Roon - What is so great about it?
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KEF LS50 - amzn.to/3aZHMqV
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Buchardt s400 - www.buchardtaudio.com/shop/s4...
Buchardt s300 - www.buchardtaudio.com/shop/s3...
DIY Speaker Kits:
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U-Turn Orbit Turntable - amzn.to/3dcBGoq
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In 2 minutes you explain this Roon thing better than most agonizingly long YT videos. Thanks!
What a great video holy.. what I like is that you went into detail about setting up Roon and the devices necessary.
Best Roon description on CZcams. I've watched dozens by all the big name CZcamsrs and even the Roon CEO. This guy explains Room from a "regular person" perspective. He also does a good job of highlighting what is different and special about the application. I hope he gets a little $$ when I click his link to the 30 day trial.
its a 14 day trial here in Canada lol
Thank You!
I’ve just subscribed to your channel. Clear and informative reviews. Thanks, keep up the good work!
Watched a lot of YT videos about Roon but only your video explains Roon in a 'bit-perfect' way :). Thank you!
Really good at explaining things, keep up the great work your subs will grow fast!
Yes. Extremely well done as an introduction.
Thanks for this. I have built a Roon NUC and have the BS Node 2i and a pi with DAC hat. All works a dream.
I love Roon. I love that it’s more interactive than just a list of songs. I love that I can have multiple set ups and one library. Songs play almost instantaneously instead of a 2 second delay. Rare drop outs. Works with so many streaming devices. I have two headphone set ups, Sonos, and a hi-fi set up. I can stream to different spots or all together (although some streamers can’t mix with other types like Sonos). It’s truly awesome to just have something combines my library together with Tidal and Qobuz and it just works seamlessly.
Thank you! Best breakdown on CZcams 🦾
Great easy no non sense chill review, great job, subscribed.
This was excellent. Very clear explanation and I will likely purchase Roon due to your review.
Great video. Straight to the point and informative!
Raspberry pi was a bit of a tangent, but I imagine it helped some people!
Nice job. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you sir for sharing a very detailed review.🙏🙏💪
Now I know what Roon is, after countless YT videos. Thank you.
I did NOT know about the EQ in Roon. I will follow your link for the trial extension. Thx for the video!
There are also other things that I did not touch on like up-sampling. The link wont extend the trial but it will give you a free 30 days once your subscription starts. Thanks for watching!
That was a clearer explanation than Roon's website.
thamks clear and imformative
thank u
finally!!!! someone explains Roon. Thank you.
I had JRiver for years, it's very good but very different.
roon fascinates me because of the amazing UI and integration with streaming
1. it costs a shit ton of money (120 or so for a year, 700 for a lifetime)
2. i dont need multiple zones... i only use my laptop and my phone (i dunno if my phone would even count as an endpoint for roon)... with no streamers or anything the idea of having spending 120 for roon seems like a stretch
I question the value myself. I use a file share program called soulseek, and I can download anything I want for free and have for 20 years. I donate several times a year to help it stay afloat. I really dont grasp how Roon would be that big of an improvement on my listening considering I have a few bluetooth headphone DACs and media players etc. For example, I have a bluetooth headphone DAC amp combo by Fiio, and me and the wife both have Quad DAC chips in our phones. All of those devices combined cost less than Roon yearly subscription.I am confident it would be great to have and geek out over all the nifty features, but I dont think it solves any problem I have well enough to justify the pricing.
Oh ffs. It went up to $700??? It was 500 when I first did a trial
@@crieverytim It's $850 Canadian. I tried the trial and cancelled within a week. No Qobuz in Canada and I don't burn CD's, I just listen to them. This isn't (IMHO) worth it just to stream my Tidal music. I "unsubscribed" from their emails 5 times and then gave up and just blocked them.
@@thomasmead4642 wow, price has gone way up. I think was 450 before. I like the polish and info as well as suggestions. It's as close to experiencing the joys of a physical collection I've yet to see. I think w a dedicated iPad it would be a slick Interface to my music. And i might have 55 more years if I'm lucky, and if so, worth it at $450. Esp since I have a 3tb library of my own music that I'm hoping it could make sense of. But I'd be bummed I bought it if Tidal shut down.
