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I think the answer is in the knot in two different ways The hair and the way the knot is tied if they could find a knot at Terry's house and match it they would learn a lot

Does anyone know if the guy in the vest is great white drummer eric powers or Aly Prudhomme ( fathead ) drummer it appears the person is holding a drum stick

The guy is a stone cold killer. The DNA evidence will set the truth free.

Hobbs called from Catfish Island because he had a big garbage bag full of bloody, muddy clothes at his house. And maybe worse!

The killers were convicted and released

Pure evil. And why is she chuckling and almost gleeful in talking about these monsters. Has she read the transcript of the recording of Shirley Ledford’s murder? She is shockingly light hearted - it’s really disgusting, actually.

Excellent podcast. I got chills and held my cross very tightly as some points..

Mark Byers

He had a genius level iq, he could've been anything he wanted, it's a crying shame he went off the deep end.

I think the primary responsibility was Russell. It was his call to use the pyro, and you don't even need hindsight to figure out that firing off showers of sparks in a crowded nightclub is not a very good idea, flammable walls or not. He is a pure douche for never accepting any form of responsibility, pretty much saying all these years "I just came there to sing, then this happens !" [Yes I am aware that he recently passed away] He was more than glad to throw the tour manager under the bus, maybe he actually convinced himself that he wasn't responsible to maintain his own sanity, seems to me the only way you can cleanse your soul with so much blood on your hands is to come clean, like the tour manager did, but he never did that so I say, shit on his soul for that. I think the fire inspector bears some responsibility for being so lax in his inspections, the company that sold the foam would be guilty only if they misrepresented their product, not sure if they did or not. But even fire resistant products are not designed to stand up to hot showers of sparks so not sure if there would have been a big difference if they were fire resistant, likely would have at least took a bit longer to flash. The owners guilty for exceeding capacity and perhaps not installing a sprinkler system, which I don't think would have put the fire out but perhaps would have minimized casualties by giving people more time to get out, if only 1 minute.

It was not a botched investigation!! These teens killed those boys!!!

First off, I think this was the best synopsis of the case that I’ve heard. Your narration style and pacing are excellent, my ears are very pleased! Now in terms of the case, there’s one thing I have to say that sticks out like a sore thumb - unless it is your first day learning to play guitar and you’ve literally never picked one up before, it shouldn’t take ANYONE more than five damn minutes to learn “the main riff of Pretty Woman”. - Anyone who plays guitar is going to agree. Unless this was David Jacoby’s very first beginner guitar lesson with the great Terry Hobbs master instructor, it wouldn’t have taken him 10 minutes, let alone the 30-60 minutes he said it was. To me, this is Jacoby’s fabricated alibi. Initially, he and Terry had come up with their alibi together, agreed on details, etc… Then, a good 10, 12 years goes by, and people start zeroing in on Terry. Naturally, Jacoby sees this, and begins to recreate his own alibi to better assert his own innocence, while not overtly pointing the finger at Hobbs because he knows that in itself would be perceived as suspicious, he makes a point to leave open ends while asking “himself” out loud things like, “oh jeez, I just …I just don’t wanna think he could-I mean, I don’t think he could have done it but God, I’d give my life to know the truth” - he knows the investigators are honing in on Terry. And further, I’d say he’s able to justify changing his alibi to save himself over both him and Terry, because at least to him, if it wasn’t for Terry, none of this would have happened, and his hands would have been clean. He felt forced to participate, feels guilty, but has gotten away with it for so many years, and knows what happens to child kiłłérs in prison. So, he’s still enough of a coward to keep lying about it; this is the reason for his incessant crying in every interview he’s done, it’s to convey remorse to the tune of “having not done more, or could I have done this or that to maybe keep it from happening” When in reality, he’s crying because he’s been holding his involvement in a triple murder of three boys for decades, and it really eats him up inside. But, he truly doesn’t know what else to do, this is all he knows And to be clear, I’m going off the LG Hollingsworth and Buddy Guy narrative. But, that’s really just one angle, it’s a hypothetical, and a weird detail to fixate on, but one I feel is important. Another being the numerous meandering insignificant details Jacoby gives when recalling things on May 5, almost like it’s part of the smoke screen he’s developed. He’s had over 10,000 days to recite a specific narrative in his head, I’d think he’d have something he considered believable by then. But that said, I feel the narrative presented in this video is the most plausible and believable, albeit one I had never considered. Well done brother, well done!!!

