The Station Nightclub Fire | Dark Dark World - Episode 24
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- čas přidán 1. 09. 2020
- A series of foolish mistakes and neglectful actions lead to an horrific fire at a rock concert in Rhode Island.
*Sources: CZcams, Wikipedia, Jack Russell's website for JRGW LLC, Mark Arsenault; The Providence Journal
*Music by: Jordan Crittenden, Eighty Front Street, Anno Domini Beats, Doug Maxwell, Biz Baz Studio
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If Brian hadn't continued filming this horror, the public would not have seen how horrendous and rapidly this spread. The fire department has used this as a valuable learning tool for the firefighters and for the rest of us. Never again will I not know every exit and to locate myself near an exit and to be always aware of danger. He did a service
Agreed! 100% Thanks for the comment!
So many have said he hindered people from escaping, what a bunch a bullshit.
People just tried to blame him because he had a camera and was a reporter, to me it looked like he moped faster than lot of the other people and what about other people who hindered others or didn't help, why should only he be blamed and charged I don't get it, specially as it seemed he moved as fast as he could and the footage is very important for safety too, I think it has saved lives.
Also 100% agree.
The irony of the entire incident should be the reason he was there to film in the first place. He was LITERALLY doing his job that night.
The original video is not a watch for everyone but those in medical, rescue, firefighters, hell even club goers should see it to understand it fully.
Plus - it truly shows you he did not get in anyone's way - he was being pushed out by the crowd.
They used to give Pulitzer Prizes to photographers and news outlets for documenting breaking news events like this and here they both got sued.
I live in Rhode Island. I will never forget this!! My son was going to go there that night but could not because he could not find a babysitter for his children! Now we have a memorial on the site of the fire! Just a terrible tragedy!!
Did you know that the next lyrics of the song they were performing would have been "This is the time to stay out all night, I've got a FIRE like a Heavenly light!" But the fire started so the song ended. Creepy coincidence
My friend who was there now is an advocate for sprinkler systems which this club should have had. I had gone to this bar before and knew it was a disaster waiting to happen. It was about the money not the safety. I’m still angry. I lost many loved ones. This was a needless tragedy. It never had to happen.
I'm so sorry to hear it. Thank you for sharing, Kat! 🙏
Many of the people who survived this are sprinkler advocates now
They were covered by the grandfather clause buildings built decades ago do not have to adhere to present day codes. Hopefully, this has changed now.
Shouldn’t Brian Butler have received a Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News? He captured an event extremely rare and extremely valuable. All the historic fire disasters of the last century do not have actual real time footage of the origin of the fire and the reaction of victims. Butler’s footage was invaluable for investigating the fire, fire prevention techniques and legal discovery which Butler and his station were targets of in the following years.
He did exactly what one should do during a fire. Calmly leave the venue and his most important role outside was not trying to provide hopeless aid but to document the carnage for experts like nobody present could do.
Funny how the only time the main stream media tells the truth is in a rare event when they actually capture it on live TV. Other than this instance, we all have been lied to for decades and continue to be. Everything you think you know in life is wrong, thanks to the media who never tell any truth and the public school systems. 2020 proves it.
He documented it so well, and as you had said, this is an extremely rare event, that to watch it through is completely surreal.
Agreed but what's to investigate? Some idiot or idiots burnt the place down with dumbasssery. Who Could've Foreseen (tm), well any average 6 year old. There's just no excuse.
I ordered Gina Russo's book last week and I can't wait to read it. I heard it's really really gut-wrenching testimony and a must-read.
i read her book was riveting and moving
Reminds me of a ww2 documentary where a British veteran said what horrified him was the men screaming inside burning tanks, often stuck inside. Often inside burnt tanks, there were only skeletons.
I know exactly what he’s talking about. Every year when it gets close to the 9/11 anniversary I feel compelled to watch the footage of the second plane striking the south tower and then watching both towers collapse. I also love that show seconds from disaster. I think it’s called mega disasters now.
In the very late 90's or the year 2000 I met Jack Russell. I was working in the Converse Factory Store here in Tulsa, OK. at the time, I was in management. Great White was playing in Tulsa on this day and he came into the store looking at stuff, saying he was a Converse endorser and wanted to get some stuff. We had a setup for that, everyone had a code that designated who they were and in order to get free merchandise we had to have that code to put into the registers to track the product. Well, I told him that and he kept repeating that he was an endorser. Didn't pull the "do you know who I am" card but I had to tell him 4-5 times that if you just get that code we'll be happy to give you whatever you want. He and whoever he was with on that day said they'd be back and he'd get his code. He left empty handed and we never heard from him again. So yeah, he was a useless piece of crap long before this.
