Fanatec Podium DD1 Review - It's Serious Now
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- Playtime's Over! I bought a Fanatec DD1 to finally find out what it's like driving with a legitimately scary amount of power...
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DD1 from Fanatec: bit.ly/3z3Id1y
Rig featured is a GT Omega PRIME Lite (and briefly the full PRIME) from GT Omega - 5% off with code DANNYLEE - bit.ly/3opeGKU
Turn R320 and Turn BP2 Button Plate Available Here: bit.ly/3RueJSL
My FFB Settings:
SEN 900 (Adjust for your tastes/uses)
FFB 90%
FFS Linear
NDP 15%
NFR 2%
NIN 7%
INT 1
FEI 100
FOR 100
SPR 100
DPR 100
Speed Sensitive FFB Disabled
0:00 Intro
1:02 Links
1:27 Summary
2:58 Unit and Mounting
4:55 Torque Key
5:47 Driving Feel
8:25 Wheel Sizes
10:15 The Advantage
12:53 Quick Release
14:38 Roundup
Text version of this video: www.dannylee.co.uk/post/fanat...
#fanatec #dd1 #f1 #gt3 #simracing #simracingsetup - Hry
My DD1 QR made the same rattling noise that yours did. Then someone on Reddit recommended placing a M8 washer on the head of the QR retaining screw. This made the QR rock solid and improved FFB!
I invented the washer thing on the screw !!
@@steveybiggunzgaming8118sure you did 😂😂
I have the DD2 and have never had to fiddle around the back to power it on. The estop/start/stop button is very convenient. Something you may want to consider in the future.
Love my DD1 every day i am using it! 🥳 wanted to go CSL Elite 2 years ago but they were out of stock so I went full in…😂 💪 thanks for the video! 👍
Another great video mate. Chuffed for and thank you. I'm also looking to eventually move up from the DD Pro 8nm and this helps alot.
Cheers for that.
Thanks Simon! I definitely have a bit more respect for the virtual cars now that they can bite back!
Thanks Danny for this review and congrats upgrade base. I got CSL and I decide upgrade to different system because fanatec QR system is big minus.
The doggy got me 😂 Great review brother, thanks for the informative breakdown and sharing!
Welcome aboard , I've had mine over a year now and love it
I saw a couple of your recent PSVR vids and it looks awesome! They've made so much progress
@@dannyleeracing ACC on my 4090/Reverb G2 looks better but PSVR 2 is a massive jump over the previous PSVR
that is almost identical to my setup. pedals and DD1. so good! I have the Trak racer TR8pro rig. all in all. I can't imagine ever needing more than this. great review.
Hi, I also have the Trak Racer TR8 Pro tubular rig and run the Moza R9 / GS wheel with it. I invert the integrated monitor stand and mount a 34 ultra wide curved screen on it. Im exploring upgrading to either a DD1 or Asetek Invicta wheel and my worry is that these wheel bases will be too big for the mount and I'll have to push the screen back to accommodate, i.e the monitor wont site on top of the wheel base. Can you shed any light, any advice would be appreciated, thanks.
It has been really interesting to watch your experiences with DD wheelbases. I’d always hoped you’d have a chance to bring your insight to some top tier power and this doesn’t disappoint!
Thanks man, cheers for taking the time to watch and comment - it helps!
Helps me too- I think! It’s difficult to know what hardware is helpful, or too costly, etc….so it’s preferable to get a lot of opinions. I understand we all have perspective and criteria but your videos convey a lot and you have experience I don’t have.
@@dylanmosley3030 right. It feels like he's one of us. Upgrading slowly over time. And his opinions always feel genuine and thoughtful.
Great video Danny. Always enjoy listening to your point of view even though a dd1 is not something on my radar.
I went from a g29 to a simucube pro. Over a year later and I'm still amazed how flawlessly it performs.
