Social Media Vigilantes "Hunt" Predators | Dangers of Self-Appointed Religious Fanatic Vigilantes
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This video answers the question: Can I analyze the self-appointed civilian vigilantes on social media?
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I'm surprised you didn't mention that the individual who ended his life in the incident which led to the cancellation of To Catch a Predator was a district attorney. He had been caught attempting to lure what he believed was a 13-year-old boy.
😵
Good riddance
"A self...[UUP-ointet] and self...[PROOO-claimed]...district attorney who frequently elected to make use of the.........[VAH-mit] emoji.🤮"
probably why it ended tcap. cant have them catching important people!
It was the district attorney's sister who filed a lawsuit and won, what caused the show to be cancelled.
Hunting teams have got 963 predators arrested in 245 days here in the UK. No violence and with solid evidence to get them convicted.
Awesome 👍
No violence…impressive
Solid evidence and convictions fantastic!
Keep up your great methods
Way to go, gotta catch em all! Go get em hunters... never stop hunting!
I have a lot of respect for the vast majority of UK teams. They do a huge amount of good, despite the ridiculously lenient response of the law, even upon conviction.
Unless they are Muslim….then they just go free right? In the uk?
You mentioned that the person caught ended their life. You didn’t mention that they were an assistant district attorney and that the show was forced to be shut down by other law enforcement trying to protect the monsters in their ranks.
The police do not dictate what programming NBC airs.
No. The district attorney's sister filed a lawsuit against NBC and local law enforcement, and won, therefore cancelling the show.
THANK YOU
This dude is controlled opposition, or just suffers from severe cognitive dissonance. Maybe even both.
Your dry humor catches me off guard at times, but it is absolutely hilarious. It definitely brings levity to the subject matter. Thank you.
As an Englishman, this humour is just normal speech 😊
Me too! 😂
@@RaferJeffersonIII British humour is best humour!!!!!!!!!!
I'm pretty sure his jokes are his way of letting people know not to take his vids too seriously and to protect himself from lawsuits.
One thing that stood out to me during the Hanson “to catch a predator “ many of the suspects knew about the show and even thought about it and how the person they were talking to online could be a sting operation. Despite this their interests in hooking up with someone under Age outweighed the known risks involved.
And Later HANSEN GOT CAUGHT TOO; he was a grifter and cheater. It Used to be in some societies you could be put to death for THAT. He was so creepy like he was some high Lord sitting above everyone licking his chops.
@Predator Catchers PA ShAFiQ
*most* of the people committing SA crimes know that they are doing so……they just don’t care who gets hurt in the process.
@@TCoyTheDecoy As opposed to OTHER criminals....who care so much? Are you kidding?
@@robertgiles9124 no but it is possible to be unaware of laws that exist. But everyone knows touching is illegal & wrong. Yeah some people do care like the ones that kill their abuser. They care about stopping them. And technically they are a criminal but also a low key hero… IMO… since u asked.
Doesn't help that some of these vigilantes think they are Judge Jury and Executioner.
No. It doesn’t help the predator.
@@2legit2Kwit wtf is your profile 😂😂
They call the cops and turn over evidence actuallu
Cancel culture
Yes, vigilantism is almost always ill-advised. However, it's also important to see it as an expression of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice system -- where it seems like perpetrators are getting off scot-free a lot of the time. Maybe it's time to start retooling our justice system so that people can trust it to function properly. When that happens, there won't be much motivation for vigilantism in the first place.
The vigilantes don't care about justice. That's why they practice on what to say and what not to say to avoid getting punished on their own wrong doings.
These people aren’t vigilantes, they don’t punish these people, they expose them. They’re essentially a private investigators. If they were vigilantes, we probably wouldn’t be seeing their videos on CZcams
Well, the point your making would again depend on a person's perspective and their own personal biases. You say that "vigilantism is an example of people's frustration with the ineffectiveness of our justice systemc", however, others might say that our justice system already engages in over-reach with overly powerful prosecutors and a society that relies too heavily on incarceration.
Agreed 👍
Your completely right, and there's so many pedo apologists an criminal forgiving weirdos now I totally expected responses like the ones above...
Thank God someone is doing something, these guys are heroes 👍
seems like they did a great job. I'm amazed they gave him 6 years. that's good. and i don't think I could ever feel sympathy for these people
And you shouldn't
🤦♂️ He got so much wrong in this video I can't even...
So true Ryan! He couldn't even get the predator's name right. This former officer chose to go to a jury trial and was CONVICTED. If he had actually researched the topic and PCI, his opinion on predator catchers might change. Someone has to protect the children!
“If a police officer collected it using the same tactics.” Regarding evidence….
OKAY WHERE ARE THEY???
@@GilaMonster971 hiiiiii! 👋
The funniest vigilante catches was when known scam artist Ramy went to Egypt and did a couple of catches where he came close to getting murdered. I look at these creep catchers as pure candid camera inspired entertainment and I really enjoy watching the catches while also realizing money is the main motivational factor for these vigilantes who will constantly talk about where one could donate to them. I also do enjoy watching someone like Alex's precise interrogation techniques where he befriends the predator and masterfully gets them to admit everything in front of thousands of live viewers.
alex is massive sociopath!!!
alex is the best by far but he's also a shit person and i'm convinced he only does it to have fun destroying peoples lives in a legal way. i dont think he really cares about catching preds.
I disagree that money is the "main" motivation. Many of these guys were childhood victims or have family members who were. Most of them started this part time to seek justice, but found that there are so many creeps that they started doing it full time, necessitating income to keep going
Where we can find those shows to donate to them? I dont care if they do it for money, if they can help the good people is totally fine anyways is a job and it deserves to be paid
@@ArkaraValtare3729 predator catchers muncie, lc predator catcher, people v preds, gordon flowers, pp toronto, protect the innocent...those are a start.
