Hey Guys, what will Joe Scmidt next game plan be, Koroibete wasn't enough of a shore up game 1....plus now they dont have home ground advantage....either way I totally feel they are going to do the sweep on the end of year tour and emulate the #GrandSlam tour of that great 80's team-( Joe does have an insiders veiw of the British Isles, does he not?)
Inaccurate about Irelands populous having primary interest in Rugby Union. Ireland play GAA, Gaelic football and hurling. After that is soccer. Golf is popular also. Rugby is at best 4th team sport but over the last 20 years is slowly becoming more popular. League is the difference maker in Australia.
Why? Because Rugby Union in Australia sold out to Rupert Murdoch. No free to air TV = zero interest in Rugby for most Aussies = a slow and lingering death
100% no Union on free to air TV killed it, all the best talent and athletic freaks want to play AFL or League because it is what they see and are exposed to at a young age.
I was shouted down at bbqs and other social gatherings for decrying the lockup of the game behind a paywall. Absolute suicide. Rugby is dead in Australia. Well zombie like.
Yep that was why I clicked on this to write the same! I notice the author of the video didnt 'like' this comment lol And the Proof is and will be look at V8 Supercars drop off since doing the same.
This statement is correct and it was made worse by the commentating. For years the commentators were constantly complaining about the laws, the referees and how the game should be different. It was made more disappointing by the fact that their law interpretations and complaints about the referees were quite often factually incorrect. The reason I mention this is that many people like myself (complete rugby fanatic) started to switch channels away from union to league and AFL as the constant incorrect whining was getting too much. The fact is that if parents like myself are switching the TV channel over to other sports then there is no chance that my children will pick it up as a sport. What's happening now is a product of those failures over the past 10-15 years.
It was a ridiculous argument all round. As you say soccer, Gaelic football and hurling are more popular in Ireland. In SA and NZ rugby might be the more popular sport but it’s not like people aren’t drawn to sports like cricket and soccer as well. And then also the argument is Australia are bad because of their attention to other sports then explain England, France and Argentina.
@@HA-be5xkI think the issue is that Australia has also an strong root for Rugby League or others variations of rugby. In SA, Argentina, France or England, rugby competes with soccer but they not compete in terms of rugby players wanting to play soccer for more money and fame.
The best thing to happen to Australian Rugby was the first World Cup win. It made professionals out of them, they had to money concentrate on Rugby full time. The worst thing was the money, they stopped looking within and thought they could win by buying league players, which meant they had to change the way they played the game.
Rugby Australia took a shit all over junior rugby and focused solely on rich elitist private schools who surprise surprise aren’t where the best junior talent is.
Lots of asian and indian boys are now going to the private schools for the status and the education - not to play rugby. There’s just not enough kids playing rugby to get a decent senior team. How many play rugby outside of Qld, NSW and ACT?
New Zealand is far from all about Rugby Union. We play a lot of different sports in local competitions. Netball, hockey, basketball, tennis, cricket, softball, football/soccer, rugby league, golf, rowing, yachting, etc. This uploader is ridiculously ignorant.
I'm sure there's some stats on the exact breakdown, however anecdotally I would break it down like this. In Queensland and NSW, rugby league was always more popular than union, but I the last 10-20 years that gap has increased tenfold. Australian Rules football dominates all in the southern/western states, but I would say it is well ahead of rugby union in Queensland/NSW currently too, which would have been an absurd thing to claim in the 20th century. Everything else is much less regional. Nationwide in audience and/or participation Cricket, Soccer, Basketball, Netball, Tennis, Golf have more engagement. Motorsports if you count that would beat rugby union also. As others have said the player pool and active fanbase is almost exclusively expatriates from rugby playing nations and elite private school alumni (primarily Queensland and NSW private schools also). There is no way to fix this really. If only the world would realise that rugby league is clearly the superior variant 😅
@@kwig3520 Yeah funny joke. League blows inherently and will never go anywhere beyond 2 states of Australia. It only ever took off there thanks to poker machines in clubrooms. A lot of Australia’s Union player base always came from rural Queensland and still does.
Mate I’ll tell you this now. Us Aussies winning 2 world cups and being a competitive side is an absolutely anomaly. The reason we had a good run is because Rugby League in Australia in the 90s were going through a civil war. Half the teams were playing in the ARL and the other half were playing in the Super League. Eventually they both merged to create what we have today, the NRL. We are only just feeling the consequences of that anomaly from the 90s now, we were never good at union. Union thrived when League was at war.
What a load of bullocks mate. As a Kiwi, I HATE the Wallabies. Even more so after the Israel Folau vs LGBTQP gender twats saga. But to say that Australia was never good at Rugby tells me you were watching with your eyes closed or that you never really watched at all. That's a BS take. And trust me when I say, I absolutely HATE the Wallabies with every inch of my body. Especially after going political. I don't pity them one bit I do know that what you said was a lie. Many Greats of the game are Australian & from those eras where they won the Web Ellis x2
NRL in the nineties boasted the likes of Big Mals Raiders, Ricky Stuart, Daley, krazeee State of Origins, Broncos Langer and Co. , The King was still playing, i think, The Chief and Spud bad blood, who can forget Benny Elias.....
When 95% of Australians wouldn't know a single wallabies player, or could name them, you know your code of sport has serious problems!! The wallabies and rugby union in Australia is fast becoming irrelevant in the Australian sporting landscape, and it's a national/ international side no one cares, or is interested in following anymore!!
As somebody from Australia who's graduated High school recently, I can say that Rugby Union is an exclusive WASP sport, played by elite Private school boys. Ironically the best young players are Pacific Islander's but because of their socio-economic background they can't meet the financial requirements to play the sport. It's a total disconnect in this country.
Yes League is where most of the talented young players end up in Australia so Australian Rugby is always going to struggle... Especially considering NZ And SA have many of their talented athletes playing rugby! On a different note, the videos on the playlist on my channel titled 'Purpose of Life?' might change someone's life for the better!
yup, the Aussies just need a little spark, to kick start their comeback....is it Mr Schmidt or a particular player, I think Rob Valetini can be the guy!
Same as in Australia. AFL, Rugby League, soccer and Rugby Union. In Sydney and Brisbane the AFL is also making big inroads into the middle and upper class set. I reckon its hurting the numbers playing and supporting Rugby. Both cities remain Rugby League heartland. Also with Rugby League having access to poker machines they can pay big money for players. Only Syd and Brisb develop rugby players now.
Australia would be an absolute rugby force if they didn't lose talent, fans, finances to both the AFL and NRL codes. Additionally, the code is heavily mismanaged and has been for decades with inept ARU leadership that have no rugby knowledge/ experience commanding over foreign coaches who struggle to understand the Australian rugby set up. Schmidt being an exception. A lot of talent also goes missing overseas to european/ japanese clubs.
As per your last sentence, Rassie Erasmus delivered the blueprint for that. His world cup winning sides have taken talent from across the globe and concentrated it into a singular, demonic force.
@SaffaGains an international professional club competition, where it isn't exactly easy or cheap to go and watch your team play away games or even local derbies, atleast for the Australian clubs. And that's is even before you can talk about what the South Africans teams played, any Australian or NZ team playing over there. If I wanted to watch a game I would have to stay up all night and morning. That isn't very easy to do when people have school and work. Example. Let's say I am a reds supporter, and the reds are playing the Tahs in Sydeny, or the Blues in Auckland. Isn't easy for me to support my teams in person. Compare that to league and AFL who play in a domestic professional competition. Roosters play Rabbits, I can go to that game cheap and easy. Geelong play Demons, I can go to that game cheap and easy. Just makes sense to have a domestic professional competition.
@Fuzcapp definitely did not help the situation but she never should have been in the role in the first place. Blame should go to the people who hired her.
It all started in 03 with the arrogance of then CEO John O’Neill. When after losing the final came out openly and stated union would be the dominant code. So they started signing some of the NRLs better players. Problem it had the opposite effect. While union signed a few top liners. NRL clubs went on a signing spree. NRL clubs signed up the best junior talent in the country. Since then the NRL has gone gang busters with huge TV deals and sponsorships. Where as union has gone almost bankrupt.
A bit of a correction for your comment about South Africa not having competing sports, although your point still stands. Technically soccer is much bigger than rugby in South Africa by number of players and fans. Cricket is seen as the summer time sport equivalent of what was traditionally autumn-winter time rugby in the past. But yes, rugby league has repeatedly failed to take off in South Africa. So the big bulky players all go to Union. Australia suffers from being divided that way as you state.
There is no real division with Union and League in Australia, league has 95% of the interest and will take all the best young talents of both sports as well, the only divide is the east coast and the rest between League and AFL, which is roughly a 50/50 split population wise.
Rugby union is absolutely not the overwhelming sport preferred by the populace in Ireland. It is extremely niche to the general public, Gaelic football is by far the most popular, followed by hurling and then football, with rugby down the ranks as the 4th most popular sport in Ireland.
You're right it isn't the overwhelming sport but saying it is "extremely niche" is a huge overstatement. Especially in recent years I can say that rugby here has grown in the national psyche. Most households were following the world cup last year and the recent 6 nations have been big all over the country
Completely untrue to say that rugby is the most favoured sport by the Irish populace. There are 3 ball sports that are more popular than rugby in Ireland.
From what Aussie friends have told me. Rugby union is now totally behind a paywall, it's more expensive to join for kids than Aussie rules or Rugby League. If kids don't see it they aren't going to get inspired to play it.
Not totally. The Wallabies games are free to air and we get a Saturday night Super Rugby game free to air aswell, but for many years Super Rugby was for paid subscriptions only and this definitely contributed to rugby's demise in Australia
@@davidbarnett3821still, it is very difficult to even know a match is on. Little to no advertising, and even then, the match is buried on Gem or Go, behind a B grade movie on Channel 9 HD.
Exactly, it's even made worse the stigma that it's an "upper class" sport only played in private schools and followed by the well heeled. NRL and AFL will always pull more views these days though and the TV networks know it.
I was an Australian sportswriter back in the days when magazines were still viable in the early 2000s. Two times we put Wallabies "stars" on the front cover. Those were our worst-selling issues ever, and this was in the days when the Wallabies were good. The Wallabies have tiny niches of support here and there but the sport is not mainstream in Australia and apart from very brief moments when it penetrated the national consciousness, it never really has been. In the rugby season, it's all about Aussie rules footy (AFL) and rugby league (NRL). No regular person can name a rugby (union) player, no one watches rugby union and no one cares
I’m from NZ (and I don’t like cricket). And I think this uploader must have a VERY strange view of the world if he thinks that we even “focus” on rugby let alone solely. Rugby is very popular here, both to play and watch, has mainstream popularity, and has been for a long time. And our national team has a long history of being extremely successful. It’s to the point of being tied-in with the culture. But we don’t “focus” on rugby (whatever he imagines that is and however we’re supposed to do that). Plenty of other sports are popular here and have a credible national competition. Netball, hockey, basketball, Soccer, league, golf, whatever. A lot of people here aren’t into rugby at all, and we’re mostly fine with that. The strange ideas these Brits get…
As a Springbok fan, it is sad to see Ozzie Rugby Union struggle like this! Under Rennie, I thought the Ozzies were playing good old Ozzie rugby again! That year RC was the best, everyone won 1 lost 1, except Australia unluckily just lost to the All Blacks! Even the EOTY Rennie took a lot of unknowns up to the Northern Hemisphere and OZ played so very well! Then Rennie was dropped for Eddie Jones, which turned out to be a disaster! Yes, they have Schmidt now but I feel Ozzie lost a chance with Rennie to start playing great Ozzie footy again!
Yes, you're right. Eddie Jones was an unmitigated disaster. I could never understand that appointment because he was the Wallabies coach previously with very poor results(in the early 2000s) Hopefully Joe Schmidt will take us in the right direction
I'm from the AFL side of the country and I can say one thing. people here wouldn't even know if the wallabies are playing. Of course there are a few fans and a lot people from NSW and QLD that would be interested in it. But generally speaking it's not a topic of conversation amongst people. it doesn't even compute.
Why do you think that is, though? I mean, I get that some sports are more popular, but I would imagine that if you woke up tomorrow and you guys were suddenly the best basketball team on earth, your populace would at least go watch it?
@@randomlyfactual1943 The best way to describe the AFL states - and ESPECIALLY Victoria - is “intentionally ignorant” of other forms of football. It’s as though it offends them that there are forms of football not AFL. You see it in how they just refuse to engage with the fact that there are two forms of Rugby Football, despite the fact that State of Origin is nationally always among the top rated sporting events every year and the Melbourne Storm are actually one of the most successful and best run franchises across any sport here. This is because AFL is itself more like a chauvinistically Victorian game - it’s almost like a sub nationalist movement, unlike the two Rugby codes which are repesentative more of class movements, with League being a working person’s movement and Union sadly being built on the snobbery of private school identities.
@@DeftPolVery useful explanation to an outsider, thanks. I find that so bizarre, though. I mean, you guys aren't like that with other sports, right? Cricketing achievements, as far as I'm aware, is celebrated all across Australia. Likewise your barnstorming Olympic performance this year. Why this animosity when the ball becomes oval?!
@@randomlyfactual1943 a bit of a bandwagon sort of situation, yes. But people wouldn't follow a league. If you walk into a random pub in the muddle of the rugby world cup. You wouldn't see heaps of people gathering to watc h the game. Some would watch because it happens to be broadcasting... you've got to adk people to change the channel as most would unaware of the game.there is a larger awareness of the fifa world cup than the rugby world cup in this state for instance
@@Louieinoz thanks for the explanation, to you and the other fellow. From an outsider's perspective, the AFL/League/Union dynamic in Australia is a lot more complex than I could have imagined
@@Dkouts Coach? I think the problems go much deeper than a coach or game style. You are focusing on the Wallabies, you need to focus on the state of the game, systems, pathways and talent that drive the Wallabies. You can replace a coach. You can train a new style. Much harder to fix the rest.
