im from wa and i’ve been almost brainwashed into thinking that nobody in north qld knows anything about afl but when i went there that couldnt of been further from the truth
Cairns would be an uphill battle for the AFL. I think Canberra makes the most sense. Perhaps the Suns and the Lions should try and grow a supporter base up north...
Just hurry up and give Canberra a team. GWS sell out most of their games there and they are from 3 hours down the road. ACT Government gives GWS $20m to play games there, surely it would make more sense to give it to a local team. Manuka oval is already there, just need the other side re-developed and it's good to go
I think Canberra will be the next expansion area, it's a new market with a fairly sized population. Ballarat has an already Afl following, which would not increase revenue from tv rights deal.
Deff agree that NQ has more merit then one might initially expect, but it still falls short as an expansion opportunity. I think the growth aspect is a bit of a pain point here too. We can compare population growth between NQ and the Gold Coast as an example of a region the AFL decided was worth a risky investment. The idea being that a faster growing region indicates a more economically active and attractive region, with more potential for the AFL to capitalise. If we go by population projections (medium growth estimates), the GC is expected to grow by just under 350k between 2021 and 2046. Townsville and Cairns combined are projected to grow by just over 151k in the same period. Proportionately, that's 55% growth compared to 44%. So you're not only starting with a smaller base, but it's a slower growing population. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where people suddenly start flocking to FNQ and pump that growth rate up, so the long term outlook of investing in the region isn't going to stack up against somewhere with more growth potential. So, how about Canberra then, as a potential alternative? Canberra was about 450k in 2021, and is projected to hit around 675K in 2046. So +220k, about 50% growth (with the added advantage of being concentrated in a far smaller area then Cairns and Townsville). How about 3rd Perth team? We have 2.19m in 2021. can't find anything to get a 2046 figure from, but have 2.9m by 2031 and 3.5m by 2050, so lets use that to approximate to 3.35m at 2045. That puts us at +1.16m people (about 40% growth), and split that between 3 teams, +387k people per team. Over double the NQ growth, larger then the Canberra growth and surpasses the GC growth. Main disadvantage here being that it's existing AFL territory, so if you stuck with two teams you'll probably not miss out on that much growth in the region anyway. As for Adelaide, with Norwood being considered an option, they were at 1.52m for 2021 and have a medium growth projection of 1.92m for 2046. Up 400K, or 26%. And as with Perth, we'd be splitting that between 3 teams, so really only 133K per team. I didn't expect Adelaide to do well here, but I'd almost go as far as to suggest there is a stronger case for a NQ team then there is a third Adelaide team... Reality is obviously way more complicated then this, but these back of the envelope style calculations are fundamental to even considering an option at all. The expansion into Western Sydney and the Gold Coast clearly prioritised long-term growth. If the AFL maintains this priority, there might have been some argument for NQ, but even with a growth mindset, the natural growth of NQ alone isn't really strong enough imo.
Went to Tassie this year for a game, great experience. I have been to Cairns before, and I would 100% take a quick holiday there if the Hawks played there in the future.
North Qld football team is more ridiculous than Darwin, and that won't happen either. N Qld can be serviced by the Gold Coast and possibly a Victorian team. If those two teams play home and away matches there. Say Gold Coast, Brisbane and North Melb play home and away matches there against various teams. Suddenly that's suddenly up to 5 matches a year there, which is sufficient. Home and away matches between the same teams ensures that it remains a neutral fixture with neither team being advantaged or disadvantaged.
@@ACDZ123 The northern suburbs go for ever and will continue to. While large amounts of Brits and S Africans in the areas around Joondalup, the suburbs tend to attract people that love their sport and beach activities. Which is good. Joondaup while a solid centre is relatively new at 35 years and I wonder if it lacks a heart and whether it breeds loyalty. Its just like suburbs that keep going on. West Perth could be the name with iconic WP jumper. But Eagles and Dockers have been in for almost 40 years and the old WP fans are well into theiir boomer years and it would be very hard to convince people to change teams.
@@ACDZ123 Southwest lacks population and too spread out. You could merge with Mandurah for a south west team. But SW areas may not want to support a team in Mandurah. That would also hurt the ;Dockers fan base.