Talks like a child

Laura seems to be a very very happy person. This is a really funny story. The Ice-pick in the ear was funny The girl with the smashed elbow was also very funny. Did he hit her 20-30 times on the elbow with the sledgehammer? One of them used a plier on her perineum while she had her hands tied behind her back and was kidnapped in theire van. They actually recorded the girl when she was begging them to kill her. I heard that FBI has the tape and playes it on some courses. , Normally ppl starts to cry and get sick when they hear it. Now, Mee too are sitting here laughing and smiling together with Laura..

Terry's motive explained: www.youtube.com/@jeffmaxweed

Psychopaths are notoriously manipulative .... I highly doubt Bittaker gave her accurate locations.... just used the situation to string her along and get a bit of attention...

WHY didPam Hobbs sign Stevie out if school early (and how early) that day???

Have you seen the photos of their bodies? Like have you been able to see the way they were tied up? For some reason, I always imagine them being tied up from behind, but truly it looks like they were tied up to stop them from being able to swim, not for transportation or for solely disposal purposes. It’s definitely plausible that they were tied the way they were to avoid detection while being in the water. But I get this gross sinking feeling that whoever tied them like that and put them in that water knew they were alive and wanted them to suffer and be unable to save themselves from drowning. I’ve never ever heard of any type of sacrificial ritual being so far removed. If it really was satanic in nature it doesn’t make sense that they didn’t die in a more personal manner. It doesn’t seem to fit into the narrative. If it was a satanic ritual they would’ve had to have killed them but they didn’t. Why go to such extremes to brutalize 3 young boys but fall short of dealing the final blow and instead removing yourself from that? You know? It just doesn’t make sense. The killings felt like a necessary end to a situation but it didn’t feel like the motive to the situation, because the killer wanted to put distance between himself and the victims during the time of actual death. Ritualistic sacrifice has to be personal because of the inherent nature of the task, but this was only so personal before whoever did it needed to distance himself from it. The entire thing screams “I needed them dead but couldn’t kill them myself” but the reason as to why is a mystery

You have made up slot of that. The sleeping bags and telling someone they were all running away has never been as was never part of any testimony that I'd ever ever seen after following this for over a decade.

I’ve seen several documentaries on this horrific case. I can’t remember which one raised suspicion about Hobbs, but ever since then I’ve thought it could have been him. After listening to your analysis, I’m convinced Hobbs did it. Too many things don’t add up. If Stevie was afraid of “daddy Terry” I’m sure his friends were too. That would explain why he could have made all the boys undress and do what he said. Previously, I thought it would have had to been more than one person. Now I think Terry could have done this alone.

Man, I panic when I can't find my cat.

The hogtied in cages is so unbelievably cruel. Only ones that come close are lake/ngs and btk. I can’t imagine the terror for those poor boys. When I was a kid my dad ordered a pizza and I didn’t know. I heard a knock on the door, then hid behind clothes in my basement where I could see him. The pizza guy was scary, imagine if it had been a criminal

The only reason why Jesse "confessed" he because he thought he would get a reward and go home. He was said to have the mind of a 3rd or 4th grader . Everything about his confession was coerced. He got everything wrong from the time the murders took place and how the boys where tied up, that right there should have been red flags to the detectives but of course they HAD to pin this on someone, it had been a month people where outraged that the cops still hadnt found who done this. This was a witch hunt from the start.

Look at the age Crowley says is perfect for the male child in a sacrifice

She was going to get caught being intoxicated by family members. Her secret would be too humiliating being exposed. Toothache or not, those babies needed her to call for help. Loads of vodka plus a thc gummy…she needed an ambulance! Tylenol would not kill pain if she had a bad toothache. Selfish, stubborn woman driver.

Waste of bandwidth. The 3 punks did it. Damien's mentor was Aleister Crowley. Read about him and you'll see his motivation...

Lived there then was in the same crowd definitely a sad situation! Brian deserves justice 🙏

who was the bloody muddy man that went to mr bogangles??? why didmark byers take his teeth off? wasnt one of the boys's bitten? also why did terry hobbs not call is wife right away and tell her he couldnt fnd stevie? whats the cover up>?? just like the OJ SIMPSON case someone messed with the evidence and hiding alot of things.. this murder will be a mystery!! only God knows what happened and the people who murdered these sweet little boys will have to face God one day!!!

Boiling this down to a simple accident caused by a series of dumb mistakes and ranting about the justice system... if you get burnt in a completely avoidable fire and have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life... then maybe you can have an opinion on that. Every person that was responsible for a code violation knew or should have known this would happen. Especially in 2003 when this has happened so many times in the past. If the people responsible for nightclub fire deaths had been given harsher legal punishments in the past then maybe the people responsible for the Station fire would have taken safety more seriously. People slack when they know there's no consequences.