As an Irish man I can tell you Rugby is still way less popular or played than Hurling Gaelic Football or Soccer. Irish rugby has basically only really gotten popular in the last 20 years
Australia big issue is that it is relying on many islander players to get Australian citizenships and play for Australia due to lacking many Australian born players to add to the team.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Why? NRL doesn’t pay big money and is living dangerously; relying upon a contract with the nine network that is losing the network money, and state government handouts. Look at how they’re chucking money away hosting games in Las Vegas (buahahaha). Union players will earn similar money in Australia, but get the opportunity to earn more in Europe, live in Europe instead of the dull in comparison Sydney & Brisbane, and make all sorts of life contacts. Oh, and also have less chance do wrecking their bodies for it.
I'm sick of the argument that Australian Rugby Union has deteriorated because there are too many other more popular sports. The same is true in France, England, Argentina, etc. - but they are doing fine. It's declined because they've been badly coached for a long while now and a string of bad results has led to 'fans' ditching Union for League, where they are perceived to win more, as well as Ruby Australia's hopeless management.
That's probably the best synopsis I've seen in explaining the downfall of Australian rugby over the last 20 years. One thing I'll add is that rugby union in Australia has been the victim of gross mismanagement by it's governing body, Rugby Australia aswell as a vast disconnect between the professional elite and the grassroots of the game. I think we've turned a corner with Phil Waugh and Daniel Herbert in charge who are taking the code in the right direction. It'll take a while, but rugby will get it's mojo back in Australia, but we need to be patient. Honestly, I'd just be happy with a Bledisloe Cup at the moment, which we haven't won since 2002.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan hey goodship tell me more, grass root is where everything starts from....really looking forward to a great tour from the Wallabies to the British Isles, is it in November?
@@ClutchRugbyXV He's just done really well capitalising on the best Olympic campaign Australia have had by running pop up clinics in state schools and highlighting that it's not a private school sport. He also handed out medals to all the teams in the club finals in Brisbane and Sydney from the top teams to the most junior. He's even negotiated player transfers from NRL to Union with a vision for the RWC in 2027 and has got NRL teams who own their stadiums, like Manly, invested in the success of the Wallabies by hosting matches which is Unions biggest product in Australia (there is a national League team but isn't globally relevent). His "rising tide floats all boats" approach with NRL is good so far and better than just competing over talent. Even New Zealand Rugby have said they need Union in Australia to be healthy for them or Super Rugby dies and they're willing to work to make it happen and NRL can have a seat at the table.
I think maybe we are a bit fast to dismiss where Australia is at right now. Remember that twenty years ago, it was inconceivable that any Northern Hemisphere side other than England or France could come to the South and win a match, let alone a tour. We've since seen the emergence of Wales who at their best (2010-2019) could cause an upset and of course Ireland, who was outright #1 team in the world until recently. We've also seen other countries become powerhouses - Argentina has made the semis of the RWC three times, starting in 2007. Japan came from nowhere to beat the Boks and in the next world cup, made the quarter finals. Then there is the example of Fiji, who came within four points to reaching the semis in 2023. Even Georgia has taken numerous scalps and is knocking very hard at the door of true Tier 1 rugby. So while they definitely aren't in the glory days of old, the modern Aussie team have to contend with a far stronger field than ever before.
@@randomlyfactual1943 Super Rugby structurally just puts Union at a huge disadvantage compared with its competitors in Australia. So many issues, but in brief: - Limited access: The tournament has always been almost entirely on Pay TV, which even at its peak was only reaching 30% of households. With streaming, it’s fractured further. Back in the early days all the major footy codes had at least some of their games on one provider here, but now you have the AFL and NRL on the free to air channels and the main pay tv provider, whilst Union is purely just on a streaming service, so it’s more out of sight than ever. - Limited prime time content: By splitting Super Rugby across South Africa, Australia and New Zealand for the majority of its history, the game only ever had 2 days of prime time content, with the rest of it on in the middle of the night. Compare this to the NRL and AFL, which generally is running games from Thursday to Sunday (and for a period the NRL also had Monday Night Football too). - Local tribalism: by opting originally for effectively a state based team footprint, Australia denied itself the sort of cross town rivalries that are the bread and butter of competitions like the AFL and NRL. The rivalries have always been far more remote in Super Rugby and whilst there was a period when Tahs-Reds games had a genuine atmosphere to them, the rivalries lack the bitterness and emotion of those more local ones in the NRL and AFL. Then of course there’s the separate but related matter of how much World Rugby has undermined the spectacle of Rugby by turning every match into a never ending committee of officials who have the freedom to seemingly pull up random and often innocuous seeming events from several phases back for what looks and feels like selective punishments that break the flow of play and distort the contest - a problem not present in the NRL or AFL. Honestly, I just think that as things stand Rugby is doomed to fail in Australia. It’s competition is too well organised, too wealthy and frankly increasingly look like they have the better product.
Hey Guys, we noticed, a fair amount of League comments, this is not a League channel, but we can make a video about players who successfully moved from League to Union-- Sonny Bill, RWC winner Jason Robinson, ABC Reuben Thorne, a slew of Fijians Lote Tuqiri, Semi 'Trailer' , Suli Vunivalu, Koroibete, Brad Thorn and Sualii , ....who did I miss? meet me on community and lets thrash it out!!
Problem started before Cheika but he fermented and let the downfall grow. I had the privilege of staying in a hotel in Perth Western Australia (where I live) at the same time the Australian squad was there under Cheika. As a proud Kiwi I wore my All Blacks jersey as often as possible and at one point was in the elevator with Cheika alone. We had a brief chat and he was just an arrogant smartass runt. No humility at all. Same as the Aussie side; no reality or humility there. They play for themselves and they lose because of it. The Boks (deep respect for my South African brothers!) and the Blacks are the teams to watch for the next decade. Forget about Australia unless you want a comedy show.
I went to a small GPS school in QLD, which put up 30 teams every week back in my day. These days its 11 or 12 from the same school - which has many more students. I dare suggest it was the introduciton of soccer into the GPS system which saw the decline or rugby.
Rugby is not the most popular sport in South Africa, the Springboks might be the most successful sport national team in South Africa, however Football/Soccer remains the most popular sport.
Yes, Australian rugby union has fallen from the great heights of 25 years ago. Here's a parallel topic: how has Australia, with a lot of other sports ranked ahead of rugby union, been able to put together the 3rd best record in Rugby World Cups (2 wins, 2 2nds)? And the second best record against NZ (won 27% of tests, only bettered by South Africa's 38% )? What's wrong with England, France, Ireland, Wales...etc...?
Agreed! ….. I heard Clive Woodward the other day-saying when they won back in 03, he didn’t expect for England to follow up with a 20 year drought themselves! ps : we do have a video of the 03 England journey, please check it out🙏
the major reason that australian rugby fails to accomplish any meaningful results is because it is seen as an elitist sport played by the privileged upper classes. almost all white rugby players(not the coconuts) are the product of the university system, going on to high paid employment after their playing days. in an egalitarian society like australia, the majority would prefer to embrace sports like rugby league and victorian football which seem to represent the majority of the population more adequately.
which is crazy now that the latest Statistics are out for the AFL and only 29% of current AFL players went to Government schools with 69% coming from Independent/religious schools.
@@mattlyons5477 victorian footba[l is embraced by 'public' schools in victoria, wa, sa, tas, whereas in qld and nsw, rugby league is not. it would seem that the privileged graduates of 'public' schools are quite as capable of playing victorian football as their social inferiors.
What a load of rubbish! Rugby union is the original culturally diverse sport with the Ella brothers playing in the 80's and Willie O, Illy Tabua, George Gregan and Totou Kefu playing in the 90's. This was the same time when Nicky Winmar was being racially abused by Collingwood fans and he did his famous gesture when he lifted his guernsey up and pointed to his skin. In the 80's, Rugby league was pretty much an exclusively Anglo Australian sport with the odd exception. Now, rugby union is very mixed culturally with a lot of Pacific Islanders playing aswell.
As an Englishman I can honestly say I want to see the Aussies back up there. Aussie and English fans have always had a great relationship. England aren’t quite up there with NZ and SA but we’ve usually beat the Aussies over the last 10 years. We wanna see the Wallabies back up there.
hey @CF, was totally a syntax error, was supposed to be "are" not "aren't". And please keep watching. Have British and Irish Lions preview video 2025, and Wallabies Grand Slam '84, also a sort of preview of November Tour.
Ironically, many of AFL's greatest athletes (Ben Simmons, Josh Giddey, Dyson Daniels, Josh Green, Matthew Dellavedova, Joe Ingles etc. etc.) instead choose to pursue the NBA purely because it pays more
Thank you for your analysis. As an Australian it is refreshing to hear an outsiders perspective that is not just a pile on from opposition fans. I do agree with your points but i would like to add one. Rugby has always been a "private school boy" sport in Australia. Its culture, direction and even ticket availability is still controlled by those who are part of the "old boys club" . This tiny pool of playing, coaching and management of the sport has driven the success and popularity of the game to the fringes ( albeit, well heeled fringe) of Australian sporting interest. You cant beat the best when your talent pool consists of 5 or 6 elite private schools. RIP Australian rugby
Yes but it's a professional sport, an international sport, and something Ireland is good at. I'm guessing it's also popular with the richer Irish population.
@@gdes4063 the rugby players who play for the four professional teams are full time professionals and a lot of them are really well paid. I'm not making an argument about whether a player is permitted to be paid, I'm saying rugby can be a profession and career in Ireland. If you're going to have a professional career in another team sport you have to move to Britain or somewhere else.
@@gdes4063 there's no way. The average attendance is 3k which is what we get in England in the National League, which is the league below the football league, i.e fifth tier. None of the Republic of Ireland team plays for a team in Ireland. They all play professionally in Britain. Those League of Ireland players are semi pro.
League has minimal complexity and so its a path of least resistance for most looking to choose between the two codes. Also, the ARU/Rugby Australia not letting talented players play in France and the UK is really hurting us. That's where the best club teams, coaching, and new ideas about the game comes from. That decision has really cost and made us less talented and less developed in the modern game now.
Where you said the best clubs, coaching, and new ideas, I agree with that, but you and I might be in the minority. Because the argument is "which is better, northern or southern hemisphere?". Clutch doesn't necessarily think it's better, but it is different. And different will always challenge old ideas, or if you want to be fancy, pre-existing concepts. You gotta mighty fine point there! Peace.
Great video! I wouldn't have mentioned Ireland as a team that arent associated with other sports though, rugby is at very most only the 3rd most popular sport
@@goodshipkaraboudjan if your a Australian you have won one more than England, if you are a New Zealander you have won two more than England, not much to brag about there.
Donald Bradman once said "when a sport goes professional, it loses something". Rugby in Australia has always had to compete with League, Aussie Rules & later football. It's amazing that the Wallabies achieved what they did over the years. However, times have changed, and the almighty dollar wins in the end.
Rugby is absolutely not the overwhelmingly popular sport on Ireland. At best it's third behind Gaelic football and hurling, and realistically it's still behind soccer in terms of player population here...
Quade Cooper also made a good point too "Iron sharpens iron" referring to the lackluster domestic competition with the absence of the South Africans. I think another point missed is how there is an absence of international players within the local competition. The salary cap has a lot to do with it but economically they just aren't drawing the crowds to justify a higher salary cap too. I think this is where Australia Rugby naturally will sit for a long time. The other comment I heard that made sense was the comparison of the bureaucracy of English RU and Australian RU. Too much meddling from the sides by the RU bodies into the national team that drive the playing and coaching team apart at the seams. It becomes schoolboy rugby instead of a professional outfit.
Hopefully the axing of the Rebels bringing the teams down to 4 should help conserve and maintain talent, the Wallabies were better with just 3 or 4 teams IMO.
Rugby in Australia has been put on a shelf in a forgotton closet and left to die by the media.... I used to love watching Rugby but you have to pay to see it in Australia, for over 10years i haven't even heard someone talk about Rugby Union, like, nothing at all.
Australia was only strong in the 90s due to the Super League wars which led a lot of would-be league players to join union teams. Once league regained its strength, all of Australia talented rugby players returned to league. Many of the Wallabies today wouldn't even break into regional rugby league teams.
I (begrudgingly) admit NSW Blues would beat NSW Waratahs - 2 games, 1 each for both sets of rules, sadly the Maroons would beat the Reds ..... I think The Brumbies would give both teams a run for their money. I dont think its a permanent thing, its just a passing phase! Clutch is a Rugby Channel!
@@thomasrodwell563 Typical league bogan cluelessness. No. The super league war was not until 1996. The Wallabies ascended to one of the top international XV’s a decade earlier. And league has always poached Union talent. How did that Benjie guy, the supposed best half back in league, do at Union again?
what utter nonsense. South Africa and New Zealand do not have any other sports to concentrate on except rugby. This commentator has been smoking some strong stuff.
1) Failure to backup and get to the breakdown quickly 2) Rugby League offers more money 3) Northern hemisphere rules favour excessive scrum penalties 4) Failure to adapt to changes in the game 5) Refs feature too much in a game that was known for running without interference until the ball went into touch
its not just about the rugby , their pool of talent is shrinking, lack of tv deal, bad management, lack of viewers, the healthy state of league which is a much better watch than rugby etc etc. it just goes on and on.
There is some light at the end of the tunnel. Dan Herbert running things as so far showed improvement. At least he gets it as a player and decent businessman.
As an analysis of the top end of Test Rugby in Australia, I think this is a fairly good summary of why the Wallabies aren't where they were. However, as other(s) have pointed out, the periods of success Australia has enjoyed are completely anomalous compared to our history. A deeper analysis needs to look below pro level, and understand our development systems have had no significant change since the 90s - schools and club rugby are pretty much as they were - and our players don't get much more than a dozen top level professional games a year outside the Test window. The real issues are well below Test and pro level, to a system still rooted in amateurism and a refusal to change, unlike our competitor sports in rugby league and Australian rules.
