From BUM To GOAT: How Tom Brady CARRIED Bill Belichick
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2023
- The debate has waged on for years on who was more accountable for the success of the 2000s Patriots. With many claiming BOTH Tom Brady AND Bill Belichick are the GOATs of their respective positions. BUT, take a closer look at the context and the facts behind their careers and accomplishments.
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Belicheck benching Malcom Butler minutes before the Super Bowl, simply because of an argument he had with another coach days prior, is by far the most childish and egotistical thing I have ever witnessed from a head coach in professional football
I agree with this.
The patriots with the same defense the next year without butler held the rams to only 3 points so no
@@Alex-sf9bo Doesn’t matter. As a coach, you’re supposed to put your best effort into winning a championship for your organization. Doesn’t matter what Butler did. You don’t bench your best Defensive Back when you’re playing for a title against the No.3 Scoring offense in the league. Belicheck could’ve disciplined him in the off-season, but stroked his ego to much and many people ultimately believe he cost Brady what could’ve been 8 Super Bowls.
@@Alex-sf9bo That Rams offense lost its #1 and #2 play makers.
@@Heisajr opposing qb had a 108 passer rating when targeting butler in playoffs that year so no
I said it many times…Belichick’s best day in his life was when Mo Lewis hit Drew Bledsoe.
its his wifes "red panty"-night
Brady did more with the Bucks in 3 years... Than BellBoy did in 10 years without TB12 🤣
Facts 💯
Why are talking about basketball??
Brady went to a superteam missing a qb you fair weather casual
@@bong2dome That super team's defense was ranked 16th in yards and 29th in points the year before Brady got there. Then 6th in yards and 8th in points in Brady's first year. Strange how they suddenly got better, and Brady doesn't even play defense. He obviously made the offense better, but it's like he just makes everyone better. And if all it takes is to make a super team around Brady, why didn't Belichick do that during his 20 years. He gave him Randy Moss for two years, and then the rest were a bunch of bums.
@@clarkkent1521gronk as well but outside of that, average players at best. Wes Welker is the most overrated receiver ever.
Tom Brady dragging this "Overrated Mumbler" to GOAT status line had me in stitches!! 😂😂😂😂
Why
That’s the perfect name for him 😂
hahahahahha
Belicheck should have retired and left people questioning
Would have been better for his legacy honestly…
He wants to have the most NFL wins ,that's the only reason he's still going
A true competitor will do all they can to prove their value. Bill wouldn't be who he was if he had thoughts like that.
Belidiot didn't know what made the offense work, so he thought he could win SB with another QB.
Lol
The fact that Tom was EVER called a system quarterback by outsiders looking in and yet EVERYBODY that ever played with him or coached him ALL said that he IS the system lets you know how much hate and denigration he gets.
what is the problem with being a system quarterback?
He's a System QB in a different sense.Where Bill was grooming Brady to what he became through spygate.
Brady was the whole system.
But Brady was a system qb. He will be remembered throughout history as the creator of “the winning system”. 💪🏻🐐🏈
@@Samurai31631 i agree.
As a hardcore Steelers fan. I hated Tom Brady and the Pat's. But even I know Tom carried Bill for all those years. Tom Is just that Guy. That makes everyone on the team better. Even when they were suppose to be not that goid. Bill never could do that. Thank you Tom for going to the Bucs. Then finally retiring.
As soon as Brady won a title in Tampa it instantly proved that Bill indeed needed Brady and not the other way around. Thank you Skap Attack for showing the stats.
My pleasure. And THANK YOU for watching 🙏❤️
Brady literally had a super team formed around him what are you taking about 😂 😂
@@teedagoat512A super team in his mid forties lol. A super team that could not stay healthy either.
not really, The NFL was drastically different a tougher in the early 2000s. In fact, all brady numbers have drastically improved when they made rule changes in that year there was like 3 qb's that passed for 5,000 yards in the same season. It was the season when peyton manning was gone in indy with a neck injury.
@sethchandler4170 He still had a solid team around him, bro. Quit the meat riding and just admit it.
I used to think Belichick deserved more credit, but Brady put that to rest when he left the Patriots
@@codyhess4161 Patriots still have a great defense how’s that working out for them? Brady was the best QB in the NFL in 03-04 title runs
Belichick is a Machiavellian, tactical genius when it come to football & the sports psychology. But Brady is the ultimate warrior on the field that troop would side with over the general of the army
What Qb has Belicheck worked with that compares to Brady? Brady also went to a team with a great head coach and arguably one of the best defenses he had as well. Brady was tactical in regards to the team he went to, and we saw what he did with a mediocre coach, Jack shit
Bill was going to keep Jimmy G. over Tom crybaby game managing Brady. The Bill way was get rid of players two years early then two years later right? Even Tom crybaby game managing Brady said this when it happened to prior teammates like L. M. who went to Buffalo and he was upset. Crybaby Brady said that’s the Patriots way that’s the Bill way of running his football team. Until it was Tom crybaby game managing Brady’s turn, what did he do, he went crying to Mr. Craft and guess what he got to stay on the team for the final year so then he could choose where he wanted to play which he chose Tampa Bay. He didn’t allow Bill to expose him and send him to a sorry team. But we have another situation where he went crying to another owner which this happened in Tampa Bay. Remember coach B.A didn’t want A.B on the team cuZ he was around the situation that happened in Pittsburgh. But what did Tom crybaby game managing Brady do? He went crying to the owner of Tampa Bay and guess what the results were A.B ended up on the team. And we know how that turned out. Crybaby Brady couldn’t throw the ball 🏈 down field accurate enough to A.B and he wanted A.B to play in the slot as a slot receiver but A.B didn’t want to cuZ of all the hits he had taken over the course of his career. But remember crybaby Brady vouched and wanted A.B on his team. And ended up getting what he wanted.
