Which Motorcycle Manufacturer is Best? [Laboratory Test]
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- In today’s episode of Pissing Off Motorcycle Manufacturers, we’ve decided to go ahead and lab test every big brand’s manufacturing hygiene under their very noses. The results might surprise you.
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Ryan is literally the only person on CZcams who can talk scientifically about dirty oil for seven and a half minutes and have my full attention and leave me wanting more 😂
"That's what she said " 🤣
Project Farm is even better, while I love this video project farm has a dozen videos testing various oils in various conditions.
It's not science everything that is done methodical.
I don't have a motorcycle. I'm not even really "into" motorcycles, but man oh man do I sit through practically every video Ryan makes. Production quality, information, and entertainment is sublime, and I just can't stop myself.
and that's what she said
"The Chinese knockoffs are so poorly executed they escape copyright law"
Copyright? He probably meant patent law; if not utility patent, then at least design patent infringement, but not certainly copyright.
@@generalyellor2187 But we know what he meant.........
I had to pause the video and laugh a while 😂
@@generalyellor2187 I think "Copyright" was probably used for the word "copy" since the Chinese copy all the time
The message was basically "they copy and can't even do it properly"
@@lecoureurdesbois86 I think it was more like "they copy so badly no-one wants to accuse them of copying, because it would make the original seem shit".
Really mind blowing how Royal Enfield is able to bring a level of quality to the game while simultaneously being some of the cheapest new bikes on the road today.
I'm old enough to (just barely) remember when Japanese cars were derided as cheap and badly built and No Fun, back in the 70s.
We see how that turned out. I feel like RE is in just about that same position. The ONLY real problem they're going to have is the sticker shock buyers have when they find out the actual cost of ownership -- scheduled service for even a $4800 Classic 350 is eye-watering. If you hit the mileage thresholds in 3 years, you'll spend about 40% of the cost of the bike itself, which is NUTS.
I mean, I still bought the bike. But RE should consider bumping the price a little and rolling in some of the service costs for the buyer, to reduce this "it costs HOW MUCH???" moment.
@Chet! I am happy to live in India, lol. I have a suzuki scooter, the labour costs of first 4 services is free, and warranties are insane. In fact, Japanese brands have a shorter warranty periods than Indian brands. Hero and TVS for an example offer 5 years of warranty or 50k km on some of their models. I guess, insane competition forces companies' hands. Enfields are expensive to maintain by Indian standards.
@@uberchet2 dude
1.Royal Enfields(Classic 350 BS6 2020)- service is just 25$ for oil and oil filter which lasts for 5000kms/3106 miles or 6months .- GENERAL MAINTENANCE
2. 35$ for a sprocket, 12$ for spark plug 75$Both tyres.- EVERY 3-4 YEARS OR TILL WEAR.
3. they are very cheap to maintain and they give good economy for their torque.
4.if there are any other repairs rather than this you don't know how to drive.
Note- i am converting prices here in India to dollars, maybe it is costly in NA/Europe.
The issue is that RE can’t keep the oil in their bikes so I guess it doesn’t matter? In the case of my RE.
@@JDGage they achieve great mileage if you service it in the required intervals and these issues are very rare
I’m shocked you guys found a Harley with enough oil in it to get a oil sample! 🤣
Seriously, dude? 1970 is calling; it wants its joke back. This one stopped being funny when Harleys stopped leaking oil, about 35 years ago. Ride what you like man, not like anyone else gives a damn; but if you’re going make a pathetic attempt at humour, at least try to make it relevant, or the joke’s on you.
@@timberwolfdtproductions3890 you must be pissed because you are stuck in heat on the side of the road with your Harley with no oil xD
@@RR9sf Ever since elementary school, I’ve been aware of a certain group of people who are so desperately insecure that they feel compelled to mock the “cool” people in hopes of improving their own stature, but of course cool people just don’t care. I’ve ridden several different bikes, liked ‘em all, and I’m still the same guy who started on a mini-bike. For the past 20+ years I’ve been riding Harley-Davidsons, which, according to popular opinion, is what the “cool” people ride, but of course that’s a load of B.S. Being cool has nothing to do with what you ride, it’s a state of mind. Being cool means doing your own thing, and not giving a fuck about what anyone else thinks. Give it a try. You’ll feel better about yourself, and you’ll find more people laughing with you instead of at you.
BTW, first Harley, 97,000 km, traded it in, second Harley, 113,000 km, still going strong. No breakdowns, no oil loss, neither one cost me a dime outside regular maintenance, tires, brakes.
Best of luck with your insecurity problem; hope you can grow out of it.
Damn🤣🤣🤣
@@timberwolfdtproductions3890 this channel makes soo much money regardless of a bad joke so the joke is on you.
Good! So now we know the oil that leaks from KTMs is at least clean! ;)
I know right!
My KTM doesn't leak at all but I would still go for my Kawasaki or Suzuki that I had over the KTM....
I own a few KTMs and I felt that 😭
@@codenamenoob4973 Sorry :| At least they're not Ying Xiang?
My KTM has never leaked either.
The one Ying Xiang bike owner: *Heavy sweating.*
Probably paid very little for it. You get what you pay for. Oh wait Ducati and Aprilia owners pay through the nose.
You don't buy Chinese bike with intent to keep it forever. You buy a cheap bike to trash the shit out of it. And trust me, lot of other parts will fail way before that engine does.
@@piciak Not very sustainable to buy a bike you know will get scraped in a few years...
He shouldn't worry. I added a Bashan Storm 250 to my fleet 6 years and roughly 15,000 miles ago, and although it is crap the motor is impossible to kill. I've gone through brake master cylinders yearly, and all the rubber parts are trash. It is however the best buddy bike ever, and it handles redline for 5 hours straight no problem. Not bad for 2k.