Not to be negative, but I cannot believe fanatec has never improved the quick release. You could argue they didn't need to as there used to be no competition in their sector however 2023 is a different world. With moza, simmagic and others on the block it does seem foolish to still not be doing anything about it.
In my case, I'm so glad I skipped the fanatec purchase and went straight to simucube. The qr really was something that put me off.
Thanks man - I completely agree about the quick release, I think they've taken far, far, faaaaar too long to release an improved version and it's cost them a lot of customers just because the systems on other brands is better. In this highly competitive climate, any 'reasons not to buy' carry a lot more weight than 'reasons to buy' and I think the QR is the biggest 'reason not to buy'
Great review of your experience. Went w SC2P myself cause had no existing F gear at all. For those in the ecosystem I’d say it’s the path to go eh? Nice Whistler T 🇨🇦😄
I just got tired of doing the RMA dance with Fanatec so I went to a Simagic Alpha Ultimate and love it. They have some great quality wheels at great prices too. $700 for a formula wheel with a large display and backlit buttons is hard to beat.
Looks good!
I am upgrading to the smaller CSL DD which is more my budget.
CSL DD is legitimately awesome, you should be more than pleased!
@@dannyleeracing I still have to wait another month for it to arrive! I am so hyped!
Listening to you talk about the detail in having a bigger wheel reminded me of a documentary where it showed Artyon Senna wheel compared to other drivers. He always preferred a small wheel, not trying to start any drama or give anyone shit just wanted to remind everyone of the S Legend.
The moral of my story is to give a different size a chance! I find it so much better on a 300mm+ wheel, but it's also the hand positioning that makes a difference.
I just bought a dd1 having come from csl elite at 6nm. I have pretty strong arms. How can you run it at 90% I've only got mine at 40% and it feels more than enough. Could you do a video on your settings for your prefeed sim racing tittles?
Hi. Nice review. The ZRing mod improves a lot the DD1 quick release in terms of flex.
when i had a DD1 i tried 3 different z-rings because the dude that made them kept updating them... i never did become satisfied with it though, the best solution for me was to always use the included bolt for the QR but what i ended up doing was crossing the threads so the bolt would not tighten anymore, i just kept overtightening it because i always felt some small movement, drove me mad.
@@atticushexcel9567 yeh i swapped my DD1 for simucube aswell, had the simucube 2 years and now have the asetek invicta on order, seems like a natural evolution to the simucube so taking a gamble on it, not actually used the GSI wheels, always used cube controls myself but i think the build quality on the cube wheels is questionable.
Nice man, what cable management do you have going on in the back of your DD1? I have the same and am always worried about the cables getting yanked out.
The cables are velcro-tied to the rig in a way that gives the immediate cable at the back of the DD1 some slack. Always best to have any tension in the middle of the cable so that the ends can relax
Nice review! what monitor your using?
It's a Samsung Odyssey G5 1000R - 34" Ultrawide, it's pretty good! Was on triple 24's beforehand
I would love it if Moza sent over an R21 for you to try so we can see how it stacks up against this. I won a GS wheel from them and don't particularly care to give it up when I outgrow the R9!
From the reviews I’ve seen it seems that the R21 from Moza is at least equivalent to the dd1 if not better. It’s often compared to the sc2 pro and simagic alpha u in terms of power and responsiveness. Honestly even without already having the Moza wheels I would recommend the R21 over a dd1.
@@alecmillea4539I have an alpha u and was seriously considering getting the regular alpha or even the mini but I’m glad I didn’t. I figured the extra torque would just be a waste but it’s great to have that extra power in reserve for added responsiveness and those peaks when you hit things like curbs. The Simagic and Moza quick releases are light years better than the Fanatec QR and make for a much better experience overall
Congrats on the upgrade, man. Now that you've had it for a week, can you imagine yourself ever going back to csl elite or csl dd?