@@codyhess4161 Brady won a super bowl in Tampa and lead the league in every passing stat in 2021 he didn’t need Belichick
Bill's winning record is horrific without Tom! It's Brady!
I've been saying it a few years now, Belichick was holding Brady back the whole time. Anybody can look like a competent coach if they have the greatest QB of all time. Bill was fired from 2 other teams for a reason
I would also like to point out Brady with the Buccaneers went 3-0 against the AFC East so when people say Brady can’t compete with the new AFC East with Josh Allen it’s just false. Also Brady is 3-0 against Josh Allen Alone.
And undefeated against Mahomefries
Great point
He went 4-0 against them
it's a team game, no QBs plays against eachother
@@polpol1005Never said it wasn’t a team game! Kinda strange this team game argument is never used to discredit other All Time Great Quarterbacks like Mahomes, Montana, Favre, P Manning, Unitas, Graham, Rodgers. This team Argument is strangely only reserved for Brady?
The 2000s-2010s were a golden age for the New England Patriots.
It's amazing that Tom Brady was an NFL player for 22 years.
The game got softer which prolonged the play of Tom crybaby game managing Brady. John Elway played 16 years when football was football 🏈 brutal sport you don’t think he could play 25 years in this soft era that crybaby Brady played in.
@@OrtizAllDayyeah Patrick mahomes is trash. I agree 👍
@@OrtizAllDaymatter of fact little Ortiz, illegal, all these black QBs are just way worse and softer than QBs from the past huh?
The game DID get softer and easier as Brady aged. BUT he had to plate a solid decade in a much harder and more physical league. He paced PRIME Mahomes when he was in his MID FORTIES imagine a younger Brady getting to play his WHOLE career in this setting for 22 years (really 20). His numbers would be totally unreachable. They likely already are. His winning benchmarks certainly are.
@@easportz1369 I think you're low IQ. Brady is the goat audible. He never had loaded offense or Andy Reid like pat. Pat is a token media tool. Imagine the numbers skap just mentioned but give Brady Hill and Kelce and Andy Reid. I can tell you didn't watch the video he made about Pat lol. You all listen to too much Romo
I gotta admit it. You changed my mind on how much credit I was giving Brady.
I said football is too much of a team sport to proclaim someone as the GOAT in it like other sports but That TB Superbowl win and the whole 3 seasons numbers their pretty much affirmed him as such.
You can definitely call players the goat in football but obviously it's not like other sports since you have GOATS at different positions and no greatest football player of all time, just qb, rb, kicker etc
My GOAT is Lawrence Taylor. No one in the history of football changed the NFL landscape the way he did.
Up until 4 years ago, Andy Reid’s legacy was he can win a lot of regular but doesn’t have what it takes to win championships to people now saying he’s one of the top 4 nfl head coaches of all time due to Patrick Mahomes being a once in a generational talent.
Who is arguing that Andy reid isn’t an all time great coach? He’s made it far with every team he’s had no one can win super bowls alone it’s a team effort he just needed that extra push
@@tmoe_ow2523 those of us who are from Philadelphia would beg to differ with the notion that Andy Reid is a great head coach. Until Mahomes fell into his lap, he was a cross between Buddy Ryan and Marty Schottenheimer.
@@tmoe_ow2523far? Lol what? He had mcnabb went far never won and with out a qb he was average mahomes wasn't a extra push he was the whole push 🤣🤣
Reid is a better coach than BB by far.
@@coryhellerer3425 Agree. He did get to a SB with Phili, but lost to Brady. With or without an all time great QB, Reid has done well. He’s 0-2 VS Brady in SBs (he also lost to Brady with Mahomo)
What pissed me off was that Belichick started adding decent offensive players to the team as soon as Brady left. If he made that same effort during Brady's 20 season, they prob could have won way more. Instead, he always picked up 3-4th string wrs/te and Brady still made them shine. Fact that the only real weapons he had Gronk/Edelman/Moss/Welker/Troy Brownish in 20 years is pretty insane.
Which decent player has he added since Brady?
Jakobi Meyers has been by far the best receiver since then
@@DemonKingBadger well I guess I meant by that they actually went out and signed offensive weapons from FA like Jonnu, Hunter, Nelson Alg, Dev Parker, Elliot etc. They're not the best obv but they were pretty decent names in terms of signings compared to what Bill was signing back when Brady was there.
@@AcePlay1000 I got ya, unfortunately, a lot of them were obviously past it going in
Brady won without Gronk and three little white guys in Edelman, Amandola and Baisley. Enough said.
Kraft and Bill gave weapons to Mac Jones. Cam Newton is greater than Mac Jones. Mac Jones never beat Cam Newton. They lied on Cam!
Mac Jones has brought Bob Kraft to his knees, lately! He misled Cam! He took the 180 Millions new weapons he promised Cam & switch them to Mac Jones! 😳😞
The best line ever "dragging this overrated mumbler" LMFAO 😂😂
😂😂😂
This is super simple. Brady always won, with or without Belichick; wherever Brady went, winning followed. Belichick, on the other hand, only won with Brady. There are countless stats to support this fact
That is indeed the bottom line. It is a perfect case of isolating variables. The variable being Brady.
Michigan
How did Brady do that final season with the Pats???? Casual fans always talk about the current situations
@@peaceandlove1113 It is easy to lead the league in passing if you don't worry about interceptions. AB quit the team and Gronk was far past his prime. In addition there was no run game and I believe there were injuries to the O-line. Still they came close to going to the NFC title game.
@@bong2domemade the playoffs with a beat up and injured oline, no TE that came close to half of Gronk, receivers leading the league in drops, and shotty run game to the point many thought Brady was washed.
Thank You for SPEWING.... the truth!!!!! BRADY is THE REAL GOAT, and Belichick is the tag-along goat. "You ain't nothing without BRADY"
Brady and Jordan were magical players, once in a lifetime players in their sports.