@@piciak let me rephrase your comment... You don't buy Chinese bikes IN THE USA with intent to keep it forever.
In latin america a chinese bike is the go-to for people who want a vehicle to move from and to work, an also for people who work as deliveries, or any bike-related job...
The prices here are absolutely ridicolous, f.e. a yamaha R6 2020 costs 30000USD... a 110cc chinese bike costs 1500USD and a Yamaha 110cc is 300 dollars more expensive... People wont learn that is better to buy a Japanese branded bike, -even though those are a little bit more expensive-, and those will last longer and at the end, you'll end up spending more money on a chinese bike...
That's why us bikers want to scape from Latin America hehe...
Having just bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan, I am glad to see they’re sitting right there at the top.
I’ve had a Himalayan for three months now. I love re
It's a good looking bike. I almost bought one at first sight, but the timing wasn't perfect financially and then there was Enfield's reputation. Got a KLR shortly after that instead. No regrets, but the Himalayan looks cooler. Interesting to learn that it's a good bike.
That is one wonderful bike!!! It literally rules the Himalayan trails!
Rest of RE bikes are a different story, this particular 650 is designed in europe
@@sarath324 And?
Me who just got his royal Enfield: I've seen enough, I'm satisfied
That's what every owner of a newly aquired bike claims. Rate again after 50 tkm
@@franktechmaniac7488 after 40,000 KM ,im very satisfied
iS ThAT a j0JO RefErEncE?!?!?!?
Same goes with me, 70,000 kms and still going good.
How about now, today?
If I was Enfield's CEO, I'd show this video in dealerships 24/7. I knew they revamped their production lines buy wasn't expecting this.
A bike is more than its engine though... it lacks build quality in other areas
@@MrFatpenguin shocks mostly
@@dominator146 bro everybody replaces the shocks anyways
The bike is fantastic at its price point. Leave it alone so more people can afford a nice bike. The aftermarket can solve any deficiencies if the time come that you feel you must address them. I am speaking as an owner of an Interceptor 650.
@@MrFatpenguin Right.. so the engine is vindicated so let's crap on the other parts of the bike.
"Italian machining is done after a 3 hour liquid lunch" 😆
I've pulled over to help stranded bikers on the last three years. Each of them was a Harley...
@@arviragus That might have been the maintenance, not necessarily the production tolerances....
@@arviragus Haha, should carry a shirt that has the old Honda phrase "You meet the nicest people on a Honda" of course that only works if you ride a Honda.. and perhaps promote looking at them and while servicing them talk to them how (not) often you need to change oil in a Not-A-Harley , or something, either way.. make sure the shift is a size XL or above and Red.
(It will fit the Harley riders I've seen and met, and at least match their red hat if they live in Florida or Georgia where I've seen the most red hat Harley riders.)
@@arviragus must account for the fact that most bikes in the US are Harleys to begin with.
Can confirm
Thanks Ryan. I literally changed the oil and filter on my RE Interceptor 650 today. I also changed my XJR 1300’s oil and filter so was able to compare. My very un-scientific observations backed up your findings. The Enfield’s oil was still honey coloured, the Yamaha a dark shade of brown. Both bikes were changed at 12 months. The Enfield had done more than twice the kms of the Yamaha in that 12 month period. I rate both of these bikes, just interesting to note the comparison. Also, the oil and filter change on the Interceptor took me 15 minutes (spin on filter, easy acess drain plug), the XJR, 45 minutes (internal oil filter, two ‘O’ rings to change and a lot of clean up required). Royal Enfield are changing the stereotype and deserve the commendations they are getting. Thanks for your amazing quality content.
I should add the comparison is probably unfair to the XJR being a 20 year old bike with 50,000km on the clock to the Interceptor 650’s 11,000km and being just two years old. No offence to XJR owners intended!
The oil in my FJR1300 comes out little darker after 4 or 5 thousand miles than it went in.
@@clarkstreetcustoms6775 if the xjr is your older bike and has ran more kms then shouldn't it be giving off lesser particulates as the pistons would already be at place. I thought that's why manufacturers tell you to not red line a vehicle until first 5 or 10k kms. Correct me if I am wrong.
@@arnavsadhu I'd imagine you get an inverse bell curve of age vs particulates - it's impossible to manufacture cost effectively in such a way as to produce perfect parts, so those first few thousand kms you're dealing with the manufacturing imperfections being ironed/ground out.
Then you get a sweet spot where everything is going to run smooth, those subtle alignments have happened and you're minimising the particulate breaking down into the oil...but you're still getting some, which is where the next set of issues arise.
Because you're still getting some wear (just a fact of life, nothing can be done about it) you're going to wear your way through that sweet spot, and past those ideal tolerances, gradually introducing more and more degradation and thus particulate.
@@arnavsadhu wrong, its only 1k km to 1.5k kms at most.
The learning point is: Do that first oil change early to flush the gunk. Do the second one when you should have done the first.
Old school thinking. This proves that except for a few, you are just wasting oil.
@@billygraham2132 wot?
And if you are buying secondhand, buy from an old guy who will be old-school 'mechanically empathetic' and will have over-done the oi-change schedule.
@@donaldasayers Ignore. Knows not what he's saying...obviously.
Royal Enfield has a 300 mile first oil change. They know what they're doing.
Germany: "We're within .5 microns of tolerance." U.S.- " Do you mean inches?" Italy~"our tolerances create themselves."
National stereotypes are cheap and profitable for clickbait content, and this guy (together with his fellow "scientist") is scraping the barrel. He's the millennial version of Scotty Kilmer.
@@arnoldd7073 because they are overengineered in the way that there is a lot to break, since ever. Even their tanks were engineer marvels but a nightmare to repair on the battlefield.
@@frankdogui7195 Found the butthurt US American or Italian.