Terry Hobbs is the guy.

The person drenched in blood at the bathroom and ran off right after this happened probably did it. Come on ..

I was born a month after Brian’s murder and was raised in the home directly next door to the lawyer who defended Camp. I never knew why their house was always vandalized in the 2000s while I was growing up. The older I got, I received context, this was YEARS after he had stopped living there. I was horrified. Ironically, in my high school years I would become friends with a girl who I’d later find out was a member of the Deneke family. We are still close friends.

Vick is more inbred than some of his dogs

WM3 are guilty.

ALSO- he also had a very poignant habit of saying, “I don’t get mad; I get even.” So, by him emasculating Christopher Byers, he and Mark must have had squabbles in the past. OR, he was attracted to the young boy.

Let’s not forget that Hobbs’ dealer saw Terry AND Jacoby making out in the truck on May 5, 1993, when he, Jacoby and two teens showed up to by some pot. And that he was bisexual and preferred sex with young boys.

There have been way too many adults in positions of power over kids that have been allowed to get away with murder. I don't care how many drugs you did or how many things you've stolen you're a kid and you deserve help and treatment and not punishment and hate.

Something still doesn’t sit well to me. Hobbs was a sexual deviant, he was bisexual, and liked young boys. Witnesses saw Jacoby and Hobbs kissing in a truck, and Hobbs was known to frequent gay bars. This lifestyle along with drug use and a mountain of circumstantial evidence convince me that Hobbs and others need to be investigated.

Buddy Lucas confessed to his friend that he, LG Hollingsworth, Terry Hobbs and David Jacoby killed the boys

Imagine snitching on your cousin who brought you with him when he made it

great imagination

GET YOUR FACTS SSTRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TALK SHIT

The band was not called JACK RUSSELS GREAT WHITE at the time it was just GREAT WHITE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

Please do pt. 2

Great podcast about this case. This situation should have been prevented if the parents had raised their children properly and taught them how to handle conflicts with others. The disputes between groups should have been handled by law enforcement. Fighting and violence never solve anything. Dustin should have gotten life in prison, but it would have haunted him for the rest of his life. My prayers go out to Brian's family. May Brian rest in peace.

What are you guys talking about? Emma was 8 not 12 No one on designer drugs. .19 is not 20% of her body shed definitely be dead. It's her BAC. Blood Alcohol content. What would 40lbs of booze be like? Aaaaahhhh and dead. Watch the documentary. Have you only seen this picture? It's not all informative. Watch the whole thing.

I believe her drug of choice was Vicodin. Did you see the prescriptions in her record? She had multiple opiates and escalating. Ambien, had she taken it late at 3am she’s still under it’s influence 900am. That in its self is a risk and variable behaviors. She’d be more in control when on opiates than alcohol or weed. I don’t think alcohol is that appealing to her for that reason. Not an alcoholic at all. Looks like she had had a semi-monthly RX, plenty to be dependent on opioids. Drs still doled them out in 2009. Strange it wasn’t brought up but overlooked. The toxicologist, private investigator and HBO should’ve pulled her prescriptions. To understand her intoxication we need to know everything on board, what’s typical baseline for her and what in the absence of? Id like to see her pharmacy records, closest pharmacies to home and work. I think the answers to that morning are somewhere in her pills. Possibly opiate withdrawals that morning, which are horrible. Nausea, pain, gastro. Even a uncomfortable bowel movement en route because she’s in withdrawal, may wanted her own bathroom, or she had a refill ready at the pharmacy. She couldve been fine all weekend and having 3rd and 4th day withdrawals, hurting. It would explain so many things out of character. She wasn’t a complainer but a control freak that always had pain. 1 Symptom of Opiate dependent person. She hated pain and won’t get her teeth fixed, she will medicate herself Though. The 7-11 seemed a futile errand, she didn’t expect to find her fix, not that she asked for opiates, she expected to be disappointed, rejected, practically walking out the moment she walked in. She’s just going through the motions to fix her problem but gave herself permission to medicate with was convenient. She would “over do it” being 2nd & 3rd drugs of choice because they won’t fix her. She’s trying to feel better as soon as possible. She likely took 3 gulps, 2 after the market and 3rd last stop. Just to get it down but they were likely equivalent to 3 shots each. If she took 3 measured shots, not that I condone drinking and driving or suggest anyone do so, she’s a big girl she probably would’ve been fine, Im not excusing her from responsibility or suggesting anyone drive after 3 shots, she could’ve faired better measured. Theoretically. Don’t drink and drive nor with Opiate withdrawals. She may have smoked for withdrawals nausea and vomiting, it’s the best thing for it. She’s Driving like a disinhibited drug fiend, Not a conscientious PTA Mom. If she had Vicodin that morning, she wouldn’t have substituted her pain meds. All these behaviors explained. She’s not suicidal unless became so on the ride home, she just ordered recital tickets a few hours away. For the 3. She’s not suicidal she’s type A. Also She may have been hypomanic and not known. Like a Shanann Watts super mom, to some extent. Unipolar Mania. Unipolar depression is more typical She could have a mood disorder and not know. Most times unipolar manic sufferers never get treated just naturally more energy and generally feel well, episodes can be erratic. They don’t suffer as many consequences of their mood like a depressed person. Often they don’t realize. Unipolar manic would explain shopping binges. You overspend or impulse buy when you’re manic. Tv and car, could absolutely be manic sprees. I also noticed the Baby girl Erin with a beer bottle. And it may have been a one time thing playing with a bottle. But booze was had. At whatever rate. This reminds of the Watts our most flawed protagonists. So highly improbable and absolutely meant to happen. They both were good parents and they blew it and got their family killed. Chris Watts & Diane Schuler IMO Charity.Chavez @ Facebook - Watts Case solved.

