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Anthanasius said liturgies in peoples homes, he ordained bishops in already established dioceses, he was calumniated as a renegade and rebel, like Lefebvre, by the arians (most of the bishops were Arians) -- and he's a saint. If Francis can reverse summorum pontificum, then a future pope can reinstate it.
@@figurefour633 Certainly! We all submit to the authority of the Pope. But we must not be silent towards these affronts and sheer hostility unto our sacred tradition.
Fr Ripperger’s new book ‘The Limits of Papal Authority over the Liturgy’ speaks to this very question. Authority - yes, Prudence - no. Keep praying all. 2 Thessalonians 2:14
It's more accurate to say the Pope has power regarding the suppression of the Mass. He doesn't have the authority to abrogate the TLM, but in practice, he can illicitly limit it or say that it is abrogated. That doesn't give him the authority. There are limits to our obedience to our superior's authority. If they overstep their authority and instruct us against the good and it is not directed only at a single person, then we are not obligated to obey. All three are true in the suppression of the true Mass. No pope can prevent its celebration. Forcing the NO (even more so, only allowing the NO) is an instruction against our individual and common good. It is not about whether or not a particular person can say or hear the Mass. It's about its availability in the Universal Church. In fact, knowing these things makes it a moral imperative for us to resist with whatever means are available to us. St. Pius V and St. Pius X, Pray for us.
The pachama madness has been debunked. So do not bear false witness. James Martin must oppose the Pope (which rad trads do) or his bishop must petition the Pope. James Martin is subject to his bishop, so you must write to the bishop from James Martin.
The Pope can absolutely ban the Latin Mass, and if he does we will know who is actually Catholic and who sees a specific Mass as more important than the Church Itself (ie not Catholic)
The pope is a dictator and he has unchecked power to do whatever he wants with the faith. There is no mechanism within the church to either oppose him, even if he is heretical, or to remove him from power. Perhaps adding some checks and balances into the papacy (like allowing a two thirds majority of Cardinals and two thirds of Bishops (including those bishops who are also cardinals) to vote to remove the sitting Pope from power is something the next Pope should consider doing.
The pope does not have unchecked power. Maybe you haven’t heard but the church is protected and guided by the Holy Spirit. You want to do checks and balances against god? Good luck.
@@adrianarceo2809 Banning and/or instituting a specific Mass well within the pope's authority. If the pope banned the NO, then I wouldn't attend the NO. Same thing goes for the TLM. Its called obedience
@@adrianarceo2809 Guided, you say... Yet the Pope does this? Evil smiles when it made Lucifer fall. It shall also make Christianity shatter even more. The Church has fallen and falls greater than Lucifer.
Correct me if I'm wrong in any of the following but in practice, abolishing the Latin Mass would be challenging for several reasons: First, the Tridentine Mass has been recognized as a sacred tradition by the Church for centuries and is still celebrated by many traditionalist communities. Second, the Vatican II Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (Sacrosanctum Concilium) emphasizes the importance of _preserving_ and promoting liturgical traditions. Finally, the Holy See has already acknowledged the value of the Tridentine Mass through its authorization for its continued celebration in exceptional circumstances (e.g., Summorum Pontificum, 2007). While it is theoretically possible for a future Pope to abolish the Latin Mass via a motu proprio, it is unlikely due to practical limitations and canonical considerations. The Holy See has already demonstrated its commitment to preserving and promoting this liturgical tradition, and any attempt to abolish it would likely face significant opposition from within the Church.
I also don't see this anti-tridentine trend continuing. Once we get a Gen X or Millennial Pope, we're most likely going to see a traditional revival in the Vatican.
This is the same pope who betrayed our Chinese brethren to the ccp using the filth mccarrick as his toady, it is not to be trusted, it surrounds itself with heretics, perverts and traitors so anything is possible.
I don't know what will happen to the Latin Mass in the West, but in my country (or at least in my city, one of the biggest in the country), one could say it has almost been banned completely. Before 2022, there was an FFSP group that conducted the Traditional Latin Mass, led by Father Laurent Demets in my city. The Mass can still be performed, but it has been so heavily restricted that Father could only perform it in his private property and is not allowed to invite anyone outside to participate 😓.
Al alone... That's no church anymore. On the cross Arameic Greek and Latin were used. You choose freely. Protestant was forbidden too by the catholics. Now catholics TLM are forbidden. Amazing.
He is mistaken. If ordered, they and the FSSP must celebrate the Neverending Obliquities Mass or face dissolution. The SSPX celebrates the only non-schizmatic, valid mass that is protected from the modernist assaults that intend to suppress the Mass of the Ages.
@@DystopiaFatigueI think a lot of them would go independent, hopefully the SSPX could help out if not , social media could be used to form a society much like the SSPX. This is not the old days we have the faith, energy and tools to fight this.
Fighting the authority of the Church, will land you outside of it. Even if you dodge your bishops and pope, God sees everything. I'd recommend reading the treatise of obedience by Catherine of Siena, it really changed the way I felt about the church structure, authority and obeying my superiors (whether I thought the direction they were taking was right or not)
@camillaway2884 I just wrote this on another thread: "There are limits to our obedience to our superior's authority. If they overstep their authority and instruct us against the good and it is not directed only at a single person, then we are not obligated to obey. All three are true in the suppression of the true Mass. No pope can prevent its celebration. Forcing the NO (even more so, only allowing the NO) is an instruction against our individual and common good. It is not about whether or not a particular person can say or hear the Mass. It's about its availability in the Universal Church. In fact, knowing these things makes it a moral imperative for us to resist with whatever means are available to us." If the Pope told us we had to use Oreos for hosts, would you still think we have to obey? How about Bud Light for baptism or peanut oil for Confirmation? St. Catherine did not call for blind obedience. And if I'm going to blindly obey, it's going to be all of the popes and saints and bishops from the last two millenia that all agree, not the popes who have instituted novel contradictions to that faith and prayed openly to pagan gods.
The Orthodox are the only church that has a valid claim to the "one true church" claim, if there is such a valid claim in the first place. The Orthodox also seem much more likely to actually practice what they preach.
@marcokite That's because the Orthodox actually stuck to scripture whereas the Roman Church, in a short sighted attempt to gain more power and more effectiveness in the church's own propagation, centralized all decision making power into the Pope to which all Church members owe absolute unquestioning obedience (even when the Pope teaches lies) as long as he first says the magic words (EG " I now speak as the vicar of Christ on Faith and Morals") .
@@FinalLugiaGuardian I think it was because of Photius that the Orthodox separated. Backed by Emperor Michael and Bardas. They persecuted Bishop Ignatius. Mother Mary always tries to set her children straight with intercessions and revelations filled with insights and warnings from heaven. Even warning the Holy father Pius XII before he was Pope.
"Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree and prohibition. Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur *the wrath of Almighty God* and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul."
"The sentence of the apostolic see (than which there is no higher authority) is not subject to revision by anyone, nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment thereupon. And so they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman pontiff." - Vatican I, 1868
He is not abrogating the Roman rite. The NO is the same rite as the tlm. There just different “forms.” The 62 and 69 missal. He would be discontinuing the 62 missal, not abrogating the Roman Rite
I can’t seem to get a clear understanding as to whether they’re trying to ban it in parishes that only offer the Latin Mass or if it will also apply to parishes that offer both the Novus Ordo AND the Vitus Ordo.
Thank you for this video Brother. There's a lot of hysteria going on, and like you I celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at the SSPX and while it's not perfect it is definitely a refuge where one is needed. Two questions about the Novus ordo- is the Blood poured out for many or is It poured out for all? Could this small change invalidate all Consecrations in the vernacular? Me? I say It is ONLY for many, as far as invalidating Consecrations, our Lord can consecrate anything He wants, but what does He read in the Priest's heart as well as the laity? There is too much at risk to guess.
Theological error here. Tridentine mass IS NOT Sacred Tradition. Anyone or document that states this is in error. This mass was instituted in the 15th century (I believe), not in use prior, this would be a historic anachronism.
If rome has the authority to input the norvus ordo mass for what reason could they not ban the latin mass? Just thinking if they could alter worship previously could they not just do it again?
They can try all they want to Destroy the TLM but it will never happen. The TLM is way to strong. They can remove it from the Diocese Parishes but I don't think they can close down the FSSP Parishes. The FSSP Parishes are way to strong throughout the World. God Willing.
Yes, but the Holy Spirit is stronger. Who knows, maybe the time will come when he will want to sort out people (by banning TLM) so that it will be known for which people His Church is more important and for whom TLM is more important.
@@JanGavlasThis is the work of bergolio not the holy spirit, the holy spirit does not guarantee anyone's personal holiness, look at John xii or the Borgia popes as examples.
@@RickW-HGWT If you are not Catholic, then I understand this point of view when you say that it is not the work of the Holy Spirit. But you are right that the Holy Spirit does not automatically guarantee personal holiness to anyone, but this has nothing to do with what I said. That's a whole other topic.
@@JanGavlas You question YHWH when Yeshua built the Church which is not a physical building. Rome? You say?... ... ... The Isrealites have a better merit than all of Rome. To Judaism the Church lives on. To Christianity, the Church is within the people. Old Testament and New Testament. The wrest is meaningless.
i drive 3 hours to attend, I work saturday nights and get off at 7am, then get my family to attend mass at 10, barely making it in time. But still making it. As long as your going to mass on sunday its fine, but if you really wanted to go, you would go.
@@Chris-jr2nu Those that love God, don't think of their own inconvenience. Well done brother, I'm sure you'll have a great badge of honor for your efforts in the next life.
The examples that you gave at the beginning of the video are matters of infallible doctrine. New popes cannot change these doctrines because they are definitionally absolutely true. Liturgical form, however, is not a doctrine but a discipline. Popes are unable to bind their successors in matters of discipline. Even if the pope then established a certain liturgical discipline, the same power used to bind then can be used to loose now by the legitimate successor to Peter.
This should be the top comment. Mediator Dei and Vatican I clearly delineate the Pope's power and that the liturgy is a matter of discipline subject to modification not doctrine.