A man in my former neighborhood had too much to drink and put his hand up the dress of his 15 year old daughters friend. Not far up, just above her knee. He served a year in jail, is on the Megan's Law website and has had his house burned down, has been beaten up several times and in the hospital many weeks because of self apoinyed vigilantes. He has never reoffended. He is very disabled now because of this and lives in a tent on the river bed. Hos assailants have never faced justice. Eric needs to be stopped.
I’m sorry but if one of my friends fathers had put his hands up my skirt when I was 15, I don’t care if he was drunk or not, that would’ve traumatized me or any other young teenager who trusts that the parents of their friends won’t see them like that. Not saying I agree with burning the man’s house down, but you don’t get to stick your hands up your teen daughters friends skirt, and not face consequences.
Jesus said, "whoever offends these little ones, it is better that a large stone was tied around his neck and he were cast into the sea." Alcoholics don't get a pass.
@@jessica_jam4386 Don't be sorry Jessica. You are completely right to say exactly what you said and the perfect person to say it.
“Not far up,just above the knee”. 😮
The Justice system tried and convicted and punished him. What people took upon themselves to do to him was wrong.
I am glad that 15 year old he assaulted was not silenced and forced to live with what was done to her without any justice.
Thanks for the good news!
VIGILANTE(pronounced: vig•i•lan•te) - noun: a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.
Sounds like we need more vigilantes.
Having watched several of these social media vigilante videos, it always seems their primary motivation is gaining notoriety and financial support, not the protection of children.
Chris Hanson was one guy who came unstuck with his program "take a seat".
Maybe that's ok as long as creeps are arrested and no actual children are involved. Profit and passion aren't mutually exclusive.
@Sky L They're innocent until proven guilty. If a vigilante is willing to risk their life for a child, that's admirable, regardless of the potential financial gain. Nothing good comes without potential risk.
As long as they catch perverts who really cares
@@MiguelDLewis absolutely however in a lot of cases like this they have evidence in advance and then perverts showing up after making plans to have sex with children so there's really not much that needs to be done except a bullet
Two thoughts: 1) I have watched plenty of 'predator catcher' type groups in both the US and the UK, but I have never discerned any religious motivations in any of them- ever.
2) Trained cops blundering and lying is mostly caused by years of cultural on-the-job sloppiness, mixed with a desire to protect their jobs & pensions. Predator catchers don't have those motivations.
Good comment
@@AlphanumericCharacters You kidding, right?
Predator catchers have clout, money, bias, and poor judgment to have them make similar mistakes. Nobody likes peds but the fact is what these people do 9/10 isn't helpful and could become dangerous. I've also seen a few "bloopers" of different channels accusing the wrong person. The loud public shaming battle cry isn't as helpful as they think it is. We all know how TCAP ended and I feel there's very little reason for one of these people to point the gun at others before themselves. I'm not defending predators but I don't think investigations should be handled by random folk with no authority or training
@@ChillCollins616 how effectively has it protected kids? It let's a bunch of people on the internet know that someone might be a potential predator. I'm positive people in real life aren't gonna take the person holding a phone to someone's face yelling "he's here to meet a 13yo boy" as seriously as you think.
@@ChillCollins616 Glad to see wit and logic are on your side, when a conversation hits a dead end it's always nice to accuse the other side of a heinous act instead of thinking about the real world applications of vigilantism. You'll never be the punisher, the closest you'll get to is William Foster. You can't see past punishing bad people when you're meant to be protecting innocent kids. Eb homeless or jobless is a punishment but I don't think it really stops them from offending, even TCAP had repeat offenders
I was really interested in hearing your analysis on this subject. Ask and you shall receive, haha. The speed in which you make these detailed and insightful videos is incredible, Dr. Grande. Thank you for another in depth analysis. I appreciate your hard work. 🙏
This! I literally just left a comment that echos very similar sentiments. How Dr. G manages to put out so many of these blows my mind. I’m assuming he has some sort of private practice/clinical job , a family and life, he may even teach classes too- a lot of psychiatrists/mental health professionals also teach college courses here and there too…and he still manages to release well researched high quality videos more often than I change my damn socks. 😂😭
Ah! Another analysis (I like it!)
The speed in which these videos are produced could also signify a gap in research. Grande is making sweeping claims about an entire group of people based on the actions and persona of one pred catcher. I think the Dr could have watched a few more predator catchers.
@@Breakstop It definitely would’ve been interesting had he covered other predator investigations for sure. I at first thought there would be a bit more on him talking about to catch a predator the show because that’s what I originally requested. But still, I’ll take what I can get I guess.
@@Breakstop agreed. He seems like he's probably a really smart guy in other contexts, but you can't just read a few articles and think you have your finger on the pulse of what you just read.
I dont think exposing pedophiles is a bad thing. Expose them, even if they don't get arrested their life gets ruined.
Yeah but we want to get rid of them, that includes carriers to get rid of them properly. If there’s no evidence for them to get arrested, that could be misinformation or slander. I mean if you wake up the next day and everyone calls you a pedo, how would you feel? A lot of anger and scorn.
Not at All
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Very glad to get back to your episodes. I've been deeply distracted by hurricane Ian. My prayers to all who have suffered loss. We were spared, but my heart is with those who were not.
I also LOVE hearing any jokes by Dr. Grande, Honestly these quips crack me up sometimes 🤣
"mostly because of the murder part..."
One should always make jokes when discussing vile men that fuk kids. Laugh cry emoji....sooo funny!