The downfall of Australian rugby? Get over it it's 2024 Australia has a new coach they have won their first 2 internationals against Wales their next opponents are SA in the Rugby Championship here's hoping for an Australian resurgence
I’m an Australian rugby fan, can someone explain why super rugby teams can’t recruit players from other countries like other sports? It seems bizarre that this difference exists.
Rugby starts at the grassroots. Sadly rugby is only funded by rich private schools or the large footy clubs. Rugby union Australia has only been interested in paying the players at high level millions like the israel folau issue and david pococks sabatical. Here in New Zealand every school has a rugby team and every club has funding. If you want to get keep kids invested well you have to invest but sadly that hasnt been Rugby Australias priority and so the lack of talent has diminished substantial to better aired games like NRL and NFL. Total lake of faith of the game. Australia once had so much pride in the game now all you see are empty stadiums in the super rugby and club footy. Needs a big revolution
@@ClutchRugbyXV Exactly, Australia need more tournaments, school on school, state on state, and their own Australia cup. Build competiveness, build on pridde in which players want to bleed for that Gold jersey. Every kiwi kid and saffa grows up wanting to be an all black or a bok. Its a cult following. Aussie kids go no thanks, its sad really you cant say they have no talent.
@@MakingMoneyyy857 State on State sounds like 'State of Origin' , in a nice way👍.... We at Clutch are totally fans of Schools Rugby, an example is Fiji Schools Rugby draws almost bigger crowds than the Flying Fijians. and no, theres no way you can say no talent💪💪💪
Giteaus Law...yeah, there could have been mention of the refusing to pick players, if they are overseas.... Will Skelton came from the Top 14 to RWC 23, last month they brought Koroibete back from Japan, so yeah you got a point there mate.
@@ClutchRugbyXV it's such a ridiculous rule. We aren't the best country in the world anymore. We need to be picking the best players regardless of where they play, because other leagues are at a higher level than Australia and if those players are picked it can only improve Aus rugby. Imagine the socceroos only picking from the A-league or the Boomers picking only from the NBL. Pick the best players no matter where they are playing
Australian rugby fans have always been in complete denial about the popularity of their sport, it's a small Sport with a tiny talent pool. If it was as strong as rugby league they would be the dominant team in the world.
The arrogance of leaguies is just on another level. Its easy to chat a big game when no one else plays the sport and the entire code is propped up by pokies.
@@JayDDeeee I'm not talking about what sport is better, Rugby League is clearly massively stronger than Rugby Union in Australia, that is a fact. Australian football is massively stronger than both of them combined.
@chalkandcheese1868 league has always been bigger than union in Aus. No one has ever argued the opposite. Mate you'd win gold in a useless comments competition
@@JayDDeeee I think you're having a little trouble staying on point mate, I was just stating facts and you went off on your little anti league rant, read the comments carefully next time. Mate
All these comments about nobody in Australia giving a stuff about the Wallabies and rugby union are probably from people who don't remember the blanket media coverage and ticker tape parades when we won those two world cups. Says more about the character of Aussie sports fans than anything else.
Look at that backline - Gregan/Larkham/Horan/Herbert/Roff/Burke/Tune!! Any current player able to supplant any of them??? Feels like Aussie Rugby climbed the mountain in 2021 and then descended back into base camp!
Larkham was an absolutely nightmarish player. He played his best game ever against us in the world cup semi final of 1999. Very seldom have I seen so much grit from a fly-half, even after being targeted for vicious hits. Legend.
@@randomlyfactual1943 Larkham could receive the ball at flyhalf on the inside foot (or the wrong foot), I think Mark Ella did the same in the 80s....lead up to the show n go or quick/miss pass
@@ClutchRugbyXV Only correction I would make there is that Larkham didn't have a wrong foot 😆 Apart from the obvious GOAT candidates Wilko and Carter, Larkham is probably the best fly-half I've watched live.
@@dumanimjo609 only in the sense that the game was still poaching from the NRL in the first place. They’ve spent over 20 years blowing all their cash trying to win attention from the NRL by buying name players and it reached its most pig headed and stupid under McLennan, not Castle. People keep carrying on about the brief stint Castle had at RA, but McLennan’s tenure was the perfect encapsulation of why the game is dead - he was an out of touch talentless private school alum convinced of his own superiority who blew all the game’s money on Suaalii and then Eddie Jones whilst attacking the NRL at every turn, then refused to take any responsibility when it all blew up and the wallabies had their worst ever WC performance
Folau was very overhyped and one dimensional. His defence and positional play were terrible. Plus, he would look and play as a disinterested player throughout Super rugby knowing he was an automatic selection for the Wallabies. Egotistic too
@danieleyre8913 I would say 2003 was the curtain call for them. That being said, I love David Campase nonchalantly and super focused handling of the All Black's haka at World Cup semi 1991 by just ignoring them with a warm up
@@MarkL-we8uk Sounds to me like you have no clue. Wallabies were still strong in the 2007 World Cup. I still have fond memories of Paul Carozza being elbowed over the line by Richard Loe.
@@danieleyre8913 quarter final v England would suggest otherwise. Competitive and decent perhaps, however, no longer contenders for world's number 1 team
"...a country with such a rich rugby history.." is far from true. Australia has a rich rugby league history, not a rich rugby union history. Rugby is like a fifth string sport here. The great majority of Australians did not know there was a thing called the Rugby World Cup when Australia won it in 1991. In fact, it was an indictment on the standard of world rugby that its premier tournament was won by a country where rugby is such a minority sport.
@@salt1956 I don’t think you understand what he means by “rich rugby history”. Even though Rugby Union was never mainstream in Australia; it has still been played competitively and had a social network/community attached to it for about 150 years. It’s the same with how Cricket isn’t really that big & mainstream in NZ and the national teams sucks, but NZ definitely has a rich history of cricket dating back to settler times. Same with polo and yachting in NZ. As for Australia winning the World Cup in 1991: The sold out crowds at Ballymore and the SFS & Concord Oval in the years leading up to that prove that there was a large enough community of rugby union in Australia, even if it wasn’t relevant to Adelaide. Most of NSW and QLD could not name a player in an AFL grand final but does that mean it’s not competitive? Rugby Union was definitely competitive internationally in 1991, if you didn’t have such a chip on your shoulder you would have a sporting achievement Australians can actually be proud of.
@@tudorburchill8426 I’m from NZ and I don’t like Cricket (and I reckon the Black Caps are a joke). But yeah we’re far from only into rugby (Union). People here play a wide range of sports and a dozen have a competitive national competition.
@@3rdBestMJ if you watch the nrl, you will see how big of a fanbase the nz warriors have. they also have another team called south island kea, that are due to join the nrl and a stadium is currently being built for them in christchurch
@@madrikz.fj.679 The warriors are popular here but the actual sport isn't. Playing numbers at club level are dropping rapidly and most regions in NZ don't even have club competitions. The south island team is purely speculation LMAO the NRL are going with perth and png over it and also pretty fucking stupid to say the christchurch stadium is being built for a team that isn't even close to being confirmed. That stadium is for the crusaders and canterbury rugby.
Mate, all it takes is for the All Blacks to lose a match and fans lose their minds! A few losses and people would be disinterested as win/lose or draw, the team is never good enough
Biggest problem has got little to do with the actual rugby side of things. Management has just allowed the game to fade further and further into the background. They’ve done bugger all to market the game and what little stars we have left. It’s amazing that a sport that is seen to be elitist (at least here) and the domain of bankers and advertising executives could be so bad at both
There are a few reasons why Union has been on the decline in Australia. 1st is because Union is a sport only played at rich schools and they don't even try to grow talent at the grass roots level like the Kiwis do. 2nd reason is watchability, the only place to watch Union, wether Super Rugby or International matches is on Stan Sport, while AFL, NRL and Cricket are on Free TV or Fox Sports which is much easier to access. Union keeps insisting on being harder for Common folk to access so that's why it's popularity has been in a freefall the last decade
@@bigm6649 Typical Aussie league bogan ignorance. Rugby Union is the biggest sport in Wales and the sport of the white minority in South Africa. It’s a lot bigger than just two states of Australia.
Lol, countries like NZ and and South Africa are not interested in cricket and soccer. Homie, under Graeme Smith we were no.1 in all 3 formats of cricket. Bloody hell. NZ have been a top cricket nation for years now 😂
Saying that Rugby is the focus in Ireland is so far from the Truth, GAA and Soccer are far more popular for players and week to week fans. Ireland Rugby doesn't use this as an excuse and has built one of the best rugby structures I the World. Couple this with the format of AFL and NRL and the skill transfer is huge. So this saturation is only ever an excuse for Rugby Australia.
Complete rookie outsider take. Problems with rugby begin and end with super rugby. As has been said before rugby was behind a paywall and foxtel never got as popular in Australia as predicted meaning rugby was no longer seen or heard about by the vast majority of Australians. Also rugby only ever had a small passionate fan base coming from mainly the private schools. That would give them enough talent for 3teams NSW, Qld and ACT. Going to 5 killed the sport especially as Melbourne and WA had no talent of their own and so had to steal all their players from those 3 states. That meant all teams became weaker. It also meant that the second tier competition lost all their best players and experience. For example if a player was dropped from NSW instead of playing for Randwick for another 5 years they would go off to WA. Rugby needs to go back to a 3 state competition. Focus on keeping all the best talent and go from there.
Perth is full of South Africans who all played rugby in S AFrica and Zimbabwe. They tried to support the Western Force but the ARU stupidly deregistered them. At same most of the kids of the S African immigrants play AFL footy or soccer. Not many do Rugby. Even the NZers and Islanders in Perth in large numbers to work in the mines, meat industry or building have their kids more likely to play Rugby league. Then you have the situation of a new Rugby League team in Perth who will dominate Western Force who has returned but now without support.
@@ClutchRugbyXV Its been recommended now, so it sounds like its just a matter of being issued a licence. North Sydney Bears have been out of the competition for 20 years. Now they're being relocated in Perth. I reckon when they rock up they will get good crowds for the next five year and the Force and rugby will find it very hard to compete. So many people with goodwill wanted Rugby to prosper in WA, but Rugby Australia has messd it up.
@@BDub2024 Hey, BDub, whats goin' on....thanks for geting back, yeah I know the N Sydney Bears....and if remember correctly, Perth has been one of the fastest growing cities in Oz....was it not? do you think the town is big enough for two teams
@@ClutchRugbyXV Yes fast growing. At 2.3 million people currently. Force got dumped by ARU after not being supported adequately with developing a successful team. But they had loyal S African and NZ fans etc. Eventually Forrest's money was needed to back unprofitable ARU and he backed Force. Force came back in various forms eventually, but the product isn't good anymore with Super rugby and a lot of fans that wanted in good faith to back Rugby in Perth have walked away. Now NRL coming to town. I reckon they won't get the S Africans support, they may win NZ and England fans to the game. So should build support. Force and Aust Rugby I think are probably in the downward spiral. Not sure. I'd have to compare crowd sizes at all the cities. Saw Wallabies vs Springboks in Perth a few weeks ago. Even though not really a Rugby fan. Seriously there were probably 30k South African fans there. I reckon they had over 50% support easily.
Rugby Union is not a prominent sport in Aussie...I'm surprised their heyday lasted as long as it did. The current crop of players is undoubtedly the weakest in living memory...or at least it is for me in all my 64 years. There is not a single world class player in the whole of Aussie right now. Michael Hooper was the last....
Hey guys, two-fold question here. Do you agree with some commentators that Bok's Coach-Rassie, new look squad is disrespectful to Australian rugby (as some are saying)? Second question-what does Joe Schmidt need to do to or is the responsibility with the players to step up to win or least do better than the first test?
@@ClutchRugbyXV Interesting question bro. First off I think Ireland are doing alright and Joe Schmidt can sit back. You win some, you lose some, it’s a sport! Ireland under 18’s went through England so I think they doing all good 👍 Second: I’ve mentioned before that I live in Perth Western Australia. Nothing brings more joy to my heart than seeing the Wallabies get blown away by the Springboks! I mean peace to everyone and don’t want to start up trouble, but the Wallabies are just posers. Seeing them put in their place by the Boks (again as a Kiwi I hold the Boks in high regard, much respect to them) is s***s and giggles 😂 just IMHO, but you cannot be disrespecting a team (as you have stated, Boks team is disrespectful to Aussies) when you giving them a beating. Sure; the Pumas came over the Blacks and I’m still crying (LMAO just joking, Argentina played well and deserve the W!) but Australia was demolished by the Boks on their soil. I been a Kiwi living in Australia long enough to like that whenever the Aussies lose at something they will blame it on anything except the fact they didn’t have the ballsack to go through the other team! Hope that was a half assed answer man! Just IMHO as well, no offence meant to anyone, let’s all just grab a couple pints and watch some Rugby Union 👍💪 I’ll shout the first round 🍻 👍
The Bok squad is comprised of 33 players considered good enough to earn a Bok cap. Disrespect doesn’t come into it. As to what Schmidt can do: as long as the elitist old-school-tie plonkers remain in charge, he’s on a hiding to nothing. If things change at the top, I have every faith that the Wallabies can bounce back.