Pius V was dealing with widespread variability in liturgical worship. So many variations, novelties, and rites had been introduced on the local level to the point that liturgical uniformity was scarce. He preserved any ancient rites (i.e. those older than 200 years). The TLM qualifies as an ancient form by this metric.
If the Vatican reaches the goal of permanently ban the TLM, the next step will necessarily be the excommunication of the SSPX clergy and whoever attends the forbidden rite.
I became a catholic in 1970 so I have grown up (grown old?) with the Novus Ordo. I have never attended a TLM if that involves the priest with his back to the congregation) but have attended Masses where the Novus Ordo was given in Latin, which I enjoyed as it felt that I was actually taking part in something 'traditional'. However, I had the advantage of learning Latin at school so it is not too difficult to follow and there are, of course, (or were?) booklets with both vernacular and Latin available to follow. Having spoken to some old-timers, many say they didn't have the faintest idea of what the Latin Mass was about so for them Novus Ordo was a good thing. Nonetheless, I have never come across outright opposition to the Latin Mass. Whatever Mass I have attended, in English or Latin, I have never thought that God had rejected my prayers or accused me of taking Communion improperly. Having got one of those booklets referred to earlier I often read through the Mass in Latin at home so I don't know if that makes me a candidate for burning at the stake. It has all become far too 'political' and truth and love of God is subject to following particular rules. What would you think if the Conservatives suddenly became Labour or the Republicans suddenly became Democrats? (Nothing party political intended here - just trying to give an example of how I view things). Whatever they do in the Vatican is way beyond my understanding but I don't think that counts in any way as part of the not understanding God's intentions. It's as if mere children like me don't understand what the grown-ups do but don't let it bother you as the faith is in the good of those who know best. There has always been heretical views in the past but when it is done nominally in my name from Rome I don't like it, especially when Rome has the audacity to aim to make changes irrevocable. No matter what happens I will remain a Catholic on my own terms and belief. As EWTN says 'live Catholic". To think you can have more faith in a TV station than in the Magisterium! I hope all this makes sense.
The stage must be set for the next scene of the playscript. So it was written, so it shall be. All thanks and praise be to God. May Gods will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
So much for Christianity when it's all but shattered denominations. Satan smiles because he knows one can not serve two masters. So Christians shall serve YHWH in his ways or YHWH in human ways. The Church shall fall further than Satan. That much is inevitable.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Satan shan't prevail, he will try, but he knows his time is limited. God shall use the feet of The Church to crush satans head, the very same Church that satan tries to infiltrate and overtake and destroy any way possible. Soldiers don't question or interpret orders, soldiers follow and fulfill their orders loyally to the best of one's ability. Soldiers of Christ, marching forwards. Stay safe, God bless.
@HillSummitHomestead The only Church I see is of the Anceint Isrealites. Not of Rome nor any other. Set forth directly by YHWH himself. The only Church Yeshua built was the church he paid for on the cross. It's not a physical building to be in. But of the body, of the heart of Mankind. Rome is not the original nor the true Church of YHWH. That much is true. YHWH did not choose Rome. He chose the Anceint Isrealites, whose descendents are now building the 3rd Church in the wake of being betrayed by all nations. I denounce the Roman Orthodox and all denominations. I'm not Christian, but even I stay extremely close to YHWH and Yeshua. Without the need of the Bible because I can not trust anything touched by Mankind. Have your masses in any language or in any traditional you wish. That is very human to do. But keep YHWH's Word and Yeshua closer. There are no real Divine Athorities of YHWH. Especially Rome. Yeshua is the only one all others chosen by Yeshua when he lived are akin to Abraham but no higher. If you are to pray. Then pray to YHWH. No one else. He needs not a 3rd hand to speak to.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 I trust everything Jesus said and did, I trust His Apostles and everything they said and did. Jerusalem was the centre of Christianity up to 70 AD and The Apostles and the first Bishops upon which they layed their hands on and breathed on went to other places. As for The Church in Rome, it is Apostolic, it is exactly as per God's promise to those who wish harm upon His elect. As for other Apostolic Churches I don't see why anyone would want to turn their back on them for any reason either. What The Apostles did on Earth was blessed in Heaven. As for us, our fallen nature has gotten us this far, be it those that have strayed or be it those who have rejected Christ and who shall fall to their knees begging Jesus Christ to save them. As for your doubts about The Word, I can see how one could fall victim to all the deceivers out there who have removed over 3000 versus and it was even more prior to them adding The Apocalypse (Revelation) back. Ironically so as it is in the book of Revelation that the fate of those who add or remove is defined. We are all on a pilgrimage here and I am praying for all mankind, will remember you for your kind wishes from the heart here tonight in my prayers. Stay safe. God bless.
Thank you brother thank you, thank you, I could not say it better myself the bull Quo primum cannot, and will not be revoked. And that Papal Bull says it all.
In 1973 I received a message in a dream I was in the new Catholic church and I walked down pathway to a gate of the old Catholic church but I got to the old Catholic church I found it total darkness
Someone asked me an important question recently. Here is the Q and A: Q: Would a valid pope have the authority to ban the TLM mass? Or no he can’t because of Quo Primum? A: That is a very good question and gets to the heart of the matter of the Modernist Crisis vs Traditional Catholicism. I’ll start with the Catholic understanding of Authority. The root word is Author. If you Author something then you have Authority over it. The Mass of Quo Primum was Authored by the Church of Rome and is therefore given to us by the Holy Ghost. There are 0.0 Popes who can touch Quo Primum and the Canon of the Mass of Trent. The Mass of Quo Primum is Sacrosanct and can NEVER be the cause of a priest or prelate’s punishment. That being said, the Mass of 1962 contains a change in the Canon such as the addition of St. Joseph’s name in the Communicantes. This means that John XXIII and the Modernists AUTHORED a NEW MASS. The first Novus Ordo Mass was the 1962 Missal. Therefore, the Modernists in Rome have AUTHORITY over the 1962 Missal. The 1962 Missal and priests who offer it ARE NOT protected by Quo Primum and are in fact under the Modernists who AUTHORED it. Therefore, Francis has every right to suppress the 1962 Missal since it is under his Supreme Modernist Authority. HOWEVER, Francis CANNOT suppress the pre-1962 Missal because that’s under the Authority of the Catholic Church and the Holy Ghost. SOLUTION: Societies and Priests who offer the 1962 Missal ARE NOT OFFERING THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS, and they can be shut down by Modernist Rome. They should be offering the pre-1962 or even better the pre-1955 Missal. OF CONSEQUENCE: Offering the Pre-1962 or pre-1955 would demonstrate a rejection of the papal claimants since 1958, and such a move would bring the Holy Cross upon them, but it will also lead to them and their laity the Resurrection and Restoration of Catholic Faith!
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None of it is... Because none of it is YHWH nor Yeshua. Does the Bible in any iteration speaks of such things? When the Old Testament predates Anceint Rome.
Ive never attended a latin mass in my life nor are there any near me. I was baptized this year so I dont really understand the appeal because I dont know anyone who attends it
I love these videos. I have not been Catholic for very long so I really appreciate these things being explained. I've been at the SSPX for a year now and won't go anywhere else.
I always get kind of creeped out just by hearing or reading the word "Rome." Fills me with negative thoughts. However, I'm very interested in religion so I guess I just have to tolerate it.
@@figurefour633what vicar of Christ? He rejects that title, because he isn't. Dr. Mazza, AB Vigano, Father Altman and many others have shown why he can't be, but his rejection of the title screams it louder than they ever could.
This is just silliness. The Mass began being prayed in a Latin when it was the language of the realm. The original language of the Church was Aramaic and then Greek. Like the Mass, none of the scriptures were written, (copied) in Latin until hundreds of years later. The language of the Mass is not a doctrine of the Church and never was, it is only a doctrine to those who oppose the Church, yet believe themselves somehow to be more Catholic than the Church. This fantasy about how perfect the Church was before Vatican II is only held by those who neither know nor understand history. Has anyone read the book of Gomorrah? What was the language of the Mass in the 12th Century when that was written by St. Peter Damien, was it not Latin? This notion that the Church was somehow stronger before Vatican II is false and represents a myopic and revisionist view of history. This is a tactic usually employed by Protestants when they critique the Church in order to promote their own doctrines. Case in point, Bishop John Carroll, our nations very first Bishop advocated for Mass in the vernacular 200 years BEFORE Vatican II; “Can there be anything more preposterous than an unknown tongue; and in this country either for want of books or inability to read, the great part of our congregations must be utterly ignorant of the meaning and sense of the public office of the Church. It may have been prudent, for aught I know, to impose a compliance in this matter with the insulting and reproachful demands of the first reformers; but to continue the practice of the Latin liturgy in the present state of things must be owing either to chimerical fears of innovation or to indolence and inattention in the first pastors of the national Churches in not joining to solicit or indeed ordain this necessary alteration.” He can hardly be considered a 1970’s liberal looking to corrupt the Church. The Church alone was given divine authority and promise of divine protection, not it’s critics. Yes, even those inside the Church. Remember, many heresies from Arian to Luther were started by so-called Catholics who thought they knew better than the Church. Catholics need to stop pointing their fingers at the splinter I. The Church’s eye and start focusing on the beam in their own. It’s time for Catholics to stop in-fighting and whining, and start acting like Saints.
Forgive me... But You can't pray and receive the body of the Saviour, if You don't speak first in latin during the Eucharist (or You don't hear the Mass in Latin)? Why all this rebellion and lose of time about this earthly question?! I don't get it. Help Me understand!
The idea of having mass in the vernacular wasn't a bad idea at the time of Vatican 2 (although Vatican 2 never intended to totally remove Latin from the Liturgy). However, since practically anybody can attain a sufficient understanding of Latin in the age of the internet, I think having masses exclusively in Latin would be a good idea. A priest can go anywhere in the world and be able to administer a mass which everybody would understand. Lay people won't even need to be fluent in Latin, they'd just need enough understanding to know the mass (Vernacular translations on paper can be provided, and learning Latin vocab is exceptionally easy if you understand English or one of the Romance languages).