Thanks man - I have become really accustomed to the extra 'fight' from the cars so I wouldn't want to lose it if I didn't have to, but I'd have no qualms driving on a mid-range DD again
@@dannyleeracingthat’s good to hear, I’m on the fence about ditching my thrustmaster setup (tx servo base belt drive) and switching over to fanatec…at first I was hell bent on the csl dd but I’m now thinking about the DD1…this switchover to the DD1 will run me around $2,000 USD and the csl did will run me around $1,200😅…thinking I should just do the DD1 and never look back
Definitely agree on the wheel size. I have the DD1, McClaren wheel and Clubsport round wheel. I MUCH prefer the feel of the round wheel, even when racing GT3.
Driving with the dd pro is a flex
Nice shirt :) Greetings from Canada :)
I searched the internet high and low for this f1 bundle and after months of pulling teeth, today I secured the podium F1 bundle and I can’t wait to get it going on gt7. Coming from a dd pro I just want a bit more torque. And that rim is fire
lol then you realized fanatec is junk 😂
👍 I have DD also,, with few wheels 🤞 looking forward to the QR2,, not the Bill,, 😲
Also is that a U-turn wheel on the cs wheel? If so do you find it worth the money or should I stick with my round rim?
That's a Turn R320 and it's a decent wheel, has great ergonomics that just feel 'right' - stick with what you have if you like it, is all I can say!
20Nm would probably leave me staring at my freshly created elbow stumps at the first encounter with a wall
Ran my dd1 ps4 edition for 20 min on ACC and my shoulders killed afterwards.
Try a washer on the retainer screw
@dannyleeracing hey mate, love the reviews. I would love to get your opinion. I have purchased a csl dd 8nm and still waiting for it. I have tried the csl dd 8mn since and thought it was a little weak which was weird since my Thrustmaster tsxw was set at roughly 5nm on acc playing on xbox. Do tou think its worth upgrading to the dd1? Thanks mate
Thanks, dude! I think the DD1 is a pretty good buy at the minute after the price drop, and with the QR2 now included with it. I'd say the DD1 is good as a buy-once-cry-once purchase, just depends on your budget!
@@dannyleeracing thanks for the reply mate, really appreciate it. Fanatec have finally processed my order for shipping so I can't change now unfortunately but I'm sure if it's not enough feedback I'll upgrade 😎
Danny my guy. Get a keyboard tray 😂😂😂 anyway great review as always
Nah, I'd rather lean the keyboard against the wall and constantly knock it over, or put it on the floor and constantly lean over, or leave it on my desk and constantly have to get up and fetch it
87 years later the QR2 is here!
QR3 is taking a while
@@dannyleeracing 😆
Danny what happened to your GT Omega Prime?
I am debating between the prime and prime lite it would be interesting to hear your experience and why you made the switch?
The Prime's in storage for now, I've got a Prime Lite because GT Omega sent one for review so I could check it out, otherwise I'd still be on the full Prime. The Prime Lite is awesome for the money, the pedal tray has the same issues that the original pre-upgrade Prime had (some flex if you're using pedals without a baseplate to spread the load, and limited side-to-side positioning) but otherwise it's decent! I'm working on a review now that the DD1's done, but in a nutshell the Prime Lite is really good for the money and if it was the last rig you ever had you'd be totally happy, but the Prime will always be the better, stronger, more capable option if you can stretch to it, especially if you're going to want integrated monitors. Hopefully can elaborate more in the video coming soon.
Thanks Danny
The price is not the issue
My current rig the apex stand with the seat add-on on wheels
I need it to be lite for portability
I have a DD pro with all Fanatec shifter handbrake and v3 pedals.
I think the lite may be better for ease of movement
R u going to review the lite any time soon?
@@stevestratas5345 Based on that - I'm going to be testing the GT Omega Titan soon. From a portability standpoint, as it's easy to split it into two and tear down if needed - it could be ideal for what you need. It won't be AS firm as the Prime Lite, but it does look genuinely sturdy from what I experienced during assembly.