@@ClutchRugbyXV Watching the game now and just saw Los Pumas cross the line. Good on them. They are done for this game but they earned that try. If I came say one thing: there are two MF’ing hardass defence lines! Pumas and Blacks, I’d prefer to run into a brick wall! Pumas have some big brothers in defence and the score doesn’t reflect that. Welcome to sunny New Zealand (🤣🤣🤣) and the ball is slippery so there’s some messy rugby, but those Argentinian’s deserve a pile tonne of respect. GG guys, ❤️ this game 👍🤘💪 ps: now we get to watch the Wallabies and Springboks 🥰 I love my life 😂 pps: in lovely wintery belting down rain Perth where I live as well 🤣
THE FACTS…. Results prove Wallabies are a TIER 2 International team. Todays Wallabies do not have the skills, fitness, knowledge, wisdom or ability to compete against TIER ONE TEAMS. Why? Not one current Wallaby would be picked in a World 15…. Or a World second 15…. Or a World third 15…. Australian Rugby has completed destroyed the club and country club systems through lack of financial support. The relentless use of overseas born players to fill Wallaby places has failed miserably! Sadly the worst is yet to come!
TV Money is key to both NRL and AFL. Union has none of that money. League has Union in a strangle hold and won't let go,,, and rightly so. They (union) are Leagues competitors. Why would the NRL take their foot off Union? Does the RFU not wield the same power over TV money in England? Would the RFU assist English super league? of course they wouldn't!! NO ONE watches club rugby anywhere in the world, it's ratings are pathetic in all countries (yes, even SA and NZ). Union relies solely on international matches. The oppose is true for league, strong in club land but poor internationally. Personally, I'd love both sports to merge but that will never happen.
My theory (which is not profound ) is Aus had a point of difference with players from a rugby league background: Ella brothers, campese, Andrew walker, giteau, Beale, Folau. In a sort of suicide wish, waspy/ Ralph Lauren wearing administrators have gotten the rugby league out of rugby in Aus (getting rid of Folau was there last hurdle) and now it’s neither competitive or entertaining and the lions tour will be fkn cringey.
No mate, the rest of the world just caught up. The previous decade the world caught to scotland, wales, england and france. This decade began with you australia, and all blacks, boks and ireland you're next. Ab 30, los pumas 38
Welp, apparently the public schools are churning out more league players than the private schools in union. But anyways, previous RA board being ambitious with team expansion and wokery says it all about the Wallabies fall from grace beyond the late 1990s and early 2000s.
@@danieleyre8913 I'm mostly talking about RA here but fair point on league, especially with the Manly "rainbow jerseys" recently like what were the "seagles" thinking by pandering to pride month?
@@Samizouza Pretty much all sport has gone woke. Because the athletes have. I’m not enamoured with it myself. But I don’t think it’s worth getting too bothered about either.
Thanks for this interesting watch. I wasn't quite sure perhaps if the analysis addressed the known structural issues at management level in Australian rugby union? Other commentators place significant focus on this as being a key reason why rugby is considered to be in genuine difficulty in Australia (for example Matt Williams, Planet Rugby, 9 August 2024). Just to assess a point raised in relation to Ireland made in the segment of the video addressing 'Competition' at 3:50; which states that "rugby union is the overwhelming sport preferred by the populace". While that may be true in relation to South Africa and New Zealand, in Ireland this statement is not at all correct. The most popular team ball sports in Ireland are by some distance Gaelic football (the first national game run by the Gaelic Athletic Association, the 'GAA'), soccer and hurling (the second national game run by the GAA). Rugby, while popular and well-supported in Ireland, is played by a small fraction of the numbers playing Gaelic football and hurling, at both elite and more junior levels. Gaelic games in Ireland are an integral aspect of the country's national identity; the island of Ireland has roughly 6 million inhabitants, with GAA membership currently being at around c.800,000. This should be taken into account when comparing a country such as Australia with Ireland in terms of rugby success, both countries are multi-sports. With Ireland's far smaller national population, of which only a very small subset is involved in the playing of rugby union, this makes Ireland's consistent strength near the top of professional country and club rugby all the more notable.
@smcc9348 Kind Greetings Good Fellow, much apologies, I would assure you most sincerely that this was a matter of editorial mis-step and in no way purposeful. Actually in my town (N.America) we do have a GAA league, if i can call it that. Thank You for taking the high road in the way you highlighted.
The first thing you notice when comparing an NRL match with Super Rugby or even an international game is the lack of athleticism of the union team. Many of them look chubby or even fat which smacks of not taking themselves seriously as a professional. Moreover, they seem to lack the basics like being able to tackle. The number of missed tackles in union is just embarrassing. Finally, as a spectator it’s just too difficult a lot of the time to understand what the calls are and why. League is simpler and allows the crowd to know what’s going on and therefore to put pressure on the refs to make the right call. With union most of the time the crowd just has to take the ref’s word for it when a penalty is called because no one can actually see what’s going on.
@@mattyj4852 If audiences don’t know what’s going on in Union then they simply don’t know the rules. Because they never played rugby themselves. I guess league can appeal to couch potatoes who never actually played the game. As for athleticism, thanks for confirming that you don’t actually watch Union. Remind me how that Ben-gee guy did at Union again?
Money is the main cause of the collapse of rugby in Australia and this year and in New Zealand. The legendary "mighty All Blacks" died when Ian Foster took over as head coach of the All Blacks. Soon, beating the All Blacks will no longer be a performance, a dream come true. The rest are details.
How did you die? You made the RWC last year! 😂😂😂 never happy. You lose a few games, yet still aren't happy. Wow... But yes, the All Blacks sold out to AiG and insurance.
What some wont accept and acknowledge is that Rugby Australia (Union Management) is hopelessly left in their ideology and have been pushing their foolish ideas, which infected everything downstream. Case in point, the firing of Israel Folou for daring to publicly state what he believes as a Christian on social media. Tolerance for everyone except Christians in Australia corporate ESG. Israel was an absolute phenomenal player, but in Australia, in the last 10 years, politics is more important than playing good rugby. This is btw, what the problem was with South African rugby when it was playing so poorly during the late 2000's to mid 2010's. When DEI hire Alistair completely messed up the DNA of SA rugby and then had to later move on, with Rassie taking over and we all know what happened then. Im am FOR natural integration and people having their own INDIVIDUAL thoughts and beliefs, without politics infecting everything like a cancer. Currently Rugby Australia is that pathetic posterboy for post modern left ideology and the results speak for itself.
@@heinrichbosch630 Since when is accepting intolerance and bigotry “tolerating Christian belief”?! Since when has homophobia had anything to do with Christianity? Not a single Christian I know had a problem with him being reprimanded.
@danieleyre8913 Many so called 'Christians' in Australia do not even know their own scriptures or live according to it faithfully. They are fools masquerading under the banner but useless in the actual mission that is to call sinners to repentance via the gospel of Jesus Christ. Do I need to give you a contextual lesson regarding this command from Jesus with multiple verses as proof from the old and new Testament? Australia as a whole is demonstrably full of left wing bias from government to schools to corporate work space. It is not a surprise that they treated Folou so poorly. My comment simply explained the blatant hypocrisy of the Autralian public at large and many corporate companies. If you are so 'tolerant' of other's beliefs then why can I not believe homosexuals and transgender people are living in sin and if they don't repent will go to hell? Remember 'tolerance' is king in the secular view so actually live it. And PS. Isn't it interesting that Rugby Australia's largest sponsor at the time of the sacking was Quantas with an openly homosexual CEO. What is that probability that Joyce didn't have a 'say' I the 'tolerant' firing of Folou. Your pathetic reasoning falls on deaf ears. First stop being a hypocrite and then others like me will listen more.
@danieleyre8913 Many so called 'Christians' in Australia do not even know their own scriptures or live according to it faithfully. They are fools masquerading under the banner but useless in the actual mission that is to call sinners to repentance via the gospel of Jesus Christ. Do I need to give you a contextual lesson regarding this command from Jesus with multiple verses as proof from the old and new Testament? Australia as a whole is demonstrably full of left wing bias from government to schools to corporate work space. It is not a surprise that they treated Folou so poorly. My comment simply explained the blatant hypocrisy of the Autralian public at large and many corporate companies. If you are so 'tolerant' of other's beliefs then why can I not believe homosexuals and transgender people are living in sin and if they don't repent will go to hell? Remember 'tolerance' is king in the secular view so actually live it. And PS. Isn't it interesting that Rugby Australia's largest sponsor at the time of the sacking was Quantas with an openly homosexual CEO. What is that probability that Joyce didn't have a 'say' I the 'tolerant' firing of Folou. Your pathetic reasoning falls on deaf ears. First stop being a hypocrite and then others like me will listen more.
Hey Guys, what will Joe Scmidt next game plan be, Koroibete wasn't enough of a shore up game 1....plus now they dont have home ground advantage....either way I totally feel they are going to do the sweep on the end of year tour and emulate the #GrandSlam tour of that great 80's team-( Joe does have an insiders veiw of the British Isles, does he not?)
Inaccurate about Irelands populous having primary interest in Rugby Union. Ireland play GAA, Gaelic football and hurling. After that is soccer. Golf is popular also. Rugby is at best 4th team sport but over the last 20 years is slowly becoming more popular. League is the difference maker in Australia.
Why? Because Rugby Union in Australia sold out to Rupert Murdoch.
No free to air TV = zero interest in Rugby for most Aussies = a slow and lingering death
100% no Union on free to air TV killed it, all the best talent and athletic freaks want to play AFL or League because it is what they see and are exposed to at a young age.
I was shouted down at bbqs and other social gatherings for decrying the lockup of the game behind a paywall. Absolute suicide. Rugby is dead in Australia. Well zombie like.
Yep that was why I clicked on this to write the same! I notice the author of the video didnt 'like' this comment lol And the Proof is and will be look at V8 Supercars drop off since doing the same.
This statement is correct and it was made worse by the commentating. For years the commentators were constantly complaining about the laws, the referees and how the game should be different. It was made more disappointing by the fact that their law interpretations and complaints about the referees were quite often factually incorrect. The reason I mention this is that many people like myself (complete rugby fanatic) started to switch channels away from union to league and AFL as the constant incorrect whining was getting too much. The fact is that if parents like myself are switching the TV channel over to other sports then there is no chance that my children will pick it up as a sport. What's happening now is a product of those failures over the past 10-15 years.
@@Yobobacca is AFL really a threat to poaching rugby talent? rugby players come from rugby states, not australian football (AFL) states
@4:10 ‘Ireland only play rugby’, rugby is not even in the top 3 participation sports in Ireland, do some research
Gaelic games and soccer are far bigger in terms of participation numbers.
Okay but drinking doesn't count as a sport, fam
It was a ridiculous argument all round. As you say soccer, Gaelic football and hurling are more popular in Ireland. In SA and NZ rugby might be the more popular sport but it’s not like people aren’t drawn to sports like cricket and soccer as well. And then also the argument is Australia are bad because of their attention to other sports then explain England, France and Argentina.
@@HA-be5xkI think the issue is that Australia has also an strong root for Rugby League or others variations of rugby. In SA, Argentina, France or England, rugby competes with soccer but they not compete in terms of rugby players wanting to play soccer for more money and fame.
@@TheLastAngryMan01 yes but those are not professional sports. In Ireland a talented sportsman can make a career in rugby and represent his country.
The best thing to happen to Australian Rugby was the first World Cup win. It made professionals out of them, they had to money concentrate on Rugby full time. The worst thing was the money, they stopped looking within and thought they could win by buying league players, which meant they had to change the way they played the game.
Rugby Australia took a shit all over junior rugby and focused solely on rich elitist private schools who surprise surprise aren’t where the best junior talent is.
Yes, grassroots have been neglected
Rugby Union has always been for elite private school kids, that's how League was created in the first place, by the lower class
@@MentokTheMindTaker No it wasn't lmao
Even the best kids from private schools are leaving.
Lots of asian and indian boys are now going to the private schools for the status and the education - not to play rugby. There’s just not enough kids playing rugby to get a decent senior team. How many play rugby outside of Qld, NSW and ACT?
"South Africa and New Zealand are not known for their involvement in other sports such as cricket and football". I'm afraid I have to disagree.
He's definitely wrong about South Africa as Football is the most popular sport here, we're African after all.
Horrible research.
New Zealand is far from all about Rugby Union. We play a lot of different sports in local competitions. Netball, hockey, basketball, tennis, cricket, softball, football/soccer, rugby league, golf, rowing, yachting, etc.
This uploader is ridiculously ignorant.
As a South African, i miss our local clubs competing in the Super Rugby series.
I hear ya.....
true that
I hate playing in the URC...
Rugby Union is like the 7th most popular sport in Australia.
Two Rugby world cups is pretty good!
Awesome mate! If it's really the 7th most popular sport than two is doubly awesome.
I'm sure there's some stats on the exact breakdown, however anecdotally I would break it down like this. In Queensland and NSW, rugby league was always more popular than union, but I the last 10-20 years that gap has increased tenfold.
Australian Rules football dominates all in the southern/western states, but I would say it is well ahead of rugby union in Queensland/NSW currently too, which would have been an absurd thing to claim in the 20th century.
Everything else is much less regional. Nationwide in audience and/or participation Cricket, Soccer, Basketball, Netball, Tennis, Golf have more engagement. Motorsports if you count that would beat rugby union also.
As others have said the player pool and active fanbase is almost exclusively expatriates from rugby playing nations and elite private school alumni (primarily Queensland and NSW private schools also).
There is no way to fix this really. If only the world would realise that rugby league is clearly the superior variant 😅
@@kwig3520 Yeah funny joke. League blows inherently and will never go anywhere beyond 2 states of Australia. It only ever took off there thanks to poker machines in clubrooms.
A lot of Australia’s Union player base always came from rural Queensland and still does.
Mate I’ll tell you this now. Us Aussies winning 2 world cups and being a competitive side is an absolutely anomaly. The reason we had a good run is because Rugby League in Australia in the 90s were going through a civil war. Half the teams were playing in the ARL and the other half were playing in the Super League. Eventually they both merged to create what we have today, the NRL. We are only just feeling the consequences of that anomaly from the 90s now, we were never good at union. Union thrived when League was at war.
Mate, that is some pretty telling "explanation" , any ideas on what ARU needs to do to fix things up.