When I was in high school girls always bragging about their 20 something year old boyfriends
High schoolers are fools. They have no idea how the world works or what's good for them. I was a fool in hs and every girl I knew was a fool too.
My boyfriend was 38 and I was 16. Now my bf is 36 and I am 56!
I was sadly one of those girls. Groomers do a lot of love bombing & have the upper hand due to high-schoolers being so pure & naive.
I write from Ireland and I really enjoy your videos. Your analysis of this phenomenon is absolutely correct. I myself was accused of a crime in my youth and the Police officers involved lied through their teeth throughout the process. It was only after my Lawyer was able to discredit their version of events, using CCTV footage from the alleged crime scene, that the charges against me were dropped. The whole experience taught me that the so called, good guys, are more than capable of criminal behavior in pursuit of a conviction. If the men in uniform are so untrustworthy, how can religious zealots be allowed to operate with impunity?
Pedophile catchers cannot "operate with impunity", the law obviously applies to them too, I don't know where you got that from. Your story is irrelevant to the morality and acceptability of people tricking and calling the police on pedophiles who believe they are meeting children.
@@maitiucibhleachain5139 I was merely pointing out that the Police often get tunnel vision when it comes to getting a conviction. The vigilantes are also often people who employ tunnel vision, usually because of warped religious beliefs, as pointed out in the video.
@@robg5958 I have watched tons of videos of pedophiles being caught attempting to meet children, many are quite long as they wait for police to arrive. The majority I've seen have been from the UK, but a good few from America too. Not one comment made in any of those hours of footage I've was about religion in any way. I have never seen pedophile catcher I thought was doing what they were doing because of their religion. "usually" - gonna need a source for that. This seems to be a ridiculous stereotype, and even if people were inspired by their faith to catch those attempting to meet and r*pe children, what's the problem in that being an inspiration for such a public service?
I was peripherally associated with two online groups that found predictors in the 90's, which was the wild, wild west of the internet. Child pornography was posted in profiles on yahoo chat. Un neither group did the members try to apprehend the subjects. They forwarded the chat logs to an appropriate law enforcement agency. Sometimes, the member was asked to continue to a meeting with the suspect. At that point, the police were supervising. I cannot recall any religious member in both groups. Times have changed apparently.
The good doctor hates Trump and Religion. He has bad TDS. He is too smart for that. At least he thinks so.
Were you in America? The kookiest religious folk ruin all sorts of things in America.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Seems America has gone 100% woke. I don't mix religion or politics with the need to persecute or expose child predators like Hunter and his Dad.
“They” have changed? What does that mean? As if “religious” people are a single bloc huh. Wow just wow
non of these catchers are doing it for religious morality reasons
As police departments and District Attorneys practice their social experiment on their population by not prosecuting or letting criminals out, vigilantes will only increase.
I honestly wish these types of groups were somehow able to get licensed after receiving proper training in order to work alongside law-enforcement, but the few I’ve observed on YT seem more about getting views, potential sponsorships, and monetizing content.
@@neighbor472 they are in the most minuscule minority then. As the original comment pointed out, many are not trained, do not conduct proper investigations, do not understand entrapment, and end up making sure nothing can be done in court against these predators.
Law enforcement isn't even well-trained enough to be trusted to apprehend people -- why should we trust any other rando violent people who are on a crusade to be any better?
Many of them do work alongside lae enforcement. They have a big book of evidence that they give to the reasoning officers. From there it is up to the officers to decide if they want to just let the pxdophiles roam or do something about it. Typically they just let them roam. Really sad we as a country don't just lxnch these people.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Yet they still do more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government which is content to sit back and let children be abused so long as they have their power and mountains of our stolen tax money to play God with.
Proper training? These people need a shrink more often then not, you wouldn't want them working with law enforcement (who could often use shrinks themselves).
With some groups their hearts are in the right place but others do it for a weird power trip , internet clout and CZcams money.
@@ChillCollins616 you’re missing the point they say they’re all about saving kids
Tbh as long as they catch the guys, I don't care if they're motivated by selfish reasons.
Burning that midnight oil again! Loving on us insomnia folks! Always a treat Dr. Grande!
Ha!
Entrapment is when law enforcement creates a situation wherein a person commits a crime that they would not have committed on their own. I don’t know if it applies to vigilantes. But that seems likely to be what happened with the guy who ended up in prison.
The benefits out-weigh the risk.I'm surprised at your position. Not necessarily that you feel that way, but that you feel that way strongly enough make a video speaking out against and even making fun of the people willing to try to help. The analogy about Miley Cyrus doesn't even fit. Singing and identifying a predator, one at a time, and possibly putting them on the radar of authorities without all of the red-tape that can tie the hands of authorities, are not the same thing, at all. Acknowledging the unintended consequences of their activism is fine but, again, going as far as to speak out against, and make fun of, them is not a good look, sir. I imagined more from you.
I disagree with the sentiment that self-appointed vigilantes don’t understand the risks or dubiousness of their behavior. They do comprehend these things, but view their own actions as “justifiable enough” considering those that they go after. Knowing this about them goes a long way in understanding the vigilante mindset, which is comparable to a destructive activist that feels justified by reason of their cause.
The civilian vigilantes sounds like a hip-hop or post punk group. 🤣
I picture them as jazz rap group from the 90s.
@@kauswekazilimani3736 like Digable Planets, Tribe Called Quest, or Arrested Development?
@@DreamingInTechnicolor Black Sheep, De La Soul 😂
@@kauswekazilimani3736 or almost anything touched by J Dilla!
@@kauswekazilimani3736 Mad Villain
Looking forward to this. Thanks, Grande.