Only positive thing with N Qld is that a lot of people from Victoria go there and we don't want to lose first generation of Queenslanders to AFL and then have their kids become rugby league converts. Same with Gold Coast, but the population is more and AFL has a stronger presence. I reckon have 6 AFL matches a year, plus preseason training and practice matches. Encourage Suns and Brisbane to play there, plus maybe a Victorian team, and then the locals will develop a bit of interest and rivalry in their town. With fans being mostly immigrants from Victoria they will probably be loyal to their Victorian team along with their kids. You can't afford that in a rugby heartland.
The thing is, will it have the fan base to support it? You can't pop an Afl team in a city with 150000 people in it and expect enough fans to not only make it financially viable but also be competitive against other teams.
I think North Queensland is certainly a long term goal for the AFL, but certainly not the next AFL expansion. If they want to target more hardcore NRL heartland, they need to get into Newcastle first.
Nah Newcastle would flop. It doesn't have the same culture of people as inner city Sydney or Brisbane for it to take off. Newcastle is just as passionate about NRL as Western Sydney is
@@B-tr9kz I think 18 teams is too much anyway. So definitely don't need extra teams in small markets. Let Sydney play a couple matches there instead. Two teams in NSW/ACT is easily enough. If Sydney played North Melb both home and away there, then that would be two matches and generate interest.
The main difference in the NQ and Tasmanian comparisons is the distance between the two major cities. Launceston to Hobart is verging on too far too for most fans to consistently travel for a game. That's a bit over two hours. Cairns to Townsville is over four hours. Very few are making that trek. They're essentially two smaller markets rather than one medium one.
Who will pay for these teams in small cities? These videos on AFL expansion always gloss over the economics. WA#3 is the most sensible choice for AFL Team 20
Ya don’t need a roof in North Queensland. A roofless stadium makes it a hard road trip for the away team. Just like when a North Queensland team working travel to chilly Melbourne. Balances out
Its weird as hell, NT or North QLD wouldn't work by itself or a combined team despite them being passionate...... Guess the option is to pivot certain teams to play at least few games per year.
The best way forward for the AFL is a Canberra team. Neither Adelaide nor Perth have the supporter base to make a third team viable and Darwin has issues of its own. Canberra has enough AFL fans to make it work (and the right climate) plus it would draw in fans from parts of regional NSW as well. As for North Queensland, they have both the supporter base issues and the climate issues. Best bet is for the Suns or Lions to try and grow their supporter base in North Queensland (maybe play a game or 2 up there)
Darwin matches are full of freebies. They don't have the population or wealth to fill the stadium every week, including the corporate and premium seating. Low population and largely shifting. So footy fans are more likely to stick with Victorian team instead of their local Darwin team. Money would be better spent running programs for youngsters in remote areas that are all nationalities and giving them opportunities. A country kid that doesn't go to a private school in Perth via wealthy parents or school scholarship will find it a lot harder to reach the level. Money trying to prop up a professional team is money completely wasted. Better to run programs in NT and sponsor the local competition so they can have more professionalism with coaches and talent identifcation.
To be honest atleast one of the Melbourne teams have to relocate. Obviously the fanbase won't like it but it's for the better of said team and even the league. North Melbourne and Saint Kilda are the two that come to mind. Better yet, Two teams can merge, that way some room can be created for more teams. But I think Canberra makes the most sense. We will see soon because I doubt the league will want to stay at 19 teams.
Darwin can't play there. Just have Gold Coast playing home and away matches there each year against a couple of teams. 4 matchs in Darwin a year is sufficient plus another in Alice.
Melbourne, a 150 year old club that won a Flag 3 years ago ad finished top 4 last year got 16,000 people to a game 2 weeks ago. Just sayin' .. people are FICKLE!! 😅
My bet that the 20th teams should go in to Canberra. That said, if the AFL still want to expand on to other markets without deluding the quality of the payers pool. Then the issue with the amount of Melbourne teams. I cant see the struggling Melbourne teams being able to stand alone, financially speaking in the extended long term. As in 40 to 50 years time. That said, if the AFL still want to prop up the smaller teams. Then it should come with the condition of a move. The best option would be move three teams. One to Newcastle. One to Cairns. and the other to Darwin. As in Northern Kangaroo's, St Cairns, and Newcastle Bulldogs. If Hawthan move, then maybe have the Townsvile Hawks.