If you just mean portability as in moving it around the room frequently, then castors would do the trick - I had my full PRIME on castors so I could wheel it in/out of the corner to fit/disassemble things!
@@dannyleeracing Can’t wait for your review on the Lite. Please compare it against the prime for rigidity and value.
I have the CSL DD 8nm, DD1 would be good for keeping my Mclaren wheel, but i think VRS wheel base for about £750 would be my choice.
w take
theres more competition now and (imo) fanatec just isnt as good value as it was before. Especially with others having far better quick releases & compatible wheels.
@@hypnotiq they're still good wheel bases, but yh, the sim racing market has boomed recently and now there's so much choice.
@@JDempsterRacing Yeah definitely still good wheels, but for similar prices there's just multiple other (& imo better) options out there now
Yea Fanatecs RMA service sucks but they do make everything right. Just takes a while. I bought one of the last DD1 bundles and it was bad but after a few back and forth emails they sent me a replacement even before I sent the faulty base back.
I must be a wussy because I never have my wheel set as strong as lost CZcamsrs seem to. I used to have a T300 that I didn’t even max out. I upgraded to a Moza R9 a few weeks back, and don’t have that set very strong either. I have the IRacing settings set to 9NM for the strength, but have it set to around only 8-10 on the “how much to use” setting (sorry, forget the name atm, and am not at home)
Having driven Porsches with power steering and Hoosiers on track, I replicated that feel with about 50% of an 8nm wheelbase.
Maybe legit race cars with super wide racing slicks and no power assist need more than 8nm but that’s irrelevant for me since I’ll never be able to drive one.
Nah man, you don't have to feel that way - it's not a competition and it isn't even very representative, just a matter of preference and proportion, doesn't matter what the FFB amount is if it suits you nicely and lets you feel what's happening. If anyone's actually running 100% it's usually just for a laugh, or not for very long. The only point I'm making is that 90% is all I possibly need using a large-ish steering wheel, and there's still more to spare!
ive got a question. i am using the DD Pro 8nm for like 1.5 year now. i am playing iRacing and driving arround the 4k irating now, but i am wondering if you get more FFB detail out of the DD1. i am thinking to buy a DD1.
Yes, in my opinion the difference is pretty clear - not mind blowing because the CSL DD is very good for detail, but definitely makes a difference in terms of immersion and 'fight factor' which can really put you deep in the sim racing headspace! Makes cars feel more real
@@dannyleeracing oke thanks for your comment, i think the DD Pro feels not always that smooth, it feels a bit choppy sometimes, feels like im missing the detail of the front end a bit. do you think the DD1 feels smoother than the DD Pro?
I see you've swapped your triples for a curved ultrawide. Temporary or permanent?
Almost definitely permanent! Needed to reduce the size of the rig, and single screens simplifies streaming etc so much for me!
Danny does your link work in North America.😊👍
Sure does, buddy!
Does anyone know if its possible to make thrustmaster pedals work with a fanatec base and rim?
share your fanalab settings please mate. (new dd1 owner here)
Just popped them in the description! Let me know if anything's missing, but that's the Fanalab FFB settings top to bottom.
Info support DD1 ??
Try not to take longer than 5 seconds or the DD1 will lose interest - cheeky boy - love it.
i have it too its the best thing i have ever done!
Hello can you tell me where I can find the buttom mount for the DD1 wheel because I can't find it on the official site from Fanatec. Thanks
Hey Gery, not sure what exactly you need, can you tell me what part of the video features the thing you're asking about?
@@dannyleeracing Thanks for your quick response the item is shown at 4:08 untill 4:11 and also 4:14 untill 4:20. The bottom mount piece.
@@gerydaelemans That's included with the cockpit featured at that moment, the GT Omega Prime Lite. What are you trying to mount it to?
@@dannyleeracing I have a PlaySeat chair, is it posible to show a picture to you in the chat?
