority of the rest of the game but Kristoph gets mostly rolled over. This game needed someone like Gant or Simon as a final boss, someone who could put both Apollo and Klavier on the ropes and keep them there.
What made me sad about Ema is that she just gets reduced to a bumbling bufoon. Throughout Rise from the Ashes and Investigations 1 and 2, Ema is super smart and helpful. Now it's all like "I dunno, lmao." "Can't actually use my stuff because I'm too dumb to read instructions, tee hee" "I COULD use my brain, but I'm too busy snacking". I'm fine with her being salty and irritable (though they take that too far too and it gets grating) but why make her dumb? It's like Mia Fey is the only woman in the series allowed to be smart ever, even Franziska is constantly shown as having the dumbest takes constantly (Maybe Callisto being the other one). But hey, they got rid of her in DD so no worries. instead we have Fulbright, the only character to be as annoying as Moe.
AJ feels like TGAA:C with only the first game. A follow up on the story would've fixed some issues with the game, just like how resolve did for adventures
Only that TGAA:A's main focus is more about Naruhodo's journey as a lawyer than... The big mystery.
My guess is that Shu Takumi wanted to try something different with the juror system. Takeshi Yamazaki's team(Investigations, Investigations 2, Dual Destinies, Spirit of Justice) probably didn't know where to go with it and got rid of it that system while Shu Takumi figured out a way to make it work with Great Ace Attorney
This is probably the reason I liked TGAA more than the games after AJ. Not because of visuals or music but the story and plot
Just finished the game 5 minutes ago and went back here to see the whole things now that it's no longer spoilers.
I think AJ is a great game.
I prefer Apollo's writing to Nick's and the prosecutor is great!
Serenade is a little drawn out by the cutscenes but honestly a lot of those times felt justified, especially since you don't watch the full thing. The "blind" kind being accused was just funny to me because at this point it's just the series rules taken to their extreme, like some sort of self aware parody of itself. It doesn't harm the game's tone because in the end you always know you are defending an innocent, so I don't mind the situation.
Nick is no Hobo at all. He's always been a little weird and when fate put him through this I totally get how he turned so grey. I think I find this new Phoenix more interesting overall than the old one, even at the end of the trilogy where in my eyes we was still neutral good all the way.
I liked a lot of side characters surprisingly. The noodle doctor, the whole Yakuza trio, the two magicians, the reporter in the later parts...
The worst character honestly BY FAR is Ema. They turned good old Maya 2.0 into a gumshoe downgrade where it seems all she's useful for is making the same joke about her snacks every two seconds and making you play minigames. I guess she saves Apollo's ass during one of the later trials by presenting critical evidence on her own against Gavin's wishes but that's all. Gumshoe was super endearing and funny to me.
The mason system was a little confusing, but in my mind I had two explanations as to how it worked:
When Phoenix used "evidence of the future" it was actually just him having guessed further ahead than the player could have, like with the nail polish already being in the old studio as a clue. It's just "out of order" for the sake of the player, so that it reads better. In some of these videos Nick is just getting confirmation for things he guessed before asking about.
It's harder to justify how Nick got the right to set up the whole trial and jury behind the scenes, but maybe he had connections allowing him to propose so and since the trial was seemingly very simple (3 people in a studio and a poisoned coffee) they agreed to let him do it "as a test" since it shouldn't have changed much about the verdict in a simple case. When it turned-out Phoenix had other intentions than improving the system (he knew it would lead down a rabbit hole and was the only way to truly corner Gavin) that was the end of the new jury system project.
TL;DR : game gud, characters gud, ema bad, serenade fine, mason not so irrational.
Plum is the best mom in the entire series. Such a great character, the true hero of this game
AJ is still home to the worst case of the entire franchise, Turnabout Serenade. It's a case with its own version of Stevie Wonder called Machi, a blind little boy singer who weighs like 50 pounds, and the judge/prosecutor somehow believe he fired a weapon with recoil that requires months of training to properly use, on his giant 7ft 300 pound bodyguard, and that he also somehow moved the 300 pound body across an entire stadium all within 10 minutes....
That, and you have to listen to a song and point out contradictions as part of the trial. Granted, it was experimental, and the lyrics probably sounded nice in Japanese, but the localized version of the song was terrible I'm afraid. Leads to it being the worst case, Turnabout Big Top is a masterpiece compared to Turnabout Serenade. There are times I want to re-experience AJ, but I don't want to because of Turnabout Serenade. EDIT: But yeah you're right, it's purposely meant to be a case that makes no sense and Ace Attorney is meant to be an exaggerated dystopia, but it still breaks my immersion.