LOL that's hilarious. Thanks for sharing that, and thanks for listening!
I blame Scott Viera. He blocked the exit and sent people to their deaths including his wife.
He may be a useless piece of crap, but this story of yours doesn't prove it. He asked five times, big deal.
Seems like everyone passed the buck on whose fault it was. The owners should have had sprinklers and other safety measures in place. The band should have never been able to use pyrotechnics. The smugness of the lead singer and bouncers make me sick.
There is a lot of stuff in this video that doesn't match other accounts, or the official reports from the grand jury testimony and the NIST report. The number of people in the club is debated, with the final number closer to 350, based on the number of people who participated in the civil lawsuits and made reports to the police and grand jury. There is also evidence that Great White's manager used pyro at other venues, without even asking for permission. I can't remember where I saw it, but there is a copy of the order form used to get the foam for the walls, it says "sound foam," which by industry standard is fire-retardant. The foam that was delivered was standard packing crate foam, and without the technical knowledge to know the difference, the owners didn't know it was the wrong thing. The fire marshal also approved it after it was installed. There is a lot in this case that was negligent, but none of the people involved had any intention to harm anyone. They were just stupid.
Ty Longley did not reenter the venue to get his guitar. He and a friend of his tried to make it out through the atrium. His friend made it but Ty died.
Jack's lawyers telling him to not say sorry is honestly probably 100% true.
Even insurance companies tell you not to say I'm sorry after traffic accidents because you're admitting fault.
Your part at the end about blocking fire exits reminds me of a Mitch Hedberg joke. Do they think if there's a fire, you aren't going to exit as well?
Lol I love it! Thanks for the comments, Troy!
But the road manager did say sorry. In fact, he wrote a letter asking forgiveness to each of the victim's families.
I've been thinking about this event a lot over the years and i've been wondering about something lately : would it be worse if it happened today with so many people literally glued to their phones all the time as if their lives depended on it? Taking selfies before attempting to walk out during the crucial first seconds ("Joe take a picture" x 50) ? (for the record, i'm typing this from a laptop). It's like having a filtered version of reality. I wonder if people's reaction to the fire would have been even slower than in 2003...
Talks about when the fire starts at about 15:00
When this happened, footage of Butler's film was shown on TV. When the fire started he spoke and he said something like "This is dangerous!" I believe he spoke as you saw the film (or him actually) glide over to the part of the room to exit. Later on this was audio was not heard on the film anymore. A friend remarked on it many times that his voice was removed from the film. I have watched many videos of this fire and can't find his voice at the point the fire begins. I wonder why it was removed? But anyway, his instincts were very much correct . . . over alot of people that surprisingly didn't react like he did. Amazing!
That first portion of the Butler video, prior to the fire, is still on YT minus it's audio. Not every person shown at the stage died however. Several who were right at the stage survived because they escaped thru broken atrium windows, the kitchen exit across the bar, or even thru the windows next to the main entrance. All were burned, some severely, in addition to other injuries. The key was avoiding the deathtrap in the hallway leading to the front entrance, and luck.
It's on CZcams. You just have to poke around for it. You'll know it when you see it because it shows people having drinks at the bar, and it pans across the stage. Like I described in the episode. That's how I knew all that stuff that Butler was doing before the show STARTED. Good luck, Happy hunting!
Those blocked in stampede were in the middle. Many in the back escaped through band exit and windows. One guy that have known the local, just have walked to the kitchen and then past to kitchen's door that was open.
@@bestopinion9257 Yeah I was genuinely surprised how many managed to get out even after the 2 minute point. What a nightmare that must have been!
Thanks for going over things step by step. I don't think I've ever heard of your channel. Oh, and I found two videos of the whole thing only, but it sounded horrifying.
That POS bouncers name is Scott Veira, he lost his wife in the fire. He moved on. When he was approached by a victim, years later, he had a smug attitude about it. Smiling? He lost his wife....guess some people grief differently
@Death Spaniel cause he was at the exit.