@@gerydaelemans Are you looking for a mount that gives you more tilt than the playseat can give you? If so, this might be what you need: trakracer.eu/products/universal-direct-mount-for-fanatec-podium-dd1-dd2-csl-dd-and-dd-pro?_pos=1&_sid=896dff0fa&_ss=r?ref=dannylee
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With 90% ffb on the dd1, what force gain do you have set on ACC?
100% gain in ACC. Admittedly, ACC is the sim I spin up when I want a sensory experience, in iRacing I don't have it quite so tough!
@@dannyleeracing wow that is strong! I'm working with 65% dd1 and 75% gain and feel it's the sweet spot for me. Dd1 is a great base. Great vid thanks!
@@ddoroslovac I have weird stats, man. I can't do a single pull-up.
@@dannyleeracing keep in mind when it comes to ACC the signal from the game typically clips around 60 gain, so above that you will likely see clipping of the signal, you will see the bar going red that’s in the bottom right by speedo when going over bigger bumps (clipping) so what I do is try to keep ACC at or below about 60 gain and then increase the motors gain to suit my tastes.
You might be tempted to use linearity mode on the DD1 also but that compresses the FFB I believe and reduces the strength of bigger bumps so I find it’s best to leave linearity off to gain back the strength and dynamic range, hope that helps…. As I said previously it’s been a while since had DD1 but remember quite well it’s quirks.
@jinx20001 I can confirm what you saying. Currently I run 65 gain and 62 on my dd1and see a short red clip on eau rouge at spa. It is the only spot and only track that I ran into clipping. I leave it at 65 because other than eau rouge I get more ffb detail for the rest of the track. Also I have it on those number so when I go through mentioned corner I get 13 nm peak force.
Having had a DD1 then a simucube 2 and now a asetek invicta aswell as others previously, i can say for sure the QR isn't the only downside to the DD1, the motor is in need of a hardware upgrade in my opinion, compared to most other modern DD's on the market today the DD1 is quite notchy, not obtrusively so but you can absolutely turn that wheel slowly and feel the steps which for me at that price is not acceptable, what car on planet earth feels like that? its a complete immersion breaker for me and there is no way to tune it out, its the outrunner motor they used in the DD1 and its inherent flaw, ive not had a csl DD but apparently that notchy feeling improved somewhat, likely down to the fact they used a standard servo, when i went to the simucube i was completely blown away by just that one small difference alone, the motor is completely smooth on rotation just as a car should be.
I also do not agree about smaller wheels not getting the most out of the wheelbase, larger heavier wheels have a natural damping effect on the feedback, smaller wheels are far more lively, much more detail comes through ( more of that notchy feeling aswell sadly ) but ofcourse your personal ability to control the smaller wheel is more difficult and im sure thats what you were getting at.
I can see why anybody would be excited by getting a DD1 if its their first DD though, i still think it stands up there as one of the DD's that gives you a real DD experience, so many that are releasing these days are watered down low power motors which lose a lot of the impact a DD brings to the table, all to appeal to casual racers who want to get in on the DD game but they are really not getting the whole story with a moza R5 for example.
Awesome insights, thank you for commenting, appreciate the time!
I can't feel any notchiness or cogging in the DD1, though, as that was one thing that did put me off some time back and made me settle with the CSL DD. When was the last time you had your hands on one? Apparently the 2022 firmware upgrade was absolutely revolutionary!
I agree about DD's now being too broad an umbrella term. It's awesome that the lower end has been brought aboard the DD train, but now it's more of a low-mid-high tiering than a non-DD and DD tiering.
I love how people always comment on the "notchyness' of the DD1. Who cares what it feels like when it's off? You're putting tons of power through a metal rod, essentially, who cares if it's not buttery smooth when off?