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The soundtrack from Apollo Justice is my favorite. I love how futuristic it feels compared to the trilogy.
Why am I one of the only people that absolutely love this game and its probably my 3rd favourite game in the franchise (my second favourite being investigations 2 and my favourite being t&t)
I felt like the game story should've been a 'what-if' scenario, rather than canon.
Since, Edgeworth, Maya, Mia, Pearls etc. Is missing and I also wanted to know what happened with Iris.
I just don't like how they had such a good trilogy, then ignored all the story from trials and tribulations.
Like I say, I'm fine with a 'what-if' scenario or Apollo's own story, but sucks they ruined Phoenix canonically (I still enjoyed it though otherwise).
I'd feel it'd be contrived, yet better if they made hobo Phoenix a bastard brother of Phoenix (who still have a heart of gold and was a disbarred attorney of legend, plus love his "daughter"), he'd make a better imposter of Phoenix than that tiger guy from trials and tribulations 😂
To be honest, I like apollo justice. I like the characters, the music, the new mechanic(s) and the overall feel the game has. But, if I was asked where it went wrong, I'd DEFINATELY say: the final case. So, every case matters in an ace attorney game. But the final case is what really makes you say "damn. This is a good game" it's always epic and completely unexpected. But... Looking at apollo justice's final case... It's A COMPLETE MESS. It's full of unanswered questions, random events, things that happen too fast.. Etcetera (like when you finish the Mason system investigation and your'e straight up trowhn into the trial whitout any parts like "this is it! The final battle!" nope, just rigth to court) but other than this things, I think the main reason why this case is bad (In my opinion) is that they had good ideas for an actual epic final case. I actually really like the idea that the man who tricked phoenix and got him fired, that also is the first killer in the game, was actually the true killer all along. But the way they handle the end.. My God... They don't have evidence to prove his guilt, so they just go "jurist system will choose noob"... What? WHAT? isn't one of the main points in the ace attorney series to have evidence? Isn't that a big part of turnabout goodbyes and a lot of other cases? BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL: pursuit overtaken doesn't play a single time during this case, and most importantly not even in the final moment where they corner kristoph.... WHHHHHAAAAAAAATTTTT?! ok no. That's it. I'm leaving.
Although, there were somethings I liked about this case, like trucy's backstory and her being twins with Apollo and lamiroir actually being her mother and all. Or phoenix's final trial when he got tricked... It just makes me sad to see what this case had the potential to be and what it ended up being. But overall, apollo justice is a nice game :)
Huh, I never knew people didn't like Guitar Serenade. Like, the video that plays over and over again. I liked it a lot, honestly, and I generally liked that case a fair bit.
Honestly,i think the main reason why this game felt the least well-made out of the AA games that Takumi made,is because he was practically forced into making it,rather than actually having passion to make it. As such,he didn’t feel the will to give any of the characters life as much as he did with both the og trilogy and the TGAA duology. This is,VERY,apparent with Phoenix,as Takumi didn’t flesh out the fact that despite Phoenix’s outward appearance and style,he was still the same exact Phoenix Wright in his mind,just with more maturity and the ability to keep his cool.
Actually,now that i think about it,with how Takumi originally wrote Phoenix in the og Trilogy as a “Semi-self insert”,AJ’s Phoenix is basically how Takumi felt with the series at that point. Tired and old of it.
Thankfully,he got his passion back for both PL vs AA and The TGAA duology.
Including Phoenix in AJ was I think, like, fine?? but I wish the game hadn't revolved around him. I do like the idea that the final case was building up to his final case. In that way, it is like the first game's DL-6. But I think that the final case should have been more significant to Apollo personally. Apollo, if memory serves, became an attorney BECAUSE of Phoenix. I think it would have been maybe a good feature to have Apollo a member of the gallery that fateful day when Phoenix presented false evidence because he was such a fanboy of Phoenix. Give him that deep significance. I would have thrown out the Juror system entirely, since it was just an excuse to tie Lamiroir in, and just done the case similar to other cases like 1-4 and 1-5 where you're solving both an old case and a current case at once.