What a load of bullocks mate. As a Kiwi, I HATE the Wallabies. Even more so after the Israel Folau vs LGBTQP gender twats saga. But to say that Australia was never good at Rugby tells me you were watching with your eyes closed or that you never really watched at all. That's a BS take. And trust me when I say, I absolutely HATE the Wallabies with every inch of my body. Especially after going political. I don't pity them one bit I do know that what you said was a lie. Many Greats of the game are Australian & from those eras where they won the Web Ellis x2
NRL in the nineties boasted the likes of Big Mals Raiders, Ricky Stuart, Daley, krazeee State of Origins, Broncos Langer and Co. , The King was still playing, i think, The Chief and Spud bad blood, who can forget Benny Elias.....
@@ImCrabman_ WTF happened to my comment? Man, to hell with CZcams & this shadow banning of comments BS
It has absolutely nothing to do with rugby league
When 95% of Australians wouldn't know a single wallabies player, or could name them, you know your code of sport has serious problems!!
The wallabies and rugby union in Australia is fast becoming irrelevant in the Australian sporting landscape, and it's a national/ international side no one cares, or is interested in following anymore!!
that’s s rather sad commentary knowing how much Wallabies rugby impacts the world scene!
@@arieldarak4715not anymore, union is now the fourth ranked sporting code in Australia behind AFL,NRL,and soccer!!
@@arieldarak4715They haven’t made any impact in over a decade. You must live in the past.
As somebody from Australia who's graduated High school recently, I can say that Rugby Union is an exclusive WASP sport, played by elite Private school boys. Ironically the best young players are Pacific Islander's but because of their socio-economic background they can't meet the financial requirements to play the sport. It's a total disconnect in this country.
You’ve absolutely nailed it bro. This country doesn’t care for unions elitism.
Yes League is where most of the talented young players end up in Australia so Australian Rugby is always going to struggle... Especially considering NZ And SA have many of their talented athletes playing rugby!
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And all the kiwis and SA that live there lol
In Ireland rugby is our 4th sport Football
Gaelic Football
Hurling then Rugby.
Aussies always had a winning mindset. Just needs to be rediscovered.
yup, the Aussies just need a little spark, to kick start their comeback....is it Mr Schmidt or a particular player, I think Rob Valetini can be the guy!
the Irish team is full of Kiwis, Saffas and other nationalities. Just like Scotland. Still cant get past the 1/4 finals of a world cup
@gerainthopkins7576 Get out of yer Ma's boxroom will ya? Get some fresh air.
Same as in Australia. AFL, Rugby League, soccer and Rugby Union. In Sydney and Brisbane the AFL is also making big inroads into the middle and upper class set. I reckon its hurting the numbers playing and supporting Rugby. Both cities remain Rugby League heartland. Also with Rugby League having access to poker machines they can pay big money for players. Only Syd and Brisb develop rugby players now.
Australia would be an absolute rugby force if they didn't lose talent, fans, finances to both the AFL and NRL codes.
Additionally, the code is heavily mismanaged and has been for decades with inept ARU leadership that have no rugby knowledge/ experience commanding over foreign coaches who struggle to understand the Australian rugby set up.
Schmidt being an exception.
A lot of talent also goes missing overseas to european/ japanese clubs.
As per your last sentence, Rassie Erasmus delivered the blueprint for that.
His world cup winning sides have taken talent from across the globe and concentrated it into a singular, demonic force.
Alan Jones was the best coach, pants down, um, I mean, hands down.
need to review the Giteau law
I can tell you in two words what has killed rugby union in Australia. Super rugby.
How come?
I would say these two words: Raylene Castle.
@SaffaGains an international professional club competition, where it isn't exactly easy or cheap to go and watch your team play away games or even local derbies, atleast for the Australian clubs. And that's is even before you can talk about what the South Africans teams played, any Australian or NZ team playing over there. If I wanted to watch a game I would have to stay up all night and morning. That isn't very easy to do when people have school and work.
Example. Let's say I am a reds supporter, and the reds are playing the Tahs in Sydeny, or the Blues in Auckland. Isn't easy for me to support my teams in person. Compare that to league and AFL who play in a domestic professional competition. Roosters play Rabbits, I can go to that game cheap and easy. Geelong play Demons, I can go to that game cheap and easy.
Just makes sense to have a domestic professional competition.
@Fuzcapp definitely did not help the situation but she never should have been in the role in the first place. Blame should go to the people who hired her.
Nah - two words: Sydney elitism!
It all started in 03 with the arrogance of then CEO John O’Neill. When after losing the final came out openly and stated union would be the dominant code. So they started signing some of the NRLs better players. Problem it had the opposite effect. While union signed a few top liners. NRL clubs went on a signing spree. NRL clubs signed up the best junior talent in the country. Since then the NRL has gone gang busters with huge TV deals and sponsorships. Where as union has gone almost bankrupt.
I think not. It’s not as if NRL raids private schools and drags young Union players out
A bit of a correction for your comment about South Africa not having competing sports, although your point still stands.
Technically soccer is much bigger than rugby in South Africa by number of players and fans. Cricket is seen as the summer time sport equivalent of what was traditionally autumn-winter time rugby in the past.
But yes, rugby league has repeatedly failed to take off in South Africa. So the big bulky players all go to Union.
Australia suffers from being divided that way as you state.
There is no real division with Union and League in Australia, league has 95% of the interest and will take all the best young talents of both sports as well, the only divide is the east coast and the rest between League and AFL, which is roughly a 50/50 split population wise.
Rugby union is absolutely not the overwhelming sport preferred by the populace in Ireland.
It is extremely niche to the general public, Gaelic football is by far the most popular, followed by hurling and then football, with rugby down the ranks as the 4th most popular sport in Ireland.
It's the same in Australia, the Wallabies can fill a stadium but at a professional level Union is the fourth winter sport.
You're right it isn't the overwhelming sport but saying it is "extremely niche" is a huge overstatement. Especially in recent years I can say that rugby here has grown in the national psyche. Most households were following the world cup last year and the recent 6 nations have been big all over the country
Which makes the achievements of their team all the more impressive!
@@davidbarnett3821and yet another excuse to hang their hat on when they choke at the World Cup.
@@St_AngusYoung Ancient sports, that's what happens when you're from a true culture.
Completely untrue to say that rugby is the most favoured sport by the Irish populace. There are 3 ball sports that are more popular than rugby in Ireland.
From what Aussie friends have told me. Rugby union is now totally behind a paywall, it's more expensive to join for kids than Aussie rules or Rugby League. If kids don't see it they aren't going to get inspired to play it.
Not totally. The Wallabies games are free to air and we get a Saturday night Super Rugby game free to air aswell, but for many years Super Rugby was for paid subscriptions only and this definitely contributed to rugby's demise in Australia
@@davidbarnett3821still, it is very difficult to even know a match is on. Little to no advertising, and even then, the match is buried on Gem or Go, behind a B grade movie on Channel 9 HD.
Exactly, it's even made worse the stigma that it's an "upper class" sport only played in private schools and followed by the well heeled. NRL and AFL will always pull more views these days though and the TV networks know it.
I was an Australian sportswriter back in the days when magazines were still viable in the early 2000s. Two times we put Wallabies "stars" on the front cover. Those were our worst-selling issues ever, and this was in the days when the Wallabies were good. The Wallabies have tiny niches of support here and there but the sport is not mainstream in Australia and apart from very brief moments when it penetrated the national consciousness, it never really has been. In the rugby season, it's all about Aussie rules footy (AFL) and rugby league (NRL). No regular person can name a rugby (union) player, no one watches rugby union and no one cares
I wouldn't say no one cares given the Wallabies can still sell out a stadium but yes, it's a dwindling market.
@anthonysharwood1962 hey, howzit goin', this is ClutchRugby my address is on the front page, do you wanna shoot me your email address🙏
@@ClutchRugbyXV Prefer not to but you can google my name and see I am legit so you can use anything I said above
NZ and South Africa don't concentrate on cricket. Whaaaat?!?
I’m from NZ (and I don’t like cricket). And I think this uploader must have a VERY strange view of the world if he thinks that we even “focus” on rugby let alone solely.
Rugby is very popular here, both to play and watch, has mainstream popularity, and has been for a long time. And our national team has a long history of being extremely successful. It’s to the point of being tied-in with the culture.
But we don’t “focus” on rugby (whatever he imagines that is and however we’re supposed to do that). Plenty of other sports are popular here and have a credible national competition. Netball, hockey, basketball, Soccer, league, golf, whatever. A lot of people here aren’t into rugby at all, and we’re mostly fine with that.
The strange ideas these Brits get…
As a Springbok fan, it is sad to see Ozzie Rugby Union struggle like this!
Under Rennie, I thought the Ozzies were playing good old Ozzie rugby again!
That year RC was the best, everyone won 1 lost 1, except Australia unluckily just lost to the All Blacks!
Even the EOTY Rennie took a lot of unknowns up to the Northern Hemisphere and OZ played so very well!
Then Rennie was dropped for Eddie Jones, which turned out to be a disaster!
Yes, they have Schmidt now but I feel Ozzie lost a chance with Rennie to start playing great Ozzie footy again!
Ozzie is a musician who played in Black Sabbath. Aussie is a person and Australia is a country. Nomenclature is important.
Yes, you're right. Eddie Jones was an unmitigated disaster. I could never understand that appointment because he was the Wallabies coach previously with very poor results(in the early 2000s) Hopefully Joe Schmidt will take us in the right direction
I'm from the AFL side of the country and I can say one thing. people here wouldn't even know if the wallabies are playing. Of course there are a few fans and a lot people from NSW and QLD that would be interested in it. But generally speaking it's not a topic of conversation amongst people. it doesn't even compute.
Why do you think that is, though? I mean, I get that some sports are more popular, but I would imagine that if you woke up tomorrow and you guys were suddenly the best basketball team on earth, your populace would at least go watch it?
@@randomlyfactual1943 The best way to describe the AFL states - and ESPECIALLY Victoria - is “intentionally ignorant” of other forms of football. It’s as though it offends them that there are forms of football not AFL. You see it in how they just refuse to engage with the fact that there are two forms of Rugby Football, despite the fact that State of Origin is nationally always among the top rated sporting events every year and the Melbourne Storm are actually one of the most successful and best run franchises across any sport here. This is because AFL is itself more like a chauvinistically Victorian game - it’s almost like a sub nationalist movement, unlike the two Rugby codes which are repesentative more of class movements, with League being a working person’s movement and Union sadly being built on the snobbery of private school identities.
@@DeftPolVery useful explanation to an outsider, thanks. I find that so bizarre, though. I mean, you guys aren't like that with other sports, right? Cricketing achievements, as far as I'm aware, is celebrated all across Australia. Likewise your barnstorming Olympic performance this year.
Why this animosity when the ball becomes oval?!
@@randomlyfactual1943 a bit of a bandwagon sort of situation, yes. But people wouldn't follow a league. If you walk into a random pub in the muddle of the rugby world cup. You wouldn't see heaps of people gathering to watc h the game.
Some would watch because it happens to be broadcasting... you've got to adk people to change the channel as most would unaware of the game.there is a larger awareness of the fifa world cup than the rugby world cup in this state for instance
@@Louieinoz thanks for the explanation, to you and the other fellow. From an outsider's perspective, the AFL/League/Union dynamic in Australia is a lot more complex than I could have imagined
You left out management, or should I say 'mis-management'.
Who do you think the worst coach has been when it comes to this for the wallabies?
@@Dkouts Coach? I think the problems go much deeper than a coach or game style. You are focusing on the Wallabies, you need to focus on the state of the game, systems, pathways and talent that drive the Wallabies. You can replace a coach. You can train a new style. Much harder to fix the rest.
fun fact, South Africa has a 50%-tournament win rate of all Rugby World Cups which it participated in.
As an Irish man I can tell you Rugby is still way less popular or played than Hurling Gaelic Football or Soccer. Irish rugby has basically only really gotten popular in the last 20 years
*noted
Australia big issue is that it is relying on many islander players to get Australian citizenships and play for Australia due to lacking many Australian born players to add to the team.
If you're Australian born and talented you'd be mad to pick Super Rugby over a NRL contract.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Why?
NRL doesn’t pay big money and is living dangerously; relying upon a contract with the nine network that is losing the network money, and state government handouts. Look at how they’re chucking money away hosting games in Las Vegas (buahahaha).
Union players will earn similar money in Australia, but get the opportunity to earn more in Europe, live in Europe instead of the dull in comparison Sydney & Brisbane, and make all sorts of life contacts. Oh, and also have less chance do wrecking their bodies for it.
I'm sick of the argument that Australian Rugby Union has deteriorated because there are too many other more popular sports. The same is true in France, England, Argentina, etc. - but they are doing fine. It's declined because they've been badly coached for a long while now and a string of bad results has led to 'fans' ditching Union for League, where they are perceived to win more, as well as Ruby Australia's hopeless management.
yeah, I can see the overuse of that particular thought
@@saundyuk The problem with Australian Union goes back to maladministration from its heads. Go back to John O’Neill.
That's probably the best synopsis I've seen in explaining the downfall of Australian rugby over the last 20 years. One thing I'll add is that rugby union in Australia has been the victim of gross mismanagement by it's governing body, Rugby Australia aswell as a vast disconnect between the professional elite and the grassroots of the game. I think we've turned a corner with Phil Waugh and Daniel Herbert in charge who are taking the code in the right direction. It'll take a while, but rugby will get it's mojo back in Australia, but we need to be patient. Honestly, I'd just be happy with a Bledisloe Cup at the moment, which we haven't won since 2002.
Here's to your next Bledisloe🏆
Herbert was a great choice. So far what he has done is good indication that he cares about the sport at a grass root level.
Bledisloe Cup is a big deal, and yeah patience is a huge factor, les go 'Straya
@@goodshipkaraboudjan hey goodship tell me more, grass root is where everything starts from....really looking forward to a great tour from the Wallabies to the British Isles, is it in November?