It's not just about Latin. The Novus Ordo can be said in Latin and still remains substantially different from the TLM. Some key differences include: * worship ad orientem rather than facing the people. The priest faces to the East, in the same direction as the people, because the Mass is a sacrifice being offer *to* God, not to the people. * greater reverence shown to the Most Holy Eucharist. No lay Eucharistic ministers. The patens, the altar rail, reception on the tongue - all are reminders of the reality of the Eucharist. Since VII, not one word of doctrine was changed concerning Transubstantiation, yet there has been a collapse in faith in the Real Presence in NO parishes. Why? Because the praxis has changed. * the TLM raises the mind in contemplation of God. The NO does not. There are profound moments of silence in the TLM, especially the low mass. Gregorian chant appeals to the intellect rather than to the emotions. Admit it: many contemporary hymns, on top of just being poorly written, amount to self-worship. OCP, example, includes a couple of English verses with the traditional hymn Panis Angelicus. Whereas St. Thomas Aquinas exults in the Lord who serves the poor, servants, and the humble, OCP "translates" it as a challenge for us to serve the poor. NO is just noisy. Not with babies, unfortunately, (TLM had got you beat there), but with adults who chit chat during mass and jump up to talk as soon as mass is over. A few weeks back, a woman got mad at me for asking her to be silent in the communion line! There are many more differences. I encourage you to find a TLM missil and try following along the NO with it. You'll notice a great many prayers were cut. As for the accusation of rebellion - are you aware of how communion in the hand and alter girls became the norm? Disobedience. Pure and simple. God bless
@@carissstewart3211 I think the primary issue of the Novus Ordo is how different it can be. You can have reverent Novus Ordos that look very similar to TLMs, and you can have clown masses which are an incredible affront to God. Novus Ordo wouldn't be nearly as problematic as it is if parishes that practiced it stuck to more reverent parameters. It still wouldn't be as reverent as the TLM, but it would be a significant improvement to the mass. Introducing the Vernacular in the 60's was understandable given that there was a strong push for Church services to be understandable to every parishioner. However, thanks to the Internet, Latin used in the liturgy can be easily understood by practically everybody. Ultimately, the NO was well intentioned but was executed in the absolutely worst possible way by making it incredibly malleable.
@Nieden-Pilled back when I was a Protestant, I attended synagogue services in Hebrew, Orthodox liturgies in Greek, and even a mosque where the prayers were in Arabic. And yet Latin is an obstacle to Roman Catholics? I cannot attend the TLM as often as I like, yet every time I go, I pick up on more. Of course, even before the internet, there were missils to provide English translations. Not all were well intentioned. When Pius X attempted to purge the clergy of modernist heretics, many went into Liturgy studies. These were the ones who invented out of whole cloth an early Church NO. Cardinal Suenans infamously compared VII to the French and Russian revolutions. No one who knows anything about the murder and wanton destruction of those two revolutions would fail to recognize the malice in Suenans words.
@@carissstewart3211 True, there were some bad actors who were involved with formulating the NO, but its official paradigms never intended to majorly shift the liturgy of the mass. I totally agree with you on Latin. In five days, using a very basic online learning program, I learnt over one hundred unique Latin words. I’m aware that each person is going to have their own pace of learning Latin, but to understand the TLM you really just need to understand all of the vocabulary and the most basic of grammar rules. Not to mention, vernacular translations of the Latin can be easily provided.
Now that I know u r also a TLM attendee I'm really happy to of had stumbled across your channel. It is a time but in these dsys, its gonna get worse. Rejoice in it brother for at least we helped celebrate in the Mass of ancients and no one can ever take that from us. Who knows maybe it might survive, after all it is Roman...
I think we should remember this quote that Francis reportedly said in 2016: “It is not to be excluded that I will enter history as the one who split the Catholic Church.” (DER SPIEGEL)
"Death is represented as a venomous serpent. The strength of sin is the Law." - 1Cr 15, 56 As a Vietnamese, I can confirm you this thing. I was an altar boy and I never encountered the term "TLM" until recently. Even my father, who's 63, doesn't recall attending one. Interestingly, despite this, Catholicism in Vietnam is still growing , becoming the largest religion now. I love the TLM, I have attended one time by an FSSP priest; however, I also find the Novus Ordo Mass valuable for its practicality and accessibility. Some parishes tend to introduce unauthorized changes during the Novus Ordo Mass. While well-meaning, this can detract from the sacredness of the Eucharist and minimize the overall reverence. And I can understand why some people hate the N.O Mass. YES. The TLM is beautiful, and human are designed to be attracted to the beauty. Ultimately, the positive aspects I've experienced from attending the Traditional Latin Mass should also be present in the Novus Ordo. Every proper liturgical rite, in any form or language, should stir up a longing for goodness, beauty, and truth. However, there is another sacred challenge, deeper and more difficult, here. The longings that liturgy awakens and satisfies in our souls - in a particular way for some, those that the Latin Mass has specifically nurtured in them - are all good, holy, and necessary. But those longings also point us beyond liturgy. To avoid hypocrisy, we must ask ourselves: what does it mean when we can also find the same spiritual benefits that the Latin Mass offers in many other places? What can we learn from exploring the beauty of serving the poor? And can we build a mature sense of wonder and awe through caring for all of creation, our common home? To be honest, I find it difficult to answer such profound questions. I only know that I feel I am being called to question them. To answer them, we need patience, practice, and much prayer - in whatever language they are spoken.
I'm not a Christian but all these formalities of Church is quite meaningless to me. YHWH did not build a church for humans to add onto his Word. Same with Yeshua (Jesus). The baptism by the Holy Spirit is much stronger than by some gallons of water "blessed" by another human. Materialistic rather than true spiritual connection. Symbolism, but not literal. ... The Church has fallen, and it fell in two and into many denominations long ago... I support none and I denounce all. I understand the human reason but it is not of YHWH's Will. As set forth by Yeshua. Old Testament lives in the New Testament even though it's all a myth from Pre Old Testament Anceint Era.
Can the really, actually; Our Lord ‘s Mass, that He Himself set into motion to be developed over tie with the Holy Spirit. I can’t see anyone truly Catholic believing otherwise.
Went to a Novus Ordo Mass today in Germany. A lay woman gave the homily and co-blessed at the end of Mass, the first time I’ve ever seen that. Is that the alternative that Rome wants instead?
Don’t blame the pope for what you saw. You were a witness to liturgical abuse in Germany. Probably the worst place to attend a mass in the world. Stop being so emotional at the site of something you don’t agree with. Either way god will protect his church.
Who knows, maybe the time will come when Holy Spirit will want to sort out people (by banning TLM) so that it will be known for which people His Church is more important and for whom TLM is more important.
@@JanGavlas Doublespeak. That’s very dangerous stuff you are supporting. For instance I frequently go to both a Diocesan TLM and a NO any given weekend. Would I be a schematic if I drive to an SSPX Chapel 60 mile away but attend my local NO as well. Remember Francis has allowed the SSPX to continue to say the TLM and as far as I know all the Sacraments.
It's funny when Rome is not YHWH. Honestly, I do throw out all of the Church to keep true with YHWH and Yeshua. A physical Church is not needed and it's formalities are a waste of works. The church is for the people as a gathering. Not a government nor law. Neither should any church of YHWH twist or change his Word. I'm not Christian but even I know the Church has fallen further than Satan.
@@Spiritof76Catholic Doublespeak? Where? As long as TLM is enabled, I have no problem. Surely it is beautiful. If it gets banned, it's not a problem for me. I don't have a problem with TLM, but I do have a problem with people who start to undermine the authority and credibility of the Church. Because this is what Satan does. The problem is not TLM, the problem would be disobeying the Church (in the case of ban TLM) and that means disobeying Jesus.
"A person who publicly incites hatred or animosity against the Apostolic See or the Ordinary because of some act of ecclesiastical office or duty, or who provokes disobedience against them, is to be punished by interdict or other just penalties." - Canon 1373
@flabiger Bergoglio the Destroyer is the worst pope in history. Deal with it. He despises faithful Catholics, yet coddles the worst of sinners. You can submit to him, I refuse.
In your charity, lets all pray 7 Hail Mary for the propagation of all Catholic Teachings and for the success of all Catholic Social Media Influencer that all may be guided by the Holy Trinity, Holy Family, all Great Saints, and Angels
Funny... Given the Old Testament long before Anceint Rome propped up the Church. Sorry... YHWH, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit are the only ones who gain my faith. The wrest do not and will never as they are human and not God. I'm not a Christian and even though I know YHWH isn't real. I hold my respect for YHWH and no Church speaks for YHWH the One God of the Old and the New Testaments across ancient history. If a Christian is to pray, then pray to YHWH. No one else but YHWH. Even Yeshua stated this as YHWH sent Yeshua to Earth.
They went from something almost perfect to a less than version of the Mass. They are still acting like they made the correct choice with the changes. Hard to believe but the devil is strong…
Funny... Humans who try to play God by making up rules under YHWH's name. I'm not a Christian but even I denounce all who speak for me. King Solomon. The people forget what YHWH walked. So many Churches yet there is no house for the Holy Spirit within the people. Well... I mean King Solomon when he was wide under YHWH. Not before or after, when he made the book of 52 Demons. Churches have meaning. It's all human works to show off Faith or maybe something darker. The true church is what Yeshua did. Not a physical building people walk into. And as far as a physical building goes. There is only one for the Old Testament of Judaism. The chosen people of YHWH and the descendents of the chosen.
Why? It's a beautiful mass that is centuries old that uses the language of the first Christians? The conflict is happening because they keep trying to change the Catholic church into something not Catholic by banning the old liturgy, prayers, and catechisms. If they would just stop doing that and let those who want the old liturgy have it, there wouldn't be any conflict. The problem is that they see that the groups that follow the old teachings and mass of the church are growing and those that follow the new mass and new teachings are shrinking and they're trying to put a stop to it. The current leadership is almost completely materialistic. I'm thinking about the prayer intentions for today and it only asks God to meet the material needs of people, and excludes the spiritual.
I am upset they have excommunicated Archbishop Vigano, a man that I believe to be a Saint. St. Joan of Arc was also excommunicated while she was alive.