Lies. In Brady's peak he wasn't the best QB
@@robbereal1982 , Who was then buddy.
@@johnthree1611 at his peak Manning was and you could make the argument Brees was. Everyone that watched football back then know his defense was carrying him his 1st couple of rings
@@robbereal1982 , Bullcrap. You may want to watch this video.
Brady playoff stats: 13,400 yds, 62.5 completion percentage, 88 TD and 40 Int
Manning stats: 7,339 yds, 63.2 completion percentage, 40 TD and 25 Int
7 champtionships for Brady, and 2 for Manning.
@@robbereal1982 Other than *throwing to WR BEHIND defenders* and running around, Brady was better than any QB in NFL history since 2001.
For the longest time I thought Brady was just a game manager until he got Randy Moss but nonetheless I still believed that it was really all due to Bill but I'm glad Brady left because now I can see the situation more clearly.
The funny part is that Brady won 7 rings without Moss and couldn't win ANY with him. Just one more reason I can never put Randy Moss over Jerry Rice
being a game manager is the best qb you can be.
yes was a game manager that played the entire 60 mins thus was confident in the final minutes. Think thats a compliment
THE GOAT RETURNS!!!
Missed u buddy ik ppl love ur basketball vids but Tom Brady content is my fav if u could do a 28-3 retrospective that’s be fire
Yes, yes, I know I’m supposed to be a basketball channel lol. But I’m viewing myself as a sports channel. And my two favorite sports are football and basketball. So it’s time to hit some football. Also my favorite athlete ever (other than Kobe) is Tom Brady. So you my friend, are in luck 😂.
@@skap_attack Brady is my favorite non-49ers player of all time. It hurts to say but unlike the fake "king" to Jordan, Mahomes is legitimately a worthy successor & one day he might build a valid GOAT case. But he damn sure ain't there yet with 2 rings and I'll always prefer Brady's terminator like ability to carve up defenses
Brady is hands down the GOAT, the undisputed GOAT. 7 rings, 10 appearances, insane. GOAT, no question. No close #2 imo.
nah... it's still a matter of opinion, and also i would never combine defense and offense into one goat debate, it's just too incomparable...
Joe Montana hand down the goat with all the protection Brady got from the rule changes. If Montana was healthy and played just as long as Brady.
@Ps7apple Joe? The guy who got traded? And his replacement retired as the best statistical qb in history? That joe... get s clue
@@notimportant3686 By that logic why separate QB stats from the WR, RB, TE, and offensive line stats?
No weapons = lower production for ALL QBs.
Ultimately we watch sports for one reason: did you win or did you lose?
Period
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 i'm not fully against your logic, maybe we SHOULD separate it by position... but if we don't... we still need to group offensive and defensive players separately because it's literally complete different games they're playing... like pitchers and hitters in baseball... except it's even MORE true in football because they literally play HALF Of the time each, while in baseball a pitchers is once every 5 days and a hitter plays every day
Why doesn't this channel have 10 million subs? Dude, keep up the excellent work.
My man! I appreciate you! Many thanks for tuning in and watching something other than my basketball content. I’m gonna be branching out a bit here 🙏❤️
I love all your basketball stuff as well. Especially because you look past all the LeFlop hype and see that joker for what he really is; you're right on! You do quality content; keep it comin! @@skap_attack
FACTS
This video is pure ass though Brady played like shit the final season with Pats because the team as a whole was bad. Brady proceeds to go to a Super team missing a qb that has a defense that holds Mahomes to 9 points in the Superbowl yea must be all Brady
@@skap_attack
I'm glad you called out the "he had a good defense" false narratives
Even the Superbowl against the Rams (Brady's first Superbowl) they were 20th
Only 2003-2004 seasons they had top 5 defenses every other year was mediocre to bad
That's why Bart Scott was heated, that year they were 28th overall, he had every right to be mad
What I want to know is why Bellichick got so much credit for winning with Brady when he didn’t win without him. But no one talks about Andy Reid being one of the greatest (at least not like Bellichick) when he was extremely successful before Mahomes with every team he has been with.
Seriously. I’ve always believed that Reid is one of the greatest coaches. He gets the best out his players which is the sign of a great coach.
@@Samurai31631
A reason is like Dungy he isn't a socalled hard nosed coach who berated his players....
So he didn't give the media any clips to jerk off to because he was so stoic
Pete Carroll is another one
Belichick believed his own bullshit. Charlie Weiss thought he, Charlie, was responsible for Brady's success. How many patriot assistant coaches have gone elsewhere and flopped? Brady makes everyone look good, he gives everyone else credit.
Too many Patriots assistants have flopped. Youd think at least one of them would have worked.
Weis, Crennel, Mangini, McDaniels, OBrien, Patricia, Flores, and Judge yikes.
Awesome to see you branch to other avenues of sports greatness, great video as always!
I appreciate it! Still gonna be hitting some hoops. BUT I figured football was upon us, so might as well sprinkle a little content in on that.
@@skap_attack Now that you made an overrated coach video, you still owe us a video about Greg Popovic, the GOAT of Tanking.
And calling him the tanking goat is not even a bad thing, Sam Hinkie tanked for years and won shit, Pop showed the world how to properly tank.
I dont get why this channel hasnt gotten super popular yet. Great content bro, youre on that path for sure
Skap I had no idea. I am a Kobe fan and I love how you break down Kobes's input on basketball and how he faced and played in a tougher era. I was always skeptical of Brady because he just "Kept" winning. Thank you for breaking it down, damn Brady did carry the Patriots all those years. I always thought it was him and Coach Bill but Bill doesn't have a winning record without Brady. I always thought that season Brady got injured and he won 11,12 games with Matt Cassell validated Bill as a goat coach, but I didn't realize he had that many seasons under 500. Great work SKAP!