You made the dude catching predators sound like a jerk. You made the predator seem like a victim. That's talent! Great job! 👍
Soul sucking talent lol
Seriously, I'm surprised this video made the cut.
That comparison between Miley Cyrus and Yoko Ono was spot on! 😂
Who else was watching Anxiety War doing this long before the boom in the market?
Interesting perspective, however I’m still pro pred catchers. Police departments (around the world) don’t have the budget or man power to do all the work these catchers do. Yes there might be some “vigilantes” doing this too, but until there is a solution, something has to be done. Without them, they would most likely never be caught as police don’t have the time. Majority of the catchers I’ve seen work very hard in setting up a successful conviction from start to finish and a lot of police departments/prosecutors applaud them. Meta data would show if chat logs have been modified… and adding trump and religion into the mix for your argument is very strange 😂
I watched a few of this guy's videos in the past and they seemed credible, but recently he's gotten more and more on the extreme left with his Trump Derangement Syndrome, theophobia, and acceptance of creepiness.
I'm so glad you covered this topic, as it's something that has become more and more prevalent online.
@@ChillCollins616 ruff ruff!
It worries me that YOU are worried that pdf catchers are becoming MORE prevalent. That is really, really worrying.
Sussy comment. Stay away from kids please
@@adulthumanfemale8666 maybe she is worried that crimes of this nature online is what is increasing?
@@adulthumanfemale8666 the problem with hunters is they can completely ruin a case against a potential predator if they step out of the bounds of the law.
Wait Jason was carrying a gun when he went to meet an underage girl?
Nah it’s fine he was just gonna take her hunting after dinner.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The undercover group got lucky! He could have opened fire on then
@@robd1329 seriously 😳
Noone feels "sympathy" for a child predator, no matter how much they are insulted by vigilantes.
I enjoyed the Yoko Ono comment, very funny. Your analyses of your subjects are interesting, interspersed with humour. Thank you for the uploads Dr Grande.
I don't think most of these Vigilantes really care about predators being put behind bars. Most of the time, they just shove a camera in people's faces without their consent (which is not admissible in court) and threaten to call the cops if they don't speak/confess to them. Some of the time they never actually call the cops because the predator confesses to them for the spectacle on their CZcams channel. All they care about is the confrontation and the power trip of holding a camera in someone's face while they yell at them and have all their viewers laugh along.
They're the same sort of disingenuous clout-chasers you get with "First Amendment audit" videos.
We ruin the predators' lives so badly that it often doesn't matter if they go to prison or not. After we perform these stings, their friends/family often abandons them, their wives leave them, they get fired from their jobs, etc. So it often doesn't even matter if they go to jail or not. One of my guys is also getting charged by the state.
Just a correction, you don’t need someones consent to record them, and that wouldn’t make it inadmissible in court. You may be confusing the state by state idea of one party/ two party consent, but that only applies to recording a conversation over the phone, not walking up in public and recording an interaction
@@Tortilla.Reform yep, it's 100% legal to record anywhere in public in the United States.
@@troyevitt2437 The only difference here is that some people doing those first amendment audit videos have caught aggressive and corrupt police officers.
Those auditors only exist because police can abuse their power and trust, and society inherently takes their word
Two words: role playing chat room, dude.
That's literally 5 words though...
Roleplaying* Chatroom*
You look like law enforcement, and I know law enforcement. Lol
@@kristenjustkristen9462 Hey, I don't wanna be on TV dawg. 😁
Hell yeah! Now I can stay up even later tonight. Thank you sir.
If authorities fail to enforce the law, it will be enforced by the people. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. It's human nature.
I've always thought that it's a big ego trip for the vigilantes. They think they're something because they do this when it's actually quite foolish behavior. I wasn't impressed with Hanson's show either because all that was going on there was monetizing foolishness.
Great video as always, Dr Grande.
FEY...I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR PERFORMANCE
CZcamsrs are making money too. Police do their job. I've watched a lot of both tho 🤷♀️
It's ok if it's a ego trip that doesn't hurt anyone and saves the lives of innocent children. Would you rather the vigilantes not take the risk and let child offenders run free? As an aspiring father myself, I'd prefer decoys and vigilantes doing what they do, regardless of their ego trip if it helps put creeps behind bars.
It depends on their actions. I went on two coupes in my late teens. Nothing recorded. Just confrontation and fights. But it turns out to be hearsay because the guy was messing with a group member’s ex.
But regarding vigilantes there’s more than just pedo vigilantes. There’s all sorts like ones that seek out drug dealers and ones with many free time who seek out commentators. If you look up Myron may, he had dealt with the commentator one.
I agree, it’s an ego trip, and a self-righteous one. I don’t side with the targets of these vigilantes, but Dr. G is right - the second these guys pick on a target their own size, or one that is truly unhinged, it’s gonna end badly for everyone involved.
While I’ll admit these guys provide a certain level of schadenfreude-style entertainment, they ultimately accomplish nothing.
Police wait until crimes happen to do anything. At least these guys are trying to stop kids from being abused before it happens.
Chatlogs are physically extracted off of devices….
I'm surprised no-one has brought a "vigilantes" to court for entrapment.
Then the chat log would become part of the court record. Don't be so surprised.
That's rich.
Love your analogy about Yoko and Miley. But remember that old proverb, "In the land of the Blind the one-eyed man is King".
LOL
Hard disagree about this one. Usually your videos feel very professional and concise, but not this one.
First, you took one case where the vigilantee had a religious background and stretched it to make it seem like being a predator hunter (one who dislikes the idea of children being taken advantage of enough that they do something about it) is the same as being a religious fanatic (which is usually associated with delusional obsession). Can these two overlap? Definitely. Are they similar? Absolutely not.