I agree totally. The Pope has no right whatsoever to ban the tridentine mass, and by the same ticket, a traditionalist pope would have no right to ban the ordinary form mass either (or claim that it is in some way invalid). If the Church has stated that it is valid, then it is valid for all time.
It’s amazing how the devil uses the free will of the hierarchy of the church to destroy the church Is evil wins I guess this wasn’t the church referred to in the Bible. Only the Eastern Orthodox remain as the church of apostolic succession
There are only two churches of YHWH. One for the Anceint Isrealites of the Old Testament. And one for Yeshua of the New Testament within the hearts of people. Not a physical building nor a group who calls themselves as divine authority. Rome... ... ... A deep anger is what I feel when Rome acts like an Authority over a religion not even from their own Greek Pantheon. The Anceint Isrealites are the only people to whom the Church was directly authorized by YHWH. While Yeshua built a new church in 3 days through his sacrifice for the New Covenant. Divine Authority?... Humans... ... ... Forgive them, YHWH when they use your Word for their own "ways". I'm not a Christian but I know YHWH and Yeshua. Although YHWH is not real. Out of respect of YHWH, I denounce all denominations. If one is to pray. Pray only to YHWH and none other. Not even to Yeshua who the Father YHWH sent to Earth. And that only Yeshua is salvation in the New Covenant. No extra steps because Lordship Salvation was undone back in the Old Testament. YHWH need not a 3rd person telling him of one's prayer.
The TLM was never forbidden or prohibited so by trying to ban a Liturgy that is Holy will be a Sin against the Holy Spirit…….What was Holy then is Holy Now and forever #Tradition of the Church
The same authority that authorized the form of the Latin Mass, can certainly get rid of it. They are the authority. The Mass from outside the Church is not valid and would simply be a show, and not a Mass. This video has so many misconceptions aimed at the uninformed
@@anthonypuccetti8779 - ......and of course his universal jurisdiction includes attacking the Holy Mass of the Ages! If old Jorge attacks the Mass of All Time and Roman Catholic Tradition & piety then he can! great stuff Anthony! Huzzah!!!!!!!!
Whatever happens, I will go along like St. Peter after Christ our Lord taught the Eucharist. I suggest for greater security of your soul, everyone else go along as well.
Pope St Pius V guaranteed the Holy Latin Mass as a right "in perpetuum" with anathemas. No one can ban it. No one. It is an integral part of Sacred Tradition and backed by Quo Primum Papal Bull.
“I am completely opposed to the error (heresy) of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition.” -Saint Pope Pius X So funny, you call the Tridentine Poison yet the Tridentine Masses are standing room only and you can feel God’s presence all around you. Then you have the Novus Ordo “services” with all sorts of blasphemy and mockery of God, where there’s enough room in the pews to fit an entire circus to watch the clown show. Yet aside from a few loud people here and there, most of us who attend the Tridentine don’t want to take away your precious Novus Ordo mass, yet you would seek to strip your “fellow Catholic” from his connection to God. But we’re the problem. Yeah, okay.
The Pope has the right to change the mass the way he sees fit, if you don’t wanna follow the pope and his authority than don’t be a Catholic, being a Catholic is to follow the authority of the pope and the church
I want to follow Christ and be Catholic. I follow the pope because that's what pleases Christ, but what do I do if the pope tells me to do something that displeases Christ, should I follow him?
To be honest, a severe restriction of tridentine liturgy would be justified, as it is weaponized too often. We will have to suffer in Silence. The church has always been in communion with Peter's successor, and Francis, for better or worse IS that successor.
Modernist Rome destroys the papacy with it ecumenism collegiality and SSPX destroys the papacy with their schismatic, picking and choosing what they want to adhere to instead of obeying their pope. Disobedience to the pope is NOT Catholic trait. Both groups are disobedient to the magesterium. IMO. However I agree with you, they do not have the authority to ban the TLM because of Pope Pius V "Quo Primum".
Southern Baptist here: I pray the Latin mass is not banned. We must never forget the New Testament was written in Greek, the Old Testament in Hebrew, and so many early church writings were in Latin. I hate how the liturgies have changed through the decades in my own faith (I’m 57). We used to have gospel fire and brimstone preaching with the old hymns of the faith - today it’s a rock and roll show with milquetoast feel good preaching. I don’t adhere to certain Catholic doctrines which I will not mention here - but I love and appreciate how beautiful Catholic Churches are and the worshipful atmosphere that they provide. Please, don’t go the way of the world like so many others have - stay true to your mass and liturgy! Believe it or not - we noncatholics and catholics need each other! in a weird way we strengthen each others faith! admit it - talking to noncatholics helps you to solidify your beliefs by having to explain and defend them. You then get a better understanding of what you believe and why. Catholics have done that for me by challenging my thinking and clearing up my misconceptions of catholic beliefs. I pray for your church and pray God would preserve your beautiful mass! i pray that my denomination will return to their roots - and your denomination can be an example and an inspiration to us! We need to get back to the Bible and our hymns of the faith! continue to lead the way Dear Catholics!
Actually, the Mass is in Latin, if there is a congregation who wants it and a priest who cares to use it. Why anyone would want to use the Tridentine version is beyond me. Its lectionary is skimpy. Only one Eucaristic prayer. Few prefaces and fewer votive masses. Litanies in wierd places like the confiteor and two litanies in the Eucaristic prayer and no place to mention the saint of the day. The Paul VI Mass is so very much richer.
I support the TLM and reject the NOM every bit but please stop calling the TLM "*the* Mass of the Catholic Church". It's the *Roman rite* Mass of the Catholic Church. The Bragan, Lyonese, Ambrosian rites in the West, the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian rites in the East - to name but a few - are also Masses of the Catholic Church. In other words, the Bragan Lyonese, Ambrosian etc. catholics in the West, the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian etc. catholics in the East are just as catholic as you, Roman-rite catholic.
Suport and attend the TLM
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TLM supporters don't worship Christ but do worship Trump.
In accordance to the Council of Trent, no one can abrogate the Latin Mass
Our Lady of Christendom, pray for us
Incorrect. Cite Trent.
Not true
@@matthewschmidt5069 It's actually the Apostolic Constitution "Quo Primum".
@aaronsomerville2124 Which Sixtus V changed, Pius X changed, and Pius XII changed. So might as well condemn the pre conciliar popes first
Anthanasius said liturgies in peoples homes, he ordained bishops in already established dioceses, he was calumniated as a renegade and rebel, like Lefebvre, by the arians (most of the bishops were Arians) -- and he's a saint.
If Francis can reverse summorum pontificum, then a future pope can reinstate it.
Why does the current pontiff want to ban it?
We just go underground and back to the Catacombs.
Francis, in my opinion, has divided the Church in a couple of ways, just like our politicians have done to our country.
@@Nefertum1000We must be obedient to the Pope!
@@figurefour633 We must obey God.
The pope is quite possibly a heretic
Eeew
@@figurefour633 Certainly! We all submit to the authority of the Pope. But we must not be silent towards these affronts and sheer hostility unto our sacred tradition.
Fr Ripperger’s new book ‘The Limits of Papal Authority over the Liturgy’ speaks to this very question. Authority - yes, Prudence - no. Keep praying all.
2 Thessalonians 2:14
Proof the Roman Government invented Jesus' story - in 12 minutes.
Our Lady of Consolation, pray for us
I bought the book, I need to read it. He certainly has prudence.
It's more accurate to say the Pope has power regarding the suppression of the Mass. He doesn't have the authority to abrogate the TLM, but in practice, he can illicitly limit it or say that it is abrogated. That doesn't give him the authority.
There are limits to our obedience to our superior's authority. If they overstep their authority and instruct us against the good and it is not directed only at a single person, then we are not obligated to obey.
All three are true in the suppression of the true Mass. No pope can prevent its celebration. Forcing the NO (even more so, only allowing the NO) is an instruction against our individual and common good. It is not about whether or not a particular person can say or hear the Mass. It's about its availability in the Universal Church.
In fact, knowing these things makes it a moral imperative for us to resist with whatever means are available to us.
St. Pius V and St. Pius X,
Pray for us.
I don't think Bergoglio cares about what is prudent.
Pachama, James Martin suffers no discipline, etc -- but people like Vigano, Lefebvre, and the "trads" are a problem? Please.
You forgot Rupnik.
@@Mary-qs8tftoo many abuses to name in one sitting
They are all schismatic. That’s not going to help you on judgement day. We must be obedient to the Pope!
@@figurefour633 Calumny is a sin.
The pachama madness has been debunked. So do not bear false witness.
James Martin must oppose the Pope (which rad trads do) or his bishop must petition the Pope. James Martin is subject to his bishop, so you must write to the bishop from James Martin.
FSSPX
Orthodoxy
I wish you had a podcast. One of my favorite channels
Thank you. Very reassuring.
The Pope can absolutely ban the Latin Mass, and if he does we will know who is actually Catholic and who sees a specific Mass as more important than the Church Itself (ie not Catholic)
The pope is a dictator and he has unchecked power to do whatever he wants with the faith.
There is no mechanism within the church to either oppose him, even if he is heretical, or to remove him from power.
Perhaps adding some checks and balances into the papacy (like allowing a two thirds majority of Cardinals and two thirds of Bishops (including those bishops who are also cardinals) to vote to remove the sitting Pope from power is something the next Pope should consider doing.
The pope does not have unchecked power. Maybe you haven’t heard but the church is protected and guided by the Holy Spirit. You want to do checks and balances against god? Good luck.
@@adrianarceo2809 Banning and/or instituting a specific Mass well within the pope's authority. If the pope banned the NO, then I wouldn't attend the NO. Same thing goes for the TLM. Its called obedience
@@adrianarceo2809
Guided, you say... Yet the Pope does this?
Evil smiles when it made Lucifer fall. It shall also make Christianity shatter even more. The Church has fallen and falls greater than Lucifer.
@@novaxdjokovic9592by your definition of obedience, we’d all be Arian.
