The common misunderstanding of safe router feed direction
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- A detailed tutorial about router feed direction and climb-cutting safely!
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Happy new year Stumpy, thank you for all you share
The way I picture direction is to visualize a clock. An inside cut goes clockwise like the clock hands. An outside cut goes counterclockwise.
I'm pretty sure i remember while reading the manual that came with my palm router, it informed me to let the router carry the cut and to basically go in the direction of the cut, as this would ensure you didn't go too fast or too slow.
Great video. For anyone programming a CNC for wood cutting, climb cuts are almost always the way to go. It help to reduce heat on the bit from dust bogging in the cutter and you get a very nice cut if you use the correct feed rate for your RPM, cutter size, and flute number. Just make sure to have the piece secured enough to handle the torque on the workpiece.
As someone just getting started, I am so grateful for these types of videos that clearly explain how to be safe in complex situations. Thank you.
I got my first router less than a year ago and I was terrified of using it because it was so powerful and compact. But yes, thank goodness these type of videos exist to make me feel better and more confident using it.
I don’t use my router often, however this is a simple way to cut more safely. Greetings from Maine.
I don't typically leave comments on videos unless something impresses me about either the presenter, or the quality of the work/project/technique. In this case, I felt it necessary to express to "Stumpy"/James how impressed I was with this presentation and perfect explanation of proper router technique. Like a tenured professor, James is on point with flawless teaching from his well honed craft. Simple, accurate and extremely helpful and practical are his videos. You won't find any obnoxious, over-puffed, bloviated filler as you see all over you tube, nor will James fail to be thorough in his presentation. Hats off to you sir, you have one dedicated subscriber here. Keep up the fantastic, most-helpful work.
Was going to comment something to the exact same effect. Perfect delivery of useful content.
Amen, friend!
Agreed
Best tutorial I've ever seen for router usage. I saved it before you even suggested. Thanks James.
This guy is always a sane and practical lesson.
For newbies to hand held routers: Until you've got plenty of experience with the tool, ALWAYS push against the cutter, just as you would a circular saw blade. If you lack the confidence with the tool and attempt climb cuts, it may just get away from you and, _best case scenario_ , will only scare the heck out of you. It's no exaggeration a router is the tool requiring the firmest yet simultaneously loosest grip of all power tools. Don't be afraid of it, just don't get cocky ;)
That rule of thumb is a pretty great way to remember! Thanks friend.
Being a machinist for 44 years, it works the same as machine tools. The force of the material and the force of the cutter meet head on. My only issue starting woodworking was to quit trying to measure everything so precise. I would sometimes beat myself up over 1/32”. Wood is much more forgiving than metal.
Thanks James. There's no one better at explaining techniques than you. Your videos are never confusing and I appreciate them .
Thank goodness for this video. It was finally time for me to pay attention to this…some of my scariest moments with any tool have been from careless climb cuts on the router table
I always thought as for reading: Left to Right. If at the router table : inverse, right to left. Easy. I never understood the thumb rule UNTIL Stumpy explained it in this video. Finally I get the rule of thumb because Stumby said the extra word :” touch your thumb on the side you want to route”. Those extra words here and there is why Stumby is so good.
I am a new woodworker and I never heard of the rule of thumb method for routing. Thank you for explaining that. It makes it SO much easier to remember.
Nothing better than seeing these. More people who learn from the top down will not be climbing into an ambulance.
Cheers and Happy New Year to all!
Love the “Rule of Thumb” tip!
Thanks for sharing these valuable tips!
You are a legend! But you are humble, which makes you even more a legend!!!
in school we're working mainly with climb cuts (against the direction of the cut) in the router tables, because the machines are so powerful they can pull the pieces and it's therefore a risk during operation just like you mentioned. We have a feeding machine that we MUST use when we're cutting conventionally (with the direction of the cut). With a CCW (right hand) rotation direction we're working mostly from right to left.
I have been making my head hurt trying to find CZcams videos to understand how to route in the right direction. You’ve just explained it with clarity and brevity. Thank you SO much!!!
The Router in the header led me here, thinking it was a computer related. Good thing that I also have a router tool. Good videos, makes sense, the direction of cutter will make a difference.
Have several routers and have been using them for years, with no accidents, the trick is in knowing there is nothing safe about a router, but this is all good info for new users, GJ Stumpy.
This video is a good refresher if you haven't used your router in a while (like me). I cut a slot on the router table, which went fine. But when I went to widen the slot a little, I moved the fence closer to me, instead of further away, resulting in the back of the spiral bit wanting to do the cutting. The workpiece flew out of my hands to the left, and it snapped the bit off. Lesson learned!