Second, you mentioned that the vigilantee used to watch a lot of Chris Hansen and that the show was cancelled because someone killed himself because of it. Truth is, someone did kill themselves. But what you didn't mention is that there is still a lot of controversy about what exactly made him do it. Some say it was because he saw the cameras outside, while others say it was due to the fact that it was the only instance in the show where the police barged into the guys home (instead of luring him to a sting house, making it less to do with the show). There's a lot more to the story (like the predator being a district attorney). Also, the show made a huge comeback around 2015 but thats unimportant.
Third, I don't know why but you're making it sound like the best course of action in this situation is to "just leave it to someone else". The police does not have limitless resources. Of course the ideal scenario would be having an infinite amount of properly trained people do it, but that will never happen. Meanwhile just the thought of the sheer amount of vigilantees lurking around posing as children may be enough of a threat to potential predators and I don't want it to be dismissed. Also, people hate relying on the police to do what's right, so theres that.
Fourth, you mentioned that the vigilantees may be initiating the sexual talk themselves but... what's your point? Kids and teens are stupid, and blab with their friends about things related to sex all the time. Its the job of the ADULT to immediately turn that shit down, and ideally lecture them about the dangers of these kinds of advances.
Sorry for the rant. I love your other videos a lot, and because of that this video irked me so much.
Thoughtful and presise objections.
Love to hear your calm and logical takes on these crazy situations!!
And witty!
11:40 this has nothing to do with the police and everything to do with the district attorney. Show some integrity and acknowledge that.
The district attorneys should allow illegally obtained and unreliable evidence in court?
@@MrAerohank "illegally obtained and unreliable" how so?
@@MrAerohank no, I said it’s up to the district attorney to use evidence by these groups, it’s not up to the police.
@@MrAerohank The evidence was so ,,illegal'' that the predator was convicted based on them :)
Making the internet less comfortable for predators to lure children is a benefit. It's necessary to expose these monsters. I'm subscribed to a few poachers. I will agree that it's dangerous. There are so many deviants out there, I commend these groups for doing their part to protect children.
Amen!
I watch and support a host of predator catchers and none of them are motivated by religious reasons. The police don’t take investigations seriously and don’t conduct them. Victims often don’t come forward and so many of these guys, it’s clear it’s not their first time. I normally appreciate what Dr Grande has to say, but this is over the line. I think your analysis is too narrow and represents a mischaracterization of a lot of good people who are doing the public a service.
These vigilantes are 100% a net positive to society. Even if they look foolish, they are exposing pedophiles, and that's a good thing.
Ahh, ok. So, you have no problem in being wrongly accused by vigilantes, and feeling their wrath? At least with police, they are trained to investigate and take appropriate action, and are actually have checks and balances. Vigilantes have no checks and balances.
Vigilante justice has proven to be an overall negative on society. If it was an overall positive, we wouldn't have police.
I agree with you.
@@Locutus No viligante justice as in thinking someone is guilty and killing them is wrong. In this case it being used to catch pedophiles i see nothing wrong with it. As an adult male there is no way anyone could entice me to meet up with an underage person for sexual purposes if I wasn't into that thing. He wasn't forced to meet her, and even tho she was supposenly 14 he kept saying ur 18 hoping she would play along and say yes giving himself an excuse if caught. So he knew what he was doing was wrong. Police catch people after a crime is committed no real resources to stop these sort of crime before someone kid is abused.
@@Locutus wrongly being accused is bad, but it's not wrongly accused when they have a whole ass conversation with someone that thinks you're a child and then you confront them. That's a very net positive to society. If police were any good at their job, they wouldn't have a need to do what they do.
@@billyirvine1914 100%
I hate to admit I am in two minds about this.
The police are overwhelmed with work and innocent girls are being victimized. But then to be fair I had a colleague who was set-up by the police and they successfully tried and imprisoned the bastard.
I was abused by older men and I was a tubby little dumpling...
If only there was a program in schools to educate. I hope and trust things have changed.
In the meantime, if done properly I am all for exposing these deviants for the exploitation and the shere gall of their wickedness.
I just don't encourage a group of good Ole boys trying to entrap a weasel.
My problem with some of these people that do these "to catch a predator" style videos is their intentions. I've seen a lot of these people (one channel in particular) that are straight up bullies. I'm not sympathizing with the people they catch, grown men trying to meet kids, but you can clearly see that some of these youtubers don't care about kids. They just found a loophole so that they can bully people, and that's ok, because those people are worse.
I've seen videos of them making fun of a guy who tried to meet a boy. But not because of that, because he was gay and he talked gay. Or videos where the guy happened to be mexican, and they kept saying "go back to your country". Non of those things had anything to do with them trying to meet 13 year olds.
It's like kicking a rabid dog. Some people just like kicking dogs.
Mmmm ya this one's a miss for me. Seems very bias. Not all predator catchers are the same btw....they're actually very different and use different tactics, most aren't even religious......unpopular opinion but most people in society don't actually gaf what happens to predators, and cops aren't doing enough in this area. Pretty sure setting up and filiming crimes is just the future 😂 might need to get used to it
I support most of the child predator catchers. They deserve to be exposed and humiliated.
The police do very little to bring these predators to justice.
There are so many creeps out there who are abusing our precious children. Even infants are victims.
My wish is for them to serve time in general population.
Always appreciate your analysis Dr. Grande.
Most of these dudes are larping clowns
Reminds me of the Internet Sleuths involved in the Elisa Lam case and how they ruined the metal musician's life, I think such organisations need more legal training and definitely need to establish an ethical behaviour through which they interact with targets. There are several OSINT Organisations who work on unsolved cases, and they always submit their findings to law-enforcement.