I would have made the death of Drew Misham a little more intricate, and tie in Lamiroir to it (Lamiroir was there moments before the murder because she found out that Drew had been the one to forge evidence in the trial where her husband was charged with murdering her father, for example.), as well as reveal at least that she's Trucy's mother. I don't think they could tie in Apollo being her son as well, that could have been kept a secret between her and Phoenix. I would have tied the cases together a lot more tightly than through just the forged evidence and Kristoph Gavin, and again, made all of that more significant to Apollo personally. This being the day that he watched his hero fall, and was taken under the wing of the man who made that happen.
I think it really could have worked if it was constructed like the first game was, where yeah, the last case is about Edgeworth. But it's still important for Phoenix. And the first three cases are important for Apollo's arc. I think yet another mistake was having Apollo lose agency in the first case. Phoenix is the one who deals the final blow, and has Apollo use forged evidence. I would have preferred it to be Kristoph is the one who gives over forged evidence in an attempt to incriminate Phoenix, and his use of that (which Phoenix does note is "impossible evidence" and Apollo has to deduce why it's "impossible") is used to prove he took evidence from the crime scene. Have Phoenix instead of dealing the final blow to Kristoph, let Apollo do it, and the camera just cuts to him looking smug and taunting Kristoph, and that taunt being what sets him off.
I think another mistake the game made was having 3/4 cases tied to the same event, but having Case 4-2 be just like... there. I think Eldoon should have been tied to the Magnifi case as well, maybe Magnifi's doctor and a witness in the Magnifi case. Magnifi's murder would then be made why he lost business with the Kitakis and went out of business.
I also perhaps would have added a fifth case, perhaps not involve Phoenix or anyone except Kristoph and Apollo in the very first case. Something simple where it's just about Apollo. It'd still be tied to the grand scheme of things because of Kristoph, and it'd still leave Apollo with doubts regarding presenting false evidence in court, as he might suspect Kristoph forged evidence in his very first case.
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Here's the thing I don't think Capcom was entirely wrong to say Include Phoenix because at thus point you've had 3 games entirely about Phoenix and maybe one about Edgeworth (Idk the timeline) to suddenly go eh forget Phoenix here is Apollo wouldn't have gone well. But I do agree it's overly reliant on Phoenix. There's definitely a way to do this whole story as it is better. I'm just not sure what it is.
From what I understand
Apollo Justice is the last of the mainline series to be written by Shu Takumi
AA5&6 were done by the AAI guys and Capcom wanted to give them creative freedom so they basically said "don't worry about what Shu was setting up in Apollo Justice, you can just continue it how you wanna do it" which is why the stuff from this game doesn't go anywhere.
This is just my own opinion
I really wish this had been able to be the start of an Apollo trilogy. Seeing Phoenix is interesting, but I feel like maybe we should've gotten a game that was able to be Apollo's story, and Phoenix can show up in the 2nd Apollo game.
I just finished my second playthrough of AJ after 10 or so years and really enjoyed it.
I had similar feelings about Machi in serenade, but I enjoyed the case a lot more than you did. My feeling is that Lamiroir was always supposed to be the suspect, but they couldn’t make it work with her being on stage. Machi feels like a plot device created to make it make sense.
It's sad cuz I actually really enjoyed Apollo justice, mostly due to the characters and music tbh but it was fun but yeah I agree I want Apollo justice to be about well....the character the game is NAMED AFTER. I really like Apollo as a character more than Phoenix. I love his snappy Chihuahua-ness and his dry humor slays me every time. I love how he mocks the witnesses sometimes with the way they speak he always seems so done with everything and his relationship with klavier is great need more of them interacting tbh
I think this the second best looking ace attourney game, first being the great ace attourney Chronicles
I started the series with AJ so I was super surprised to see Phoenix in the first case
i think we must be in very different parts of the fandom because the one im in really likes AA4 as a whole and also hobo phoenix
I just remember thinking the last case was lackluster and boring. Even AA6 where it was super predictable had a stunning payoff. I just don't like AJ much as a game and Im glad they really did a lot with apollos character later on he super deserved it.
I dunno. I still feel like Apollo was the linch pin that Brought Kristoph’s conspiracy to an end. Phoenix really couldn’t do it by himself, as he was disbarred. Besides, I really don’t hate what Phoenix did in the first trial. If anything, it’s a great “Fuck you” to Kristoph Gavin, by getting him convicted with Forged Evidence, as a slap in the face for tricking Phoenix into presenting Forged Evidence in his last trial. I dunno, I just love that form of karma.
“I’ll strike you down with the very same weapon you used on me!!”