@@ClutchRugbyXV He's just done really well capitalising on the best Olympic campaign Australia have had by running pop up clinics in state schools and highlighting that it's not a private school sport. He also handed out medals to all the teams in the club finals in Brisbane and Sydney from the top teams to the most junior.
He's even negotiated player transfers from NRL to Union with a vision for the RWC in 2027 and has got NRL teams who own their stadiums, like Manly, invested in the success of the Wallabies by hosting matches which is Unions biggest product in Australia (there is a national League team but isn't globally relevent).
His "rising tide floats all boats" approach with NRL is good so far and better than just competing over talent. Even New Zealand Rugby have said they need Union in Australia to be healthy for them or Super Rugby dies and they're willing to work to make it happen and NRL can have a seat at the table.
I think maybe we are a bit fast to dismiss where Australia is at right now. Remember that twenty years ago, it was inconceivable that any Northern Hemisphere side other than England or France could come to the South and win a match, let alone a tour. We've since seen the emergence of Wales who at their best (2010-2019) could cause an upset and of course Ireland, who was outright #1 team in the world until recently.
We've also seen other countries become powerhouses - Argentina has made the semis of the RWC three times, starting in 2007. Japan came from nowhere to beat the Boks and in the next world cup, made the quarter finals. Then there is the example of Fiji, who came within four points to reaching the semis in 2023. Even Georgia has taken numerous scalps and is knocking very hard at the door of true Tier 1 rugby.
So while they definitely aren't in the glory days of old, the modern Aussie team have to contend with a far stronger field than ever before.
@@randomlyfactual1943 Super Rugby structurally just puts Union at a huge disadvantage compared with its competitors in Australia. So many issues, but in brief:
- Limited access: The tournament has always been almost entirely on Pay TV, which even at its peak was only reaching 30% of households. With streaming, it’s fractured further. Back in the early days all the major footy codes had at least some of their games on one provider here, but now you have the AFL and NRL on the free to air channels and the main pay tv provider, whilst Union is purely just on a streaming service, so it’s more out of sight than ever.
- Limited prime time content: By splitting Super Rugby across South Africa, Australia and New Zealand for the majority of its history, the game only ever had 2 days of prime time content, with the rest of it on in the middle of the night. Compare this to the NRL and AFL, which generally is running games from Thursday to Sunday (and for a period the NRL also had Monday Night Football too).
- Local tribalism: by opting originally for effectively a state based team footprint, Australia denied itself the sort of cross town rivalries that are the bread and butter of competitions like the AFL and NRL. The rivalries have always been far more remote in Super Rugby and whilst there was a period when Tahs-Reds games had a genuine atmosphere to them, the rivalries lack the bitterness and emotion of those more local ones in the NRL and AFL.
Then of course there’s the separate but related matter of how much World Rugby has undermined the spectacle of Rugby by turning every match into a never ending committee of officials who have the freedom to seemingly pull up random and often innocuous seeming events from several phases back for what looks and feels like selective punishments that break the flow of play and distort the contest - a problem not present in the NRL or AFL.
Honestly, I just think that as things stand Rugby is doomed to fail in Australia. It’s competition is too well organised, too wealthy and frankly increasingly look like they have the better product.
The Aus and NZ culture is changing... woke women took ove!
Rupert Murdoch isn't woke nor a woman.
Mate you wouldn't know what woke is.
Take your pronouns and go play board game...
Fact is both of these nations are too good in other sporting games like cricket too.... they even share same level as in Rugby
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Problem started before Cheika but he fermented and let the downfall grow.
I had the privilege of staying in a hotel in Perth Western Australia (where I live) at the same time the Australian squad was there under Cheika. As a proud Kiwi I wore my All Blacks jersey as often as possible and at one point was in the elevator with Cheika alone. We had a brief chat and he was just an arrogant smartass runt. No humility at all. Same as the Aussie side; no reality or humility there. They play for themselves and they lose because of it. The Boks (deep respect for my South African brothers!) and the Blacks are the teams to watch for the next decade. Forget about Australia unless you want a comedy show.
@@TheCaptain001 Hey Perth, Big Welcome
@@ClutchRugbyXV Cheers brother 👍
@@TheCaptain001 You too Brother👍
I went to a small GPS school in QLD, which put up 30 teams every week back in my day. These days its 11 or 12 from the same school - which has many more students.
I dare suggest it was the introduciton of soccer into the GPS system which saw the decline or rugby.
Rugby is not the most popular sport in South Africa, the Springboks might be the most successful sport national team in South Africa, however Football/Soccer remains the most popular sport.
roger that👍
Yeah but it’s way bigger than in Australia, most Australians couldn’t name a single wallaby.
Cricket.... a summer sport for you guys??
The bit about Ireland’s main sport being rugby is a bit wrong. They’ve arguably got as much competition as aus with a smaller population.
Apologies mate, and please, thanks for watching.
Yes, Australian rugby union has fallen from the great heights of 25 years ago. Here's a parallel topic: how has Australia, with a lot of other sports ranked ahead of rugby union, been able to put together the 3rd best record in Rugby World Cups (2 wins, 2 2nds)? And the second best record against NZ (won 27% of tests, only bettered by South Africa's 38% )? What's wrong with England, France, Ireland, Wales...etc...?
Agreed! ….. I heard Clive Woodward the other day-saying when they won back in 03, he didn’t expect for England to follow up with a 20 year drought themselves!
ps : we do have a video of the 03 England journey, please check it out🙏
the major reason that australian rugby fails to accomplish any meaningful results is because it is seen as an elitist sport played by the privileged upper classes. almost all white rugby players(not the coconuts) are the product of the university system, going on to high paid employment after their playing days. in an egalitarian society like australia, the majority would prefer to embrace sports like rugby league and victorian football which seem to represent the majority of the population more adequately.
This is such nonsense. "Egalitarian" Australia not wanting to support a sport played by "university system" people. Did you get hit in the head?
which is crazy now that the latest Statistics are out for the AFL and only 29% of current AFL players went to Government schools with 69% coming from Independent/religious schools.
@@mattlyons5477 victorian footba[l is embraced by 'public' schools in victoria, wa, sa, tas, whereas in qld and nsw, rugby league is not. it would seem that the privileged graduates of 'public' schools are quite as capable of playing victorian football as their social inferiors.
What a load of rubbish! Rugby union is the original culturally diverse sport with the Ella brothers playing in the 80's and Willie O, Illy Tabua, George Gregan and Totou Kefu playing in the 90's. This was the same time when Nicky Winmar was being racially abused by Collingwood fans and he did his famous gesture when he lifted his guernsey up and pointed to his skin. In the 80's, Rugby league was pretty much an exclusively Anglo Australian sport with the odd exception. Now, rugby union is very mixed culturally with a lot of Pacific Islanders playing aswell.
@@davidbarnett3821 and how does this pc rant in any way refute what i posted?
As an Englishman I can honestly say I want to see the Aussies back up there. Aussie and English fans have always had a great relationship. England aren’t quite up there with NZ and SA but we’ve usually beat the Aussies over the last 10 years.
We wanna see the Wallabies back up there.
yup
Football is actually by far our most popular sport in 🇿🇦. It's just that, well, we're a bit shiite. 😂
3:47 "South Africa and New Zealand... are not known for their involvement in other sport like ... cricket" Eh?
hey @CF, was totally a syntax error, was supposed to be "are" not "aren't". And please keep watching. Have British and Irish Lions preview video 2025, and Wallabies Grand Slam '84, also a sort of preview of November Tour.
Ironically, many of AFL's greatest athletes (Ben Simmons, Josh Giddey, Dyson Daniels, Josh Green, Matthew Dellavedova, Joe Ingles etc. etc.) instead choose to pursue the NBA purely because it pays more
can't argue with that mate
Thank you for your analysis. As an Australian it is refreshing to hear an outsiders perspective that is not just a pile on from opposition fans. I do agree with your points but i would like to add one. Rugby has always been a "private school boy" sport in Australia. Its culture, direction and even ticket availability is still controlled by those who are part of the "old boys club" . This tiny pool of playing, coaching and management of the sport has driven the success and popularity of the game to the fringes ( albeit, well heeled fringe) of Australian sporting interest. You cant beat the best when your talent pool consists of 5 or 6 elite private schools. RIP Australian rugby
thanks man! ....the Clutch team supports Wallabies Rugby....looking forward to the British Isles tour....and the return bout Lions Tour
Yes, very good point but we're not dead yet! 😉
@@davidbarnett3821 No Siree.... less go!
@DanielCook-s9s TY for watching, stay for more ....
Rugby is still mainly a private school sport in most countries.
Rugby is the number 4 sport in Ireland. Its not even close.
Yes but it's a professional sport, an international sport, and something Ireland is good at. I'm guessing it's also popular with the richer Irish population.
@chesterdonnelly1212 Chester, you're blowing hot air throughout the comments. The GAA is amateur in Ireland, nothing else is.
@@gdes4063 the rugby players who play for the four professional teams are full time professionals and a lot of them are really well paid. I'm not making an argument about whether a player is permitted to be paid, I'm saying rugby can be a profession and career in Ireland. If you're going to have a professional career in another team sport you have to move to Britain or somewhere else.
@chesterdonnelly1212 again, youre wrong. The League of Ireland is a professional sports league.
@@gdes4063 there's no way. The average attendance is 3k which is what we get in England in the National League, which is the league below the football league, i.e fifth tier. None of the Republic of Ireland team plays for a team in Ireland. They all play professionally in Britain. Those League of Ireland players are semi pro.
League has minimal complexity and so its a path of least resistance for most looking to choose between the two codes. Also, the ARU/Rugby Australia not letting talented players play in France and the UK is really hurting us. That's where the best club teams, coaching, and new ideas about the game comes from. That decision has really cost and made us less talented and less developed in the modern game now.
Where you said the best clubs, coaching, and new ideas, I agree with that, but you and I might be in the minority. Because the argument is "which is better, northern or southern hemisphere?". Clutch doesn't necessarily think it's better, but it is different. And different will always challenge old ideas, or if you want to be fancy, pre-existing concepts.
You gotta mighty fine point there!
Peace.
Great video! I wouldn't have mentioned Ireland as a team that arent associated with other sports though, rugby is at very most only the 3rd most popular sport
great catch, I missed that one....glad you liked the video
Fourth most popular after Gaelic games and soccer
@@MrButters1983Australia doesn't use that as an excuse, probably because they have two world cups
@@ShiNooBi1986 australia used that excuse in this video?
instead of continuing to play the "running rugby" the Wallabies were famous for, they've had coaches trying to play European rugby
Agreed, they've lost the identity they made wallabies rugby special
European rugby , you mean winning rugby
@@PatrickKelly-lz3pv Ah yes the famous World Cup wins by European nations. When was the last one?
@@goodshipkaraboudjan if your a Australian you have won one more than England, if you are a New Zealander you have won two more than England, not much to brag about there.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan When was your last win ?
Probably because rugby union is the 4th most popular football code in Australia, by a distance too. It's a miracle they are ever even competitive
....and now they are heading up to the British Isles and right on the heels of that The Lions are heading down, not impossible, but wont be easy!
It’s probably 5th. League, AFL, Cricket, Soccer probably more popular at the professional and grassroots levels
@Oskar.s.s cricket isn't a football code but if we're expanding it to all sports it would be well below 5th
@@PatKenobi1 my bad didn’t read the football part
@@Oskar.s.sAFLs bigger then League
Donald Bradman once said "when a sport goes professional, it loses something". Rugby in Australia has always had to compete with League, Aussie Rules & later football. It's amazing that the Wallabies achieved what they did over the years. However, times have changed, and the almighty dollar wins in the end.
Sir Don Bradman??
@@duckworth_lewis According to Ian Chappell
Rugby is absolutely not the overwhelmingly popular sport on Ireland. At best it's third behind Gaelic football and hurling, and realistically it's still behind soccer in terms of player population here...
Quade Cooper also made a good point too "Iron sharpens iron" referring to the lackluster domestic competition with the absence of the South Africans. I think another point missed is how there is an absence of international players within the local competition. The salary cap has a lot to do with it but economically they just aren't drawing the crowds to justify a higher salary cap too. I think this is where Australia Rugby naturally will sit for a long time. The other comment I heard that made sense was the comparison of the bureaucracy of English RU and Australian RU. Too much meddling from the sides by the RU bodies into the national team that drive the playing and coaching team apart at the seams. It becomes schoolboy rugby instead of a professional outfit.
Yeah bro, I saw the Quade Cooper interview, and I thought he was almost sad about the current situation🙏
It's simple. All our best players are playing League.
The end of Super Rugby - the Aussies are isolated in their sporting code now
Yeah, I think that has played a major part as well as spreading their talent too thin across 5 teams
Super rugby is not what it used to be and that’s not necessarily a bad thing….the empty stadiums, yes that’s definitely not a good thing.
Hopefully the axing of the Rebels bringing the teams down to 4 should help conserve and maintain talent, the Wallabies were better with just 3 or 4 teams IMO.
Rugby Union is like the 4th most popular sport in Ireland
Rugby in Australia has been put on a shelf in a forgotton closet and left to die by the media....
I used to love watching Rugby but you have to pay to see it in Australia, for over 10years i haven't even heard someone talk about Rugby Union, like, nothing at all.
9:52 "its great to learn about indigenous people". Too much wokeness in Australian Rugby.
I don't mind the occasional indigenous themed jersey but the welcome to countrys and dances are too much.
Australia was only strong in the 90s due to the Super League wars which led a lot of would-be league players to join union teams. Once league regained its strength, all of Australia talented rugby players returned to league. Many of the Wallabies today wouldn't even break into regional rugby league teams.