I think it’s a dangerous game when people take justice into their own hands.
Brilliant review, you made some excellent points. Thank you, Dr. Grande!❤
Those groups are about exposure. There's not handing out justice.
Hi Rejane - Children must be protected. But the psychology of these predators is so very sad! They seem to be very resistant to any treatment and re-offend! They can't be allowed to endanger kids but how to stop them in time is so problematic! We need better resources but I don't know what they are?🤔😓
@@bthomsonWe definitely need more resources to protect our children. However, I do think that mental health treatment is the cure to so many ailments in society. If we had more easily available resources such as mental health counseling and psychiatric consults, maybe we would have more stability in the overall population and less crime.
Some of these groups have legit stopped some child abductions and caught registered sex offenders. The problem is (this is common among vigilante groups who take on these) they begin overstepping their grounds..To keep things exciting for their viewers (a lot of them is about views and subscribes) they get more edgy. I've seen one channel as their popularity grew they started getting more aggressive & confrontational on their "catches." In other words, they get more cocky and "comfortable" the more they do it. I think that's a problem.
Heavy sack beatings are up a whopping 900%
Eventually one of them is going to get killed. Chris Hansen and his qualified security personnel (and present law enforcement) knew how to handle potential dangerous situations. These wannabe vigilante guys however tend to deliberately be provocative.
The system
The courts
The judges
The DAs
If they would do their jobs...they would not have this problem. They deserve what they get. Vigilantes will do the job if they won't met out justice, TRUE justice.
I doubt this was Jason's first time.
Another great video Dr. Grande .Love from Ireland.
Thank you Dr Grande, your speculation and opinion is highly regarded and greatly appreciated.
Over 50 pct of children live in a single parent home with very little supervision and schools don't help, that's where grade schoolers learn things concerning, sex, orientation and trans genderism that I didn't learn till I was out of school. Hopefully any moral minded person would be concerned. So what the problem really is, is that government agency aren't doing what taxpayers want them to do. I guess if you don't try and meet a child for sex you won't have anything to worry about.
It would be great if they would bring back that show. To Catch a Predator is an oldie, but goodie.
To Catch A Predator has a dirty secret; NBC doesn't want you to know that after the T.C.A.P. arrests, judges and DAs dropped a significant amount of the charges. That fact was brought to light by a competing network, ABC. ABC dug in and found out that DAs and judges had problems with the way evidence was collected by non-police entities-NBC Television and Perverted Justice.
The police played too small a role, compromising chain-of-custody, and were often just the muscle that tackled the sickos as they left the decoy houses. When evidence is gathered by a TV network motivated by ratings and ad revenue, it gives defense attorneys ammo to prove the network was biased in favor of landing the arrest footage.
@@PrettyFLY4aWiFi. those aren't new, I don't think. I think the suicide of that one guy made the networks drop the show due to liability.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Nah others offed themselves too. He was just a rich, important assistant DA.
@@MiguelDLewis I didn't remember he was an assistant DA. OOF!
So does that mean that they are seriously still making new ones? I thought Hansen said they were done when I saw him on YHM, fairly recently.
Chris Hansen is rolling out a new show in November
I think you were a bit harsh on the vigilantes. They are trying to prevent children having sex with grown men. That’s a worthwhile cause.
Hi Dr. Grande 👋🏼 Still lovin your videos content and your consistency. So rare these days. Thanks for all the uploads. I love getting these notifications you have a new video out....makes my day....sometimes twice a day. 😀
We are all suffering since Sam O'nella Academy stopped uploading videos.
@@bast4rdlyreaper never heard of that. Thanks for the recommendation!
Thanks for bringing this up. its a huge area of very sick people preying on innocent kids. But, what solution is there to prevent and police this??? I cant think of another better than this.
Someone has to do it. If any child is saved from their perpetrators I don't care.
In BC, a vigilante set up a guy for a sting. They got him, they gloated... and showed the world that they had entrapped a mentally disabled man. 👏
I can't fault vigilantes, not like law enforcement does anything substantial against predators on their own...
You sound really intelligent
@@willnill7946 big thank
@@willnill7946 predator?
I can. Nobody, not a single set of individuals on the planet wants child predators around (except child predators), doesn't matter who you are. But being a vigilante is not the solution, at least not untrained and unsupervised.
If there was a program, assistance for mentally questionable people to avoid becoming a predator, good reporting for families and a less aggressive and targeted police force or an independent task force, this would be a lot less of an issue.
Sadly no matter what, most child assault happens from family members meaning the biggest thing we can do is teach people how to raise kids and report things when we see any hints.
Dr. G. On topics of law and order, philosophy, civil rights, etc, you always make great, reasonable points.
Terrifying. I don’t know if I can handle this.
Handle civilians who catch pdfiles? Why not?
Waiting for Gordon Flowers or Chet Goldstein to enter the chat
Batman comes to mind as fictional character vigilantes. a moral compass is often compromised when it comes to these real life types of vigilantes. sometimes people have to make a stand but usually thier moral justification is sketchy.
Everyone in this comments section is misusing the word “vigilante”
"get a confession on camera to show the cops" seems like pretty easy moral justification
Yeah that's not vigilantism.. 🤦♂️
I think that people like phunter007 have a better approach. He has a calm conversation and puts there face on the internet, then he files a police report
If a bunch of people see his videos a lot of reports start flooding into police. He's a very brave man and much more civil than the other vigilantes
There have been men that he's helped with mental health issues and he's also found alternatives to getting police involved for the younger ones.