@Death Spaniel he turned people away before the fire got very bad. Even though the flashover took place :90 seconds in, remember seconds feel like minutes and a lot can happen in however long it took the bouncer to send people to the main exit. Look at the picture, he’s the guy with the cigarette in his mouth, he’s already looking toward the people. Btw, his wife was standing there when the pyro went off. There’s several pictures at that angle you see, and they had her, the two bouncers, Al (the drummer from the opening act) and the band manager who set the pyro off
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@@TheMbeagan can you link more pictures or context? I see this claim made a lot but cant find any evidence he turned his wife away
I really enjoyed this podcast. I appreciate the detail and your insights. There is an excellent video on CZcams where John Barylick (one of the attorneys for the victims) gives a presentation to a group of other Tort law attorneys and fire officials from varying counties. One of the things that shocked me the most was learning that the exact same building (without any modifications or expansions) went from a maximum occupancy of 50-60 when it was a restaurant, to over 200 once it became a bar, to over 300 when the owner who eventually sold to the Derderians was trying to sell it, to over 400 once the Derderians bought it. Like, how does that even work??? Fire and inspecting officials were definitely partially at fault here, but were not held responsible. Soaring occupancy numbers, turning a blind eye to the building not being retrofitted with a sprinkler system, and "not noticing" the over 900 square feet of foam on the walls and ceiling definitely created a perfect storm for a disaster. I find this fire fascinating because any of us could be in the same situation at any time. Thank you for the video!
Thank you for the comments, and thank you so much for listening! Really appreciate the feedback, glad you enjoyed it. Thanks again!
yes! I saw that presentation. One of the most captivating presentations I have ever seen.
In Rhode Island fire inspectors were immune from prosecution for their mistakes unless malice was involved. That may have changed since this fire.
Thank you. That was such a thoughtful video. Subscribed.
And thank you!
Part of the Matthew Pickett audio recording from the inside of the club can be heard here, synched to the usual Brian Butler footage. czcams.com/video/zUndJG44Moc/video.htmlm40s
This was great, thanks for sharing this!
Thanks. I don't know how many inaccuracies there may be, but I've been looking for something talking about how Brian Butler came into all this. I can hear him talking in the footage of the real fire, and I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to have to film.
I've already seen the butler video.hauntingly horrific.especially hearing people scream "I'm gonna die!" Or "get the fuck off of me".can you imagine if there was a security surveillance video that filmed the entire fire from inside the club.omg
It was pitch dark.. it was over in seconds.. most of the screaming was from outside! You know because he goes around the side immediately after going out the front and saying "is anyone in there' and it's silent! Seconds after the flash over. The suffocated immediately..
I'd like to see every public venue point out emergency exits at the beginning of every performance. They do on airlines but they also should at all venues.
I never used to think about the safety of the establishments I've been in, until I heard about tragedies like this. Things like this have made me more aware of my surroundings. I'm glad I'm not the type of person who wants to be out in large crowds either.
Irony. Safety video. Safety measures were ignored.
Great episode, thanks for keeping this in the public eye almost 18 years later. This tragedy should never be forgotten and we should learn from it. The authoritative source on this fire is the book Killer Show by John Barylick, the lead prosecutor who represented the victims and their families. It contains a few inaccuracies but for the most part covers everything in this podcast and more.
If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, there is a forum where people discuss the fire. Here is the link - findadeathforum.com/showthread.php?38126-Station-Nightclub-fire-in-West-Warwick-Rhode-Island-2 Many in the forum are true crime buffs who want to learn more about the fire. While participating in the forum I posted (and still host) a Google drive with legal files, audio and video related to the fire. Here is that link - drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1FWXWcUSCRDZ09fMVhZMVROQUk
Thanks so much! We appreciate the feedback. We listened to a podcast where John Barylick was interviewed and it was great. Definitely want to read Killer Show. Thanks again!
Thanks Lori. No, I didn't know anyone in the fire, but like you said, it's haunting and it sucks you in. I think having video of the fire is the main reason for that though. And you're right, fire is often underestimated. It's a wild beast and it must be respected. Most people truly don't understand how quickly it spreads. Thanks for the comment and thanks for listening!
@Lori miss No I don't know any survivors personally. But after reading Killer Show and joining the forum I became pretty obsessed with the fire. The legal files on my Google drive include witness statements from every single survivor. It helps to piece together where everyone was and how they got out. They were the lucky ones, even though some had horrible injuries. I always check for the nearest exit now, wherever I go!