I (begrudgingly) admit NSW Blues would beat NSW Waratahs - 2 games, 1 each for both sets of rules, sadly the Maroons would beat the Reds ..... I think The Brumbies would give both teams a run for their money. I dont think its a permanent thing, its just a passing phase! Clutch is a Rugby Channel!
@@thomasrodwell563 Typical league bogan cluelessness.
No. The super league war was not until 1996. The Wallabies ascended to one of the top international XV’s a decade earlier.
And league has always poached Union talent. How did that Benjie guy, the supposed best half back in league, do at Union again?
what utter nonsense. South Africa and New Zealand do not have any other sports to concentrate on except rugby. This commentator has been smoking some strong stuff.
Hey Bro, it was totally a syntax error, supposed to say "are", not "aren't"....goes to show what two letters can do. LOL. Thanks for watching.
1) Failure to backup and get to the breakdown quickly 2) Rugby League offers more money 3) Northern hemisphere rules favour excessive scrum penalties 4) Failure to adapt to changes in the game 5) Refs feature too much in a game that was known for running without interference until the ball went into touch
@@ian2593 I do agree with a few of your comments ✅✅✅
its not just about the rugby , their pool of talent is shrinking, lack of tv deal, bad management, lack of viewers, the healthy state of league which is a much better watch than rugby etc etc. it just goes on and on.
There is some light at the end of the tunnel. Dan Herbert running things as so far showed improvement. At least he gets it as a player and decent businessman.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan😂😂😂😂
As an analysis of the top end of Test Rugby in Australia, I think this is a fairly good summary of why the Wallabies aren't where they were.
However, as other(s) have pointed out, the periods of success Australia has enjoyed are completely anomalous compared to our history.
A deeper analysis needs to look below pro level, and understand our development systems have had no significant change since the 90s - schools and club rugby are pretty much as they were - and our players don't get much more than a dozen top level professional games a year outside the Test window.
The real issues are well below Test and pro level, to a system still rooted in amateurism and a refusal to change, unlike our competitor sports in rugby league and Australian rules.
We see your point, hoping its just a little blip on the timeline
The downfall of Australian rugby? Get over it it's 2024 Australia has a new coach they have won their first 2 internationals against Wales their next opponents are SA in the Rugby Championship here's hoping for an Australian resurgence
Yes Suh, my sentiments exactly, seriously hoping they do well at The Rugby Championship and '24 moving forward.
Couldn't agree more, one would hope Joey takes them further on progress and improvement despite being TRC underdogs as usual.
sometimes the underdog tag removes pressure, allowing the guys to focus on the game much more clearly!
Sadly the SA campaign is not off to the best start.
I’m an Australian rugby fan, can someone explain why super rugby teams can’t recruit players from other countries like other sports? It seems bizarre that this difference exists.
@@laurens4561 Not enough money.
Rugby starts at the grassroots. Sadly rugby is only funded by rich private schools or the large footy clubs.
Rugby union Australia has only been interested in paying the players at high level millions like the israel folau issue and david pococks sabatical.
Here in New Zealand every school has a rugby team and every club has funding.
If you want to get keep kids invested well you have to invest but sadly that hasnt been Rugby Australias priority and so the lack of talent has diminished substantial to better aired games like NRL and NFL.
Total lake of faith of the game. Australia once had so much pride in the game now all you see are empty stadiums in the super rugby and club footy.
Needs a big revolution
well said, your point proves that money is there....
@@ClutchRugbyXV Exactly, Australia need more tournaments, school on school, state on state, and their own Australia cup. Build competiveness, build on pridde in which players want to bleed for that Gold jersey.
Every kiwi kid and saffa grows up wanting to be an all black or a bok. Its a cult following.
Aussie kids go no thanks, its sad really you cant say they have no talent.
@@MakingMoneyyy857 State on State sounds like 'State of Origin' , in a nice way👍.... We at Clutch are totally fans of Schools Rugby, an example is Fiji Schools Rugby draws almost bigger crowds than the Flying Fijians. and no, theres no way you can say no talent💪💪💪
That was pretty shallow. No mention of Gitoe's law. No mention of the country refusing to pick its best players of they are overseas.
Giteaus Law...yeah, there could have been mention of the refusing to pick players, if they are overseas.... Will Skelton came from the Top 14 to RWC 23, last month they brought Koroibete back from Japan, so yeah you got a point there mate.
@@ClutchRugbyXV it's such a ridiculous rule. We aren't the best country in the world anymore. We need to be picking the best players regardless of where they play, because other leagues are at a higher level than Australia and if those players are picked it can only improve Aus rugby. Imagine the socceroos only picking from the A-league or the Boomers picking only from the NBL. Pick the best players no matter where they are playing
@@mattroper7214 Preech Brotha !
Australian rugby fans have always been in complete denial about the popularity of their sport, it's a small Sport with a tiny talent pool. If it was as strong as rugby league they would be the dominant team in the world.
The arrogance of leaguies is just on another level. Its easy to chat a big game when no one else plays the sport and the entire code is propped up by pokies.
@@JayDDeeee I'm not talking about what sport is better, Rugby League is clearly massively stronger than Rugby Union in Australia, that is a fact. Australian football is massively stronger than both of them combined.
@chalkandcheese1868 league has always been bigger than union in Aus. No one has ever argued the opposite. Mate you'd win gold in a useless comments competition
@@JayDDeeee I think you're having a little trouble staying on point mate, I was just stating facts and you went off on your little anti league rant, read the comments carefully next time. Mate
@chalkandcheese1868 no mate, you got called out for a nonsense comment and changed the topic because you had to. All the best
All these comments about nobody in Australia giving a stuff about the Wallabies and rugby union are probably from people who don't remember the blanket media coverage and ticker tape parades when we won those two world cups. Says more about the character of Aussie sports fans than anything else.
@@lionferry Most of it is self-reassuring exaggeration from league losers and pure wilful ignorance from Aussie rules fans.
Football in South Africa is bigger by participation and we also produce and compete at the top of all formats of cricket
Look at that backline - Gregan/Larkham/Horan/Herbert/Roff/Burke/Tune!! Any current player able to supplant any of them??? Feels like Aussie Rugby climbed the mountain in 2021 and then descended back into base camp!
*Jason Little !
Larkham was an absolutely nightmarish player. He played his best game ever against us in the world cup semi final of 1999.
Very seldom have I seen so much grit from a fly-half, even after being targeted for vicious hits. Legend.
@@randomlyfactual1943 Larkham could receive the ball at flyhalf on the inside foot (or the wrong foot), I think Mark Ella did the same in the 80s....lead up to the show n go or quick/miss pass
@@ClutchRugbyXV Only correction I would make there is that Larkham didn't have a wrong foot 😆
Apart from the obvious GOAT candidates Wilko and Carter, Larkham is probably the best fly-half I've watched live.
@@randomlyfactual1943 Bernie was a special flyhalf to walk this earth....what made him unique as standoff was that he didnt have a kicking game!!!!
League have always been bigger than rugby in Australia we were just happen to blessed by many great talents from private schools back in the days
In my opinion Australia national rugby is falling because the sacked David Rennie when he put them in the World Cup. Homie definitely curse them
Poor forward pack . They have no platform since the 90s
they do have some world class forwards, no?....at the same time they do need some new faces.
The sacking of Izzy Folau...that moment represented all that was wrong with ARU.
@@dumanimjo609 only in the sense that the game was still poaching from the NRL in the first place. They’ve spent over 20 years blowing all their cash trying to win attention from the NRL by buying name players and it reached its most pig headed and stupid under McLennan, not Castle. People keep carrying on about the brief stint Castle had at RA, but McLennan’s tenure was the perfect encapsulation of why the game is dead - he was an out of touch talentless private school alum convinced of his own superiority who blew all the game’s money on Suaalii and then Eddie Jones whilst attacking the NRL at every turn, then refused to take any responsibility when it all blew up and the wallabies had their worst ever WC performance
I wont go back that far, but I do think RA could have dealt with the Marky Mark situ a liitle better
Folau was very overhyped and one dimensional. His defence and positional play were terrible. Plus, he would look and play as a disinterested player throughout Super rugby knowing he was an automatic selection for the Wallabies. Egotistic too
Australia was only a top tier side in 1980's and 1990's. Prior to this they were pretty much where they are now
@@MarkL-we8uk They were good during the first decade of the millennium.
@danieleyre8913 I would say 2003 was the curtain call for them.
That being said, I love David Campase nonchalantly and super focused handling of the All Black's haka at World Cup semi 1991 by just ignoring them with a warm up
@@MarkL-we8uk Sounds to me like you have no clue. Wallabies were still strong in the 2007 World Cup.
I still have fond memories of Paul Carozza being elbowed over the line by Richard Loe.
@@danieleyre8913 quarter final v England would suggest otherwise. Competitive and decent perhaps, however, no longer contenders for world's number 1 team
@@MarkL-we8uk That loss to England in the quarter final was the upset of the tournament.
"...a country with such a rich rugby history.." is far from true. Australia has a rich rugby league history, not a rich rugby union history. Rugby is like a fifth string sport here. The great majority of Australians did not know there was a thing called the Rugby World Cup when Australia won it in 1991. In fact, it was an indictment on the standard of world rugby that its premier tournament was won by a country where rugby is such a minority sport.
@@salt1956 I don’t think you understand what he means by “rich rugby history”.
Even though Rugby Union was never mainstream in Australia; it has still been played competitively and had a social network/community attached to it for about 150 years.
It’s the same with how Cricket isn’t really that big & mainstream in NZ and the national teams sucks, but NZ definitely has a rich history of cricket dating back to settler times. Same with polo and yachting in NZ.
As for Australia winning the World Cup in 1991: The sold out crowds at Ballymore and the SFS & Concord Oval in the years leading up to that prove that there was a large enough community of rugby union in Australia, even if it wasn’t relevant to Adelaide. Most of NSW and QLD could not name a player in an AFL grand final but does that mean it’s not competitive? Rugby Union was definitely competitive internationally in 1991, if you didn’t have such a chip on your shoulder you would have a sporting achievement Australians can actually be proud of.
Nz only plays union??? Yeah nah bro, you need glasses man, black caps have a better record than the wallabies of recent...
@@tudorburchill8426 I’m from NZ and I don’t like Cricket (and I reckon the Black Caps are a joke).
But yeah we’re far from only into rugby (Union). People here play a wide range of sports and a dozen have a competitive national competition.
2:49 Nic White, complaining about a forward pass instead of tackling his opponent right in front of him, 5m from the try line, KEK W...
scrumhalf gonna scrumhalf🙃
I think that you could have made this video 20 years ago.
Would be interesting to see how the All Blacks fare in the years to come, with rugby league growing rapidly...
yup...
Rugby league growing rapidly where? Not in new zealand
@@3rdBestMJ if you watch the nrl, you will see how big of a fanbase the nz warriors have. they also have another team called south island kea, that are due to join the nrl and a stadium is currently being built for them in christchurch
@@madrikz.fj.679 The warriors are popular here but the actual sport isn't. Playing numbers at club level are dropping rapidly and most regions in NZ don't even have club competitions. The south island team is purely speculation LMAO the NRL are going with perth and png over it and also pretty fucking stupid to say the christchurch stadium is being built for a team that isn't even close to being confirmed. That stadium is for the crusaders and canterbury rugby.
Mate, all it takes is for the All Blacks to lose a match and fans lose their minds! A few losses and people would be disinterested as win/lose or draw, the team is never good enough
Biggest problem has got little to do with the actual rugby side of things. Management has just allowed the game to fade further and further into the background. They’ve done bugger all to market the game and what little stars we have left. It’s amazing that a sport that is seen to be elitist (at least here) and the domain of bankers and advertising executives could be so bad at both
Yeah sorry mate, I cant find a reason to disagree with you, I thought they could have dealt a liitle better (at least) with Marky Mark.
Foxtel (Rupert Murdoch) killed rugby in Australia. I have been saying this for 25 years.
There are a few reasons why Union has been on the decline in Australia. 1st is because Union is a sport only played at rich schools and they don't even try to grow talent at the grass roots level like the Kiwis do. 2nd reason is watchability, the only place to watch Union, wether Super Rugby or International matches is on Stan Sport, while AFL, NRL and Cricket are on Free TV or Fox Sports which is much easier to access. Union keeps insisting on being harder for Common folk to access so that's why it's popularity has been in a freefall the last decade
This. Or wait, lemme put that with more emphasis... THIS.
With the exception of NZ, union is only a "big" sport in the eyes of a small group of people in every country it's played 😂
@@bigm6649 Typical Aussie league bogan ignorance.
Rugby Union is the biggest sport in Wales and the sport of the white minority in South Africa.
It’s a lot bigger than just two states of Australia.
Lol, countries like NZ and and South Africa are not interested in cricket and soccer. Homie, under Graeme Smith we were no.1 in all 3 formats of cricket. Bloody hell. NZ have been a top cricket nation for years now 😂
Hey bro, it was a syntax error. Was supposed to be "are" as opposed to "aren't". A couple of folk picked that up. Good catch there👍
and thanks for watching bro. 👍
Saying that Rugby is the focus in Ireland is so far from the Truth, GAA and Soccer are far more popular for players and week to week fans. Ireland Rugby doesn't use this as an excuse and has built one of the best rugby structures I the World.
Couple this with the format of AFL and NRL and the skill transfer is huge. So this saturation is only ever an excuse for Rugby Australia.
Every time someone from Ireland says this it makes no sense to me. GAA whilst popular is not professional
Complete rookie outsider take. Problems with rugby begin and end with super rugby. As has been said before rugby was behind a paywall and foxtel never got as popular in Australia as predicted meaning rugby was no longer seen or heard about by the vast majority of Australians. Also rugby only ever had a small passionate fan base coming from mainly the private schools. That would give them enough talent for 3teams NSW, Qld and ACT. Going to 5 killed the sport especially as Melbourne and WA had no talent of their own and so had to steal all their players from those 3 states. That meant all teams became weaker. It also meant that the second tier competition lost all their best players and experience. For example if a player was dropped from NSW instead of playing for Randwick for another 5 years they would go off to WA. Rugby needs to go back to a 3 state competition. Focus on keeping all the best talent and go from there.