I really enjoyed this, the final case is iffy but enjoyable.
But apollo didn't feel like the main guy in his own game. The use of original objection in case 1 was cool.
It's odd that phoenix got disbarred he didn't know what he did wrong. Also kaliver does help apollo too much in court
Also in case 3 how could maky use the gun as far as anyone is concerned he is blind.
Do you plan to do miles edgeworth games
"The plot doesn't make sense due to time travel"
"NOOOO its just a simulation, there's a real plot that actually makes sense"
"...may I see it?"
"....no."
Hey, I loved the fact that Ema is no longer a Maya with different gimmick character-wise in AJ:AA.
Apollo didn't have ice Powers. That's the answer.
Honestly i wished they din't used characters from the og trilogy, because they just feels like they are here for marketing and that's it, hell I can't even say that they are here for fan service since they feel underwhelming like with Phoenix, he is no longer a attorney, he doesn't have his dynamics with previous characters like Edgeworth and Franziska, he kinda just exists
I absolutely love the first case of this game and I love hobo Phoenix. I think it's not remembered fondly because it goes downhill as soon as the first episode ends. They could have given Apollo a good backstory, but they didn't.
I personally thought that this game was really good. The art and characters work well to create a really colourful game. Pheonix works really well when compared to the themes presented in Rise From the Ashes, making this game feel like a sequel to that case. Apollo really doesn't need a backstory, has really good chemistry with Klavier, and him not being a major player and being a puppet is honestly a good twist. It makes me feel like before Takumi left to work on Layton V Wright the next 2 games would have been about Apollo taking control and changing his own destiny out of Nick's hands. Nick feels like he was almost and antagonist and that would be an awesome twist. Unfortunately, I feel like this idea wasn't really communicated to the DD and SoJ writers which left this game feeling pointless in the grand plot and all the holes in the jump from AJ to DD.
7:28 That Objection though
apollo juctice definitely has its flaws, but i think klavier and the soundtrack carried it to the point where i enjoyed it quite a lot. To put in perspective i'm struggling to not drop dual destinies compared to AJ
Turnabout Trump is great, best first case of the series imo.
Turnabout Corner is okay, not bad but also nothing special.
Turnabout Serenade is easily the worst case of the series, it's illogical on so many levels it's not even funny anymore.
Turnabout Succession is complicated. The case has some good moments and while the MASON system doesn't make any sense it was still fun. The problems are almost all, how should I call it, on a meta level (?). The MASON system, the thing with the jury, it's like they want to be different with this case, meta, leaning on the 4th wall and it's honestly pretty annoying imo.
I think the case could have been handled better if it was handled in a more classic way, showing the past through flashbacks of Wright, kinda like The Inherited Turnabout of AAI2.
Apollo is a nice character but not fleshed out enough (or at all) and his bracelet is a neat gimmick. Him and Trucy being siblings is also pretty irrelevant.
Klavier is also a great prosecutor, still like Edgeworth the most but it's a close one between him a Godot for me.
Turnabout Serenade is illogical on purpose (though I don’t know every point you’re thinking of, some may just be plot-holes).
Apollo lampshades this in the first day of trial. It’s explicitly made to show how the lack of common sense in court impedes justice and how the “evidence is everything” dogma is allowing criminals to walk free.
Loved the music, loved the character design, Loved the Gavin brothers and how they were used in the stories being a subversion from the 1st trilogy "prosecutor bad attorney good" "rule"
Hated the unnatural forced connection between some of the characters, the 3D model used in the music video, the guy brushing his glasses with his own spit.
Playing it now… I’m only on case 2 but so far I don’t feel inspired to continue because they haven’t given me a reason to care about these characters.
my second biggest problem so far, would probably be fixed later but still, is this mysterious past he has with all these new characters.
I get wanting to introduce them but would it have hurt to put in one line of dialogue like “I met him/her and we became friends” early on?
Maybe I’m just impatient, but it feels like I’ve been circling this drain of not knowing something that could have been cleared up instead of distracting me or being taken out of it when they don’t say anything.
The game feels like an AU, and they haven’t said anything so it’s distracting…
This is mostly me getting nerdy now, but because of the professor layton crossover (of which I had to play all those games before the crossover to catch up) and a line PL tells Luke: “If you truly believe we are friends, being apart for a while won’t change that” (I’m paraphrasing)
I just imagined Phoenix being an isolated drunk and getting that advice, and reaching out to his old friends.