@@jorgecosta95 Yeah, right Buddy. There you've it - The "Ex Vet" which outed himself as "Not ever near the Military".
The Leopard 2 has one of the most easiest to maintain Engines around - Especially in contrast to the Gas Turbin of the Abrams which breaks in regions like the Iraq down every few hundred Miles. But only after they reduced his output and installed Sand Filters - Because before that, it could be happen that the Infantary was faster than the Tanks.
Anyway - Most things which "break" nowadays at German Cars are actually copied from US Companies like GM or rather ... Wanted by them. It's the USA Model of Buisness, to generate more money, to generate more growth and so on.
What A D said about the reliability is kinda wrong anyway - Sure, you will find some German Models (Like you do also find some Japanese ones) on the negative end of the spectrum. But usual, Mercedes, Audi and BMW are togeteher wie Toyota, Mitsubishi and Honda (Suzuki at their small Cars) are on the rather "realiable" end of it.
You notice that VW isn't there? Right. GM Buddy, GM and alot of influence of US Americans.
Remember; Capitalism only works if there's growth and you need always a great amount of it if you wanna make money in a Capitalistic System.
@@arnoldd7073 I'm not much of a motorcycle guy but I am a gunnut and even there it's no secret that Germans build for precision and not for durability. Even the most precise watches break with a little dirt
Very well done to Royal Enfield's engineers, they've done a great job on these bikes.
Indeed, all those Indian engineers in Chennai and the ex Triumph ones in Leicestershire UK👍🏍
Yeah, well... We engineers have little to do with that, when we design a motor or any other mecanical machines, we do it to perfection. We do indeed choose the tolerances for the different parts, but at the end of the day it’s up to the managers to decide, how cheap they want to produce. Then those instructions go to the quality Management department, who ensure, that the wished standards are met.
(Also the infrastucture makes the difference e.g. if you are using the best cnc milling machines, you will end up with parts made to a higher precission level).
Hope you find it interesting :)
@@nicooobn agree, still surprised me enfield was among the best, my guess would have been really bad and ducati etc much better
So, was this the factory fill with zero miles, or was it after break-in? Very excellent video and test!
@@nicooobn " We engineers have little to do with that, when we design a motor or any other mecanical [sic] machines, we do it to perfection." Oooooh ha ha ha ha ha ha! That's some funny stuff there, I don't care who ya are. Laughed my ass off. Thanks for todays giggle. Even though I didn.t find it interesting I found it extremely entertaining.
Glad that RE has improved their quality. I am from Nepal and have continental GT 650. Such a beautiful machine. Hope they get better.
Dude continental GT isn't even available in Nepal...how did you get your hands on it?
@@itsmekakahabibi importing is a thing my dude
@@itsmekakahabibi dude you can walk into india from nepal
@@MohitBhoge yeah but you can't walk a bike into it either can you..
@@kaikart123 with all the imports and taxes combined it will take atleast 15 lakh Nepali rupees. And I don't think just any parents would be willing to pay that much even the rich guys. And let's be honest if anyone had a gt 650 they would have posted on social media but we haven't seen a single one...but well if it could be that he did that then great he's a rich as fuck
One factor that probably helped RE is that the first oil change is at 300 miles, while other manufacturers typically have it at 600. Pleasing to see a good result from them though. Having recently retired and no longer needing a motorcycle for commuting, I have traded my BMW F800 for a new RE Interceptor.
For those who are wondering at 3:37 the italian documentary voice says "Thus a two-wheeled vehicle was born, powerful and fast but with some inconveniences" (nacque così un mezzo a due ruote potente, veloce ma con qualche inconveniente)
Was looking for this comment, grazzie!
I was about to translate that. I wonder if it was intentional
@@webmasale I really think so, no idea how they found it though, also because it looks pretty old
@@dnltbrca di niente!
I never expected Royal Enfield to top this list. Genuinely surprised.
I know it’s within margin of error. But it’s still the top.
I mean, it at least tells you that the old reputation doesn't apply to the new bikes. That's useful information if you're considering an Enfield.
@@JonPITBZN I have one :D
No dudo de la capacidad constructiva de Royal, pero en el estudio de los aceites no se tiene en cuenta el régimen de trabajo de cada motor, sabido es que las Royal Enfield montan motores de mas baja compresión y menores regímenes de trabajo, por el contrario lo que buscan es tener el torque o par motor a bajo régimen de trabajo. Otro detalle no contemplado es la calidad del combustible utilizado en cada motocicleta
Thats not from india tho
When you buy a royal Enfield in india, things get different
@@GrimReaper-lo1ut depends on if you bought the new models or the old ones.
And all of them are made in India. There are no plants outside India. Probably never will be either. Why incur additional cost with higher labour prices elsewhere.
Royal Enfield is quickly turning back into the absolute legend it was back in the past!
What an awesome surprise! I'm actually in the market for a Royal Enfield Himalayan right now.. I felt like it's quality is pretty good and I know RE is trying to reinvent itself with quality being a priority. It's great to see they're really making strides in this and are a true contender
You bought ?
hmmmmmm a enfield, Indian technology! so clean and cheap on fuel
Did you buy the Himalayan?
What are your thoughts. I’ve been considering a RE.
@@youtubeaccount5153just bought one earlier this week. Just need to change the oil but fantastic bike. Loads of fun.
@@youtubeaccount5153 Not OP, but I got a Himalayan Scram. It is a fun motorcycle for the city and offroad. It is no fun on Highways but really fun on Backroads thanks to the super low hanging engine. The Brakes are completely fine and work well. And I haven't had a single problem yet.
I wish we knew more about the donor bikes. Example: Triumph's Street Triple is made in Thailand but the Speed Triple is made in England. Suzuki has manufacturing sites all over the planet. This was an awesome video but it has me wanting more information.