There will never be an enclosed stadium in Darwin or Cairns. It absolutely won't happen. Teams that play there just have to get used to it or play late morning or late afternoon to avoid heat and dew. I think forget about that ever being an option. N Qld definitely won't get a team and Darwin are unlikely to either. The push is more likely to be Perth.
I am not sure if Qld can support three AFL clubs and four NRL in terms of sponsorship and commercial support. The Brisbane Broncos are up there with Collingwood in terms of the size of their commercial power and they dominate press (helps being owned by News Ltd) coverage and they have a strong relationship with the business end of Brisbane and Queensland which makes it hard for the other teams to access this revenue and sponsorship in Qld. Having said that I do wonder if the Gold Coast is worth persevering with as both the NRL and the AFL teams struggle. The NRL team has gone broke multiple times and appears to be a continual drain on NRL resources. The NRL will be reluctant to get rid of a team in Qld which is the heartland per capita of the game. Moving the suns would give access to a fresh market and leave the NRL with the albatross of their Gold Coast team around their neck. The Lions could play a couple of games a year in Gold Coast and the Suns could be me moved somewhere else in Queensland that gets into the heart of NRL fans where an NRL team is not located so they can build a long term community connection.
If it worked for Townsville in the NRL, then it could work in AFL with Townsville depending on weather conditions. A Docklands style roof will be required for all Northern Australia stadiums due to weather conditions.
It wouldn't work. North QLD had a huge rugby league history from 1908-1995 when the Cowboys entered the NRL. Some of the greatest QLD and Australian players were from up there.
It works for Townsville because they love Rugby League. They don't feel anywhere near the same way about AFL. The Cowboys don't have a roof and they do fine. Why do you think a sport that is NOWHERE near as popular will get a roofed stadium. It's never going to happen in a million years.
A new stadium in cairns. It’s not going to happen. Especially a roofed one. We can’t even get a new stadium in Brisbane for the god damned Olympics for god sake. As neither political party has the balls to do what’s right and invest in the future needs of the state.
Cairns have come to the hawks to provide them a 2nd home so yes there’s definitely support that’s where the suns should have went tbh let Brisbane have all of southern qld having Gold Coast there does nothing for the game
GWS need to play all their games in western Sydney, and should get out of Canberra anyway. The short term help of Canberra holds them back in their key region. Any secondary market could be in Penrith or something - still western Sydney but a long travel time from their home base - if a venue can be found. Blacktown is perhaps not far enough out to be considered a secondary area but could fill the hole for a while.
@@TheGreatLordDufus disagree. GWS need to play in Canberra so they can get more consistent crowds, stronger fan based, so they can sell more merchandise etc... GWS should play home and away matches in Canberra against teams like St Kilda or North. Straight away that would be 4 matches per year. I reckon even North Melb could play a Sydney there. So you're getting enough matches for the market.
@@canberrapear7219 There are less than 400k people in Canberra. What gives them the right to have a team anyway. Giants and Swans can play home and away matches there. Both teams need to grow their supporter group so they can make money out of sponsorship and merchandise.
Easy for you to say if you're already in a city with a team. As a Canberran living off the scraps of an interstate team, it's a real struggle. Meanwhile Melbournians have nine teams to choose from.
Not in the pro AFL. They have plenty of racially based teams around the country already in other competitions or special events like an indigenous festival.
I'd say North Melbourne could easily become the Northern Kangaroos. Bulldogs become the Golden Bulldogs or Central Western Bulldogs (encompass Ballarat, Maryborough, Bendigo & Goulburn Valley)(Playing a few home games a year in Bendigo & at Deakin Reserve) St Kilda to become a the Canberra team, the Capital Saints or something, capture the Riverina region with a couple home games in Wagga Wagga or Griffith. in 2050 & beyond, can defintely see the addition of a North Sydney/Central Coast/Hunter team a 3rd South Australia Team (probably to cover North Adelaide, Gawler, Barossa, Clare Valley etc)(maybe a couple games at Adelaide Hills) a 3rd WA Team for North Perth that plays at Arena Joondalup and, you can only assume, the AFL would've figured out a way to fund the NT Team by then, giving them 24 rounds and 24 teams
as someone from north queensland, i can confirm we wont be as hostile to an AFL club as people say, its actually decently popular up here.
im from wa and i’ve been almost brainwashed into thinking that nobody in north qld knows anything about afl but when i went there that couldnt of been further from the truth
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I reckon just have 6 matches there a year max. That's sufficient. Gold Coast and Brisbane can play there,,,, and possibly North.