@@crieverytim What if not Tidal, but Roon went down? Tidal is only monthly.
Nice video. Do you find the Room radio to be Superior to Tidal app? Also, do you find the sound quality to be better than say stock Tidal or Audirvana? Thanks
Cool how you bring up all of my dad's favorite music!
What firmware do you run on those Raspberry Pi's?
Would like to learn more about your Intel NUC setup. Trying to centralize my local media content (ripped music library, family videos, pictures, etc). Is your NUC running an SSD or standard HD? Are you wired or wireless with your LAN connected to your NUC? Is all your local content stored on the NUC HD, or do you have a larger external USB HD attached to your NUC?
I like that shirt dude
Good video..have been thinking about getting into ROON for some time since I have Tidal.
Will pull the trigger this week. Streaming TIDAL via Mac Mini with Air Server.
You do not need Roon for that system. A small streamer DAC would be a much better move, I think.
@@yru435 Yes, not to mention the usefulness of MQA is very questionable to begin win. Better to buy a good DAC that supports the full MQA unfold if you're tied to Tidal and that format.
Very nice explanation, earned a sub! Roon definitely isn’t for me though, set up a Roon Core on my old iMac to test it out and I just preferred the UI and experience that TIDAL’s own app delivered, I like to have my streamed and purchased music from TIDAL’s store in seperate places, too.
I am interested in Roon but I find it still quite expensive for a software.
So it's only for people who have multiple music sources? Roon is to music as Kodi is to home theater?
Room is dead!! BluOS is the new king!!
Didn't Roon recently modify their software not to work with non-Roon certified end points? Not sure it will work with 'any' DAC anymore.
I have a Sonos System and I love how easy it is but it sounds too bad. I tried a Hegel 190 and it sounds great but I don't want to play it through a computer.
Hi there, what an informative video. Thank you. I have a question for you if that's ok...I have a Roon Nucleus which contains a 1tb SSD drive with my stored music. The Nucleus is hooked up to a high end DAC (Matrix Audio Pro Sabre MQA DAC) the sound is great! Why do some people add a Streamer in to the system as well? Roon Nucleus states, "Just add a DAC and you're good to go". Is there any point in purchasing a 'Transport' only Streamer? Thanks
Great question 🙋♀️. I’d like to know that answer.
Hi thanks for an awesome video. All I want is tidal mqa in multiple rooms and im happy. Is roon still the way to goo?
Yes.
Many thanks for the presentation. The best explanation i have seen so far. So is the RPi a Roon Core then? I guess I haven't really understood that yet. The Roon software needs to be installed somehow, right? With my MacBook, it works great. But I need the book for my work :-)
I'm not a hobbyist / "nerd" either and would like to have a Ready To Use device .... What do I need to do or consider? Best Regards
The RPi is ,unfortunately, not able to run the Roon CORE server software (current ones at the time of this review, anyway). It also does not run great on current NAS hardware. Many people, including myself, use an Intel NUC with at least an i3 grade CPU, a spare laptop, or a desktop. The role of the RPi is to be an "end point" for devices that are not Roon Ready. It only has to run the end point RAAT software (i use ropieee) which is much less demanding.
@@hifihometheater Thanks for clarification
No mention of how Roon provides no tech support. They expect other users to help you solve your problem on the forums or you have to spend hours reading thru meandering threads to try to solve the issue yourself. Roon's support, or lack there of, is a glaring shortcoming of the software.
With all this talk of Raspberry Pi I had to go have some. But after 3.14 pieces I couldn't have another bite.
I'd love to try ROON but I'm not willing to put my card details in unless I want it!
Agreed. I Will put my card details only when I will purchase the software.
I have a Moon 790D V2 with MiND 2. It only allows playlists of 250 titles.... Does Roon have the ability to shuffle my entire collection?
Yes Roon will shuffle every track in your library regardless of library size.
Finally got $500 set aside for a lifetime....and it's now $700 :/
I enjoyed your video but you forgot one thing man!! The T- shirt, the T-shirt, the T-shirt. I want that T-shirt so GOOD-D-D
Can you sync the output on multiple devices?
yes. you just have to "group" them in the interface. Super easy.