The Matt Cassel team was stacked, they had gone 16-0 the previous season under Brady. With Cassel they went 11-5 and missed the playoffs.
@@jasontibbetts9981 And then the Chiefs were plagued with mediocrity trading for Mr. Cassell for years. Terrible. lol
While I think Brady is most definitely MORE responsible for the success Belichick was a defensive genius, however he SUCKED as a offensive GM. Its a wonder Brady was able to do what he did on offense with Belichick tying one hand behind Brady's back. Brady covered up all the warts on offense and got the defense to play at a elite level for him.
glad you pulled up total defense. everytime people try and argue against brady they say he had top 10 scoring defenses lol but total defense was always a different story.
Yeah I would use DVOA but to get those numbers theres a paywall.
Because scoring is situational. Offense can put defenses in bad situations. Yards allowed is a truer depiction of overall defensive dominance. It’s why the yards metric is the one used as “total defense” in year end rankings.
@@skap_attackExactly. One of the things Brady was so great as was controlling the time of possession. He would dominate that aspect and have very long drives, as well as minimize mistakes. Setting up his defenses perfectly.
"Players win games, bad coaching loses them!" - Bill Belichick
Your video narrations are sugical!😂I've been saying this for years! The argument of Brady/Belichick is Brady hands down. Great illustration of the stats and closing the book on this!
I honestly don’t know how anyone can take this debate seriously. Tho I feel that way about most of the video I produce 😂.
but always remember... "That moment right there made me the greatest player of all-time" - Lebron James
It is the only time a GOAT took his talent to Florida and delivered...
LeBron with the Heat
Ive been saying it for years and im being further vindicated this year. Tom was the biggest catalyst for the Patriots dynasty.
Skap Attack, you do such an amazing job with your videos that it amazes me how your channel doesn't get millions of views yet.
Wish Brady would've gone to the 49ers in 2020. Together with Gronk and Fournette they probably would've threepeated with how stacked that team already was.
Purdy looks pretty good though. There is hope.
It’s impossible to ignore Bellichick’s career record without Brady. It’s basically the NFL’s version of a “smoking gun”: a piece of evidence that is SO powerful and convincing, that it solves one of history’s mysteries which has puzzled philosophers for centuries. But if you happen to be a TB-12 hater (like Rob Parker), and you STiLL are not convinced that Brady carried Bellichick (and not vice-versa), the only other thing you need to look at is Brady’s career record without Bellichick. Tom Brady continued being Tom Brady during his three years as a Buccaneer. Bill Bellichick, on the other hand, turned into Romeo Crennell.
Thank You if this was a Court Case the Judge would see 81-94 without Brady and he would laugh the Brady haters out of the Court Room. It’s not even debatable the facts are facts BB isn’t even competitive in the Regular season without Brady.
Bill Belichick as a head coach in the NFL when Tom Brady isn't his starting QB
1991 Out of playoffs
1992 Out of playoffs
1993 Out of playoffs
1995 Out of playoffs
2000 Out of playoffs
2008 Out of playoffs
2020 Out of playoffs
2022 Out of playoffs
2023 An absolute disgrace
I'm just getting started Chump
hahahaha when the big boy's come along guys like you get destroyed 😂😂
that patriots' defense was overrated as heck under that 18 years when Brady was still there. Like I said, the people overrating that patriots' defense are the belichick fanboys who loves writing myths about belichick's genius. As the ultimate team sport, the defense of course still deserves proper credit. It's one thing to give credit where credit is due, but it's entirely another to be overrating someone like belichick.
That's cap. That defense was STIFF Brady's first 3 rings. Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour, Tedy Bruschi, Ted Washington etc..etc..
What a great video to show Brady’s superiority. He’s truly the 🐐
Would not call Tom the 🐐, but tip of the cap to him on a very fortunate career.
@@polpol1005Lol
LETS GOOOOOOO! More Brady/NFL content plsss
THANK YOU 🙏 and I can probably oblige this request 😂.
He did not hit the ground running. His first season with the pats he was 5 and 11. And he was in danger of another losing season until Brady stepped in.
THANK YOU!!! NOTHING BEFORE TB12... NOTHING AFTERWARDS!!!
And NE looks like maybe the worst team in the league right now.
@@whodat3700 honest question, as just a lover of the game... Who TF does NE have on offense to help support their rookie contract QB? It's Fing perplexing!!! Not to mention the 90s offense...
@@tankeater Not much. But Brady won with no Gronk and three liitle white guys at wr, Edelman, Amendola and Baisley. What other QB could win with that?
@@whodat3700 THATS MY POINT 😂! Brady is the GOAT and Bill was carried! He's NEVER been able to build a balanced roster and without the glue in the locker room (TB12) the "Patrriot way" (TB12 way) is showing us the sham its always been. Bill is nothing special, and his coaching tree reflects that statement.
@@tankeater Amandola even said in an interview that Brady was the Patriot way. So funny.
Love the variety of sports videos, keep it up
THANK YOU! 🙏 ❤ I’m hoping people will ride with me to other sports. I love the NBA and will continue to hit that. But I’ve actually been watching football longer than basketball. And am also an obsessive fantasy footballer. So my mind is on the looming football season currently.
Tom Brady Was Savage!
This was the best breakdown of Brady vs Bill I ever seen. This was a mic drop. 🎤
This is inaccurate. Midway through the 95 season is when Modell decided to move the team. The team was actually in first when this happened but they couldn’t overcome the news of that move. No coach could’ve overcome what Modell did
Of course it’s inaccurate. It’s meant to show Belichick as being a bum without Tom Brady. Why would the creator mention things that don’t support his point?
Yes Skap Attack didn’t know you were a Brady fan him and Kobe are my 2 favorite players ever love the videos!