I as a customer expect the brand's promise to be uniform irrespective of the make and model of their bike
All Triumphs final assembly is now in Thailand.
Still, they should have the same standard regardless of manufacturer country
Ryan said this whole video is limited by the small sample size And there is also the limited access to testing equipment.
The production of the Speed Triple and Tiger 1200 was moved to Thailand in 2020. Every Triumph with the exception of the factory custom models is now produced in Thailand.
Well that was fascinating - thank you Ryan and the anonymous scientist lady (maybe fella)......
Its me. I’m the lady! Wait, no that’s not what I meant.
It is whatever gender they decide, right?
@@briankay3414 yes, just like you’re whatever type of person you choose to be every morning after you wake up...so long as it’s some variety of insufferable hypocrite that spends half their day whining about people dragging politics and “culture war” BS into EVERYTHING and then spend the other half of your time making snide comments that ....drag politics and “culture war” BS into everything. You guys are suited perfectly for each other, those of you on both sides, you’re both only happy when you’re miserable.
@@Fee.1 To which guys are you referring ???
@@Fee.1 all right. That's enough internet for today. Go to bed.
I work at a moto dealer and I spoke to some of our techs about your results. They were concerned that these results are skewed unless you are testing similar engine configurations (Size, #of pistons, etc) They also acknowledged that KTM oil is usually VERY clean but this could be partially due to the extremely low first service interval of KTMs. Engines from major manufacturers are lightly run on the stand for QA and then drained of fluids before shipment while Chinese engines are shipped with literal packing oil which needs to be flushed out before you run the bike (an effective cost saving maneuver). Basically, I'm not sure your results say much in the way of manufacturing quality but rather, how effective their QC practices are before an engine leaves the factory.
Interesting point
IF the QC is crap, what makes you think the manufacturing process would be any better. It wouldn't be. Cheap is cheap.
Nonsense first comment, how could engine configuration have any effect on this? Aren't the engine's materials up to lasting for 300 miles before falling off? :-)
He tested bikes with 100s of miles on them. More than enough time for the oil filter to do it's job filtering, as well as for bits to break and wear off.
Why so many particles, cheap engine parts, or more fragile parts or something else?
Why didn't the oil filters do their job better?
I think the engine configuration makes sense because of the same brand, the high-end 1000 cc may have very different build quality than 300 cc
But with all that said, you still can't get around the fact that the owners of Italian bikes all look worried when they step out of the hotel in the morning.
Thank you. You have made me feel a lot more confident in the Enfields
Nobody:
Ying Xiang pouring literal shit into their engines as the last stage of production
Rocket League with Bikes?! CinderBlock can do anything.
never imagine i would find u here xd
When are you gonna hit a flip reset with a motorcycle on your channel?
@@SemteVruchte hey y’all know me and I may be stuck without internet for sometime. #nofreespeaspeach
fluump and fortnine partnership in the future
Royal Enfield really surprised me :O
Good on them!
Yep. Add the price point and 3 year warranty sounds like a good purchase.
Me too especially since I didn't know they were still in business.
The Continental rides like a dream 👍
This removed the last suspicion I might have had from RE, will now always consider them when replacing my bike - expect I own a pesky japanese one, so might never replace ... ;-)
@@andyvoytko I have a new Interceptor that is in for warranty work a second time because it keeps spewing gas out the overflow.
You're the best motorcycle channel on CZcams, not even close.
While RE is considered a rough and tough bike here in India, this comes as a bit of a surprise to me. Some Indian brands outperform even RE when it's comes to reliability.
I wonder how they would perform if they decide to come out with 600cc class bikes.
the fact that an indian motorcycle is on top is not only amazing, but explains how itchy boots rode one around the planet with little issue. they're looking better and better all the time. i think i see a himalaya in my future.
Itchy Boots is the best
Influencing factors:
1. The engine's RPM may show different results?
2. The leak rate may have flushed all the contaminants away before you had time to catch a sample?
3. Most of the impurities generated by an engine first built in 1932 only to be continued to this very day, with minor alterations since are likely burnt out of the exhaust!
4. The cylinder head is practically a distillation column!
5. Are you sure it was engine oil and not clarified butter (ghee)???
@@lust4life682 Ryan collected the samples in his own garage...
If you had spent so much time actually reading his posts, you wouldn't have made the "ghee" comment. Plus, ghee smells, even a 5 yr. old could detect that.
Classic example of oversmartness.
Royal Enfield: Everyone in class looking at the one grubby and shady looking kid who scored top marks on the test.
He's grubby and shady because he's homeless and raised by the hood but he's a good kid.
Dnt judge a book by its cover
Lol RE has the best looking Adv bike and their twins are looking very good and affordable as well as reliable. I would say RE is far from grubby
Hahaha, exactly!
In the test that means nothing. Everyone knows that examining the oil you can predict what is wearing off by pieces of metal you find and plan to service. But i also rode a suzuki v strom for 11 years all over the Europe and never had a single problem. I sold that bike to a guy 2 years ago and he is still riding it without problems. Suzuki is also nearly on the bottom of this list, meaning that this besides of being interesting to watch tells you very little about the whole package you get when you buy the vehicle..
In India, during a school examination, students, as a last resort to score a few more points, will try to ensure the utmost neat hand writing in their exam papers. Its called "getting extra marks for neat handwriting". That is Royal Enfield on their best behavior for the new foreign market 😆🍻
You think the motorbikes they make for export are better quality than the ones they sell in India?
@@kiradotee yes extra neatness required for export due to different regulations
@@kiradotee not exact "better" but they double check the export bikes. RE famously does re-inspection in the US before selling the bike. So yes.. better on average because of tighter tolerances and standards set in the new market.
And they are doing great
@@ScareglowSkull Indeed they are, here in my country a couple of years ago you either went with crappy, disposable Chinese motorcycles that you could actually afford or selling a kidney to get a entry level Yamaha. Nowadays you can get a quality bike without sacrificing a year of income.