I used it for a trial and I'm just sold on it. It's cool but without the streaming services like Deezer, Amazon HD, Apple Music or Spotify it just isn't worth the money as I found MusicBee was a better layout and using on the PC had a better user experience.
Pretty cool. So it’s like Spotify for high res files
it does not actually provide any content by itself. Its more like a one-stop-shop to join your music collection and streaming services with some added functionality
@@hifihometheater yeah I know what you mean. I meant in terms of how it curates music, album and artist info and so on
@@Laissez_Faire ah ok. yes, you are correct. I dont use Spotify so I am not familiar with how Roon compares in that area
@4:09 "Roon will software decode Tidal MQA, for the first unfold"
As I understand MQA, the above means that time smearing will be corrected, but only for the source gear (the studio's gear). To have MQA correct time smearing on your end (for your own gear), you need a MQA certified DAC that does MQA core decoding.
I do not know if time smearing is synonymous with jitter. But jitter is bad, and nearly all transports have it (such as playing from a computer). You have to spend considerable $$ to buy a purpose built music player (transport) that focuses on eliminating jitter. I heard one by Innous in a stereo store, and it was almost a religious experience.
The music stopped sounding like it was coming from a stereo, and, instead, sounded like real "in the room with you" singers and their instruments. Once you hear the jitter cleaned up, it is hard to listen to anything else.
I never was not able to understand jitter, because I never heard music without jitter. Every car stereo, and all but very costly CD players, all have jitter.
So I am glad that I now recognize jitter. I am also sad that I can now recognize jitter, because now I hear it, and miss the glorious jitter-free sound in the stereo store.
Sadly, neither Roon nor any other music software can eliminate the jitter that is inherent to mass produced computers.
Excellent video!
@Dude Man MQA is a scam? Please back that statement up.
"It is not needed..."
Other than shelter, food/water, and oxygen, nothing is needed. Music is not needed. Stereos are not needed.
"...there is no reason to compress anything with technology today"
Data over the internet is routinely compressed, depending on the client/server relationship.
Backups are routinely compressed.
MQA is able to stream 192 kHz files at the same bandwidth that 44.1 kHz uses, due to using compression.
There are endless compression operations that get used, because they save bandwidth for companies that use huge pools of data that they stream.
Please do not make up nonsense and post it as if it is factual. You do a disservice to the public.
Cheers!
I would pay bucks for an app which can integrate my Apple Music and CZcams music library in a single app.
Roon is giming
Seems like a very nice piece of software but the lifetime fee of $700 is just ridiculous.
No doubt, I am doing pretty much everything roon does & I only paid $10 for my app lifetime membership LOL
@@seanvan6377 about what app are you talking about ?
Please share !
@@seanvan6377 Please tell what software you are using ?
Will this be dead when Spotify launches HighRes?
So Roon has no content, it's basically a database that pulls all the various digital music files you have plus any streaming service you subscribe to into its interface. The price seems very steep. Paying 700 dollars for a "lifetime" subscription... tech develops at such an exponential rate that Roon could easily become obsolete in a few years...
This is true, but I said this years ago and Roon is still the best.
Do we really need to pay $700 for an audio Wikipedia, if I want to read and know more about the music I use Google. As for MQA, why do I need to pay to decode a lossy proprietary codec when I can use FLAC, DSD, DFF files which are lossless and better quality. WE don't need to use lossy compression anymore, all we want is to hear the music exactly as it was intended and engineered to be heard by the artist. Would you pay to go to a museum to see a compressed version of a Picasso masterpiece.
Good points. I admit that Roon Radio sounds appealing, and the metadata presentation seems attractive, but...all those cool Raspberry Pi devices also work with Logitech Media Server, which is free and constantly updated by its own community, can be controlled by a < $10 smartphone app, and can now also integrate Tidal and Qobuz with your own music collection. Plus, since it doesn’t require a connection to Roon Labs' servers in order to do all that metadata and "curating," you won’t be SOL on your $700 app should the company ever shut down.
My other concern is with the Roon metadata which resides on their servers. There is no way to merge or edit metadata from other sources/ services. ie: Tidal, Quobuz, etc. If you decide to cancel your subscription you loose everything. I don't know about you, but I hate getting locked in to a service and having no control over my data. Also, if you don't maintain connectivity to their servers, you are dead in the water.