I believe her drug of choice was Vicodin. Did you see the prescriptions in her record? She had multiple opiates and escalating. Ambien, had she taken it late at 3am she’s still under it’s influence 900am. That in its self is a risk and variable behaviors. Shed be more in control when on opiates and not as impaired. I don’t think alcohol is that appealing to her for that reason. At least a semi-monthly RX, plenty to be dependent on opioids. Drs still handed them out in 2009. Strange it wasn’t brought up but overlooked. She wouldn’t like losing control. Opiates dont affect equilibrium. Id like to see her pharmacy records, closest pharmacies to home and work. I think the answers to that morning are somewhere in her pills. Possibly opiate withdrawals that morning, which are horrible. Nausea, pain, gastro. Even a uncomfortable bowel movement en route because she’s in withdrawal, may wanted her own bathroom, or she had a refill ready at the pharmacy. She couldve been fine all weekend and having 3rd and 4th day withdrawals, hurting. It would explain so many things out of character. She wasn’t a complainer but a control freak that always had pain. 1 Symptom of Opiate dependent person. She hated pain and won’t get her teeth fixed, she will medicate herself Though. The 7-11 seemed a futile errand, she didn’t expect to find her fix, not that she asked for opiates, she expected to be disappointed, rejected, practically walking out the moment she walked in. She’s just going through the motions to fix her problem but gave herself permission to medicate with was convenient. She would “over do it” being 2nd & 3rd drugs of choice because they won’t fix her. She’s trying to feel better as soon as possible. She likely took 3 gulps, 2 after the market and 3rd last stop. Just to get it down but they were likely equivalent to 3 shots each. She may have smoked for withdrawals nausea and vomiting, it’s the best thing for it. If she took 3 measured shots, not that I condone drinking and driving or suggest anyone do so, she’s a big girl she probably would’ve been fine, Im not excusing her from responsibility or suggesting anyone drive after 3 shots, she could’ve faired better measured. Theoretically. Don’t drink and drive nor with Opiate withdrawals. She’s Driving like a disinhibited drug fiend, Not a conscientious PTA Mom. If she had Vicodin that morning, she wouldn’t have substituted her pain meds. All these behaviors explained. She’s not suicidal unless became so on the ride home, she just ordered recital tickets a few hours away. For the 3. She’s not suicidal she’s type A. Also She may have been hypomanic and not known. Like a Shanann Watts super mom, to some extent. Unipolar Mania. Unipolar depression is more typical She could have a mood disorder and not know. Most times unipolar manic sufferers never get treated just naturally more energy and generally feel well, episodes can be erratic. They don’t suffer as many consequences of their mood like a depressed person. Often they don’t realize. Unipolar manic would explain shopping binges. You overspend or impulse buy when you’re manic. Tv and car, could absolutely be manic sprees. I also noticed the Baby girl Erin with a beer bottle. And it may have been a one time thing playing with a bottle. But booze was had. At whatever rate. IMO Charity.Chavez @ Facebook - My Watts Case. This reminds of the Watts our most flawed protagonists. So highly improbable and absolutely meant to happen. They both were good parents and they blew it and got their family killed. Chris Watts & Diane Schuler Imo

There is a box of evidence that the police claim was destroyed but they found it they're going to be testing it for DNA hopefully we'll find out who did the crime😢😢😢

After watching "Paradise Lost", I was convinced he had murdered these kids. I had spent much of my life depending on the ability to spot deception at that point, and he exhibited all the classic signs of it.