Correct me if I'm wrong in any of the following but in practice, abolishing the Latin Mass would be challenging for several reasons:
First, the Tridentine Mass has been recognized as a sacred tradition by the Church for centuries and is still celebrated by many traditionalist communities.
Second, the Vatican II Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (Sacrosanctum Concilium) emphasizes the importance of _preserving_ and promoting liturgical traditions.
Finally, the Holy See has already acknowledged the value of the Tridentine Mass through its authorization for its continued celebration in exceptional circumstances (e.g., Summorum Pontificum, 2007).
While it is theoretically possible for a future Pope to abolish the Latin Mass via a motu proprio, it is unlikely due to practical limitations and canonical considerations. The Holy See has already demonstrated its commitment to preserving and promoting this liturgical tradition, and any attempt to abolish it would likely face significant opposition from within the Church.
I also don't see this anti-tridentine trend continuing. Once we get a Gen X or Millennial Pope, we're most likely going to see a traditional revival in the Vatican.
This is the same pope who betrayed our Chinese brethren to the ccp using the filth mccarrick as his toady, it is not to be trusted, it surrounds itself with heretics, perverts and traitors so anything is possible.
@@Nieden-Pilled my prayers are with you. As a verse in the imitation of Christ says, what man proposes God disposes. God bless.
@@gerardducharme2146 🙏🙏🙏
Your reasoning is based on a false assumption, that those in power care about tradition and pleasing God. I think their actions state otherwise.
I don't know what will happen to the Latin Mass in the West, but in my country (or at least in my city, one of the biggest in the country), one could say it has almost been banned completely. Before 2022, there was an FFSP group that conducted the Traditional Latin Mass, led by Father Laurent Demets in my city. The Mass can still be performed, but it has been so heavily restricted that Father could only perform it in his private property and is not allowed to invite anyone outside to participate 😓.
Sounds like France.
Al alone... That's no church anymore. On the cross Arameic Greek and Latin were used. You choose freely.
Protestant was forbidden too by the catholics. Now catholics TLM are forbidden. Amazing.
He baptized my second child. This is horrible what is happening.😢
You are blessed to have good bishops, not like that odious American, Strickland.
What country?
EVERY CATHOLIC MUST READ QUO PRIMUM!
Our ICKSP Canon has told me NO ONE in his order will ever offer the Novo Grosso.
Our Lady of Jasna Gora, pray for us
He is mistaken. If ordered, they and the FSSP must celebrate the Neverending Obliquities Mass or face dissolution.
The SSPX celebrates the only non-schizmatic, valid mass that is protected from the modernist assaults that intend to suppress the Mass of the Ages.
@@DystopiaFatigueI think a lot of them would go independent, hopefully the SSPX could help out if not , social media could be used to form a society much like the SSPX. This is not the old days we have the faith, energy and tools to fight this.
Fighting the authority of the Church, will land you outside of it. Even if you dodge your bishops and pope, God sees everything. I'd recommend reading the treatise of obedience by Catherine of Siena, it really changed the way I felt about the church structure, authority and obeying my superiors (whether I thought the direction they were taking was right or not)
@camillaway2884 I just wrote this on another thread:
"There are limits to our obedience to our superior's authority. If they overstep their authority and instruct us against the good and it is not directed only at a single person, then we are not obligated to obey.
All three are true in the suppression of the true Mass. No pope can prevent its celebration. Forcing the NO (even more so, only allowing the NO) is an instruction against our individual and common good. It is not about whether or not a particular person can say or hear the Mass. It's about its availability in the Universal Church.
In fact, knowing these things makes it a moral imperative for us to resist with whatever means are available to us."
If the Pope told us we had to use Oreos for hosts, would you still think we have to obey?
How about Bud Light for baptism or peanut oil for Confirmation?
St. Catherine did not call for blind obedience. And if I'm going to blindly obey, it's going to be all of the popes and saints and bishops from the last two millenia that all agree, not the popes who have instituted novel contradictions to that faith and prayed openly to pagan gods.
SSPX, as usual you can find me there. Thank you Abp. Lefebrve. Viva Cristo Rey!
maybe the orthodox had a good reason to separate? so now trads are the new orthodox?
The Orthodox are the only church that has a valid claim to the "one true church" claim, if there is such a valid claim in the first place.
The Orthodox also seem much more likely to actually practice what they preach.
I converted from SSPX/Trad Catholic to Orthodoxy this year - thanks be to God! I found nothing but holiness and Tradition.
@marcokite That's because the Orthodox actually stuck to scripture whereas the Roman Church, in a short sighted attempt to gain more power and more effectiveness in the church's own propagation, centralized all decision making power into the Pope to which all Church members owe absolute unquestioning obedience (even when the Pope teaches lies) as long as he first says the magic words (EG " I now speak as the vicar of Christ on Faith and Morals") .
The Catholics broke from the Orthodox (not the other way around) and in response the Orthodox excommunicated them.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian I think it was because of Photius that the Orthodox separated. Backed by Emperor Michael and Bardas. They persecuted Bishop Ignatius. Mother Mary always tries to set her children straight with intercessions and revelations filled with insights and warnings from heaven. Even warning the Holy father Pius XII before he was Pope.
"Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree and prohibition. Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur *the wrath of Almighty God* and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul."
Reference?
@@debbieramsey8933 Pope St. Pius V, Apostolic Constitution Quo Primum
"The sentence of the apostolic see (than which there is no higher authority) is not subject to revision by anyone,
nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment thereupon. And so
they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman pontiff." - Vatican I, 1868
He is not abrogating the Roman rite. The NO is the same rite as the tlm. There just different “forms.” The 62 and 69 missal. He would be discontinuing the 62 missal, not abrogating the Roman Rite
I can’t seem to get a clear understanding as to whether they’re trying to ban it in parishes that only offer the Latin Mass or if it will also apply to parishes that offer both the Novus Ordo AND the Vitus Ordo.
Two words: Quo Primum
Thank you for this video Brother. There's a lot of hysteria going on, and like you I celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at the SSPX and while it's not perfect it is definitely a refuge where one is needed.
Two questions about the Novus ordo- is the Blood poured out for many or is It poured out for all? Could this small change invalidate all Consecrations in the vernacular? Me? I say It is ONLY for many, as far as invalidating Consecrations, our Lord can consecrate anything He wants, but what does He read in the Priest's heart as well as the laity? There is too much at risk to guess.
Thankfully they changed it to " and for many"
Check out “work of human hands” by father Anthony cekeda
Theological error here. Tridentine mass IS NOT Sacred Tradition. Anyone or document that states this is in error. This mass was instituted in the 15th century (I believe), not in use prior, this would be a historic anachronism.
If rome has the authority to input the norvus ordo mass for what reason could they not ban the latin mass?
Just thinking if they could alter worship previously could they not just do it again?
They can try all they want to Destroy the TLM but it will never happen. The TLM is way to strong. They can remove it from the Diocese Parishes but I don't think they can close down the FSSP Parishes.
The FSSP Parishes are way to strong throughout the World.
God Willing.
Yes, but the Holy Spirit is stronger. Who knows, maybe the time will come when he will want to sort out people (by banning TLM) so that it will be known for which people His Church is more important and for whom TLM is more important.
@@JanGavlasThis is the work of bergolio not the holy spirit, the holy spirit does not guarantee anyone's personal holiness, look at John xii or the Borgia popes as examples.
@@RickW-HGWT If you are not Catholic, then I understand this point of view when you say that it is not the work of the Holy Spirit.
But you are right that the Holy Spirit does not automatically guarantee personal holiness to anyone, but this has nothing to do with what I said. That's a whole other topic.
@@JanGavlas
You question YHWH when Yeshua built the Church which is not a physical building.
Rome? You say?... ... ... The Isrealites have a better merit than all of Rome. To Judaism the Church lives on. To Christianity, the Church is within the people.
Old Testament and New Testament. The wrest is meaningless.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 This has nothing to do with the topic above, but ok.
I still haven’t gone to my first Latin mass. It’s over an hour away and I work on the day that it’s held.
Is that a tickle you're feeling in your throat? Sounds like you're coming down with something and will need to call off.
i drive 3 hours to attend, I work saturday nights and get off at 7am, then get my family to attend mass at 10, barely making it in time. But still making it. As long as your going to mass on sunday its fine, but if you really wanted to go, you would go.
Look at one online, not the same , but it will give you the sense of it.
@@Chris-jr2nu Those that love God, don't think of their own inconvenience. Well done brother, I'm sure you'll have a great badge of honor for your efforts in the next life.
The examples that you gave at the beginning of the video are matters of infallible doctrine. New popes cannot change these doctrines because they are definitionally absolutely true. Liturgical form, however, is not a doctrine but a discipline. Popes are unable to bind their successors in matters of discipline. Even if the pope then established a certain liturgical discipline, the same power used to bind then can be used to loose now by the legitimate successor to Peter.
And since the post Vatican II antipopes aren't successors, it's fine to ignore them. Cheers 🥂
This should be the top comment. Mediator Dei and Vatican I clearly delineate the Pope's power and that the liturgy is a matter of discipline subject to modification not doctrine.
NEVER NEVER NEVER ……….
Always.
Y'all might as well EO... Yall dont even wana listen to the Pope
I did! I recommend it!
@@marcokite EO is super ghey
Document released on July 16th..
Churches will decide on the strangest of things.
God does not change.
From the beginning till the end.
What would you say about a French archbishop who continued to use a liturgy that was suppressed by Pius V.
Pius V was dealing with widespread variability in liturgical worship. So many variations, novelties, and rites had been introduced on the local level to the point that liturgical uniformity was scarce. He preserved any ancient rites (i.e. those older than 200 years). The TLM qualifies as an ancient form by this metric.
You mean Paul VI?
I hope SSPX is ready to see the biggest growth they have experienced
If the Vatican reaches the goal of permanently ban the TLM, the next step will necessarily be the excommunication of the SSPX clergy and whoever attends the forbidden rite.