No they're my favs!
Kobe and Brady ARE also MY two favorite athletes lol. And I love football as much as basketball. So I’m definitely planning on hitting some football content here with the football season officially upon us! Thanks for sticking with me into another content realm! 🙏❤️
Same man! Kobe, Brady, Tiger and Bonds my all time favs. 4 main sports I watched. I didn’t watch soccer or any other sport growing up.
@@DavidMey83 last 2 don't fit lol. Bonds especially
I'm older. Big Magic fan.
Does anyone know what the background music is?
You gotta give Bill some credit, when Drew Bledsoe came back for his job, Belichick made the call to stick with Tom against New England fans wishes!
I’ve been waiting for a video like this
The Brady effect was indeed real
Belichick getting EXPOSED and I love it 🏈
😉
Yall are some weird dudes 😂
@@legacy8171
Pats fan eh?
The Title should be updated now, Belichick, From Bum to GOAT back to Bum.
FACTS 💯
Always great content Skap.
I do agree that Brady was more important than Belichick in their partnership, but I think that you are underselling the Patriots defense under Belichick in this discussion. It is true that they were average based on yards allowed (17.5 average ranking as you stated), there is also points given up. The Patriots average ranking in that same timespan for points allowed was 7.15 and points allowed imo is more important than yards allowed.
Tell me how Belidiot defense did better than Titans defense against the greatest show on turf (given that he invested so much on defense).
"The Patriots average ranking in that same timespan for points allowed was 7.15 and point"
TYA was 16.56, worse than Packers defense with Rodgers.
Explain the abnormal disparity.
@@williamli6200 Different strategies in defending the GSOT; Titans strategy was to blitz Kurt Warner, Patriots strategy was to drop more players in coverage and invite the Rams to run the football (which they didn't). Patriots also forced 3 turnovers in that game.
@@dukewilson14 Brady had to save the team from own 3 yard line, deliver winning drive.
*Who else would be able to do it with Troy Brown?*
With much better talents on offense, Brady could have won the SB with Jeff Fisher and his Titans.
@@dukewilson14And the Patriots defense also scored.
How many times did Tom Brady restructure his contract to help the team? So, Belichick decided he could go along without TB. Tom Brady said " ok, hold my Gatorade". Goes to Tampa Bay and wins his seventh Super Bowl ring. Now, Belichick looks totally ordinary snd the Patriots are a disaster. Karma!
When Brady wasnt on the field, Belichecks record is more losses than wins.
This debate will pick up in the future with Mahomes and Andy Reid... I could smell it
Well Reid was MUCH more successful without Mahomes than Belichick. MUCH more. Reid was in like 4 or 5 conference championships before Mahomes. AND he had the chiefs winning 10-12 games for like 3 years in a row with Alex smith as the quarterback. AND Mahomes has had LOADED weaponry around him offensively. So quite frankly I don’t think it’s even a conversation. Brady had much less to work with than Mahomes. And Mahomes still isn’t catching Tommy.
Phil Jackson is the GOAT coach. Won his first ring just his second year, 3peated with Bulls and Lakers back to back!!!!! 6 rings in a row!!!!
Most dominant coach ever.
@@Michaelnb90sDoesn't mean anything.
Cuz kobe shot them out the series lol
@@Michaelnb90s I mean you're not wrong
@@Michaelnb90s Sorry for not winning 7 in a row...
The Brady or Belichik debate is imo worse than the LBJ vs MJ debate for GOAT. At least LeBron was winning regular season games and taking his teams past round 1 before forming superteams, Bellichik was literally garbage in terms of actual winning success even in the regular season before Brady
This is the best sports channel on CZcams
The thing I like about Brady the most is how he performs under pressure in big games. He doesn't have normal human doubts, negative thoughts, or take stupid sacks like nervous, timid athletes. [Picture Mac Jones in the pocket hearing footsteps and looking to turtle up any second, scared.] Brady, on the other hand, turns into a superman, Mr. Flow, who refuses to lose and cheerleads everyone in the huddle with infectious desire and confidence, telling them to bring their 'A game', etc. He stands tall in the pocket avoiding rushers and throwing darts to the open receiver, Hogan, Edelman, Gronk, etc. Then he runs up to the line of scrimmage, kills the play, cause the defense is expecting it, calls an audible, and gets the touchdown.
I remember watching football at the time, The Patriots had 2 good QB’s, and always had that look of hopelessness cuz he knew it wasn’t even a possibility for him to play. Somehow the impossible happened since never before did an NFL team have two injured QB’s, and the 3rd stringer becomes the Starter! Every team would call their season over. And what the Patriots thought… but Tom Brady ended up surprising ending on how good he was, he looked like a natural out there and he knew all the plays, plus he was able to read the defense and adjust the lines. We knew he was good, but we didn’t know we were watching something Special?! Witch also made a huge problem for the team going from having no Quarterbacks to having three Starters, at the start of the next season… with atom Brady being a break out Star! (And a Legend was born and a Goat was made)
This video will continue to age VERY well as long as Bill coaches…
You're absolutely objective. Straight facts.. i been watching for like 3 month's now. I gotta subscribe cuz youre on point bro. Keep it up!
Yep people see Brady’s early stats, and assume he was a game manager. Reality is, he had no weapons to work with…
Game was different then. Not as pass crazy. But yeah his WR rooms were not anything to write home about.
I was saying this years ago. While he was still in New England. Brady made Belichick.