Helps me confirm my decision to buy a Royal enfield meteor, thank you
Bought/placed a deposit today (meteor supernova brown)
congrats from India, happy motoring🎉
Go Royal Enfield. I remember these bikes when they were the pits. Amazing what a dedicated and concerned manufacturer can do. I take my hat off to you guys.
@@KLRJUNE Exactly...they still have substandard metallurgy, and antiquated power output..if that is a concern.
Royal Enfield Lets goooo fawk yea
@Dharmic Science Like I said, Antiquated, If the Enfield was close to the same price as the mainstream companies, it would cease to exist. They sell outside India because they are cheap...period. Yes the Triumph T100 has low HP, probably why no man in the west rides one.Their 675 puts out over 120 HP. Which Enfield does that!. I Ride a Multistrada...how many Enfields do I need to get to 155 hp?.
@Dharmic Science Tell me...if you made a lot of money,would you ride an Enfield??. I Ride a Multistrada because I can, and it can cover a lot of miles, two up, at highway speeds. I don't worry about cattle on the roads, Your remark about western women is asinine, but I am guessing you haven't done a lot of world travel.
@Dharmic Science So....a bicycle.
Honestly. Ryan - from the entire moto community. We appreciate the unbias, logical, scientific approach to all of your videos. Thank you Fortnine.
Yeah. I’ve seen this first hand (literally with Ducati). It’s crazy comparing all of my bikes’ oil. BMW - yellow. Ducati - pencil lead sized shavings. Suzuki, Honda - clean. Chinese ATV - too scared to 👀
The color of used engine oil is not an indication of the quality of the oil
@@sspirito3130 I confirm that shavings are present in Ducati oil, at least on a 2008 model, found some small shavings trapped in gauge filter, very little ones but still big enough to be trapped by the filter.
I think this test was made not to compare oil, but to compare contaminants in the oil from the factory and also the premature wear of the engine, shavings and small metal bits from pitting effect on bearings and gears.
@@adriandobre9366 This test was not done to compare anything. This test was done as a clickbait, as simple as that. They only took one sample from each manufacture, mixing up engine size, engine types, bike types, bikes with a 4 liters or 700ml oil capacity, etc. There is no sample size - this is against any basic foundation of research. Ducati makes high compression, high revs, high performance engines, of course it will produce more shavings than a Royal Enfield lawnmower engine. My Yamaha WR450F probably produces 3 times more shaving than your Ducati after 1000Km. Does that mean that all Yamahas are junk? No, because the WR450F is a high strung racing engine, it gets ridden hard and has a small oil capacity. After 1000Km the oil is way overcooked
@@sspirito3130 on this regard I'm on the same page, it is unfair to compare a commuter with low compression like the Enfield with a track toy that runs 13.2:1 and spends most of its time close to red line, one will run hotter and will experience more wear, higher forces on gears, more brutal shifts causing pitting to be more pronounced thus more particles and even shavings can be found, or to compare a cruise hog that runs on a steady surface at a maintained rpm to an adventure that experiences shocks between loos of traction and suddenly getting traction.
I'm actually pretty impressed and surprised with KTM and Royal Enfield's ranking
Thats because KTM is owned by Bajaj another Indian Motorcycle company
@@ChandranPrema123 yeah bro your right
Now, if only Royal Enfield had enough dealers around the U.S. to accommodate the interest and the demand! Thr prices are good, the quality is there, the style I like but there are very few dealers!
And a 3 year warranty
They are planning to launch over 20 new models in next 4 years and 2 new factories, so I'm pretty sure it will be complemented by new dealerships.
Well here in india we have one every other kilometre
New York City has two. If you’re willing to venture a bit upstate or to New Jersey, there’s at least three more.
Continental is the only one which I can say is alright .. they have models called "classic" and "bullet" which are basically bicycles with a noisy engine and poor brakes .. they used to manufacture decent bikes in 80s .. unfortunately their bikes are still stuck there in terms of engineering .. the only add on is the electrical issues ..
can we take a moment to appreciate the commitment to "that's what she said" jokes
Had to go back to listen again
I got the feeling he was comparing the oil to getting urine samples.
@@leeackerson2579 it's the feeling that counts
"That's what she said!"
"Rule 34" application.
Feels nice to own a Royal Enfield Meteor. All our life, us Indians grew up thinking imported bikes/products were superior. Now times are changing.
True about the Japanese bikes, "You'll have it for life" LOL! I own a 2007 Yamaha Royal Star tour deluxe touring cruiser and she's a keeper. Going to add a second bike (probably an Indian) but the Yamaha ain't going nowhere, I'll ride it until I can't anymore.
Can you tell, why not Harley but an Indian? Because of more Power/Torique in the Indian?
I can now say, the thing I love the most about F9 is that they can make such a fantastically groundbreaking and unheard of video and yet they get straight to the point, don't drag it out and don't even stretch it to the 10 minute mark.
I feel like most other channels, motorcycle related or not, given such an opportunity would have forced this video to be over 20 minutes long filled with worthless dribble and speculation, FortNine? Not so much.
Absolutely fabulous.
good point. and we would have had 2 commercial breaks.
RyanF9 is a very good writer, both in terms of structuring the piece and writing the actual sentences. It's obvious that he puts a lot of time and effort into writing and editing scripts. Which is not to diminish Aneesh's video work at all - it's also excellent.
That’s what she said.
I really expected Honda to be higher on this list, but hey: congrats to Royal Enfield. Charming bikes too.
@@dj-rocketman8545 True, fair point. And I also think rider behaviour will have much effect. I'm pretty sure exceeding the suggested max rpm ranges during break in time (especially the first couple of hundred km/miles) will lead to more particles. Even on a Honda. 😄
If you look at the charts, the particle count between the top manufacturers does not differ significantly.