Very interesting to watch. Kinda surprised to hear Serenade has a bad rep, for me it was very much the point where things picked up again, as the first part of the game where it felt like there was actually a point to Apollo being there and he was actually solving things instead of having everyone else beat him to it. Not completely without other people jumping in, but it definitely felt like things were opening up at that point. Definitely still on the "guess what the game wants from you" naughty list though.
When I got to the end of the game I was confused about Kristoph Gavin's motive for murdering "Shadi Smith". I thought there was no way that it was just because he chose Phoenix instead of him, but I guess I was wrong...?
Also hot take, I loved turnabout serenade
Me: Ace Attorney Apollo Justice problems does not exit it cant hurt you
You: The problems of Apollo Justice
The au you have seems to be a reality now after the teaser trailer of Apollo Justice
Eh. I liked it and just took it for what it was. I didn't necessarily think Apollo was cooler than Phoenix or anything. Heck, even as disjointed as the presentation of the last "case", I think that was my favorite part because it at least showed Phoenix still had his sense of justice and investigation.
All that being said, they definitely had a much better story and presentation in the fifth game.
Wasn’t ema sky first appearance in AJ ? I remember rise from the ashes being a dlc in 2010..
But if someone played the trilogy first with rfta I can understand the contrast .
Rise from the Ashes came out with the DS version of the game in 2005.
@@tbone415 maybe I’m wrong because it says in the wiki that it was released worldwide in 2010 but it was Japanese exclusive for the ds release
@@defectivecumshit2588 I think you're confused. It came to the Wii as DLC in 2010 but it was on the DS release worldwide.
Where Apollo went wrong? That cause a split between fans? This is my opinion :
1. Apollo Justice(The character) is Phoenix Wright 2.0, with the only differences are in his vocal chord, appearance, & special ability. Other than that, i think those 2 act kinda the same. And some players still can't accept other MC than Phoenix Wright which become the basis of the split
2. Huge change in Phoenix Wright's character, which some people dislike. And because of this, Phoenix Wright who appears in AA DD & SoJ is some kind of a mix between his T&T & AJ which cause more debate in the community for which should they blame, Capcom, Shu Takumi, or the team who made DD & SoJ(They're the team who made AAI games with their absurd "No Spoiler Policy")
3. Unused Jury System in DD & SoJ..... Because of this, many people said that it's a waste & they TOTALLY blame Apollo Justice game for it without knowing that the cause is that(This is still just a speculation but, i think that this is the most reasonable reason) the AAI team have no idea how to utilize Jury System & it got strengthened with their absurd "No Spoiler Policy" that they just leave MOST of the AJ things behind including Jury System... But luckily, all thanks to TGAA 1 & 2 with Shu Takumi's answer to "Improved Version of Jury System", some players appreciate AJ Game more.
4. That ending... By far, i think most of the players think that for the ending, AJ is the WEAKEST, even weaker than AAI1 that i think 95% of the fanbase claimed that it's the worst AA game to this very day. I think Shu Takumi ACTUALLY want to make a sequel of AJ AA so he can explain more about Apollo and Trucy, how the Jury System works, & opening the high risk Black Psyche Locks inside Kristoph's heart... Fortunate yet unfortunate, Shu Takumi is busy with Layton Vs AA, and Capcom wants to milk more of AA games with PW as the MC, so they asked AAI team to make 2 AA games that i claimed as 2 of the worst AA Main Game(SoJ makes me quit playing AA games for months because of Turnabout Storytelling)(But not because of the cases because most of the cases are fun especially Turnabout Revolution. But the reason why i hate DD & SoJ is because of AAI team with their "No Spoiler Policy" which ruin most of the things possible, especially regarding AJ Games). Because DD & SoJ explain almost nothing about AJ, that some players dislike AJ even more... I think this is why Shu Takumi abort his plan about AJ2 & decide to make a brand new AA game that got almost 0 connection with PW Timeline & Capcom doesn't allowed to interfere.
Shu Takumi said that he want to stop PW's chapter right after T&T, but NOPE! Capcom doesn't want to hear that & now LOOK!!! A disaster..... Glad that TGAA become fan favorite alongside AAI2 & AA Trilogy. This is the fortunate part, because of Layton Vs AA, Shu Takumi can make TGAA. So yeah, there's a Diamond at the end of AA Disaster
Personally I love Klavier Gavin and Hobo Phoenix.