I became a catholic in 1970 so I have grown up (grown old?) with the Novus Ordo. I have never attended a TLM if that involves the priest with his back to the congregation) but have attended Masses where the Novus Ordo was given in Latin, which I enjoyed as it felt that I was actually taking part in something 'traditional'. However, I had the advantage of learning Latin at school so it is not too difficult to follow and there are, of course, (or were?) booklets with both vernacular and Latin available to follow. Having spoken to some old-timers, many say they didn't have the faintest idea of what the Latin Mass was about so for them Novus Ordo was a good thing. Nonetheless, I have never come across outright opposition to the Latin Mass. Whatever Mass I have attended, in English or Latin, I have never thought that God had rejected my prayers or accused me of taking Communion improperly. Having got one of those booklets referred to earlier I often read through the Mass in Latin at home so I don't know if that makes me a candidate for burning at the stake.
It has all become far too 'political' and truth and love of God is subject to following particular rules. What would you think if the Conservatives suddenly became Labour or the Republicans suddenly became Democrats? (Nothing party political intended here - just trying to give an example of how I view things). Whatever they do in the Vatican is way beyond my understanding but I don't think that counts in any way as part of the not understanding God's intentions. It's as if mere children like me don't understand what the grown-ups do but don't let it bother you as the faith is in the good of those who know best. There has always been heretical views in the past but when it is done nominally in my name from Rome I don't like it, especially when Rome has the audacity to aim to make changes irrevocable. No matter what happens I will remain a Catholic on my own terms and belief. As EWTN says 'live Catholic". To think you can have more faith in a TV station than in the Magisterium!
I hope all this makes sense.
Underground everyone! Pax Christi!
Orthodox everyone!
Absolutely yes
The stage must be set for the next scene of the playscript.
So it was written, so it shall be.
All thanks and praise be to God.
May Gods will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
The Latin Mass comes from Jesus Christ. Think someone will drop dead before the Latin Mass is banned!!! It would be the final nail in his coffin.
So much for Christianity when it's all but shattered denominations.
Satan smiles because he knows one can not serve two masters. So Christians shall serve YHWH in his ways or YHWH in human ways.
The Church shall fall further than Satan. That much is inevitable.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Satan shan't prevail, he will try, but he knows his time is limited. God shall use the feet of The Church to crush satans head, the very same Church that satan tries to infiltrate and overtake and destroy any way possible.
Soldiers don't question or interpret orders, soldiers follow and fulfill their orders loyally to the best of one's ability.
Soldiers of Christ, marching forwards.
Stay safe,
God bless.
@HillSummitHomestead
The only Church I see is of the Anceint Isrealites. Not of Rome nor any other. Set forth directly by YHWH himself.
The only Church Yeshua built was the church he paid for on the cross. It's not a physical building to be in. But of the body, of the heart of Mankind.
Rome is not the original nor the true Church of YHWH. That much is true. YHWH did not choose Rome. He chose the Anceint Isrealites, whose descendents are now building the 3rd Church in the wake of being betrayed by all nations.
I denounce the Roman Orthodox and all denominations.
I'm not Christian, but even I stay extremely close to YHWH and Yeshua. Without the need of the Bible because I can not trust anything touched by Mankind.
Have your masses in any language or in any traditional you wish. That is very human to do. But keep YHWH's Word and Yeshua closer.
There are no real Divine Athorities of YHWH. Especially Rome. Yeshua is the only one all others chosen by Yeshua when he lived are akin to Abraham but no higher.
If you are to pray. Then pray to YHWH. No one else. He needs not a 3rd hand to speak to.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 I trust everything Jesus said and did, I trust His Apostles and everything they said and did.
Jerusalem was the centre of Christianity up to 70 AD and The Apostles and the first Bishops upon which they layed their hands on and breathed on went to other places.
As for The Church in Rome, it is Apostolic, it is exactly as per God's promise to those who wish harm upon His elect.
As for other Apostolic Churches I don't see why anyone would want to turn their back on them for any reason either.
What The Apostles did on Earth was blessed in Heaven.
As for us, our fallen nature has gotten us this far, be it those that have strayed or be it those who have rejected Christ and who shall fall to their knees begging Jesus Christ to save them.
As for your doubts about The Word, I can see how one could fall victim to all the deceivers out there who have removed over 3000 versus and it was even more prior to them adding The Apocalypse (Revelation) back.
Ironically so as it is in the book of Revelation that the fate of those who add or remove is defined.
We are all on a pilgrimage here and I am praying for all mankind, will remember you for your kind wishes from the heart here tonight in my prayers.
Stay safe.
God bless.
Update: Pope Francis met with canons from ICKSP, saying to continue in their traditional charism.
I really pray not… it has changed my life. The Latin Mass is: The mass of Saints, Angels, Arch-Angels, Our Lady…….. God and so on……
@@EasternChristian333 I watch The Russia Orthodox Church, on you tube, everyday
This is HORRIFYING 😢😮❤
Thank you brother thank you, thank you, I could not say it better myself the bull Quo primum cannot, and will not be revoked. And that Papal Bull says it all.
In 1973 I received a message in a dream
I was in the new Catholic church and I walked down pathway to a gate of the old Catholic church but I got to the old Catholic church I found it total darkness
Someone asked me an important question recently. Here is the Q and A:
Q: Would a valid pope have the authority to ban the TLM mass? Or no he can’t because of Quo Primum?
A: That is a very good question and gets to the heart of the matter of the Modernist Crisis vs Traditional Catholicism.
I’ll start with the Catholic understanding of Authority. The root word is Author. If you Author something then you have Authority over it. The Mass of Quo Primum was Authored by the Church of Rome and is therefore given to us by the Holy Ghost. There are 0.0 Popes who can touch Quo Primum and the Canon of the Mass of Trent. The Mass of Quo Primum is Sacrosanct and can NEVER be the cause of a priest or prelate’s punishment.
That being said, the Mass of 1962 contains a change in the Canon such as the addition of St. Joseph’s name in the Communicantes. This means that John XXIII and the Modernists AUTHORED a NEW MASS. The first Novus Ordo Mass was the 1962 Missal. Therefore, the Modernists in Rome have AUTHORITY over the 1962 Missal. The 1962 Missal and priests who offer it ARE NOT protected by Quo Primum and are in fact under the Modernists who AUTHORED it.
Therefore, Francis has every right to suppress the 1962 Missal since it is under his Supreme Modernist Authority.
HOWEVER, Francis CANNOT suppress the pre-1962 Missal because that’s under the Authority of the Catholic Church and the Holy Ghost.
SOLUTION: Societies and Priests who offer the 1962 Missal ARE NOT OFFERING THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS, and they can be shut down by Modernist Rome. They should be offering the pre-1962 or even better the pre-1955 Missal.
OF CONSEQUENCE: Offering the Pre-1962 or pre-1955 would demonstrate a rejection of the papal claimants since 1958, and such a move would bring the Holy Cross upon them, but it will also lead to them and their laity the Resurrection and Restoration of Catholic Faith!
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Bro the TLM is not dogma 😭
None of it is... Because none of it is YHWH nor Yeshua.
Does the Bible in any iteration speaks of such things? When the Old Testament predates Anceint Rome.
Ive never attended a latin mass in my life nor are there any near me. I was baptized this year so I dont really understand the appeal because I dont know anyone who attends it
I love these videos. I have not been Catholic for very long so I really appreciate these things being explained. I've been at the SSPX for a year now and won't go anywhere else.
Why do they want to ban it?
You said Pope Pius V - he is Pope SAINT Pius V - Thank you. get the title right.
I always get kind of creeped out just by hearing or reading the word "Rome." Fills me with negative thoughts. However, I'm very interested in religion so I guess I just have to tolerate it.
Short answer, yes. But will the Pope or any Pope ban it? Short answer, no. It can and will be restricted, but not banned as it is licit.
Pope Francis said groups like fssp/ICKSP are exempt from the new document
New document hasn't come out yet. He was talking about Traditionis Custodes
If the Pope is FOR them... You need to GET OUT of those
@@ilovecatsijustlovecats3944no, we must be obedient to the Vicar of Christ.
@@figurefour633what vicar of Christ? He rejects that title, because he isn't. Dr. Mazza, AB Vigano, Father Altman and many others have shown why he can't be, but his rejection of the title screams it louder than they ever could.
@@loulasher Fr. Altman and Vegano is likely to be excommunicated soon do you want to fallow them out the church?
This is just silliness. The Mass began being prayed in a Latin when it was the language of the realm. The original language of the Church was Aramaic and then Greek. Like the Mass, none of the scriptures were written, (copied) in Latin until hundreds of years later. The language of the Mass is not a doctrine of the Church and never was, it is only a doctrine to those who oppose the Church, yet believe themselves somehow to be more Catholic than the Church. This fantasy about how perfect the Church was before Vatican II is only held by those who neither know nor understand history. Has anyone read the book of Gomorrah? What was the language of the Mass in the 12th Century when that was written by St. Peter Damien, was it not Latin? This notion that the Church was somehow stronger before Vatican II is false and represents a myopic and revisionist view of history. This is a tactic usually employed by Protestants when they critique the Church in order to promote their own doctrines. Case in point, Bishop John Carroll, our nations very first Bishop advocated for Mass in the vernacular 200 years BEFORE Vatican II; “Can there be anything more preposterous than an unknown tongue; and in this country either for want of books or inability to read, the great part of our congregations must be utterly ignorant of the meaning and sense of the public office of the Church. It may have been prudent, for aught I know, to impose a compliance in this matter with the insulting and reproachful demands of the first reformers; but to continue the practice of the Latin liturgy in the present state of things must be owing either to chimerical fears of innovation or to indolence and inattention in the first pastors of the national Churches in not joining to solicit or indeed ordain this necessary alteration.” He can hardly be considered a 1970’s liberal looking to corrupt the Church. The Church alone was given divine authority and promise of divine protection, not it’s critics. Yes, even those inside the Church. Remember, many heresies from Arian to Luther were started by so-called Catholics who thought they knew better than the Church. Catholics need to stop pointing their fingers at the splinter I. The Church’s eye and start focusing on the beam in their own. It’s time for Catholics to stop in-fighting and whining, and start acting like Saints.
Forgive me...
But You can't pray and receive the body of the Saviour, if You don't speak first in latin during the Eucharist (or You don't hear the Mass in Latin)?