You’d be better than us Novocastrians. I want a team here in Newcastle but we’re hostile towards the Australian game sadly 😢
@@Barto0482 I think 1 or 2 games a year is sufficient.
Cairns would be an uphill battle for the AFL. I think Canberra makes the most sense. Perhaps the Suns and the Lions should try and grow a supporter base up north...
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Just hurry up and give Canberra a team. GWS sell out most of their games there and they are from 3 hours down the road. ACT Government gives GWS $20m to play games there, surely it would make more sense to give it to a local team. Manuka oval is already there, just need the other side re-developed and it's good to go
Canberra definitely makes the most sense. Three games a year from a FIFO team just doesn't cut it.
That seems to be the logical option.
GWS should relocate to Canberra and just play 3 game a year in Western Sydney. Thry got it back to front!
@@derekbos4404Yes!
@@WarwickGankyou know it makes sense as Sam K would say .. so it won't happen 😅
Nowhere in Northern Australian would an AFL club be financially viable
all the locals are given freebies. better to invest in the local NT teams and have extra coaches to help the kids along.
I think Canberra will be the next expansion area, it's a new market with a fairly sized population. Ballarat has an already Afl following, which would not increase revenue from tv rights deal.
Deff agree that NQ has more merit then one might initially expect, but it still falls short as an expansion opportunity. I think the growth aspect is a bit of a pain point here too.
We can compare population growth between NQ and the Gold Coast as an example of a region the AFL decided was worth a risky investment. The idea being that a faster growing region indicates a more economically active and attractive region, with more potential for the AFL to capitalise. If we go by population projections (medium growth estimates), the GC is expected to grow by just under 350k between 2021 and 2046. Townsville and Cairns combined are projected to grow by just over 151k in the same period. Proportionately, that's 55% growth compared to 44%. So you're not only starting with a smaller base, but it's a slower growing population. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where people suddenly start flocking to FNQ and pump that growth rate up, so the long term outlook of investing in the region isn't going to stack up against somewhere with more growth potential.
So, how about Canberra then, as a potential alternative? Canberra was about 450k in 2021, and is projected to hit around 675K in 2046. So +220k, about 50% growth (with the added advantage of being concentrated in a far smaller area then Cairns and Townsville). How about 3rd Perth team? We have 2.19m in 2021. can't find anything to get a 2046 figure from, but have 2.9m by 2031 and 3.5m by 2050, so lets use that to approximate to 3.35m at 2045. That puts us at +1.16m people (about 40% growth), and split that between 3 teams, +387k people per team. Over double the NQ growth, larger then the Canberra growth and surpasses the GC growth. Main disadvantage here being that it's existing AFL territory, so if you stuck with two teams you'll probably not miss out on that much growth in the region anyway.
As for Adelaide, with Norwood being considered an option, they were at 1.52m for 2021 and have a medium growth projection of 1.92m for 2046. Up 400K, or 26%. And as with Perth, we'd be splitting that between 3 teams, so really only 133K per team. I didn't expect Adelaide to do well here, but I'd almost go as far as to suggest there is a stronger case for a NQ team then there is a third Adelaide team...
Reality is obviously way more complicated then this, but these back of the envelope style calculations are fundamental to even considering an option at all. The expansion into Western Sydney and the Gold Coast clearly prioritised long-term growth. If the AFL maintains this priority, there might have been some argument for NQ, but even with a growth mindset, the natural growth of NQ alone isn't really strong enough imo.
Went to Tassie this year for a game, great experience. I have been to Cairns before, and I would 100% take a quick holiday there if the Hawks played there in the future.
North Qld football team is more ridiculous than Darwin, and that won't happen either. N Qld can be serviced by the Gold Coast and possibly a Victorian team. If those two teams play home and away matches there. Say Gold Coast, Brisbane and North Melb play home and away matches there against various teams. Suddenly that's suddenly up to 5 matches a year there, which is sufficient. Home and away matches between the same teams ensures that it remains a neutral fixture with neither team being advantaged or disadvantaged.