Great stuff great content man...skap attack very informative too
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If it wasn’t for Giselle messing with his head, the 2022 season would’ve been much better statistically. Anyway, Rex Ryan would’ve probably won 7 SB with Brady because he wouldn’t have benched Butler…
Belichick was never more than an average coach. Brady took an average coach and elevated him into the GOAT conversation. When Belichick gets his Gold Jacket, it will be undeserved and in his heart he knows this. He presided over a 20 year dynasty because of two decisions. 1st to draft Brady and 2nd to elevate Brady to back-up. He couldn't win with pro-bowl QB Bledsoe. All the same players, all the same coaches. Brady steps on the field and instantly everything changes. At best Belichick can be credited with not screwing up a good thing. Maybe that is enough to earn a Gold Jacket.
Why did Matt Castle perform so well in Brady’s absence?
What is completely misunderstood is that Brady’s influence on the team transcended his play on the field. Brady’s off-field influence lifted the entire team. What Matt Castle inherited was that Brady influenced team.
It’s kind of crazy to think about how little success Bellichick has had without Brady and to think most people consider him one of the greatest coaches ever. And it seems pretty obvious at this point that that is strictly bc of Brady.
By the same token no one seems to call Mahomes a system QB as he has always had the offensive genius of Andy Reid and plenty of weapons
@@GameTime-yj6qv right. And Andy Reid has been wildly successful with every team and qb he has ever had. Even Alex Smith. This guy’s a qb guru but it’s barely even mentioned.
@@downsouth00
I got flack for saying Andy Reid is a better coach than Bill Beliecheck
But his coaching resume proves he is
@@thepubknight6144 you’re right
Bill Belichick's future HOF speech:
"I'd like to thank Tom Brady and Bill Parcells. I would not be standing here before you if it wasn't for these great men. Thanks again and goodnight... oh- and a special shoutout to Mo Lewis"
LOL straight facts. I mean that’s what he’ll mean even if his ego won’t allow him to actually say it.
and can't forget Lawrence Taylor
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@@kenverrill4205 and Otis Anderson
Parcells was nothing without Belichick.
Belichick’s teams without Brady feel like elaborate, “genius” plans by the Make-A-Wish foundation.
I forgot about the Bucs' digital alarm clock uninforms.
Brady is not a Game Manager. He never was at anytime within his career.
Tom Brady in his mid 40s was putting up near identical stats to a Prime Mahomes. If an old mid 40s Brady is putting up Identical stats to Mahomes and Blowing Mahomes out what do you think a Prime Brady would do to Mahomes?
2001- Brady took over for a 5-13 team (2000 went 5-11 and in 2001 without Brady went 0-2)
Brady was not in an ideal situation and was not drafted to a powerhouse well established franchise. The Patriots Franchise before Brady was a Dogshit franchise with 0 Super bowl wins and was 0-2 in Super Bowls. People love to ask well if Brady was drafted to the lions would he be the GOAT? Yes he would I know this because he took over for a franchise that was dogshit just like the lions. That scary Bill Belichick Defense in 2000-2001 without Brady went 5-13 then Brady became a starter and they transform into an 11-3 team? Not a Coincidence.
2002- Brady leads the league in Touchdowns with trash offensive weapons.
Number 1. WR Troy Brown 1x Pro Bowler
Number 2. WR David Patten 0x Pro Bowler
Brady with this had more Touchdowns then these Players
.Peyton Manning who had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison also Edgerrin James 3 HOFs
.Kurt Warner who had Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt oh and Marshall Faulk 3 HOFs
.Brett Favre who had Donald Driver and Ahman Green
.Rich Gannon who had Tim Brown and Jerry Rice 2 HOFs
.Daunte Culpepper who had Randy Moss HOF
May I go on?
2003- Brady was top 3 in MVP Voting and was hands down the most clutch player in the league. Brady in 2003 counting both REG and POST had 5 4th Quarter Comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives.
Brady was top 10 in Touchdowns, Passing Yards, 1st Downs, Lng, AY/A, Y/G, Rate, 4QC, GWD.
2004- Brady was top 10 in Touchdowns, Passing Yards, TD%, 1st Downs, Success %, Y/A, AY/A, Y/C, Rate, ANY/A.
2005- Led the League in passing yards. was top 10 in CMP%, Passing Yards, Touchdowns, TD%, 1st Downs, Success %, Y/A, AY/A, Y/C,Y/G, Rate, NY/A, ANY/A, 4QC, GWD.
Brady was consistently top 10 in all major passing categories with trash offensive weapons. So Brady being a game manager in the early 2000s is a myth.
Brady also was not carried in the playoffs in the early 2000s this is another myth
from 2001-2006 Brady went 10-0 in the playoffs Undefeated.
Brady won 3 Super bowls from 2001 to 2005 his numbers?
17 Touchdowns - 5 Interceptions (includes 2 Rushing TD's)
These Numbers are not carried numbers.
Let me name you some of Brady's competition in his 10 first playoff games where Brady went 10-0
Peyton Manning 2x
Rich Gannon
Kurt Warner
Steve Mcnair
Big Ben
Donovan McNabb
Pretty Tough Competition.
Brady in 1 year without BB had 4 Playoff wins. BB in 10 years without Brady has 1 playoff win.
Bill has had 4 1st round Quarter Backs Vinne Testaverie, Bernie Kosar, Drew Bledsoe, Mac Jones, Cam Newton and with all of them he failed. Drew Bledsoe was a passing yards machine in fact he was the first QB to be signed a 100m contract. Bledsoe's career record is 98-95 better than Bill Belichicks career record without Brady and Bledsoe led the Patriots to a SB in 96. Kinda sad Bill Belichick could only go 5-13 with Bledsoe. Pete Caroll and Bill Parcels both made the playoffs with Bledsoe why couldn't Bill Belichick?
Bill Belichick in 2000 had Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Bruschi, Willie McGinest on his defense and he went 5-11 then in 2001 with the same roster he went 0-2 without Brady? So how can anyone say these defenses carried Brady when without Brady they couldn't even make the playoffs?
I’ll never understand why he didn’t win more regular season MVPs especially 2021 the league gave it to that choker Fraudgers
And who shutdown all those QB's you just listed?? That's right THE DEFENSE.