@@dannyleeracing my last hands on with a DD1 was about a year ago, actually owning one was about 2 years ago because thats when i sold it to get the simucube 2 and now im waiting on my asetek invicta order to come in so not had hands on with that yet.
its hard to really understand what i mean when i say ''notchy'' im sure... its one of those things where if you lay your hands on a simucube you will be like '' ahh i see'', you know what i mean? my best example would be to just say this, turn the motor off and turn the wheel very slowly and you will notice its completely free without any friction and steps, obviously not realistic because there is no friction, but it will feel completely smooth, then turn it on and turn the wheel slowly, ofcourse you will now have friction but as you turn very slowly you can feel what feels like steps in the magnets, very small steps... with the simucube you get all that smoothness like the fanatec when its off but all the friction you would expect like the fanatec when its on... if that makes any kind of sense lol its an eye opener.
my problem with the low end DD's is they often make sacrifices that are not in the spirit of a DD, for example the moza R5/R9 uses 15bit encoders, lowest on the market for a DD i believe, its exactly half of what the fanatec is using which is 16 bit, literally half the resolution of a fanatec base. Simucube and asetek use 22 bit encoders... now we are not machines so im under no illusion that we can detect reliably those kind of high resolutions but its what a DD is all about right? high power, high precision and great build quality, yeh... for me the lower end stuff waters it down a bit much.
thanks for the video and reply dude.
@@mattymatte6289 well obviously you have not used a DD1 then have you because the DD1 is completely utterly smooth when its off... the notchiness is when its on haha. So go ahead and name me a car that when you turn the steering wheel you can count small steps in the wheel? ill wait... it does not happen, its a completely smooth hydraulic system and the DD1 does not replicate that, it may not be important to some people, its important to me. i often hear people say '' you forget about it when you actually drive ''... well at over £1000 i dont want to forget about it bro, i want it to feel like a car when driving, when stationary, when going fast or going slow, its got one job to do. If your DD1 is notchy when its off then id suggest it has a problem and you need to speak to fanatec... ive had one, i know exactly how it feels.
@@jinx20001 you're clearly talking out of your ass if you think the DD1 is notchy when it's on. I'm actually laughing at this one.
5:59 💀
Best part of the video min 5:58 😂
It's the clip that keeps on giving
I am waiting for a new version of CSL DD 13nm-15nm from Fanatec. China is not sleeping and MOZA and Simagic have released their 12-15nm versions. CSL DD 8nm good base!!! But as soon as you use the Maclaren steering wheel, this base becomes completely useless. DD1 - DD2 database data is needed by a minority. Most of all, bloggers need them for advertising. An ordinary user needs no more than 13-15 nm. Well, the motors of Simagic and Simcub and MOZA are already superior to Fanatec DD today. In the same Fanatec csl dd pro 8nm, in the off state, the magnetic field is very strongly felt on the wheels of Formula and Esports. And this is because of the structure of the magnets. Since the base uses no more than 75 watts and 2 amps. 180 watt power supply is not really needed. For the CSL DD, 100 watts is enough, which is why Fanatec had to build their own motor. And add a huge amount of mognites. Because of what, in the off state, we feel strong steps when turning the steering wheel.
CS DD comes to the rescue
5:58 WTF dude!!!😂😂😂😂😂
I rather watch/listen to someone who pays for equipment, a gift always imply a bias.
Thanks man, cheers for watching and commenting! The best way to slice it is to remember that if people start bending the truth then they won't last for very long before they're called out, and you only need check the comments - sim racing is full of knowledgeable people so nobody can hide from the facts. All of us reviewers need to make sure we only say things we stand by, or we will totally undermine ourselves and ruin our reputation, which is the most valuable thing we can have.
You sure that's not a DD2?
It's a special edition DD1 that came with carbon fibre side and top plates - explained in the video just after the summary (which has reminded me that I need to do the chapters...)
@@dannyleeracing ahhhh I see. Thanks!
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My first thought was to say something negative then my grown up side stepped in and gave my jealous chin an upper cut. It then told me to say “If your happy, so am I. Well done mate”.