In 2022, they played a game up in Cairns between Saint Kilda and put Adelaide
Tbh Perth is the obvious choice because its the only option where the population is booming and set to be around 3 million within 5 more years
agreed. but the issue is where in WA. what's your view.
@@BDub2024 has to be Joondalup
@@ACDZ123 Relocate North to Wanneroo... become the Wanneroos.
@@ACDZ123 The northern suburbs go for ever and will continue to. While large amounts of Brits and S Africans in the areas around Joondalup, the suburbs tend to attract people that love their sport and beach activities. Which is good. Joondaup while a solid centre is relatively new at 35 years and I wonder if it lacks a heart and whether it breeds loyalty. Its just like suburbs that keep going on. West Perth could be the name with iconic WP jumper. But Eagles and Dockers have been in for almost 40 years and the old WP fans are well into theiir boomer years and it would be very hard to convince people to change teams.
@@ACDZ123 Southwest lacks population and too spread out. You could merge with Mandurah for a south west team. But SW areas may not want to support a team in Mandurah. That would also hurt the ;Dockers fan base.
Only positive thing with N Qld is that a lot of people from Victoria go there and we don't want to lose first generation of Queenslanders to AFL and then have their kids become rugby league converts. Same with Gold Coast, but the population is more and AFL has a stronger presence. I reckon have 6 AFL matches a year, plus preseason training and practice matches. Encourage Suns and Brisbane to play there, plus maybe a Victorian team, and then the locals will develop a bit of interest and rivalry in their town. With fans being mostly immigrants from Victoria they will probably be loyal to their Victorian team along with their kids. You can't afford that in a rugby heartland.
The thing is, will it have the fan base to support it? You can't pop an Afl team in a city with 150000 people in it and expect enough fans to not only make it financially viable but also be competitive against other teams.
I think North Queensland is certainly a long term goal for the AFL, but certainly not the next AFL expansion. If they want to target more hardcore NRL heartland, they need to get into Newcastle first.
Nah Newcastle would flop. It doesn't have the same culture of people as inner city Sydney or Brisbane for it to take off. Newcastle is just as passionate about NRL as Western Sydney is
Newcastle will never happen. Certainly Sydney could play a home match there and do preseason practice matches.
Newy is the hardest market to crack into (as someone from Newcastle). A team in New Zealand would work over Newcastle
@@BDub2024 Never say never. Its the 7th biggest city in the country after all. Just don't piss the Knights off and you'll be fine lol.
@@B-tr9kz I think 18 teams is too much anyway. So definitely don't need extra teams in small markets. Let Sydney play a couple matches there instead. Two teams in NSW/ACT is easily enough. If Sydney played North Melb both home and away there, then that would be two matches and generate interest.
The main difference in the NQ and Tasmanian comparisons is the distance between the two major cities.
Launceston to Hobart is verging on too far too for most fans to consistently travel for a game. That's a bit over two hours.
Cairns to Townsville is over four hours. Very few are making that trek. They're essentially two smaller markets rather than one medium one.
You should make a video about the best AFL team training facilities (The Hangar, GMHBA, Waverley Park, etc.)
Who will pay for these teams in small cities?
These videos on AFL expansion always gloss over the economics.
WA#3 is the most sensible choice for AFL Team 20
Canberra is just as viable as a third Perth team.
What’s with the mentality that every new stadium MUST have a roof, Jesus Christ the weather isn’t even that bad for most of the year lmao
Ya don’t need a roof in North Queensland. A roofless stadium makes it a hard road trip for the away team. Just like when a North Queensland team working travel to chilly Melbourne. Balances out
there is no way a roofed stadium will occur.
Its weird as hell, NT or North QLD wouldn't work by itself or a combined team despite them being passionate......
Guess the option is to pivot certain teams to play at least few games per year.
The best way forward for the AFL is a Canberra team. Neither Adelaide nor Perth have the supporter base to make a third team viable and Darwin has issues of its own. Canberra has enough AFL fans to make it work (and the right climate) plus it would draw in fans from parts of regional NSW as well. As for North Queensland, they have both the supporter base issues and the climate issues.