What an excellent video! When I got my first router in 1969 Black and Decker was kind enough to cast an arrow on both sides of the base as a gentle reminder for the feed direction. Since then, I always took a Sharpie and drew arrows on the base of the router or the top of the router table. I use a straight tailed arrow and a curved arrow. Straight tail always indicates the direction of a push cut. A curved tail indicates the rotation of the bit. That has made things simple for me. You bring up an excellent point about taking light cuts. Gentle cuts. I wonder how many people don't know that several light (and even feather light) passes eliminates most burns on the wood.
Best Wishes To You for a Healthy, Happy 2022!
And light passes not only eliminate most burns on the wood, but they're safer, and they make for cooler bits, making expensive bits last longer.
Great tip
Hey CZcams land....LISTEN to the man. On 12.19.21 I took the top of my middle finger off on my router table. I was feeding correctly but for a split second when repositioning the bit caught the workpiece in a climb cut direction and sucked my hand into the router bit. My hand was at least 6 inches away and it still got it. Just a split second finger gone. GREAT content !!!
Dad had us do quite a bit of edge work using molding planes by hand before we were allowed to use a powered router. By hand you can really feel what the cutter is doing and easily recognize when going with the grain vs against the grain and which is most appropriate. Many of those planes couldn't be reversed because of the profile so many light passes were required to get an acceptable result. I recognize that most people don't have access to molding planes, but it really helps to understand what that cutting edge is doing before putting power between the hand and the cutting edge. What's most important overall is to maintain full control of the router and with a firm but gentle hand in both directions let the cutter do its work.
Thank you for breaking this down. I hope many would-be stumpy nubs are never brought into existence thanks to this video.
You and Norm Abrams agree on this. I learned from him years ago from his show and I agree with both of you. Great lesson!
One of those videos I wish I could give more than one thumbs up. Very well explained and something that is easy to get confused even for experienced woodworkers. Thanks!
Excellent job on explaining an important part of router safety. Thanks.
Outstanding instruction and finally, someone explained the proper router direction in a way I could understand!
When doing a climb cut to avoid tear out I start an inch or so from the end of the board and cut back just that inch, then go forward another inch and cut back towards the first cut. Thus I can work my way along the edge an inch or so at a time making it much safer as the bit doesn't have a chance to gain traction. I hope that makes sense!
when you climb cut you conventional cut. got it.
@@BTW... read what he said again.
Don't you end up with rough spots between where all of the different one inch work sections are?
@@DieselRamcharger Sorry if you didn't get what I said, I can't think of another way of putting it.
@@DieselRamcharger What @Cyril Heslop describes is breaking a long climb cut into multiple short cuts. He says he starts an inch from the end of the board and climb cuts towards the end. Then he backs up so that he's two inches from the end of the board and climb cuts towards the end again. Repeat at three inches from the end, four inches, and so on. Sounds reasonable to me.
Best video for a long time! Best advice: try first on a bit of scrapwood under so safe and controlled environment as possible!
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Thanks for settling this debate James. I haven’t seen the earlier video you referred to, but this one was clear, and easy to understand. You’re a great teacher. I’ll remember the thumb & index finger guideline. Sincerely, supremely satisfied subscriber.
Spiral solid carbide help greatly in climb cutting. It is imperative in some curved sections to prevent blow out of grain. Your cautionary approach makes your video excellent!
A climbcut pushes the cutter out of the work and a conventional (push) cut, in the work. That is why finer freehand work seems more controllable using a climbcut. Great video.
Thank you for the refresher on this, I actually printed your diagrams out years ago and keep them near by when Im routing
as others have said, very good video and explanation. I've been using routers for 60 years or more, (yeah, since I was a teenager) I certainly learned from time to time that I was climb cutting. Yes, it can make for a serious mistake if you don't know what you are doing. But I've also heard from so many people that one NEVER wants to climb cut, which I totally disagree with. If I'm cutting anywhere near 1/2 the diameter of the router bit cutter, for sure I'd never want to climb cut, but when cutting less than 1/4 of the router bit diameter, then I might. (of course that depends somewhat on the diameter of the bit. LARGE diameter bits I might say much less still) I have found that normally I rout in the Non climb cut direction, but for a final pass, especially where the grain is easily torn, I rout IN the direction of climb cut. It makes for a smoother cut! Normally this is when I'm only cutting 1/8" or so with the router in that pass. Not every time, but when there is potential for tear out, and it is convenient for me, that is what I will do. I hold onto the router firmly, and often will go over the work twice.
Excellent!
Clamp the piece firmly -- always.
Hang on tight, don't let the router take charge. Do that every time and you won't have to think if it's a climb cut.
If the wood is questionable or the cut deep, make a thin test cut, and then small bites.
Only work on the side facing you if possible.
Stuck collet? Rap the nut lightly but sharply perpendicular to the shaft with a wrench or similar.
The “hold out your right thumb and pointer finger” moment definitely triggered a lot of electrical engineering/physics students 😂😂😂
Thank you for giving us all these nice tips and tricks. This makes perfect sense, thanks for clarifying.