If only Shu Takumi directed this game. If only.
The biggest missed oportunity in this game for me was The Rivales Family. In the game we got, The Rivales Family were responsible for Wokki's injury and that's about it. I have feeling that - originally - The Rivales Family were gonna be much bigger role in the game, but because Capcom forced Phoenix's inclution in the game, the game is all about him, thus resulting in The Rivales Family being almost non-existend. Had Phoenix not been in the game than I'm sure that The Rivales Family would have been the main antagonists of the game with Kristoph as the Don or atleast an associate. Case 2 & 3 would no longer be filler cases, because case 2's killer could have been a spy sent by the family in order to have The Kitakis become assimiliated in to their ranks and case 3's killer could have been in charce of running their smugling network.
Personally, AJ AA is actaully my favorite game of the series, all the cases are at least good and a first case that doesn’t make me wanna put it extremely low with an incredible plot twist thats possibly even better then DR’s 3-1, and I know I will have a ton of people gonna disagree but T&T is my least favorite AA game
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T&T worst? Ew
In terms of cases, T&T is my least favorite, Turnabout beginnings and memories are barely memorable, Terry fawles main moment and melissa foster as a name is the only thing I remember about TB, and I just dislike both of em, they are boring and I think Mia is kinda anoying. Stolen and Recipe I just don’t enjoy, recipe is my least favorite case and stolen is meh for me, dahlia hawthorne and godot are amazing characters though. I don’t hate, I actually really enjoy the game but Great isn’t high enough comparing to AA games
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I think the reason the jurist system never came back was because it was all part of a plan by Phoenix to convict gavin and as he never would have been convicted under the judicial system which would have been what happened as stated at the end of the game
I don’t think Phoenix cared about the judist system and was just using it as a means to an end
APOLLO JUSTICE GANG RISE UP
The main issue I have with this game is Kristoph Gavin doesn’t have great motivation at a villain. I just find his motivations are weak and kind of illogical.
I had a fun time playing Apollo Justice I liked a lot of the characters and found the cases interesting. I really loved the dynamic of Apollo and Klavier probably my favorite court duo next to Wright and Edgeworth. My main issues of the game is just the lack of stakes Apollo has and it is definitely more of a Phoenix game than Apollo. Only other issues I had was just the repeat use of the music video during Turnabout Serenade and I do agree that it’s so frustrating to have to defend because it’s so obvious a kid couldn’t have killed the guy with that caliber of pistol plus it was just so annoying to take down Daryen and not satisfying at all with him constantly having you present so much evidence to take him down. Other than that I did enjoy the character interactions during the case and all of the cases.
The final case was interesting and love but not long at all either. The main long part of that is the Mason system because going through the first trial day was pretty simple and then the face off with Kristoph was really short gameplay wise there’s just so much dialogue.
I also really like the perceive during the it makes trying to already try to find witness’s tells during the case plus a different way to get info other than just pressing and presenting tho I wise it didn’t just have set uses and it was just another options than the way to progress.
One of my favorite things was actual the use of Ema Skye it does suck that she didn’t get to be a scientist but she did want to do detective work as well and having her be the new Gumshoe is pretty cool.
I only just recently finished Apollo Justice and about to get onto the next games but I didn’t really see the need for Apollo to have much of a backstory I mean Phoenix didn’t have much either the only thing I found lacking was his reason for wanting to be a defense attorney, I loved the twist of him being Trucy’s sister and he actually met his mom without realizing it. Only other complaint I had is what I really felt that Apollo seemed pretty dumb throughout the whole game needing Klavier to explain things and only really saw Apollo get his confidence during the final case but he is a rookie so I can let it slide.
I know nobody cares about this but in case 2 a knife is near the crime scene. On further inspection, it is a Kitaki knife so you put it in the court record.
And you never hear from it again. And it always bugged me. I figured out it was Alita during the second investigation and then thought the final blow would be the knife... instead it was the crime scene itself. I didn't feel like it was a victory either because Wocky was straight up gonna die after the game anyway. At least case 3 was better than 2. (Yea I like Turnabout Serenade. It was dorky and a little stupid but it was alr)
I'm pretty sure they established that Wocky planned to kill Meraktis with the knife, but he dropped it and fled the scene after the gun was fired.
imo this game is amazing but then again it was the first Ace Attorney game i watched a playthrough of
The jurist system and phoenix were both implanted into the plot without the writers original vision. If I could find the source, I would, but that's probably your explanation for why these two things are so weird
Oh nvm bro included this alr
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First chapter with two trials?