@@xaviervega468You haters realize it’s a team sport? There’s more than just defense there’s an Offense and Defense. Without Brady Bills defense isn’t winning shit Bill and his scary defenses is 80-95 without Brady. Also Those Defenses don’t exist without Brady! Brady played in a salary cap era and It’s well known that Brady didn’t hog the salary cap allowing Bill To keep the defense together without Brady the Defense falls apart all those good players are gone! Brady kept the Pats together the numbers clearly prove that it’s no longer even debatable. I like how you ignored the end of my first comment where I clearly state that the scary stacked defense with Willie McGinest, Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law went 5-13 without Brady so the Patriots with that scary defense weren’t even competitive without Brady that is a fact.
Awesome work!! Not taking away anything away from Bill but come on 10 Super Bowl appearances as quarterback for Brady. Come on, seriously.. Anyway like always great analysis. Thank you.
And 11 appearances for Belichick as a coach.
The greatest Dynasty was also my greatest nightmare as a Dolphins fan. 2nd is probably the spanking the Jaguars did to Dan Marino in 1999.
Brady took voluntary pay 60 million in pay cuts to bring high achievers to the team. That's how much he wanted the wins.
In my 50 years of paying attention to sports I never recalled hearing of other stars doing this.
Michael Jordan too to keep crucial role players
Jerry Krause may he rip ruined it all after the sixth finals win
@@thepubknight6144 lifelong Bulls fan, Krause may have blame, but the biggest catalyst to the Bulls downfall is and always has been Reinsdorf.
As a Giants fan, I really respect Tom Brady. Anybody that can get sacked multiple times by the Giants defense in those 2 Superbowl losses and STILL not choose to retire afterwards as well as not suffer from PTSD is impressive as heck.
When the league😢 demonstrates to defensive players that so much as touching Brady the wrong way will draw a flag of course he doesn't have to sustain big hits.
Lies from haters. Even defensive players over the years talk about how tough he is and can take a beating. I'll believe them over you and other disgruntled fans from other teams any day.
@@whodat3700 On you tube "NFL refs fake calls to protect Tom Brady and benefit the Patriots" "UNDISPUTED - Shannon reacts Bucs def Falcons 21-15 after Controversial roughing the passer call " "2022 NFL roughing the passer on Tom Brady ain’t what it used to be." "Tom Bradys Roughing the Passer Penalty - Chiefs vs Patriots " This is tip of the iceberg and only took me a few minutes. Show us your brady gets big hits from us guys on defense footage. I'll wait.
He got smashed the play before launching a 75 yard pass almost completed to Moss
David Tyree overshadowed Corey Webster
Brady was the last old school QB
Brady's lucky he never had to face Lawrence Taylor.
We all know that Brady did not carry Bill. Brady’s offense led his team to the two lowest-scoring winning offenses in Super Bowl history (13pts, both against the Rams). Bill’s signing of Malcom Butler was the deciding factor that won Brady his 4th ring. Brady threw 3 INTs in an AFC Championship with the Pats and his defense was good enough to win the game despite that. It was Bill’s defense that held the Falcons scoreless in the last 18 minutes of Super Bowl 51 for the greatest comeback in sports history. Brady definitely would have won multiple rings on another team and Bill likely would have won at least one with another, but the two elevated each other to become the greatest coach-quarterback duo in the history of professional football.
He got the plays that mattered didnt he, also in the first Rams super bowl, defense let the game get tied and Tom needed to drive down the field for the game winner because the defense couldnt hold a lead. The defense may have held Atlanta scoreless, but it was incumbent on Tom to get those points back. What good is a defensive stop if you cant score.
Your whole post is an appeal to moderation.
good points
@@jagartharn6361In that Super Bowl, Brady threw for a measly 145 yards and the offense only scored 13 points. The defense scored a touchdown and held “The Greatest Show on Turf” to 17 points. They won that game in spite of Brady’s poor performance.
@@ilivewithinmymeans5412 That defense nearly blew it to the greatest show on turf too before Tom orchestrated that game winning drive.
They dont win those 2 Super Bowls with any other QB.
@@jagartharn6361No, the offense nearly blew it by only scoring 13 points. The defense bailed out Brady by holding the Rams to 17 points. In fact, the Patriots defense had to score a touchdown in order for them to win.
Love your take on Belicheck and I'm from NE
Yeah, people keep thinking it wasn't all Brady because of his defense in the Super Bowl. They forget you have to win to get to the Super Bowl. You can't play great defense in the Super Bowl unless you have a good regular season record. He had a great regular season record because of Tom Brady. His regular season defense wasn't carrying any of the teams throughout the regular season. His defense was not like the 2000 Ravens. If the defense was the main reason why they were winning games, then yes.
Brady truly is the GOAT of all GOATs
I dunno much about NFL
But 7 rings as a player, with two different teams
What's rge debate
it was always Brady haters who wanted to downplay his wins that overrated bellichick
I agree. This is a non debate in my opinion. Same as Lebron as the goat 😂. And I appreciate you following me to another sport even tho you don’t watch it much. I kind of view this as a sports channel, not just basketball. With that said, Basketball and football are my two favorite sports and the ones I know the most about. So likely won’t stray too much off those two. Since we’re actually in football season now, I was planning to roll out some football content. BUT, fear not, I’m still going to be mixing basketball stuff in. And I have a long queue of hoops topics I’m planning to hit. Thanks for tuning in! 🙏❤️
Patrick Mahomboy must be glad Brady is retired. In 5 years he has 2 SBs but in 2 of the 3 years he didn't, it was because he ran into Brady.
Julian Edelman said “Tom Brady is the Patriot Way”
I agree but what about that year with matt cassel?
They missed the playoff with a 16-0 team and Sitting at home watching the playoff. Why is that?