You got to have MQA, it's the saviour of audio.😂 Time smearing my a..se.
The monthly price is now 13 dollars, paying that much just to pull meta data isn't very appealing. I'm not really an audiophile, so maybe I can't grasp the value of such a service
Room is giming
Stop making excuses. Qobuz or Tidal + $10/month for Roon to get unlimited music and first class software to listen to almost ANYTHING? Cost is NOT an issue. Roon is freakish in the way it has exposed me to new music. I thought Spotify’s algorithm was good until I tried Roon. Roon is freakish in the way Roon Radio looks at my library and play history to play new music. We live in the golden age of music access and quality. Appreciate it while you can. Nothing is forever. Great video. I use NUC8i3 ROCK. It’s flawless for a $400 investment.
Everything is great about Roon but its pricing model. I don't like to pay software by month and $700 is a ripoff.
$700 is hard to swallow up front. I got in when it was $500. Its all relative though. If you're happy with your current streaming options than its probably not worth it. If you're looking for the next step up and to have the best streaming experience available, you give it more thought. Thanks for watching!
@@hifihometheater yes, $500 was a better price... but $700 is really hard to swallow because that $200 price increase was not based on any improvement or technological reason... it was just a marketing trick to push people to pay the annual subscription. That's not ok in my book. Amazing product, bad attitude.
I agree. Not the best optics
I agree that $700 is a bitter pill to swallow.
But, I’d rather pay that $700, and not have to worry about how I’d integrate together any new devices or songs I add to my collection moving forward.
So, in a nutshell, it’s expensive, but it’s not as expensive as the time I’d waste trying to manage all my different hardware/music library on my own.
And you are right about the price increase, which the team at Roon came out to explicitly say that it was so. They literally said that they DO NOT WANT any lifetime subs because they aren’t good for the longevity of the business, and I can see why.
So I do agree that you are bitter about it, and I’m not exactly pleased with the increase. I still none the less bought the lifetime at 700. I’m fortunate to be in a position in which my income allows me to value the time I would have spent as above that of $700.
And if you also recognise the benefits of the time saved using roon, you’d see why that even at 700 it’s a good investment for your hobby.
That said, what’s 700 when your system probably costs more than 50 times that anyway lol.
@@87togabito A much smarter pricing model would be $1/mo per endpoint. It isn't as though Roon's overhead changes as the subscription volume increases, only support costs. They do not provide the media or data in the pipe, they only aggregate and facilitate. This is why their pricing model just baffles me, and frankly it keeps me far away. If they lowered the price to a per-seat basis like that I can imagine their subscription base exploding.
But given the optics of the price-hike we witnessed as mentioned above, coupled with the fact that there *is* an outlay of time, hardware/$$ and energy for new subscribers/adopters, doing all of that for a subscription based service that may not be around down the road is just as risky as any other option. If the interest is in time savings only then something like Bluesound makes more sense. But that's more money outlay with similar risks.
I dunno. I'm not onboard with all of this yet and still largely view streaming as convenience and novelty from a casual perspective and my investing of time and money reflects it. It's still casual for me. Real listening is with physical media that I own, just as I own the equipment that allows me to play it.
I had the hardest time trying to get this app uploaded on my Windows 10 computer. I kept getting an error message, saying audio kodecs missing. I tried for 1 hour to resolve this issue. Nothing worked. No helpful information on Roon. Forget this crap.
thats for this post... just don't see how its worth $700...
That Roon Rock is free is a lie. Every Roon product cannot be used without a paid subscription
I don't believe I said Roon was free. It definitely is not
Hans Beekhuyzen, the man that thinks Ethernet switches make audio better.😂 has a stack of analyzers, that he never turns on. Better take a trip to audio science review, they sort the facts from fiction.
Intro is too loud
MAQ is bust because it's a fraud lie.😂😂😂. I would rather spend £120 a year on something else. Roon has never made sense to me. It feels like you are paying for nothing.
You lost me at 700
Way overpriced , its a music player wtf
I personally not convinced like at all.