Why all this rebellion and lose of time about this earthly question?!
I don't get it. Help Me understand!
The idea of having mass in the vernacular wasn't a bad idea at the time of Vatican 2 (although Vatican 2 never intended to totally remove Latin from the Liturgy). However, since practically anybody can attain a sufficient understanding of Latin in the age of the internet, I think having masses exclusively in Latin would be a good idea. A priest can go anywhere in the world and be able to administer a mass which everybody would understand. Lay people won't even need to be fluent in Latin, they'd just need enough understanding to know the mass (Vernacular translations on paper can be provided, and learning Latin vocab is exceptionally easy if you understand English or one of the Romance languages).
It's not just about Latin. The Novus Ordo can be said in Latin and still remains substantially different from the TLM. Some key differences include:
* worship ad orientem rather than facing the people. The priest faces to the East, in the same direction as the people, because the Mass is a sacrifice being offer *to* God, not to the people.
* greater reverence shown to the Most Holy Eucharist. No lay Eucharistic ministers. The patens, the altar rail, reception on the tongue - all are reminders of the reality of the Eucharist. Since VII, not one word of doctrine was changed concerning Transubstantiation, yet there has been a collapse in faith in the Real Presence in NO parishes. Why? Because the praxis has changed.
* the TLM raises the mind in contemplation of God. The NO does not. There are profound moments of silence in the TLM, especially the low mass. Gregorian chant appeals to the intellect rather than to the emotions. Admit it: many contemporary hymns, on top of just being poorly written, amount to self-worship. OCP, example, includes a couple of English verses with the traditional hymn Panis Angelicus. Whereas St. Thomas Aquinas exults in the Lord who serves the poor, servants, and the humble, OCP "translates" it as a challenge for us to serve the poor. NO is just noisy. Not with babies, unfortunately, (TLM had got you beat there), but with adults who chit chat during mass and jump up to talk as soon as mass is over. A few weeks back, a woman got mad at me for asking her to be silent in the communion line!
There are many more differences. I encourage you to find a TLM missil and try following along the NO with it. You'll notice a great many prayers were cut.
As for the accusation of rebellion - are you aware of how communion in the hand and alter girls became the norm? Disobedience. Pure and simple.
God bless
@@carissstewart3211 I think the primary issue of the Novus Ordo is how different it can be. You can have reverent Novus Ordos that look very similar to TLMs, and you can have clown masses which are an incredible affront to God. Novus Ordo wouldn't be nearly as problematic as it is if parishes that practiced it stuck to more reverent parameters. It still wouldn't be as reverent as the TLM, but it would be a significant improvement to the mass. Introducing the Vernacular in the 60's was understandable given that there was a strong push for Church services to be understandable to every parishioner. However, thanks to the Internet, Latin used in the liturgy can be easily understood by practically everybody. Ultimately, the NO was well intentioned but was executed in the absolutely worst possible way by making it incredibly malleable.
@Nieden-Pilled back when I was a Protestant, I attended synagogue services in Hebrew, Orthodox liturgies in Greek, and even a mosque where the prayers were in Arabic. And yet Latin is an obstacle to Roman Catholics? I cannot attend the TLM as often as I like, yet every time I go, I pick up on more. Of course, even before the internet, there were missils to provide English translations.
Not all were well intentioned. When Pius X attempted to purge the clergy of modernist heretics, many went into Liturgy studies. These were the ones who invented out of whole cloth an early Church NO. Cardinal Suenans infamously compared VII to the French and Russian revolutions. No one who knows anything about the murder and wanton destruction of those two revolutions would fail to recognize the malice in Suenans words.
@@carissstewart3211 True, there were some bad actors who were involved with formulating the NO, but its official paradigms never intended to majorly shift the liturgy of the mass. I totally agree with you on Latin. In five days, using a very basic online learning program, I learnt over one hundred unique Latin words. I’m aware that each person is going to have their own pace of learning Latin, but to understand the TLM you really just need to understand all of the vocabulary and the most basic of grammar rules. Not to mention, vernacular translations of the Latin can be easily provided.
No
Now that I know u r also a TLM attendee I'm really happy to of had stumbled across your channel. It is a time but in these dsys, its gonna get worse. Rejoice in it brother for at least we helped celebrate in the Mass of ancients and no one can ever take that from us. Who knows maybe it might survive, after all it is Roman...
For his garments ... (claims to his authority given to him by God, Patris omnipotentus)) ... they cast lots.
I don’t get it, why the church is banning Latin Mass but at the same the novo desodo is bad either so… I don’t get it
No he does not. Anyone who thinks he does is either in error due to ignorance, or a traitor.
Click bait rumors that only enrich the channel operator.
I think we should remember this quote that Francis reportedly said in 2016: “It is not to be excluded that I will enter history as the one who split the Catholic Church.” (DER SPIEGEL)
Neither TLM nor Novus Ordo should be banned. Neither should either form be mandatory.
"Death is represented as a venomous serpent. The strength of sin is the Law." - 1Cr 15, 56
As a Vietnamese, I can confirm you this thing. I was an altar boy and I never encountered the term "TLM" until recently. Even my father, who's 63, doesn't recall attending one. Interestingly, despite this, Catholicism in Vietnam is still growing , becoming the largest religion now.
I love the TLM, I have attended one time by an FSSP priest; however, I also find the Novus Ordo Mass valuable for its practicality and accessibility.
Some parishes tend to introduce unauthorized changes during the Novus Ordo Mass. While well-meaning, this can detract from the sacredness of the Eucharist and minimize the overall reverence. And I can understand why some people hate the N.O Mass.
YES. The TLM is beautiful, and human are designed to be attracted to the beauty. Ultimately, the positive aspects I've experienced from attending the Traditional Latin Mass should also be present in the Novus Ordo. Every proper liturgical rite, in any form or language, should stir up a longing for goodness, beauty, and truth.
However, there is another sacred challenge, deeper and more difficult, here. The longings that liturgy awakens and satisfies in our souls - in a particular way for some, those that the Latin Mass has specifically nurtured in them - are all good, holy, and necessary. But those longings also point us beyond liturgy.
To avoid hypocrisy, we must ask ourselves: what does it mean when we can also find the same spiritual benefits that the Latin Mass offers in many other places? What can we learn from exploring the beauty of serving the poor? And can we build a mature sense of wonder and awe through caring for all of creation, our common home?
To be honest, I find it difficult to answer such profound questions. I only know that I feel I am being called to question them. To answer them, we need patience, practice, and much prayer - in whatever language they are spoken.
I'm not a Christian but all these formalities of Church is quite meaningless to me.
YHWH did not build a church for humans to add onto his Word. Same with Yeshua (Jesus).
The baptism by the Holy Spirit is much stronger than by some gallons of water "blessed" by another human. Materialistic rather than true spiritual connection.
Symbolism, but not literal.
... The Church has fallen, and it fell in two and into many denominations long ago... I support none and I denounce all. I understand the human reason but it is not of YHWH's Will. As set forth by Yeshua.
Old Testament lives in the New Testament even though it's all a myth from Pre Old Testament Anceint Era.
They have already done it in the past
They only tried in the past unsuccessfully!! Get your facts straight!!! Proof is the Latin Mass exists today. Flawed logic!!!
Original.... Was on the cross in Hebrew (Arameic) Greek and Latin. You're free to choose. Original was I think Arameic.
Pius V says no. Quo Primum
Can the really, actually; Our Lord ‘s Mass, that He Himself set into motion to be developed over tie with the Holy Spirit.
I can’t see anyone truly Catholic believing otherwise.
Went to a Novus Ordo Mass today in Germany. A lay woman gave the homily and co-blessed at the end of Mass, the first time I’ve ever seen that. Is that the alternative that Rome wants instead?
Satanic modernist mockery of Divine Service!
Don’t blame the pope for what you saw. You were a witness to liturgical abuse in Germany. Probably the worst place to attend a mass in the world. Stop being so emotional at the site of something you don’t agree with. Either way god will protect his church.
Bugini wanted this. He was a mason on the Propaganda Due list exposed by the Pecarelli list.
If it should occur and my bishop comply then I would have no issue joining SSPX or SSPV!!!!
Peter has the keys, remember?🤷♂️
The BISHOPS have the keys and the authority to bind and loose.
@@marcokite say Peter in my Bible 🤷♂️You must be Eastern Orthodox 😎
Traditionis Oppugnatores is an illict document, which means it is not binding.
Nothing is valid what is going out of Borgolio.
You mean Pope Francis, the Vicar of Christ?
Who knows, maybe the time will come when Holy Spirit will want to sort out people (by banning TLM) so that it will be known for which people His Church is more important and for whom TLM is more important.
Are you implying that only those who go to NO mass are in communion with the Church and those who prefer the TLM are all schematics?
@@Spiritof76Catholic TLM is not banned so no. But we will see what happen in the future.
@@JanGavlas Doublespeak. That’s very dangerous stuff you are supporting. For instance I frequently go to both a Diocesan TLM and a NO any given weekend. Would I be a schematic if I drive to an SSPX Chapel 60 mile away but attend my local NO as well. Remember Francis has allowed the SSPX to continue to say the TLM and as far as I know all the Sacraments.
It's funny when Rome is not YHWH.
Honestly, I do throw out all of the Church to keep true with YHWH and Yeshua. A physical Church is not needed and it's formalities are a waste of works.
The church is for the people as a gathering. Not a government nor law. Neither should any church of YHWH twist or change his Word.
I'm not Christian but even I know the Church has fallen further than Satan.
@@Spiritof76Catholic Doublespeak? Where? As long as TLM is enabled, I have no problem. Surely it is beautiful. If it gets banned, it's not a problem for me. I don't have a problem with TLM, but I do have a problem with people who start to undermine the authority and credibility of the Church. Because this is what Satan does.
The problem is not TLM, the problem would be disobeying the Church (in the case of ban TLM) and that means disobeying Jesus.