What about when edgeworth was tried first for the murder of robert hammod and then for his father
Honestly AJ is my favourite AA game and the only thing im kinda bummed about is not enough Apollo but the game was still soo good!!!
Can u do duel destines next pls
Down the line for sure
Oooooh! Can't wait for that.
I'll be honest, AJ wasn't absolutely outstanding, but I personally enjoyed it.
And I'll leave it at that.
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Honestly yeah, the case with Lamiroir was just incredibly bs all the way through
Like how you had to PRESENT EVIDENCE as to why Lamiroir couldn't have possibly seen it when at that point you already know what the contradiction in her testimony is
apollo has more back history in AA DD LOL.
be gaming tbh
Wdym universally hated. The serenade scene condensed all the wackyness Ace Attorney is known for! Are you guys even playing the games? Or you posted some memes and called it a day?
Apollo Justice's biggest flaw is that it dpesn't have Edgeworth.
This game has the most forgotten case of them all which is case 2
I actually like case 2 but not as much asy friend who has am unexplained crush on Wakie Kitaki which stupid cuz Alita tiala is obviously the superior choiche due her beimg a girboss and i lost my train tougth
I had just finished the third game and started the fourth and man Apollo is so much more uncharismatic at least at the point in the game that I think is the second case he is just completely no charisma A random lawyer so far, even trucy would be a better protagonist for this game than the ridiculous Apollo justice
All of your points don't matter in comparison to the biggest problem with the game. You play as an absolutey despicable human being who can't tell the difference between a ladder and a step ladder.
For me, Apollo Justice marked the beggining of the Ace Attorney downfall. I only played the first case myself and, frankly, did not enjoy the twist. Don't get me wrong, the first case is probably the strongest in the game, I personally just didn't find it strong enough, I don't really enjoy when apparent outside characters suddenly join the case story and are the culprit. Apollo, Trucy, especially Phoenix, and essentially all side characters have such weird writing put behind them, I really didn't enjoy anybody (except Klavier, my love). I actually disagree with the common notion that the original Phoenix didn't have much of a personality, I think compared to Apollo, Phoenix was a super rich and entertaining character, while Apollo is an annoyingly jumpy underdog without any sense of development or story. And that said, as a Phoenix Wright fan, Apollo Justice's characterization of him made me fume: the only thing I liked about hobo Phoenix was that he was hot, because as a character he sucked, overly cryptic philosopher, I miss my dumbass yet sharp himbo. Case 3 was awful, case 2 was insanely uneventful, and case 4 was really messy, even for final case standards. This game could have marked the beggining of an Apollo Justice trilogy, but the fact it didn't shows how weak it was. I wish I had nicer things to say, but Klavier, Vera and the soundtrack are the best I can do.
All that complaining out of the way, I dont think it's the worst game in the series, but it was definitely the most boring for me to play/watch/research. For comparison's sake, my favorite games are the great ace attorney chronicles, where I also disliked the protagonist, but the rich side characters and interesting cases more than carried it for me.
I don’t think I can play AJ, not that it’s bad but when I first entered the game seeing hobo phoenix I wanted to cry. Why? Everything, his story, friendships, reasons to become a lawyer GONE! And I can’t bear seeing phoenix so I’ll be just watching a walkthrough to skip if it gets bad… I feel like the game would be better if he had became a prosecutor (even if it doesn’t make sense cuz of that umbrella girl *forgot her name*) or anything but hobo.
Nothing was gone you just didn't examine the backgrounds.
It's just that none of the older characters were relevant to Apollo so they weren't put in.
Simple as that
I would also like to say it is ALSO the fault of the creators with their writing.
This is what happens when you make your protagonist TOO lovable and your next protagonist FAIL to fill in the big shoes. Phoenix Wright was iconic for the reason that he had an original character arc and personality, one that no one ever tried yet. Which of course led to him being REALLY LOVED by the audience maybe even more so than Miles. And most LOVED HIM EVEN MORE in Apollo Justice because it showed the darker side of his character.
Apollo is similar to Phoenix just with a dark background with his family, but that background isn't enough. His character arc and personality are carbon copies of Phoenix and if you ask me MUCH MORE boring. Yes there are some who enjoy him, but those who enjoy him will never be as high as those who love Phoenix. Yes there is the bracelet thing, but his bracelet is so unexplained that it is irrelevant. And there is the Nahyuta and his 2nd father thing... So unnecessary.