Doesn't need to be top, but qc were still on point.
A bit unnecessary to include Royal Enfield bikes, as they have less rides in a year than nuns 😅😆😂
Fawk yea ROYAL ENFIELD, my Himalayan was really clunky brand new after first service its smooth as hell wow love that bike, and Triumph doing well , confirms my bias cause my bobber black is a dream to ride.
Man-O-Man, good job, as always! I see the comment regularly that this is the best Motorcycle related content on YT but after nearly exhausting your library I am convinced you have the best "Do-It-Yourself" content on the Inter-Web! I watch everything from Auto-Centric to Xylophone Repair and Race/All Terrain/Off Road/4X4 to DIY of every topic and I do not see the consistent high quality and creative thoughtfulness of F9. Nobody, Nowhere, Knowhow. I will shut up now and start at the top. Thanks for the great Videos and for sharing your talents.
The best video on motorcycle quality control I've ever seen. This one's a saver. Thank you.
It's actually a bit weird to see a guy who looks 19 and sounds like optimus prime. 😂
But he is 19 and he is Optimis Prime.
once an optimis, always an optimis.
I always wondered why Optimis Prime sounded a bit like a teen
He is. Optimus, in his Prime.
All I hear is Carl Sagan
Wow. Royal Enfield just gained my respect. But the main thing this test makes evident is that getting that first oil change early, probably within 300-500 miles, is critical.
Using the right oil for the first 1000km's , not anything with friction modifiers or synthetic blends- wearing the engine in correctly makes for a long life for the engine components. WTF would you want an Enfield?
The writing for your channel is amazing. Constantly engaging.
How you can turn any mundane subject into one more riveting, astounds me.
Ryan, please keep going with F9 videos. You single handedly last year became my exclusive source for motovlog and informational entertainment. Your witty, sarcastic, insightful, and you approach these questions like us. The consumer not paid by a brand or company to market their wares but to bring us the riders your view, opinion, and informed bias.
Thanks bud, hope things in the north are good for you. Keep it up dude!
You had me at DJ Khaled: Another one! Haha! You guys have the best production, writing, and quality hands down!
dudeeeee, don't tell me you are motorcycle driver?! am a huge fan of your ps tuts! i am a front end dev and am always using your tricks!
It took you that long to laugh?
Bro, just wanna say your videos help me out a lot. I have already won a photography competition using your tips
Man, I love your content 🙌🏼
dam, i did not see this comment coming
I'm really feeling for the guy that bought the Chinese bike and heard those results.
Most peeps who get china knock offs knew what they was getting by now xd, buy hey "it's cheap" lol.
@@metalsadman True, no one wants to hear that though.
I bought a Chinese bike (Kymco K-Pipe 125) for $2k, it had a 2 year warranty, and died 2 years 4 months and 7,000 miles later. Dollar per mile, that isn't terrible, my main cost was a new Rear tire during that period. I now ride a Yamaha XV250, but the Chinese bike was more fun, and more comfortable. But was also always vibrating apart, the frame broke, Ignition switch failed, Speedometer Failed, and eventually died from a unknown electrical failure. Going from a car to a bike, this certainly made me appreciate both the maintenance side of riding, but also the quality of buying top branded bikes in general.
I think the douche-cati owners are the ones chewing glass
@@twotone3471 kymco is taiwanese, and actually a renowned brand now in asia.
This is one of the coolest videos I have seen in a while. It justifies the KTM and BMW pricing while also completely shitting on Italy. Kind of funny. Makes me feel good about my BMW
I just love this channel. Best educational/entertainment show on CZcams. Period.
I only had to wait one minute for this gem, "Japanese parts fit tighter together than a nun's knees"! Noice one Ryan. 🤣
:D Made my day!
this video will go viral, you raised a fuss my friend GOOD JOB AS ALWAYS
😆
Simply, and without any doubt, the most interesting video I've watched in months. Awesome job Sir!!
Great vid and excellently done as always. Happy to see my new Enfield up there! However, it made me aware of a potentially consequential variable that didn't get mentioned - first service oil change on the Enfields (at least the 650s) is 300 miles (then jumps up to 3k after that). I know this is pretty short comparable to most other manufacturers and thought I'm not expecting that it would reveal anything too significantly different from these results, it could definitely have an effect. Cheers! Ride safe everyone.
I love it when manufacturers (or anyone really) get themselves together despite their past , strive for greatness, and don't fucking lie.
Great job Royal Enfield
@Dharmic Science Don’t we all?
Chinese Engineer : "There is graphite in the engine"
Yin Xiang : "You didn't see graphite, because it is not there"
Can't see the evidence if the evidence is washed away
Chernobyl reference?
I think so. Little confusing tho to someone used to ebay listings using words like graphite / carbon fiber when they mean black paint...
That's isn't concrete for sure..now tell me why I see graphite in the engine
It’s 15000 roentgen, not 3
That is a wonderfully analysed video. And three cheers to the Royal Enfield for topping the charts.👏👏👌👍
Colour me surprised. Now if there wasn't such a damn long wait on REs here in Australia...
Anonymous lab tech, the hero we didn't know we needed!
Here's to you 🔬🔬🔬
it's from RENAULT
I can imagine Yammie Noob crying in the shower after watching this video xD
Was scrolling through comments
Just to find this
Lol
He thrashed the Multistrada V4S 😂 I do think his channel is more light hearted comedy than serious motorcycle content though.
@@lamraliang7587 definitely
ROTFLMAO! Ya...he won't even look at a Royal Enfield.
I saw maybe 1 or 2 Fortnine videos in pieces and in passing before today, and now I'm binging harder than for any Netflix show ever. Bravo my friend.
Ryan is very articulate, informative who uses carefully researched data to bring an interesting and fascinating videos which stands out from many other You Tube videos in a class of their own.