FJB
"A person who publicly incites hatred or animosity against the Apostolic See or the Ordinary because of some act of ecclesiastical office or duty, or who provokes disobedience against them, is to be punished by interdict or other just penalties." - Canon 1373
@flabiger Bergoglio the Destroyer is the worst pope in history. Deal with it. He despises faithful Catholics, yet coddles the worst of sinners. You can submit to him, I refuse.
In your charity, lets all pray 7 Hail Mary for the propagation of all Catholic Teachings and for the success of all Catholic Social Media Influencer that all may be guided by the Holy Trinity, Holy Family, all Great Saints, and Angels
Funny... Given the Old Testament long before Anceint Rome propped up the Church.
Sorry... YHWH, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit are the only ones who gain my faith. The wrest do not and will never as they are human and not God.
I'm not a Christian and even though I know YHWH isn't real. I hold my respect for YHWH and no Church speaks for YHWH the One God of the Old and the New Testaments across ancient history.
If a Christian is to pray, then pray to YHWH. No one else but YHWH. Even Yeshua stated this as YHWH sent Yeshua to Earth.
They went from something almost perfect to a less than version of the Mass. They are still acting like they made the correct choice with the changes. Hard to believe but the devil is strong…
Funny... Humans who try to play God by making up rules under YHWH's name.
I'm not a Christian but even I denounce all who speak for me.
King Solomon. The people forget what YHWH walked. So many Churches yet there is no house for the Holy Spirit within the people.
Well... I mean King Solomon when he was wide under YHWH. Not before or after, when he made the book of 52 Demons.
Churches have meaning. It's all human works to show off Faith or maybe something darker.
The true church is what Yeshua did. Not a physical building people walk into. And as far as a physical building goes. There is only one for the Old Testament of Judaism. The chosen people of YHWH and the descendents of the chosen.
They already banned it de facto after VCII, just not de juris.
Daviyan vahasagaa hasthaya ohu bava keevama ohu svabhaavika vipath adu kireemata panath hadanava vanuvata karannaa monavadha ohugaa kriyava mokakdha maa tharam kwuva adu panath hadanna adu panath hadanna ohuva athara man karannaa kwudha
No more warring! TLM shouldn't be banned! 🇻🇦🇮🇳
Why? It's a beautiful mass that is centuries old that uses the language of the first Christians?
The conflict is happening because they keep trying to change the Catholic church into something not Catholic by banning the old liturgy, prayers, and catechisms. If they would just stop doing that and let those who want the old liturgy have it, there wouldn't be any conflict.
The problem is that they see that the groups that follow the old teachings and mass of the church are growing and those that follow the new mass and new teachings are shrinking and they're trying to put a stop to it.
The current leadership is almost completely materialistic. I'm thinking about the prayer intentions for today and it only asks God to meet the material needs of people, and excludes the spiritual.
@@richardditty5318 pope should concentrate on souls of catholics to make them confront the heaven not g7, communist meetings.
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I am upset they have excommunicated Archbishop Vigano, a man that I believe to be a Saint. St. Joan of Arc was also excommunicated while she was alive.
H E Double Hockey Sticks NO !!!
I agree totally. The Pope has no right whatsoever to ban the tridentine mass, and by the same ticket, a traditionalist pope would have no right to ban the ordinary form mass either (or claim that it is in some way invalid). If the Church has stated that it is valid, then it is valid for all time.
The Pope if for a time, the Latin Mass is for all times.Quit fake Pope Francis, QUIT.
Novos ordo correct your latin
It’s amazing how the devil uses the free will of the hierarchy of the church to destroy the church Is evil wins I guess this wasn’t the church referred to in the Bible. Only the Eastern Orthodox remain as the church of apostolic succession
There are only two churches of YHWH. One for the Anceint Isrealites of the Old Testament. And one for Yeshua of the New Testament within the hearts of people. Not a physical building nor a group who calls themselves as divine authority.
Rome... ... ... A deep anger is what I feel when Rome acts like an Authority over a religion not even from their own Greek Pantheon.
The Anceint Isrealites are the only people to whom the Church was directly authorized by YHWH. While Yeshua built a new church in 3 days through his sacrifice for the New Covenant.
Divine Authority?... Humans... ... ... Forgive them, YHWH when they use your Word for their own "ways".
I'm not a Christian but I know YHWH and Yeshua. Although YHWH is not real. Out of respect of YHWH, I denounce all denominations.
If one is to pray. Pray only to YHWH and none other. Not even to Yeshua who the Father YHWH sent to Earth. And that only Yeshua is salvation in the New Covenant. No extra steps because Lordship Salvation was undone back in the Old Testament.
YHWH need not a 3rd person telling him of one's prayer.
The TLM was never forbidden or prohibited so by trying to ban a Liturgy that is Holy will be a Sin against the Holy Spirit…….What was Holy then is Holy Now and forever #Tradition of the Church
If the Antipope Francis will do this I will leave my catholic church and just provide financial support for fsspx!
Is the fsspx a Catholic church?
@@adrianarceo2809 maybe it is the part of catholicism that will survive and keep the faith for future generations!
If your church set a precedent of disobedience to the current pope it will do so again and again and again. You will be Protestants.
The same authority that authorized the form of the Latin Mass, can certainly get rid of it. They are the authority.
The Mass from outside the Church is not valid and would simply be a show, and not a Mass. This video has so many misconceptions aimed at the uninformed
Right. A lot of trads think they can be true Catholics while rejecting the Roman pontiff who has universal jurisdiction over the Church.
@@anthonypuccetti8779 - ......and of course his universal jurisdiction includes attacking the Holy Mass of the Ages! If old Jorge attacks the Mass of All Time and Roman Catholic Tradition & piety then he can! great stuff Anthony! Huzzah!!!!!!!!
I like the Novus Ordo.
Bergolio, i don't recognize your authority and i don't respect u anymore.
No Rome with respect doesn't have the right because of Quo Primum, I think its called that.
Whatever happens, I will go along like St. Peter after Christ our Lord taught the Eucharist. I suggest for greater security of your soul, everyone else go along as well.
🙄🙄🙄It's strange how all the new mass people are damned and couldn't possibly know the Lord. Only the Latin mass people are saved.
Pope St Pius V guaranteed the Holy Latin Mass as a right "in perpetuum" with anathemas. No one can ban it. No one. It is an integral part of Sacred Tradition and backed by Quo Primum Papal Bull.
According to the Lord, the Pope has the power to bind and to loosen. I hope and pray the poison that the Ladin Mass has become, is finally abrogated.
“I am completely opposed to the error (heresy) of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition.” -Saint Pope Pius X
So funny, you call the Tridentine Poison yet the Tridentine Masses are standing room only and you can feel God’s presence all around you. Then you have the Novus Ordo “services” with all sorts of blasphemy and mockery of God, where there’s enough room in the pews to fit an entire circus to watch the clown show.
Yet aside from a few loud people here and there, most of us who attend the Tridentine don’t want to take away your precious Novus Ordo mass, yet you would seek to strip your “fellow Catholic” from his connection to God. But we’re the problem. Yeah, okay.
According to the Lord, the BISHOPS have the power to bind and to loosen
The Pope has the right to change the mass the way he sees fit, if you don’t wanna follow the pope and his authority than don’t be a Catholic, being a Catholic is to follow the authority of the pope and the church
Correct💯
Yep, completely true.
I want to follow Christ and be Catholic. I follow the pope because that's what pleases Christ, but what do I do if the pope tells me to do something that displeases Christ, should I follow him?
A Catholic must follow Scripture, Magisterial Teachings and Tradition. Likewise the Pope is bound by these 3 sources of God's revelation.
That's why I became Orthodox - you're right!
The final solution, YIKES 😮! The term sounds sinister, especially given what happened in the 1940s!
To be honest, a severe restriction of tridentine liturgy would be justified, as it is weaponized too often. We will have to suffer in Silence.
The church has always been in communion with Peter's successor, and Francis, for better or worse IS that successor.
Modernist Rome destroys the papacy with it ecumenism collegiality and SSPX destroys the papacy with their schismatic, picking and choosing what they want to adhere to instead of obeying their pope. Disobedience to the pope is NOT Catholic trait. Both groups are disobedient to the magesterium. IMO. However I agree with you, they do not have the authority to ban the TLM because of Pope Pius V "Quo Primum".
Southern Baptist here: I pray the Latin mass is not banned. We must never forget the New Testament was written in Greek, the Old Testament in Hebrew, and so many early church writings were in Latin. I hate how the liturgies have changed through the decades in my own faith (I’m 57). We used to have gospel fire and brimstone preaching with the old hymns of the faith - today it’s a rock and roll show with milquetoast feel good preaching. I don’t adhere to certain Catholic doctrines which I will not mention here - but I love and appreciate how beautiful Catholic Churches are and the worshipful atmosphere that they provide. Please, don’t go the way of the world like so many others have - stay true to your mass and liturgy! Believe it or not - we noncatholics and catholics need each other! in a weird way we strengthen each others faith! admit it - talking to noncatholics helps you to solidify your beliefs by having to explain and defend them. You then get a better understanding of what you believe and why. Catholics have done that for me by challenging my thinking and clearing up my misconceptions of catholic beliefs. I pray for your church and pray God would preserve your beautiful mass! i pray that my denomination will return to their roots - and your denomination can be an example and an inspiration to us! We need to get back to the Bible and our hymns of the faith! continue to lead the way Dear Catholics!
Actually, the Mass is in Latin, if there is a congregation who wants it and a priest who cares to use it. Why anyone would want to use the Tridentine version is beyond me. Its lectionary is skimpy. Only one Eucaristic prayer. Few prefaces and fewer votive masses. Litanies in wierd places like the confiteor and two litanies in the Eucaristic prayer and no place to mention the saint of the day. The Paul VI Mass is so very much richer.
I support the TLM and reject the NOM every bit but please stop calling the TLM "*the* Mass of the Catholic Church". It's the *Roman rite* Mass of the Catholic Church. The Bragan, Lyonese, Ambrosian rites in the West, the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian rites in the East - to name but a few - are also Masses of the Catholic Church. In other words, the Bragan Lyonese, Ambrosian etc. catholics in the West, the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian etc. catholics in the East are just as catholic as you, Roman-rite catholic.