@Lori miss Lol my bad, sorry. Thought you were asking me :)
A quick addition about the 'acoustic' foam they put up. It was actually cheap white packing foam that was spray painted black. That increased the flammability big time. Fuel to the fire for sure.
It was two types of foam.
I lived in RI and was a teenager when it happened. I taught religious education to kids and they were so afraid. They knew people and were directly effect. I remember stressing it doesn't matter what religion someone was, because so many kids were scared their friend's parents were going to hell. I was not going to have that these were six ans seven year olds. We spent our class talking about fire safety. I was teaching for community service for my school, and let me tell you, religion was much less important than helping those kids. We talked about their feelings. Something to remember when these tragedies happen, the kids see and hear it all, too. It impacts them.
Love your clips here!!!! Appreciate may be a better word. Also as an observation, when I was listening to the audio of the fire, I heard someone calling for Brandon over and over. I looked it up and found out that Brandon survived, but it's scary, listening to the calls for various people and wondering if those people ever made it out. I'm commenting as I listen to your video, so that's why there are so many comments lol.
You've got a very keen ear! Thank you so much for the feedback and thank you for listening!
My question is what made the manager think he was qualified to use pyro. Yes they owned the product used..they have used pyrotechnics for other gigs but they had used a licensed technician! The items used were not made for indoor use,and were too long a burn time and the wrong height. They are labeled for safety with the 2x the height needed and the time of burn for safety! If it burns 6 ft high it is labeled 12ft x the amount of time it burns! So there definitely is negligence here in a very clear and precise way! They are also labeled with if it is for indoor or outdoor use !. Even if a tech wasn't hired for the show ( we don't shoot without permits and insurance!) But we also will give a warning ⚠️ of what is NOT TO BE USED INDOORS,as techs most of us know and may even in some cases tell a tour or stage manager what can be used and how to read the product,also what immediate dangers we see here! ( foam sound insulation, curtains, banners,artificial trees or plants etc) even how to check firefighting equipment and how many "dedicated fire watch" employees are going to be needed for safety.
But to ignore the need for space that is clearly labeled by the MANUFACTURER to make these items "idiot proof" AND SAFE..WORLD WIDE..( AND THAT DID TAKE MANY MANY YEARS TO GAIN TRUST...
truly..Truly! ...TRULY .. TAKES A VERY SPECIAL AND SPECIFIC KIND OF STUPID IGNORANT AND SELFISH PERSON . THIS ACT OF FOOLISH NOT ONLY CAUSED PROPERTY DAMAGE,LOST LIVES,LOSS OF TRUST TO THE WORLDWIDE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO TO ME AND OTHER TECHNICIANS AND PYROTECHNIC COMPANIES. 9/11 HURT OUR INDUSTRY, over 50 companies in USA went under.. and now this 1 man,has me starving for over a year.. honestly! I'm not able to eat daily! AND I've no way of knowing if or when ill get work. There's not even insurance here to feed us or help with rent ,🙏 I'll survive,but damn you dude!
May the fleas of 100,000 camels infest your armpits,and other areas of your body!
I in no way a trying to lessen the lives lost. I just wanted to point out the other half from a local pyro technician position..ive done gigs like this,and walked away from some knowing and warning what I said here..and instructed why a venue was not suitable for That product that a band had. Often a quantity is purchased for use as it is cheaper than just 1 item at a time plus haz mat shipping. So teaching people how to read a labeled gerb..START WITH
"FOR PROFESSIONAL USE ONLY"
,! That is for everyone's attention and safety! Then the other label info..if you don't get it then take a picture and DM A TECH OR PYRO COMPANY,EVEN PLEASE USE THE PHONE NUMBER ON THE ITEM..IT CAN BE DIALED 24/7. WE WANT SUCCESSFUL SHOWS. ACCIDENTS HURT EVERYONE. IF ANYONE WANTS TO LEARN THE PROPER WAY TO USE FX THEN HMU OR CALL A PYRO COMPANY NEAR YOU FOR TRAINING SCHEDULES. BUT ILL HELP ANYONE TO BE SAFE.. JUST BECAUSE I MAKE IT LOOK VERY EASY..I AM BRINGING 40 YEARS PLUS OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH ME. AND MY LICENSES FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR FX..AND HIGH ALTITUDE FIREWORKS. ( THIS GUY HAS GOT YOUR BACK!)