But those faces have to be exposed, that way we can know if there are other victims or if it's really "just my first time I swear man"
And my rebuttal To your comment about this just being an attempt It's solving a complex problem, The key is someone is trying something, These predator catchers Will both numbers as high as 300 a year but policeWon't catch that many in their career
I'd have to agree. Phunter007 is more tame then the others.. he does get worked up and prolong the videos sometimes tho .. but he seems to be chiller then most
First time and young age means nothing. The life and health of an innocent child is more important. You know that the world has morally gone down the drain when we have "false compassion for perverts" as Bishop Fulton Sheen put it. Next, we'll be blaming investigative journalists who expose Catholic priests...
@@eternalrewind2190 I'm so scared for him. I don't even live in Canada but I admire him so much. People like him prove that the world isn't just an unchecked free-for-all
@@neighbor472 yeah that's the one. I'd have to admit if it were me "stinging" these guys it would become a much more extortion/slavery/blackmail type relationship rather than an interview
Chet Goldstein/Alex/Gordon ia my favorite
Thank you. A few years ago I saw CZcams videos of these Chris Hansen copycats and at first I thought it was cool that they were helping out taking down these predators, until I realized that by the end of the video, the perpetrators never get arrested. I believe that some of these people think they’re really doing the right thing and feel frustrated when it seems like police aren’t doing anything, but in reality they’re often derailing ongoing investigations or ruining their chances in court for a successful conviction.
Arrest or not, isn't it a somewhat off-putting experience?
Where is your evidence that any investigation was ever derailed by these people?
They often do get arrested. What are you talking about?
Which ones were you watching? There are plenty of channels wherein the people are almost always arrested and convicted.. Try Colorado Ped Patrol or PP Southeast Texas
@@Sloimer maybe so, I was just talking about the ones that I watched though. And even when arrested, that doesn’t mean convicted, and you know that their lawyer is gonna try their damn hardest to claim that the evidence should be thrown out because of things like entrapment and unethical/messy investigations, and often times they would be right.
I have observed these so-called "creep catchers" and I feel they are motivated by some prurient need to exact vengeance or "justice" on someone who is not worthy of sympathy. Furthermore, they seem to try to present themselves as "winners" in the fight against child exploitation and I think that's pretty messed up. There really are no winners here.
Children are the winners.
The creep catchers are doing more to protect children and bring forth justice than the federal government, but then again you got to think the federal government is infested with pxdophiles who are just trying to look out for their own kind. Look at uncle Joe and his rxpe showers and comments about him being 30 and "her" being 14. Imagine living in the timeline where we elected a pxdophile.
the winners are the preds. these idiots mess up and current or future investigation. now the pred nearly has to be found with a live boy or ded girl. to get anything to stick.
IMHO, in terms of character traits, many of them are grade a creep material themselves.
That said: At least they don't really harm non-creeps.
Have a word with yourself and stop feeling sorry for predators! Of course they feel a sense of winning, these stings are hard work and horrible but what keeps them going is the hope they will catch the man who is trying to abuse children. They deserve a medal. There is a few prominent groups in the U.K. who have had excellent success and have been on TV etc. As long as they are organised and do not break any laws or harm the abuser and let the law deal with them. No sympathy for them. This isn’t a “both sides” thing.
The issue is he isn't talking to a minor and they're using a picture of an adult woman. It's entrapment.
Please educate yourself on the definition of entrapment.
They literally canceled to catch a predator because a piece of crap sick pervert killed themselves? Honestly that's disgusting the vast majority of people I know think that's the best route.
You are a friend of Putin. Go join up! He will welcome you. Enjoy your life now. Find friends who appreciate you.
Ah yes, he read the Bible. He must be a good guy.
Idk, a lot of these groups have caught legitimately scary people who needed to be caught, but the police weren’t doing anything about it. I just don’t think there’s ever a reason for a middle aged man to meet with a 13 year old 🤷♀️
Facts.
Nah, man. These vigilantes often don't have a proper grasp of what constitutes entrapment, so no matter how wrong the person they "catch" is, there is no legal recourse. This means that these groups end up just teaching predators how to be better predators, which makes everyone less safe.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 yeh it’s better if they just meet them and hand out a floging. It’s less likely someone would meet up with a kid, if they just got bashed trying too do so
@@Hydro-od2rt doubtful. But it will make them better predators, because they will learn from their mistakes. Meaning that they are more likely to victimize more people for much longer. They just become better at it with every beating.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Idk tho they’re most likely too do thos same things any ways right, at least have them get there head stomped on by a couple guys there more likely to reconsider there actions in future, It’s better then nothing tho right
Trump is living in the good doctor's head rent free like it's AirBnB. The TDS is strong in the Good Doctor Todd.
Thanks, Doc!
REQUEST: Hi Dr. Grande! I do not know if you listen to Swindled podcast (my favorite), but there is an extensive episode about Budd Dwyer and his suicide during his resignation speech on live television. Could you please cover this case and make a case for his guilt/innocence in regard to the charges brought against him? I just watched your video about Christine Chubbuck and it reminded me of Budd Dwyer's live suicide (a very disturbing and incredibly sad case as well).
I always love it when Doc says
"because of the murder part"
Call me old fashioned but that's a pretty big/important part
His deadpan delivery of jokes is one of my favorite parts of his videos. I think one of the first videos I saw of his was about a dad that killed his kids (or something like that,) and Dr. Grande ended up saying something like "thereby temporarily suspending his campaign for father of the year to do this..."
I subscribed immediately.