Best bet is for the Suns or Lions to try and grow their supporter base in North Queensland (maybe play a game or 2 up there)
Newcastle video please
The locals here are too hostile towards the game to support a team. We are probably the worst place for it sadly
Darwin matches are full of freebies. They don't have the population or wealth to fill the stadium every week, including the corporate and premium seating. Low population and largely shifting. So footy fans are more likely to stick with Victorian team instead of their local Darwin team. Money would be better spent running programs for youngsters in remote areas that are all nationalities and giving them opportunities. A country kid that doesn't go to a private school in Perth via wealthy parents or school scholarship will find it a lot harder to reach the level. Money trying to prop up a professional team is money completely wasted. Better to run programs in NT and sponsor the local competition so they can have more professionalism with coaches and talent identifcation.
To be honest atleast one of the Melbourne teams have to relocate. Obviously the fanbase won't like it but it's for the better of said team and even the league. North Melbourne and Saint Kilda are the two that come to mind.
Better yet, Two teams can merge, that way some room can be created for more teams.
But I think Canberra makes the most sense. We will see soon because I doubt the league will want to stay at 19 teams.
After 20 teams there is going to be no where to relocate lmao
Actually Norwood makes the most sense.
Tasmania dont even have a stadium yet mate. Who knows if they are playing
imo, a NT team would be the best option since it doesnt have any AFL teams there (gold coast & melbourne sometimes play as homeground)
Darwin can't play there. Just have Gold Coast playing home and away matches there each year against a couple of teams. 4 matchs in Darwin a year is sufficient plus another in Alice.
Melbourne, a 150 year old club that won a Flag 3 years ago ad finished top 4 last year got 16,000 people to a game 2 weeks ago. Just sayin' .. people are FICKLE!! 😅
I’ve lived in Townsville since 2009 having grown up in Broken Hill and I’d love footy to be more popular up here.
A third Perth team?! Absolutely not.
My bet that the 20th teams should go in to Canberra. That said, if the AFL still want to expand on to other markets without deluding the quality of the payers pool. Then the issue with the amount of Melbourne teams. I cant see the struggling Melbourne teams being able to stand alone, financially speaking in the extended long term. As in 40 to 50 years time. That said, if the AFL still want to prop up the smaller teams. Then it should come with the condition of a move. The best option would be move three teams. One to Newcastle. One to Cairns. and the other to Darwin. As in Northern Kangaroo's, St Cairns, and Newcastle Bulldogs. If Hawthan move, then maybe have the Townsvile Hawks.
Diluting talent is only a short term problem tbh
A relocated team doesn't resolve the uneven teams situation.
There will never be an enclosed stadium in Darwin or Cairns. It absolutely won't happen. Teams that play there just have to get used to it or play late morning or late afternoon to avoid heat and dew. I think forget about that ever being an option. N Qld definitely won't get a team and Darwin are unlikely to either. The push is more likely to be Perth.
I am not sure if Qld can support three AFL clubs and four NRL in terms of sponsorship and commercial support. The Brisbane Broncos are up there with Collingwood in terms of the size of their commercial power and they dominate press (helps being owned by News Ltd) coverage and they have a strong relationship with the business end of Brisbane and Queensland which makes it hard for the other teams to access this revenue and sponsorship in Qld.
Having said that I do wonder if the Gold Coast is worth persevering with as both the NRL and the AFL teams struggle. The NRL team has gone broke multiple times and appears to be a continual drain on NRL resources. The NRL will be reluctant to get rid of a team in Qld which is the heartland per capita of the game. Moving the suns would give access to a fresh market and leave the NRL with the albatross of their Gold Coast team around their neck. The Lions could play a couple of games a year in Gold Coast and the Suns could be me moved somewhere else in Queensland that gets into the heart of NRL fans where an NRL team is not located so they can build a long term community connection.
You reckon the suns n gws needed hand outs to survive... wait to you see what cairns would need.
Plus people from Cairns won't travel to Townsville n vice versa. There's not enough devotion
That's why Suns should be helped to grow the Darwin market or Cairns. Why GWS should be able to win over Canberra. Help make them more sustainable.
NT would be a better bet.
Northern suburbs of Sydney is ripe for the picking. The soccer is kaput, NRL is for the Pacific immigrants and union is for a different century.