Thanks again Jim - Good advice, well presented; "Stumpy Nubs - the most reliable addition to your shop!"
I had a router (1970's,) when I was new to using those things, that would eventually allow the bit to work it's way down and out of the collet no matter how much it was tightened and locked in. I had to use a light climb cut in a couple of passes before pushing it in the normal direction so it wouldn't take too big a bite. I got a pretty good touch at it and thought that was normal.
the rule a thumb is nice, I always like confirmation (two references), this helps. this is so easy, why I am confused by it is a mystery. thanks!
Best instruction video’s on CZcams,
Not exactly on topic, but I cut a ton of carbon fiber with a cut-off wheel die grinder, and I usually climb cut. One reason is that if the cutter grabs, you can allow the grinder to rise up and away from the work, rather than down (it tends to rotate away from the work with your wrist or hand being the pivot point). Another reason is that it directs the flow of dust and chips away from your face.
it may be more risky, and take more of a practiced hand, but after years of doing it (on some very expensive work) it's worked well for me.
as for routers on carbon fiber, it doesnt seem to matter much which direction you are going. maybe because we use abrasive bits rather than cutting bits.
I’ve had a workpiece fly out of my hand at the router table. Template routing a curve and not minding the change in grain direction. Almost got my hand. But the workpiece flew right into my project table top and had to be done over due to impact damage. Lessons learned that day, the hard way. This tip is valuable! Great content!
You really do a great job with these safety/skill tutorials about power tools. Your other content, like the tour of the pseudo-Shaker chest of drawers, is just as good, but for the short, focused instruction you provide here, you are really the gold standard in my book.
Another great tip. Glad I always try to pay attention in Stump School Classes.
This newbie to router use greatly appreciates your video on the subject
Another great video and an important one. I now really understand the cuts a router can make and when to use which! Thanks James!
I don't use my hand held or router table much, but when I do, I manage to spend the first 20 minutes spinning the router bit, then visually flipping over my workpiece, 2, 3, 7 times in my head...before finally giving up, going back in the house and cleaning the lint out of my dryer screen. This video was a great help. "Which way does the wheel want to go? -- Don't push it that way..."
Thanks again James. In the wood room I teach kids that "router table + climb cut = crossbow", just not one you can aim. I'll add "eats your fingers" to that adage. :-) Happy New Year
Excellent, clear, useful, good advice without histrionics. This was a great refresher for me and I wish I had seen a similar video when I started out with the router years ago.
Well explained Often I'll use a short (< 1") climb cut at the first corner of an edge to prevent the bit from grabbing the end grain of the adjacent edge.
Thanks, Jim! Your talks on safety are invaluable.
Thank you for always making me a better woodworker James. You're amazing! Live long and prosper, especially in 2022.
your videos are very relaxing, I fell a sleep every time! keep up the good work
In machining we use the terms conventional milling and climb milling. Push cut as you explain it is equivalent to conventional milling. Conventional milling eliminates the milling cutter pulling the work into the tool causing an unintended deeper cut "bite" as it takes up any backlash in the axis drive train. This can break a mill and/or damage the work piece.
Woodworking has the same dynamics and you add grain tear out dynamics for more fun! There are simple rules to follow and you covered them adequately. Thank you for acknowledging that multiple dynamics affect the wisdom of choosing climb or conventional milling. In general climb milling with a hand held router or in the router table is far riskier than conventional milling.
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James - You always have safety first, as should we all - and your explanations are easy to understand and always on point and interesting. Easily the best woodworking site out there. Thank You!
wow thank you this makes perfect sense now and was something I'd always struggled with as a concept.
Another great video, thanks, these types of videos are so making my woodworking safer and better.
Excellent overview! Nice to clear up a lot of confusion on climb vs. push cut and when to use them. Well done!
I needed this video back in 2000. I was building an easel and routing sliding dovetails in a router table you're going the wrong direction. I have five little scars on my left thumb to prove it
oh my word where has this video been since i started wood working. thank you!!!
One of my early mistakes happened one day while I was using the router table to cut chamfers on some half by half material. I had no idea which direction to feed my stock through until the tool ripped the piece from my hands threw it against the far wall with so much force that I'm sure it could have cracked a rib. I've been very careful about router feed direction ever since.
This really helps to clarify how to use a router. A trick that I use is that it is a drill that only turns clockwise, except that it isn't a drill of course.
I was trying to some wooden utensils based on existing ones as a router template. Using a flush trim bit with bearing, I ended up splitting the grain as I rounded the curve, and wrecking my work piece. This video helps me understand what actually happened, when the split piece turned into a projectile (away from me, thankfully). Thanks for the video, you definitely go above and beyond to explain the science behind things, and I appreciate the always relevant measures toward safety.