@@tttyn2237 They won 11 games with Matt Cassel. The same number of games Brady won his first year as a starter.
@@denisemarsch6760 yeah also matt cassel couldnt make the playoff with an undefeated team. Whats the difference from them and the detriot lions? Nothing!!! They both missed the playoff. Lol idiot
@@denisemarsch6760 Tom Brady does not have an undefeated his first year. He had a 5-11 team sir. How the hell you missed the playoff with an undefeated team.
Belichick has more knowledge about football than probably any other coach. However, it's the players that go out there and execute that knowledge. Brady needs good receivers, plain and simple. With good receivers, Brady is in the Superbowl. Whether it's Gronk or Welker or Moss or Edelman, Brady can throw touchdowns all day long. But Belichick didn't seem to want to invest in good receivers that much. So Belichick ended up screwing Brady out of more Superbowls because he didn't invest in the talent that was needed to get Brady to the Superbowl. Head to head, I bet Brady could build a better team than Belichick and out-coach him. If Brady became a coach, he could add another eight to 10 Superbowl rings to his collection.
LOL, if so, why didn't he coach offense and called the plays? why did he push the job to Patricia.
How stupid can fans of Belidiot be?
Brady made "washed up" nobody's into receivers other QB's yurned for. ex..Wes Welker, Amendola, Branch,...
He didn't "need" star receivers; he molded who he was given.
Brady was given ONE receiver, ONE that was "star" material a minute past his prime named Randy Moss; and you see what he did with him to NFL record books. you witnessed the greatest, with no question
@@kenverrill4205 Look at what Brady did in Tampa with Evans and Godwin and Brown, who all were superstar receivers. If he had that kind of talent during his years with the Patriots, he would have a lot more touchdowns and more Super Bowl wins under his belt.
@@kenverrill4205 He never won a damn thing with Randy Moss. It's why I laugh hysterically when Moss fanboys try and put him over Jerry Rice
New to your channel sir, subbed.
Love your stats. Numbers don’t lie.
Yes finally I’ve been waiting for this for a long time
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@@skap_attack based off this video I can tell how u feel about Arod but maybe I’m wrong. I’ll wait …
@@skap_attack also ur the goat of appreciating winning
Where’s all these clowns that used the whole “bRadY iS a sYsTeM qB “ at now! 😂
Moment of silence for owner Kraft…
I don’t even watch sports anymore, but I love your videos.
This doesn't just demonstrate how Brady almost by himself was responsible for the Pats' dynasty (and I will freely admit to being one of the morons who kept saying "it was both of them" until Tom had been away from New England for a couple of years or so). It also shows just how the QB position in football eclipses all positions in all other team sports as being essential for success. Basically elite QB = success in the NFL.
far from it, he was overrated and Bill carried him
So I take it you don’t buy the premise of this video. Then why did and do the Pats suck with Belichick without Brady?
So I take it you don’t buy the premise of this video. Then why did and do the Pats suck with Belichick without Brady?
So I take it you don’t buy the premise of this video. Then why did and do the Pats suck with Belichick without Brady?
So I take it you don’t buy the premise of this video. Then why did and do the Pats suck with Belichick without Brady?
Aaand that’s why Mahomes will NEVER catch Brady even if he does somehow get 7 rings, because Brady in his 40’s was arguably BETTER than Mahomes in his peak of his prime, so that just shows how ABSURD Brady’s peak of his prime was
There’s no debate. Brady in his 40s wasn’t touching Mahomes prime. His numbers are good, but let’s stop that lol
Let’s not act like Manning, Rodgers, and a few others didn’t get MVPs during his reign.
I agree with this. Tho I do not think there is ANY WAY Mahomes sniffs seven rings. Mahomes would be LUCKY to get to 5. Five would more than any quarterback EVER aside from Brady. And he’s in a tough division and a LOADED conference.
@@skap_attack if Mahomes wins 3-4 and makes 5-6 appearances he’d be in the conversation. Unfortunately, Brady does have the “history” with whole Pats organization… Mahomes wins 3-4 without all that, he’d be up there
Honestly, Brady was a better QB the older he got. First 3 rings he was more a field general than a gunslinger. Second half of his career is when he really started slinging the rock.
@@xaviervega468 he was exactly what he had to be to win.
Great job. No longer a debate.
Belicheck is an old school coach, his method only worked with players because he had a leader like Brady. Same thing happened to Tom Couglin. He won two super bowls with the Giants, but when he moved to Jax the younger players didn't respect him, they just saw him as a tough prick.
The disrespect to the other members of the Patriots is unbelievable. Let's just pretend the culture & key defensive Stars like Bruschi, McGhinest, Law, Wilfork, Asante, Gilmore, Revis, McCourty, Seymour, & many others didn't help. Let's pretend the offensive line wasn't great with Mankins, Light, Neal, & others.
But yea, it's all Fn Tom Brady.
As a Pats Fan, The other Members played a big Role in their Success. But Brady had the Biggest Role in the Success. All People involved deserves credit, so I get your Frustration. But we need to do the Same thing with Other Great QB’s too, otherwise it’s just Hating on Brady.
How many hall of famers do you think you just named? Go check the Steelers of the 70s, the cowboys in that same era. The 90s cowboys. Brady didn’t have that kind of talent surrounding him. Yet he built the greatest dynasty in football history.
Tell me how Belidiot defense did better than Titans defense against the greatest show on Turf, given how much he invested on defense.
All great players and fair point
Brady would be the first to acknowledge all of them.
It’s a TEAM SPORT
However, we’re discussing Belichick’s legacy as a coach not the Patriots players
@@moheganson "It’s a TEAM SPORT"
a 3rd grade would ask this question *why could Belichick build the TEAM in a way no other could?*
Are you smarter than a 3rd grade?