You dont live in Sydney. NRL is for everyone. Most fans are white but it is incredibly diverse. your melbourne attitude is racist towards islanders
"NRL is for Pacific immigrants" ..? weird comment. Part of NRL's fast expansion is exactly because it embraces its diversity.
Broo
Make vdo on expansion of Bbl teams as well
No expansion required, unless they go to Singapore or NZ.
If it worked for Townsville in the NRL, then it could work in AFL with Townsville depending on weather conditions.
A Docklands style roof will be required for all Northern Australia stadiums due to weather conditions.
It wouldn't work. North QLD had a huge rugby league history from 1908-1995 when the Cowboys entered the NRL. Some of the greatest QLD and Australian players were from up there.
It works for Townsville because they love Rugby League. They don't feel anywhere near the same way about AFL.
The Cowboys don't have a roof and they do fine. Why do you think a sport that is NOWHERE near as popular will get a roofed stadium. It's never going to happen in a million years.
A new stadium in cairns. It’s not going to happen. Especially a roofed one.
We can’t even get a new stadium in Brisbane for the god damned Olympics for god sake. As neither political party has the balls to do what’s right and invest in the future needs of the state.
Cairns have come to the hawks to provide them a 2nd home so yes there’s definitely support that’s where the suns should have went tbh let Brisbane have all of southern qld having Gold Coast there does nothing for the game
From a nq local.no chance in hell .
If only Morton bay city was interested butt they got enough on there plate can’t build fast enough
If Canberra comes in GWS will have to find another secondary market - and Cairns is more Aussie Rules friendly than people think.
GWS need to play all their games in western Sydney, and should get out of Canberra anyway. The short term help of Canberra holds them back in their key region. Any secondary market could be in Penrith or something - still western Sydney but a long travel time from their home base - if a venue can be found. Blacktown is perhaps not far enough out to be considered a secondary area but could fill the hole for a while.
@@TheGreatLordDufus disagree. GWS need to play in Canberra so they can get more consistent crowds, stronger fan based, so they can sell more merchandise etc... GWS should play home and away matches in Canberra against teams like St Kilda or North. Straight away that would be 4 matches per year. I reckon even North Melb could play a Sydney there. So you're getting enough matches for the market.
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@@BDub2024 Canberrans are getting sick of the scraps from GWS.
@@canberrapear7219 There are less than 400k people in Canberra. What gives them the right to have a team anyway. Giants and Swans can play home and away matches there. Both teams need to grow their supporter group so they can make money out of sponsorship and merchandise.
I am so sick of expansion teams. We are not that big of a country population wise, we already have enough teams.
Easy for you to say if you're already in a city with a team. As a Canberran living off the scraps of an interstate team, it's a real struggle. Meanwhile Melbournians have nine teams to choose from.
@@canberrapear7219 Both leagues should go to 20 and then chill. Canberra and Perth/Ballarat for AFL. Christchurch, Perth, and Adelaide for NRL.
No
Would an indigenous Afl team work ?
Not in the pro AFL. They have plenty of racially based teams around the country already in other competitions or special events like an indigenous festival.
It has to be a Northern Australian team. Based in Cairns for the first part of the season, Darwin for the second part of the season.
Nah a Ballarat relocation will never happen. Any Melb teams relocating will be outside Victoria.
Kick out st kilda or add canberra
Canberra Saints??? more likely Canberra Sinners.
I'd say North Melbourne could easily become the Northern Kangaroos.
Bulldogs become the Golden Bulldogs or Central Western Bulldogs (encompass Ballarat, Maryborough, Bendigo & Goulburn Valley)(Playing a few home games a year in Bendigo & at Deakin Reserve)
St Kilda to become a the Canberra team, the Capital Saints or something, capture the Riverina region with a couple home games in Wagga Wagga or Griffith.
in 2050 & beyond, can defintely see the addition of a North Sydney/Central Coast/Hunter team
a 3rd South Australia Team (probably to cover North Adelaide, Gawler, Barossa, Clare Valley etc)(maybe a couple games at Adelaide Hills)
a 3rd WA Team for North Perth that plays at Arena Joondalup
and, you can only assume, the AFL would've figured out a way to fund the NT Team by then, giving them 24 rounds and 24 teams
No North Melbourne can go to Joondalup and become the Joondalup Roos. OR better still in the neighbouring suburb become the Wanneroo Roos.