May you live long enough to have a 1000 bedroom palace,and spend a sleepless and sexualy teased but never getting off night in each room! If you do not get in touch with a tech b4 trying product b4 a live audience and or band.
🎯🎯🎯❤️❤️❤️
Thank you Very much for your indepth view of the band members, the video man,and the Court cases.
Much of these details I never knew until I watched your video.
Thanks so much for the kind words of support. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Note the “Danger” written on the side of the brown box which probably held the fireworks!!
No I don't think Jack has watched it.. it's really the only way to know how truly traumatic, chilling, and hopelessly frightening it is! The more I hear about Jack Russell and how he's responded to this over time.. it's giving me a different opinion of the guy. "He's really not in good shape though these days " probably drugs and alcohol. He had a great voice back then.. but I can't say the same for his persona or conscious as a human being. Some people can be so selfish and so cold.. all about me me me! Like playing that song again.. who the hell wants to hear that now!? If you know what happened 10 seconds into it.. my God!
I'm back. I first commented 2 mos ago.
New sub then, I was the first to mention the Ty Longley thing.
Anyway. If you listen to the footage with decent earbuds, you can hear about 10 minutes in, a guy in the parking lot screaming for Bridget. He does this over the course of 7 min.
Then he says what would ultimately be true.
Bridget no, Bridget fuckin burned up in the building.
She hurried to the bathroom just 45 seconds before the fire ignited with a friend. When they realized the mayhem that was occuring they both called 911. They stayed in the Ladies room. They died as the room filled with smoke as the fire took hold of the ceiling end to end within 6 minutes of ignition.
They were later found unrecognizable.
Both young. Long long lives ahead of them. I believe 21 & 23?
Patriotic Traditionalist Constitution Party sad
@Mario Napoleoni jr. I wish I could get more information from a concert goer who perished. I believe his name was Brian Smith. He looks so familiar. I'm a few states south of RI but we would always have Outta towners stay in Philly and particularly one area where the music scene was most dominant. The South Street area attracted youth from all over the Northeast United States in the late 90s early 2000s. He looks like someone who hung at this record store I Used to hang out at/ frequent.
That was her uncle...hes the guy carrying a victim over his shoulder in video
um does anybody else red flag kids reading the disclaimer why did they choose kids instead of adults
Yep, plenty of people have beef with that. We hear about it all the time. It's my 10 year old son reading it. The idea is that the best way to flag something as maybe not being appropriate for all ages is to have a kid telling you that it's maybe not appropriate for all ages. Some people get that, some people don't like it. Kind of like our show in general, I guess lol
First time listening. I cannot label myself as an SNF (station nightclub fire) expert but I have followed the event for years.
You've got the gist of it however there are several inconsistencies.
One is a long time internet rumor so I cannot wholely fault you. The Ty Longley incident.
Ty leaped from the stage as did the band and crew, but he didn't exit.
Ty ran over to his friends who were in the clubs atrium or the "greenhouse". In the matter of moments he was overcome by the toxic gasses.
I think you should revisit this topic at a later date once you complete your other shows. I could lead you to a dozen sources for research including a FOIA claim in which the AG released 80% of the case files, witness testimony etc.
Good luck with the podcast. I'm going to sub.
Hey, thanks for the comment! And thank you especially for handling it in a respectful way. Some people aren't so kind about errors, so I appreciate that you were. Do you have a specific source for the Longley info? At some point I'll see if I can pull that part out. If you want you can email me at darkworldpod@gmail.com
Thanks so much for listening and subscribing!
@@darkdarkworld thank you. The world has lost class and integrity.
It's easy to be a prick to strangers. But why?
You should look into John Barilyck (may be misspelled). He was the lawyer at the civil trial.
Its very interesting and Monumental in terms of how he acquired 160+ Million dollars for the survivors.
I appreciate how you made it a point to mention the extreme injuries.
I feel as though when one hears 30 injured they think it's a dozen fat lips and another dozen and a half broken arms/fingers.
No. Not in this case. These injuries produced 2nd, 3rd and 4TH DEGREE burns
@@bigdaddy2343 I completely agree with your take on integrity! Feels like internet vitriol is at an all-time high too.