Thanks for keeping it simple. As a newbie, this is the type of info I cherish.
Hiya, thank you for this wonderfully informative video. The thumb and finger think were perfect! Stay safe, Steve...
THANK YOU for making this tutorial!! It cleared up several points of confusion that I had after trying to learn this from several other sources.
Thanks James. It’s always good to hear and re-hear this info.
Push cut were intuitive for me, never really thought about it, even on composites.
Yep, a similar principle applies when milling in a machine shop. Especially when using older equipment.
Thanks, I'm a beginner with the router but have a lifetime of experience with machines - so could feel the climb cut was less stable, but didn't know when and why to use it. This video was absolutely clear and now I know to be especially wary of the climb cut when I set up my router table. Brilliant teaching, Stumps.
I want to get a router so I can start building hobby guitars and this video is exactly what I needed to see. Thank you!
One of the most stacked shops I've seen! And you know how to use them, this helped me alot!
Great tips James! Thanks for making this less confusing!
Thanks James, I hope you and yours have a wonderful Happy New Year. And looking forward to more great CZcams videos. Thanks for all your efforts. Cheers, Tom
I always remember to "feed as you read" for hand-held routing.
Only wood sensed youtuber that I actively follow well done Dr. Nubs
Thanks for another great video, your video always have the safest way of working with the equipment. The little tricks you add in make working with power tool a lot safer, can't wait to see your 2022 projects..
Love the thumb trick! Now hopefully I won't forget it
Spot on! It's as if you were predicting what I was thinking as the video progressed!
The only other thing I would have mentioned would have been about routing the end grain of a board. The right side corners with chip out when pushing.
Excellent video. Never felt comfortable using a hand held router but liked it in a table. Will give it a go. Thanks.
This video does a much better job of explaining this subject than your previous one. Thanks James and Happy New Year to you and your family.
thanks for this,i wish id seen this a while ago.i nearly lost a finger to a climb cut on a router table when i first got it...now i know why.
I was always taught the rules to memorize... when using a handheld router, go counterclockwise on the outside, clockwise on the inside and when using a router table, always feed right to left.
Whenever I am using my handheld router, I start the motor with the bit about an inch away from the workpiece, then slowly move the router toward the workpiece until the bit starts cutting. I can feel which direction the router wants to pull, so then I know to push it the opposite direction. I will sometimes climb cut only *after* push cutting around a corner to clean up any small tear-outs or burn marks from the original push cut. Also, when I finish a cut, I move the router and bit away from the workpiece without lifting the router, turn the motor off, wait until the bit completely stops, then lift the router. Yeah, it takes longer, but I think it's safer. I've made enough scary mistakes to know that I need to minimize any chances of really hurting myself. I follow the same procedure of not moving the workpiece until the bit/blade stops with my miter and table saw as well. In fact, my owner's manual for my miter saw (Makita) recommended doing it that way, and I thought it made a lot of sense, so that's what I do all the time. I'd rather work a little slower and be a little safer. I know others might have a different opinion.
OMG! Rule of thumb is genius!!
Thanks for yet another practical and useful video. I need to enhance my router skills and this should help.
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Hi James. Brilliant as usual. All the best for the new year and here’s hoping for a healthier 2022 for us all. 🌞
This content is just too good man, congrats and thank you.
I just got a new router for Christmas and am looking forward to using it. You probably just saved me from ruining a project or worse! Love the channel. Many thanks and happy new year.
climb cutting, I learned the hard way while trying to route some aluminum with a 3/4" by 1/4" shank straight bit......conventional is the way to go, but a very light climb cut will give a better finish on a final cut....at least if you are routing aluminum.....great video Dr. Nubs....cheers from Florida, Paul
Thank you James for this video, very helpful! I never tire of your instruction. It's amazing to me how much knowledge you have about woodworking and your willingness to share that with others.
Keep the videos coming!
Excellent tutorial and graphics. Thank you! I’m going to make iPad Pro screen shots of the diagrams and place them in an Apple “Notes” App file for quick reference. A .pdf file with those illuminating illustrations would be terrific addition to your resources links.
Mr Bonathan, our 8th grade shop teacher in 1964, would not let us use the router. He said it might get away from us. But in 1982 the wife came home with a Bosch router.
Those graphics are very helpful for newbies to routers, like me. Thanks!
Thanks James! Sure appreciate all of your knowledge and willingness to share with everyone!
Happy New Year to everyone!!
Thanks for this. Preparing to build a pair of Tower speaker cabinets from 3/4" Red Oak and will need to use a router for some of it. Not a tool I have a lot of experience with and I need to cut circles with recesses for the speakers and round off the edges of the cabinets so they look less boxy. I'm more of a carpenter than a cabinet maker so I need all the help I can get. Thanks for the video! : )
As always, your video is right on the mark.