"You don't sell 60,000 Motorcycle a Year without a reason" :- Royal Enfield.
65k+ A month*
huge customer base?
@@fripszilon that too obviously xd.
@@fripszilon let’s say a healthy Couple Of Millions !
@@fripszilon huge fan base collectively called REtards. RE bikes in India are shit. not sure about Exported version. but bikes here are shit, leaks oil, drives like a bullock cart. there no much wear and tear if you are running at 60Kmph.
Top Gear but free and for motorcycles.
So this complement comes in three parts. Your delivery of fact based evidence is amazing. The level of competency and eloquence is on par with the best in field of science infotainment. Furthermore the editing and script work is sublime. Last, and perhaps the most asinine, I love the ECCO Boots. I own the shoe version and immediately thought this is a man of comfort and reason.
The different oil filters used could vary in effectiveness.
And manufacturing process for some makes could be to start the engine with 'break-in oil' , then drain, and refill it with spec oil before shipping the bike.
Picking up my RE GT650 tomorrow. Breathed a huge sigh of relief
Someone should have done this earlier and told yammie noob before he started sh!t!ng on royal enfield and praising his Ducati
That boy is bought and paid for
Who even watches yammie noob? Can't even trust him to stay in his lane...
Truth be told, even if this was a thorough scientific study that we could draw hard conclusions from (which it isn't), which would you rather ride, a Royal Enfield or a Ducati?
A Civic is more reliable than a Ferrari too but I know which one I'd rather drive home.
@@BigUriel oh then you are trying to say that in terms of your point Chinese bike is better than ducati.
@@hakshayak2044 no that is not at all what he is saying, read his reply again maybe.
Italians really love their olive oil, they put it in their bikes.
I was told a long time ago by a mechanic, that Japanese motors (in general) required oil replacement more frequently than their US or EU counterparts exactly due to the abrasion prevention. I'd say this simple oil change (aka regular maintenance) supresses potential issues with the tiny to small particles well, and eliminates the issues completely, when considering the miniscule amount of mid and big-sized ones.
So... change the oil in a Chinese motor before the first run, once more as soon as it's hot, and then AGAIN after the first heat cycle.
It's not necessary the oil. The particles may be coming due to shitty tolerances and wear in the engine. Maybe the engine parts were not clean prior assembly. Who knows.
@@radoslavtomov9121 If that's the case, its gonna blow up regardless. But also chinese motors frequently dont have oil filters.
It should have oil filter. Probably they forgot to install one
Depends on the bike.
I have chinese dual purpouse bike, 2016, more than 40.000 kms, gotta say, the lil bastard is reliable, yeah.., used oil tends to be darker than usual after 2000kms, but... hey, still works like a clock
I've been between Triumph and Royal Enfield for a while, this just nailed it for me. Also explains the longer intervals. Great vid!!!!
Another fabulous presentation. Keep 'em coming!
Thank you Ryan. This is the most informative of all of the hundreds of CZcams videos on motorcycles and testing i have seen in the last 4 years. Well done!
"Japanese parts fit together tighter than a nun's knees"
Well, never heard that one before but I sure ain't forgetting it till kingdom come!😂
You know for months I’ve been wondering how you would “spin” the oil you asked for! And, as always, you didn’t disappoint us Ryan! Great video, who else would think about bikes the way you do... and NOBODY can present a CZcams close to the Ryan F9 standard! You rock my friend...
Pete 🇨🇦
You have to do a new video with this and more data :-) would love to see if Moto guzzi could restore some faith to italia
Fascinating to re-watch this. Suzuki now (or recently ) have headed the table for low fault reliability and customer satisfaction in their car division, with a German Co. (Audi) stone last. Not sure where their bike division (Ducati) stands. It did cross my mind whether the age of the manufacturing plant and tooling had anything to do with RE’s success. I think there could be a viable case for an annual league table with proper sample sizes (if we weren’t on the brink of ditching mechanical horses for electric appliances) two minor points: I am the proud owner of an Italian bike ( my second Falco) whose engine was impeccably designed and put together not by Aprilia but by independent Austrian specialists so I’d love a compare and contrast between the V2 and the Italian v4s (when you have a minute
Forgot what the second minor point was😬
Harley Davidson tolerances are measured in feet
I LAUGHED OUT LOUD!! 😂😂😂
What? Harley have tolerances?
I actually did as well!! (And I don’t do that very often) 😂
_Thousandths of an inch measurements? Nah, hundredths are fine_
To be fair..I'd say inches.
I'm Italian and i live 20kms away from Ducati factory. There's a saying in italian that goes like this: 'Ducati, soldi buttati'. Which, roughly translated means 'Ducati, wasted money'.
È rotto!
What about other Italian Manufacturers? Like Aprilia, moto Guzzi & mv Agusta
I thought Audi bought it, any thing changed in good ways?
@@jayarentz501 I think every italian agrees that they're beautiful but a bit too expensive.. But in my opinion you can't find a more flamboyant bike tho
(also, most people in italy joke about their quality etc, but pretty much everyone still loves them)
Yes I would like to know about Moto Guzzi as well!
Love my RE, this was a great watch, thanks!
Yeah, my Moto Guzzi has metal shavings so large they put magnets and wire mesh throughout the engine to catch them even after 20,000 miles... so I wonder why they are known for lasting so long? Maybe wider tolerances in general.
I hear the Aprilia/Rotax V-twin can do ridiculous mileage as well - not that it was tested here since it's out of production.
Royal Enfield has a bright future ahead of it. Still looking forward to the potential 650 ADV bike as a KLR 650 rival since the KLR was revived. Himalayan isn't enough for American roads.
RE already had a working prototype Himalayan 650 but they found it wasn't good enough and very different character to current Himalayan so they are working on engine to lighten it etc.