Definitely not a “rookie outsider take” 💯
Perth is full of South Africans who all played rugby in S AFrica and Zimbabwe. They tried to support the Western Force but the ARU stupidly deregistered them. At same most of the kids of the S African immigrants play AFL footy or soccer. Not many do Rugby. Even the NZers and Islanders in Perth in large numbers to work in the mines, meat industry or building have their kids more likely to play Rugby league. Then you have the situation of a new Rugby League team in Perth who will dominate Western Force who has returned but now without support.
is Perth getting an NRL team
@@ClutchRugbyXV Its been recommended now, so it sounds like its just a matter of being issued a licence. North Sydney Bears have been out of the competition for 20 years. Now they're being relocated in Perth. I reckon when they rock up they will get good crowds for the next five year and the Force and rugby will find it very hard to compete. So many people with goodwill wanted Rugby to prosper in WA, but Rugby Australia has messd it up.
@@BDub2024 Hey, BDub, whats goin' on....thanks for geting back, yeah I know the N Sydney Bears....and if remember correctly, Perth has been one of the fastest growing cities in Oz....was it not?
do you think the town is big enough for two teams
@@ClutchRugbyXV Yes fast growing. At 2.3 million people currently. Force got dumped by ARU after not being supported adequately with developing a successful team. But they had loyal S African and NZ fans etc. Eventually Forrest's money was needed to back unprofitable ARU and he backed Force. Force came back in various forms eventually, but the product isn't good anymore with Super rugby and a lot of fans that wanted in good faith to back Rugby in Perth have walked away. Now NRL coming to town. I reckon they won't get the S Africans support, they may win NZ and England fans to the game. So should build support. Force and Aust Rugby I think are probably in the downward spiral. Not sure. I'd have to compare crowd sizes at all the cities. Saw Wallabies vs Springboks in Perth a few weeks ago. Even though not really a Rugby fan. Seriously there were probably 30k South African fans there. I reckon they had over 50% support easily.
Rugby Union is not a prominent sport in Aussie...I'm surprised their heyday lasted as long as it did. The current crop of players is undoubtedly the weakest in living memory...or at least it is for me in all my 64 years. There is not a single world class player in the whole of Aussie right now. Michael Hooper was the last....
here's hoping U20's make some sort of impact!
Will never forgive them for how they treated Israel Folau. I'm happy whenever they lose.
Half the squad wanted him gone. So much is not cohesive in wobbly land. Half woke, half Christian. I like them losing, tbh.
@@michaelofsydney6128And the coach « targeted » by Folau 😂
They do seem to have collapse since getting rid of him
@@RicoCilliers Yes how dare they not make an exception to the public relations protocols for his intolerant tantrum?
Hey guys, two-fold question here. Do you agree with some commentators that Bok's Coach-Rassie, new look squad is disrespectful to Australian rugby (as some are saying)?
Second question-what does Joe Schmidt need to do to or is the responsibility with the players to step up to win or least do better than the first test?
@@ClutchRugbyXV Interesting question bro. First off I think Ireland are doing alright and Joe Schmidt can sit back. You win some, you lose some, it’s a sport! Ireland under 18’s went through England so I think they doing all good 👍
Second: I’ve mentioned before that I live in Perth Western Australia. Nothing brings more joy to my heart than seeing the Wallabies get blown away by the Springboks! I mean peace to everyone and don’t want to start up trouble, but the Wallabies are just posers. Seeing them put in their place by the Boks (again as a Kiwi I hold the Boks in high regard, much respect to them) is s***s and giggles 😂 just IMHO, but you cannot be disrespecting a team (as you have stated, Boks team is disrespectful to Aussies) when you giving them a beating.
Sure; the Pumas came over the Blacks and I’m still crying (LMAO just joking, Argentina played well and deserve the W!) but Australia was demolished by the Boks on their soil. I been a Kiwi living in Australia long enough to like that whenever the Aussies lose at something they will blame it on anything except the fact they didn’t have the ballsack to go through the other team!
Hope that was a half assed answer man! Just IMHO as well, no offence meant to anyone, let’s all just grab a couple pints and watch some Rugby Union 👍💪 I’ll shout the first round 🍻 👍
@@TheCaptain001 your shout it is!👍
The Bok squad is comprised of 33 players considered good enough to earn a Bok cap. Disrespect doesn’t come into it. As to what Schmidt can do: as long as the elitist old-school-tie plonkers remain in charge, he’s on a hiding to nothing. If things change at the top, I have every faith that the Wallabies can bounce back.
@@TheCaptain001 also thanks for the support👍
@@ClutchRugbyXV Watching the game now and just saw Los Pumas cross the line. Good on them. They are done for this game but they earned that try. If I came say one thing: there are two MF’ing hardass defence lines! Pumas and Blacks, I’d prefer to run into a brick wall! Pumas have some big brothers in defence and the score doesn’t reflect that. Welcome to sunny New Zealand (🤣🤣🤣) and the ball is slippery so there’s some messy rugby, but those Argentinian’s deserve a pile tonne of respect. GG guys, ❤️ this game 👍🤘💪
ps: now we get to watch the Wallabies and Springboks 🥰 I love my life 😂
pps: in lovely wintery belting down rain Perth where I live as well 🤣
THE FACTS…. Results prove Wallabies are a TIER 2 International team. Todays Wallabies do not have the skills, fitness, knowledge, wisdom or ability to compete against TIER ONE TEAMS. Why? Not one current Wallaby would be picked in a World 15…. Or a World second 15…. Or a World third 15…. Australian Rugby has completed destroyed the club and country club systems through lack of financial support. The relentless use of overseas born players to fill Wallaby places has failed miserably! Sadly the worst is yet to come!
I'll add that we are always seemingly injured. I've never seen a squad of players so injured.
TV Money is key to both NRL and AFL. Union has none of that money.
League has Union in a strangle hold and won't let go,,, and rightly so. They (union) are Leagues competitors. Why would the NRL take their foot off Union? Does the RFU not wield the same power over TV money in England? Would the RFU assist English super league? of course they wouldn't!!
NO ONE watches club rugby anywhere in the world, it's ratings are pathetic in all countries (yes, even SA and NZ). Union relies solely on international matches. The oppose is true for league, strong in club land but poor internationally.
Personally, I'd love both sports to merge but that will never happen.
My theory (which is not profound ) is Aus had a point of difference with players from a rugby league background: Ella brothers, campese, Andrew walker, giteau, Beale, Folau. In a sort of suicide wish, waspy/ Ralph Lauren wearing administrators have gotten the rugby league out of rugby in Aus (getting rid of Folau was there last hurdle) and now it’s neither competitive or entertaining and the lions tour will be fkn cringey.
No mate, the rest of the world just caught up.
The previous decade the world caught to scotland, wales, england and france.
This decade began with you australia, and all blacks, boks and ireland you're next.
Ab 30, los pumas 38
Welp, apparently the public schools are churning out more league players than the private schools in union.
But anyways, previous RA board being ambitious with team expansion and wokery says it all about the Wallabies fall from grace beyond the late 1990s and early 2000s.
@@Samizouza And league isn’t at least as infected with “workery” as Union?
@@danieleyre8913 I'm mostly talking about RA here but fair point on league, especially with the Manly "rainbow jerseys" recently like what were the "seagles" thinking by pandering to pride month?
@@Samizouza Pretty much all sport has gone woke. Because the athletes have.
I’m not enamoured with it myself. But I don’t think it’s worth getting too bothered about either.
Joyce and the social engineers killed it when they sacked the best player in the world
Thanks for this interesting watch. I wasn't quite sure perhaps if the analysis addressed the known structural issues at management level in Australian rugby union? Other commentators place significant focus on this as being a key reason why rugby is considered to be in genuine difficulty in Australia (for example Matt Williams, Planet Rugby, 9 August 2024). Just to assess a point raised in relation to Ireland made in the segment of the video addressing 'Competition' at 3:50; which states that "rugby union is the overwhelming sport preferred by the populace". While that may be true in relation to South Africa and New Zealand, in Ireland this statement is not at all correct. The most popular team ball sports in Ireland are by some distance Gaelic football (the first national game run by the Gaelic Athletic Association, the 'GAA'), soccer and hurling (the second national game run by the GAA). Rugby, while popular and well-supported in Ireland, is played by a small fraction of the numbers playing Gaelic football and hurling, at both elite and more junior levels. Gaelic games in Ireland are an integral aspect of the country's national identity; the island of Ireland has roughly 6 million inhabitants, with GAA membership currently being at around c.800,000. This should be taken into account when comparing a country such as Australia with Ireland in terms of rugby success, both countries are multi-sports. With Ireland's far smaller national population, of which only a very small subset is involved in the playing of rugby union, this makes Ireland's consistent strength near the top of professional country and club rugby all the more notable.
@smcc9348 Kind Greetings Good Fellow, much apologies, I would assure you most sincerely that this was a matter of editorial mis-step and in no way purposeful.
Actually in my town (N.America) we do have a GAA league, if i can call it that. Thank You for taking the high road in the way you highlighted.
The first thing you notice when comparing an NRL match with Super Rugby or even an international game is the lack of athleticism of the union team. Many of them look chubby or even fat which smacks of not taking themselves seriously as a professional. Moreover, they seem to lack the basics like being able to tackle. The number of missed tackles in union is just embarrassing. Finally, as a spectator it’s just too difficult a lot of the time to understand what the calls are and why. League is simpler and allows the crowd to know what’s going on and therefore to put pressure on the refs to make the right call. With union most of the time the crowd just has to take the ref’s word for it when a penalty is called because no one can actually see what’s going on.
@@mattyj4852 If audiences don’t know what’s going on in Union then they simply don’t know the rules. Because they never played rugby themselves. I guess league can appeal to couch potatoes who never actually played the game.
As for athleticism, thanks for confirming that you don’t actually watch Union. Remind me how that Ben-gee guy did at Union again?
Ha!
Money is the main cause of the collapse of rugby in Australia and this year and in New Zealand. The legendary "mighty All Blacks" died when Ian Foster took over as head coach of the All Blacks. Soon, beating the All Blacks will no longer be a performance, a dream come true.
The rest are details.
How did you die? You made the RWC last year! 😂😂😂 never happy. You lose a few games, yet still aren't happy. Wow...
But yes, the All Blacks sold out to AiG and insurance.
What some wont accept and acknowledge is that Rugby Australia (Union Management) is hopelessly left in their ideology and have been pushing their foolish ideas, which infected everything downstream.
Case in point, the firing of Israel Folou for daring to publicly state what he believes as a Christian on social media. Tolerance for everyone except Christians in Australia corporate ESG.
Israel was an absolute phenomenal player, but in Australia, in the last 10 years, politics is more important than playing good rugby.
This is btw, what the problem was with South African rugby when it was playing so poorly during the late 2000's to mid 2010's. When DEI hire Alistair completely messed up the DNA of SA rugby and then had to later move on, with Rassie taking over and we all know what happened then.
Im am FOR natural integration and people having their own INDIVIDUAL thoughts and beliefs, without politics infecting everything like a cancer.
Currently Rugby Australia is that pathetic posterboy for post modern left ideology and the results speak for itself.
@@heinrichbosch630 Since when is accepting intolerance and bigotry “tolerating Christian belief”?! Since when has homophobia had anything to do with Christianity?
Not a single Christian I know had a problem with him being reprimanded.
@danieleyre8913
Many so called 'Christians' in Australia do not even know their own scriptures or live according to it faithfully. They are fools masquerading under the banner but useless in the actual mission that is to call sinners to repentance via the gospel of Jesus Christ. Do I need to give you a contextual lesson regarding this command from Jesus with multiple verses as proof from the old and new Testament?
Australia as a whole is demonstrably full of left wing bias from government to schools to corporate work space. It is not a surprise that they treated Folou so poorly.
My comment simply explained the blatant hypocrisy of the Autralian public at large and many corporate companies.
If you are so 'tolerant' of other's beliefs then why can I not believe homosexuals and transgender people are living in sin and if they don't repent will go to hell?
Remember 'tolerance' is king in the secular view so actually live it.
And PS. Isn't it interesting that Rugby Australia's largest sponsor at the time of the sacking was Quantas with an openly homosexual CEO. What is that probability that Joyce didn't have a 'say' I the 'tolerant' firing of Folou.
Your pathetic reasoning falls on deaf ears. First stop being a hypocrite and then others like me will listen more.
@danieleyre8913
Many so called 'Christians' in Australia do not even know their own scriptures or live according to it faithfully. They are fools masquerading under the banner but useless in the actual mission that is to call sinners to repentance via the gospel of Jesus Christ. Do I need to give you a contextual lesson regarding this command from Jesus with multiple verses as proof from the old and new Testament?
Australia as a whole is demonstrably full of left wing bias from government to schools to corporate work space. It is not a surprise that they treated Folou so poorly.
My comment simply explained the blatant hypocrisy of the Autralian public at large and many corporate companies.
If you are so 'tolerant' of other's beliefs then why can I not believe homosexuals and transgender people are living in sin and if they don't repent will go to hell?
Remember 'tolerance' is king in the secular view so actually live it.
And PS. Isn't it interesting that Rugby Australia's largest sponsor at the time of the sacking was Quantas with an openly homosexual CEO. What is that probability that Joyce didn't have a 'say' I the 'tolerant' firing of Folou.
Your pathetic reasoning falls on deaf ears. First stop being a hypocrite and then others like me will listen more.
Lack of talent, lack of synergy in the team along with no real public interest is what killed Aussie Rugby Union.
I can dig the synergy thing👍