As you can see Apollo clearly FAILED to fill in the big shoes that Phoenix left. And thanks to that, the franchise practically cannot survive without Phoenix.
Even ATHENA failed, sure people loved her more than Apollo. But she still failed. All the fans only cared about Phoenix.
What the creators should've done is...
Instead of Apollo, make TRUCY the next protagonist. She has a character arc that is far different than Phoenix and a relatable personality that earned her the love that surpasses Apollo. She has a talent more explainable than some STRANGE bracelet. And her being a playable character would've BEEN SO MUCH MORE FUN.
And make her character arc. Instead of the usual 'Save your childhood friend'. Instead make her objective to save her father (Phoenix). Don't make her adopted, make her his ACTUAL BIOLOGICAL daughter. This is why I think Miles should've been a girl....
Not only would Miles being a girl create a original character arc. It would also be more easy to eliminate her completely. If you ask me... Just like Phoenix, Miles isn't needed in the game anymore. Miles being a girl would allow Phoenix to marry her and have Trucy, and for her to be eliminated? Make her die from giving birth to Trucy.
Anyways back to Trucy's objective to save her father. Instead of Blackquill, make PHOENIX the one arrested and is incarcerated for the forgery. And therefore Trucy had to be raised by Kristoph. She would also work to become a defense attorney to free her dad from prison.
And this is a very original plot, we've all seen how Phoenix, Apollo, and Athena successfully save the people they care about Miles, Nahyuta, and Blackquill.
How about Trucy failing to save her dad?
Yep, that's right. For the last case of Trucy Wright: Ace Attorney. Her father Phoenix Wright died and the murderer was Kristoph.
Trucy FAILED to save her dad, by the time justice was delivered to him and Kristoph got incriminated for the sins he's done... Phoenix was already dead. THAT is how you make Trucy still lose two of her fathers and end Phoenix's character.
And then make the 2nd game of Trucy Wright: Ace Attorney, Trucy dealing with the guilt of not saving her dad.
I love Apollo Justice. It was a great game and the aspects everyone criticizes are what I love about it. It took the idea of the corrupt court further in a natural way. Previously we saw how trials only being limited to three days and how evidence is everything. So in AJ they came to the logical next step where basic logic has practically disappeared to speed trials up and ask no questions cause the evidence suggests something else.
That’s why perceive is a thing. It’s not a real piece of tangible evidence but still a weapon to use against a witness to dig for the next breakthrough in the case.
Hobo Phoenix makes sense as an evolution of the character after his good end was practically taken away from him by some petty rival. It makes sense that in the seven years his name’s been tarnished by an mistake that wasn’t his own that he’d investigate on his own and catch the true culprit and by using his connections to rig a trial in his favor. Seeing Nick return to his AA1 self after both T&T and AJ in DD onwards is disrespectful to the character.
And poor Apollo, Trucy, and Klavier. Klavier barely remembered in DD. Apollo and Trucy getting a glimmer of promise in Case 2 of SoJ before crashing Apollo down with the 27th backstory that means nothing.
I don’t want another Mainline AA since it got off of Takumi’s roadmap after they decided to make AA5 without him.
I’m happy if GAA can continue after Resolve, a brand new AA saga, or even a brand new series from Takumi like Ghost Trick. I just don’t want an AA7 after 5 and especially 6.
Despite The Imprisoned Turnabout being far worse written than both Rise From the Ashes and Serenade, it does handle the replay video mechanic best. I'm sure I'm not alone on this.
In regards to Ema's character, I noticed that in Yamazaki's games, she literally has no personality. This is much worse than her being an emo in AJ, which I actually prefer over her fun, bubbly attitude in RFtA, which I still liked very much. Why? Because as was stated in the video, Ema's change of character in AJ makes sense, and it's very compelling.
I became very fond of Apollo in DD, but I found him boring in AJ and I hated him in SoJ.
I feel like there is a problem with the writing team when it comes to Apollo, particularly where they force him into positions where his character fails to shine.
I have always felt that he is at his strongest when he is the sidekick to Phoenix. Like Robin to Batman or Luigi to Mario. Every time they try to make him out to be better than Phoenix it feels forced and fake. Like Ryden from MGS.
In my opinion, Apollo Justice was right on par with the original trilogy right until the final case. I liked the story and villain of it but it felt relatively weak compared to other final cases.