I listened to a podcast where Barylick(you just flipped the y and the i) was interviewed. I found he had a lot of great insights. I should read his book, Killer Show.
@Zach Moore that video and Event haunted me for a long long time and reading about the iroquois theater fire too. Human error leading to mass casualty. Horrific
@Zach Moore Two things the public won't see. The audio that was on the inside pocket of a concert goer who used to tape shows. He was well known in the cassette trading culture. Trading live shows in the internet's infancy was huge. The second Thing WAS available until a lawsuit occured. The Hi-Def version of the tape. Where you can see everything clear as day. It was available online from 2003-2006. Now we get the compressed version. I have in my possession the 21 min version. Pre show and fire.
I heard the flashover was so powerful that it roared from the point of ignition to the rear exits lighting everything in its way ablaze. Including the heads of people in the way.
The 7 min pre show interviews with the crowd adds to the horror and it becomes a personal experience. You become part of it if that makes sense.
Another frightening part is if you watch a better version with good headphones you can hear the cries as butler passes the atrium
I can go the rest of my life not hearing dessert moon! It's just too much of a reminder.. after you've done seen the video. I remember this happing back then because of knowing great white and hearing the guitarist died in a fire, I never really realized that 100 people died! Until watching that video and more recently.. lately I've been watching a lot of doc's and podcasts about it just simply captivated and it's quite traumatizing.. I've played in clubs just like that before as a guitarist myself! And this horrible event scared the shit out of me! I wish the survivors well.. and rip to the victims. Just a terrible terrible loss..
Great comment! Thanks for sharing, and thank you for listening!
It was "keepable" :) Awesome video. New sub.
Thank you so much!
The owners had sold The Station and this was one of Jeff ‘s last night there.
That is so scary! Rip everyone!
There was no intent to harm that’s why it was never a criminal trial.
🤣🤣🤣BULLSHIT. NO INTENT?! Just that damn STUPID then? Again the average 6 year old could tell that pyro in a low ceiling venue is not a good idea. DUHEEBA.
Typical broadcast news reporter.
Sanctimoniously preach about something to a television audience while ignoring it in his own business.
They make fire proof foam maybe if they were not so cheap they could have had that kind instead ..
Fire is not insane it is just fire and only requires fuel it also has no measure of how big it can get or how destructive it can get
I think he meant 20 to 30 seconds
I don't know about there not being a reason for the audio. I am totally blind, and so am listening to this. Luckily I was able to find the vid of the whole thing. Could you at least put the vid up in the description for anyone interested? Keep up the good work.
Why can't you look it up.. it takes 2 seconds? It's pretty horrible though
@@MM-ig1iv Um, I'm guessing you didn't see the part where I said I found the audio????? Which would imply I did look it up?
So I did some research about Ty Longley and there's this rumor that has been going on for 17 years now. I don't blame you for this but this was it.
Ty Longley leaped into the stage but didn't exit yet. He went into his bandmates, Jack Russell and another band member. Jack Russell and the other band member barely escaped alive but not before inhaling smoke (smoke inhalation).
Ty Longley was about to go but the smoke got up to him and he was killed by smoke inhalation just 25 seconds before the fire got up to his body and burned him alive. The falsely rumor is that he forgot his guitar when he leaped off the stage and went to the exit so he went back but got killed by the smoke. Half of the story is true but he didn't went to the exit nor did he forgot his guitar. There is some dark footage that I don't want to show you that shows that he had his guitar before his death. But ya I just wanted to tell you. It's ok for the errors and I don't know if someone else told you but sorry for correcting you i just wanted to let you know about the false rumor. Not your fault by the way. 2 of my friends went to the night club fire when I used to live in Rhode Island and only one survived. My other friend died. RIP Jack. My other friend claimed to have seen Ty Longley war the smoke with his guitar and filmed him. I have the footage today but me and my friend promised to never two it to anyone because its extremely sad and I will never forget my other friend. There was also many other footage from the fire that caught Ty Longley with a guitar and you can try to check them out later on. Anyways bro have a good day bye! You will be remember Jack!
Hey thanks for sharing your story! Yeah, a couple people have pointed out that I fell victim to an internet rumor about Ty Longley. I will probably add a note about it in the description. Thanks again, and I'm sorry for your loss.