@@siddharthgoyal4008 awesome to hear, actually! What's your source? I want more info
@@johnalogue9832 my brother works there as an electronic engineer.
@@siddharthgoyal4008 that's awesome!
@@siddharthgoyal4008 Tell your brother that all the Himalayans are broken here in brazil cause the ECU is not calibrated for the brazilian gasoline (with 27% of ethanol). Pre-ignition, overheat, blown head gasket, broken cylinder head, everybody is pissed off with the Himalayans, waiting a solution from RE. A simple ECU remap solve the problem, but anybody wants to lose the warranty. Maybe your brother can solve this...
Would be intresting to see the oil result after the second service to see if the results are consistent.
That would defeat the whole idea of finding out which manufacturer has the most contamination in their manufacturing process...Once you change the factory oil you are flushing out the contaminated oil.
@@Recedinghairline180 it would show you the tolerances of the engine and how they wear. All engines wear internally between each service but running a continuous report of this would show you the wear rate of each engine over time. Manufacturing can change with each bike, you might get one that been built totally out of tolerance from the next one in the production line and this would show over time with premature wear and failure on items and this is then shown in the oil sampling. This also ties into the sample selection really needs to be increased the capture a better image of this.
You’re missing the point. Seeing how the engines wear on average over time is a different research question from seeing how clean the initial manufacturing process is. The results from the test Rf9 did can only be made more precise by increasing the cross-section/sample size. It doesn’t mean your question isn’t interesting, it just isn’t germane.
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Too much variables to make it relevant.... And those who have resources to actually do this will not show you objective results anyway ;
Lol this is so true, my mt03's oil is still orangey brown when seen through the engine oil level glass after a month of usage.
Meanwhile my friend's chinese zongshen 250 looks as black as a tarpit.
I can't even see my 2021 KTMs honey oil without leaning it far, not sure if it's a leak or burn issue. There was a gentle drop, but no signs of continued leakage.... I'm guessing it's burning oil and should do an oil change soon..
@@godinminaar9024 ah ktm, bajaj, i always find these brands to have some sort of oil leak in their valve covers
Rarely hit the bell icon. These vids are too good. Keep em' rolling
I always wondered why I could never get rid of my Honda, it's like herpes. it all makes sense now.
well my ducati has 400.000km on it and it still works to this day after 35 years with stock engine
Plus, if you meet a new one and bring it home you have to explain why the other one is NOT leaving.
Let's give a quick shoutout to Anonymous Scientist.
If you know, you know.
Very cool information. And a big surprise at the top of the list.
Subscribing and liking every one of his videos JUST because he never tells me to. One of the best channels on CZcams, let alone for motorcycles.
I was suprised by Royal Enfield. Awesome work there. Thank you Anonymous Lab tech for the lab time :)
How does this guy only have 1mil subs? He’s producing netflix level quality with only a quarter of the budget.
A Quarter?
FortNine barely gives these guys free tea or coffee. They have almost no budget.
I bet he wishes he had one quarter of that budget.
@@nbayard per episode
@@Toleich is fortnite not a big company?
I hope Ryan is never controlled by a big producer. He is the funniest person on CZcams. He writes all his own scripts, and honestly they are better than anything I've seen. Even people who don't like motorcycles can laugh out loud at his videos. But they are also incredibly important videos.
These videos are fantastically well made
Loved seeing Lumen Field where my Sounders play in the Seattle shot! My Lime Green Ninja and I spent a lot of time there back in the day!
Interesting. I used to get shade thrown my way for owning a BMW and KTM. Years and hundred of hours and 10s of thousands of km and 'finally' a bit of good news and reassurance that they might last another season or maybe two. lol
People throw shade at BMW bikes? They're some of the best built out there and their price tag shows it, KTM I understand the shade as electrical faults are not uncommon with a fair few of their models.
@@valkerionrides9879 No, they aren't some of the best built. BMW and KTM are just a hair above the Italian bikes in reliability. That is to say - they aren't reliable.
@@someguy5035 I never said KTM was in fact I agree its not with all the electrical issues reported id never buy one. But are you really going to tell me BMWs most popular bike (The GS) is well known for its bad reliability? Because its just not is it in fact none of their bikes have a reputation for being bad to my knowledge unlike KTM. Whats reliable in your eyes then? Japanese only im gonna go ahead and guess.
@@someguy5035 I dont know where you get your info. I have many friends with bmw's and none have issues with reliability. I have a ktm and a ducati 2003 and 1996 respectively with absolutely zero issues
@@valkerionrides9879 Everybody in the bike community throws shade at BMWs. Their complicated electronics have a high failure rate. I know someone with a K1600. He left it parked under a heavy sunlight, and the controls on the handlebar just stopped working. I couldn't believe my eyes when it happened.
Being an Indian I didn't think Royal Enfield will top the list.
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But feeling proud now.😊
Thank you Ryan Sir and all those involved in making this video.🙏🏽
Are you from assam bro ?
Dawg you should be proud the Himalayan is very popular here I got a 2021 and I am seeing them pop up alot in the bay area California. The Himalayan compliments my Triumph bobber black for when I want a slower more adventurous ride. For sporty rides I hop on the Triumph
Yep, with high quality standards you get good appraisals, if you make crap like China does you get a reputation for making cheap garbage.
RE is surprising cleaner than many indian roads, JK don't take it seriously 😂
You have cool people in your country. But you let the stupid rule.
I'd be interested to see how Moto Guzzi would fair in this test, on one hand it's Italian and of an old design but on the other they have separate engine, gearbox and bevel oils with a dry clutch which you would imaging would be good for this test. All I know is that the oil on my V7 that gets ridden throughout the year always looks quite clear at service time.
Great way to objectively evaluate engine status. This method among others evaluate aircraft engines and TBO