@@darkdarkworld no problem and I got over my friends loss like 15 years ago. I will forever miss hi though but ya I don't blame you. By the way I subscribed to your youtube channel because it's nice. You make interesting stories. Anyways have a nice day bye!
Thanks, you too!
@@willydiaz9586 Where are these other videos from that you’re referring to about Ty with his guitar? Who else was filming this? I’d like to see it to use as reference for a project I’m working on, which is a very detailed 3D model diorama of the inside and outside of The Station Nightclub, which will feature an animated virtual tour of each quadrant of my 3D diorama.
@@TheWaynelds ill try to find it it's in my friend house I don't really talk to him anymore but ill ask him where it is even though it might take a while for him to respond since we hadn't seen each other in 2 years. But ya i'll find it don't worry.
Boiling this down to a simple accident caused by a series of dumb mistakes and ranting about the justice system... if you get burnt in a completely avoidable fire and have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life... then maybe you can have an opinion on that. Every person that was responsible for a code violation knew or should have known this would happen. Especially in 2003 when this has happened so many times in the past. If the people responsible for nightclub fire deaths had been given harsher legal punishments in the past then maybe the people responsible for the Station fire would have taken safety more seriously. People slack when they know there's no consequences.
This story's heartbreaking and absolutely scary. Just thinking about how that could happen to anyone weirds me out. The band that I was in opened up for them at The silo in Reading Pennsylvania. While that place isn't there anymore it was no bigger than the station nightclub.
Nice! I played in Reading on tour once, I think back in 2007, but I can't remember what the venue was called. Wonder if it was the same place? But yeah, man. It's truly horrific to think about how vulnerable we are when we go into any building really. We're just sort of blindly trusting that the propreiters of the establishment have everything taken care of and up to snuff. This was a particularly tragic event. Thanks for commenting, Rob!
@@darkdarkworld that's around when we were around. Like 2007ish-2014ish. What band? Dude I would die if you were in common enemy. Hard punk band. Seen them like 15 times or so.
Yeah that's a good way to put it you do put blind Faith in the wherever you go and just trust that it's going to be okay. Very scary thought
Haha no, the band I was touring with then was called Dear and the Headlights. Indie rock band. Released a couple albums on Equal Vision. It was a fun tour - Reading was a cool spot. Is that where you're from, or were you also touring at the time?
@@darkdarkworld that's awesome man! We were from the reading sub burbs. We didn't your but did tons of shows all over pa. Got a ep out but that's it. Midnight decadence. Hard rock/blues rock band. We had a ton of fun supporting bands that came through back then!
Sounds really fun! Good stuff, my man 🤙
I've seen the full video its horrible
I have a bachelors and a masters degree in Criminal Justice and Criminology. Our justice system is far from perfect. However I did study restorative justice. So the concept is being taught in that program. Well it was in mine, but I’m sure it is being taught in many other school’s programs as well. There are many cases in which restorative justice seems very appropriate, like this one. Another good example is the Hyatt regency skywalk disaster, which took place in my hometown of Kansas City, MO: although I was not born yet I know all about it because my parents already lived there, and I had some other family in the area. It affected everyone in the city. Almost everyone knew someone who was so her killed or injured. One of the engineers felt so horrible. He admitted guilt and made a point in teaching the rest of his career so it would never happen again. And just like the footage of this video is shown to all firefighters in training, the Hyatt disaster is used in every engineering class today. Well at least in structural engineering. However I do believe there are people who have to be locked up. There are different theories that are offers as a reason for incarceration. One of them is incapacitation. Some people(mostly murders and child sexual predators) have to be incarcerated for the public’s safety. Their is way to high of a risk for recidivism. A great example of this is Ted Buddy. Ted Bundy escaped from prison twice. The second time he murdered 3 women and attempted to murder 3 more women. Those were the only crimes he would ever be charged for because they didn’t end up finding many of the other bodies till much later. He also ended up confessing to murders that they never found bodies for. These are the kind of people that have to be locked up forever. You see it’s not a punishment thing. In that case it’s a incapacitating thing because of such high risk for recidivism. Otherwise yes in many cases going about the restorative justice route is a good idea.
Valuable insights, Valerie! Very well said. Thank you for the comment!
@@darkdarkworld Your welcome!
I know what you mean, I always watch anything on Chernobyl closer or a little bit after the anniversary of the disaster, I even purchased the HBO series on iTunes and thinking back to how it was a safety test that caused the accident makes you think how could the accident improve on safety? And that’s what the station did as well. I did get desert moon stuck in my head I don’t know why but it happened, I did watch the music video as in the original one and I saw so many people commented about The tragedy and even people were quoting Jack Russell in that and I also commented about the negligence when I came to the fireworks. I love fireworks like anybody but hearing about what had happened with the use of outdoor fireworks and sun that’s not good. And also when they posted the remastered version they turn off comments because they know what might have it. I mean happened back then around 2005 which was remastered. I still enjoy the episode and I did pick up Gina where is says book and one other book as well.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing that, Marinela! We appreciate the comment.
The band was not called JACK RUSSELS GREAT WHITE at the time it was just GREAT WHITE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
Yes, it was.
This link goes to the point we should be hearing the screams inside the club that strangely only Brian Butler picked up from outside:
m.czcams.com/video/zUndJG44Moc/video.html
Very interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. I'm curious though - what exactly do you think this means? Are you saying that people weren't screaming as they burned alive? That seems unlikely to me. I mean putting aside the issue of whether or not the audio was added in after the fact, surely the people inside who were trapped and burning were crying out in pain or crying out for help. At least, that's what we've seen in most other tragedies like this, such as stadium crushes, natural disasters, runnings of the bulls, etc. Again, thanks for sharing this.
@@darkdarkworld Of course people were screaming out. It can be heard at other points on the Butler video. Just not at the point where he had walked down the front steps toward the atrium windows. The screams heard on his tv camera cannot be heard at all on Matt Picketts ADAT recording, just meters away from Butler but inside the concert area near the pool tables
Right I gotcha. I guess what I'm trying to get at is what you think this means. In other words, why is this important to you? If someone did doctor the tape and insert fake audio, what do you think their motivation was? Why do it?
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One possibility, and an altruistic one at that: To accentuate the drama and fear experienced during the incident. Only one problem: it could backfire in the sense of adding instances of screaming, or of whatever, that in and of themselves didn't occur. If those screams were added, I see that as a slap in the face to both the (actual) victims, and to their families.
@@Zickcermacity So is the entire Pickett tape out?
Did you ever listen to what they have released of the Matthew Pickett dat recording from the inside the club that night? Thats almost worse than the video..
Hmm... I'm not sure I have. Is it readily available? Do you have a link?
Derk derk werld 🤓
Jack Russell should have gotten life in jail.along with that bouncer that literally killed those people.that is for sure buddy.
You should just stay on topic. I was just about to subscribe until you decided to go off on a personal political tangent which, while I mostly agree, was not mentioned in the title, and therefore was by definition disintetesting to me. I'm here because I was interested in the learning about the fire, not your doubts about the justice system.
That's fair enough. But I'm confused. Are you saying that if the title of the episode had included the words "personal political tangent" then it would have been interesting to you? Because that's what you said. You said since it was not mentioned in the title then "by definition" it was disinteresting to you. Not sure what definition you mean either. 🤔 Further, this is a true crime channel(which is in the title, by the way). All of my episodes deal with the justice system. So while you might only be here to learn about the fire, that's not why I'm here.
@@darkdarkworld Fair enough. It was very good, though. You certainly have a talent for this, and your patient narrative style is very engaging, and your research impeccable. As it was my first episode, I hadn't realized that you also had a focus on justice, I thought it was more historical/true crime, my bad. I just kind of thought that the subject matter itself may have deserved a more focused approach. I live a short ride away from Cowessett St. It's a very sacred place to many, many people up here, still to this day.
Well, I will say that I am guilty of not being the most focused of presenters haha. I have a tendency to rant and ramble and sometimes I think it can do a disservice to an episode. So a need for being more focused is a criticism I'll fully accept! Thank you for the kind words, Hugo - I appreciate them. And thank you for commenting.
They should not have been listening to such s***** music
GET YOUR FACTS SSTRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TALK SHIT
Episode 24? Really? Of how many?! If you’re having to edit your videos so as not to be copyright stricken, then easily ask for permission or make your own content that doesn’t involve stealing other peoples in the 1st place.....
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean. It's episode 24 of the Dark Dark World podcast. Not 24 episodes about the Station lol. We cover all sorts of different topics. There are a couple of audio clips in here, but it's essentially all of my own content.