Have you watched this podcast on CZcams (or listened elsewhere?) They have several different Playlists (so you get an understanding if the podcast will be discussing a serial killer, or some kind of wild conspiracy, and so on. I believe on of those playlists is named "the killing part" (and obviously it's the playlist of the podcasts on high profile killers). Just thought it was a clever name and I noticed it immediately.
I know I’m thinking with my emotions more than I’m being logical, because I hear what you’re saying, but as a dad to a 4 year old, I wish we had these vigilantes in every city in America. Just because predator kills himself here and there, or just because a few people go crazy sometimes, I have nooooo issues with these people protecting our kids. More often than not, these hero’s put people behind bars or at least make the community aware of them.
Here’s a crazy thought…..if people stop fucking with our children, predator catchers will have to go back to their day jobs.
I don’t get this video, Dr. Grande. Jason was guilty. Maybe instead of scolding the vigilantes, scold the slow ass police departments who aren’t doing anything.
You mention the vigilantes interrupting the cops…..maybe the cops should actually do something.
I do agree with you on the candor of the vigilantes. I definitely don’t condone the violent rhetoric. Simply catch them and send them to jail.
If anyone comments, I’m willing to listen to reason. My thoughts aren’t written in stone.
Vigilantes are always a bad thing, no matter what. There needs to be a set of rules on how to properly behave and make sure that the person/persons rights and dignities are proteced. That's why we have trained people to do that. Justice can never be based on feelings and never be served based on emotions. All people no matter what the crime they are accused of (or guilty of) shall be treated equally. Vigilantes can on the surface seem like a good thing but in reality it's a bad thing. They don't have the skills required and they don't know the law. Sharing videos of people "getting caught" online with faces and names is a bad thing. People if found guilty of a crime, are according to law inncocent when they have done time served in jail, and must therefore be treated as innocent. They have paid their debt to society. Vigilantes do not have the skills required to do what they are doing.
Garbage. These people aren't "vigilantes", they turn the chatlogs over to the police.
If the cops were doing their job there would be no space for public catchers.
You don't have children. OBVIOUSLY.
@@ChillCollins616 Was thinking the same thing when I read your comment. I need a shower, I feel dirty
Good thing pred catchers are not vigilantes then, homeboy.
@@kristoffersmith8289 It's the principle of the rights of people in the legal system i am defending. If you say that these 'vigilantes', are setting up sting operations and then handing the chatlogs over to the authorities, then it woud never e accepted as evidence and these same people have also violated the law. You cannot pretend to be an investigator and think that somwhow you you are allowed to do an illegal act or bend the rules, which not even the police are allowed to d, the police also have to obtain legal justification in order to spy on someone and that's a good thing, otherwise it would easy to violate teh right of privacy. You must have a specific reason to investigate some individual or group and i do believe that the authorities are doing everythig they can to arrest individuals who violates the law, but they need to prove without doubt and the evidence has to be obtained in a correct manner, to ensure that no corrupt evidence has been submitted. There has to be stringent rules for evidence collecting in order to protect the innocent and to make sure that a fair trial will be taking place. What we see from vigilantes is video of someone they "caught" and then they try to humiliate them, but we havent seen any actual evidence and we do not hear from the accused party their side of the story. We can also assume that any evidence obtained from these vigilantes, would be wrongfully collected. Vigilantes are not above the law, and to interfere (violate) with other peple privacy is illegal.
We must have unbiased people (judges, lawyers etc.) to make an fair judgement call in any criminal case.
I think there is a strong sadism component to those people's behavior. They are like a bunch of bullies trying to justify the humiliation of their victims with a noble goal.
It is better to be sadistic towards a potential child offender than to be merciful. Death threats and public humiliation are better than hurt children.
@@neighbor472 That would work with any potential offender. They feel desire to harass someone, but don't want to look bad. So they target a group of people who are 'safe' to hate and harass.
@@Maxwe11Z The intention doesn't matter. The action does. I'm innocent and I would gladly take harassment if it helps save a child's life.
The ,,victims'' are a bunch of dudes that were attepting to statutory rape minors.....
You're channeling your inner J. Jonah Jameson Dr. Grande. Let's applaud vigilantes as a whole.
I don't mind vigilantism if it is done properly. I'd rather this than someone on the streets that is willing to harm a child.
When your child is a victim, you will feel very differently.
I was a 5 year old victim and agree with Dr.Grande.
Monitor your children
Hello Dr. Todd Grande, I do agree with most of your points on social vigilantes. They do hamper with Police investigations and most cases against most predators get tossed in the courts because of their interference. However, as a businessman and on the social side of this issue, it brings to light who most people really are and it eventually falls onto people like myself if we want to hire them or even do business with them after knowing what they tried to do. In my opinion, this whole topic about predators & vigilantes is an ugly one as I never have encountered a predator when I conduct business, but as any normal person I absolutely despise predators and who they are.
They have huge egos. Justice system already is unfair at times, no need to add a bunch of untrained yahoos trying to catch people. Great points always. Thanks Dr G😊💞💞
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I’ve never seen a group with huge egos and I follow a lot of these channels. You could argue the police would also be untrained yahoos as they would most likely be thrown on a 1 week course as “training”. These catchers focus solely on predator hunting, see it as a specialty which they get better and better at the more they do because that’s all they do. Police have a much broader scope on what they cover and are busy enough as it is on a day to day basis. So you could actually argue - “a jack of all trades is a master of none”
@@montana6489 As Dr G said they make many mistakes. Good intent doesn't always mean great outcomes. They have no law degrees and could wrongly set someone up/cause them to go to jail.. They are mostly yahoos. Bringing cops issues into this is off subject and deflecting.
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@@zenawarrior7442 How many current pred catchers have been convicted of setting someone up? How many?
Well said! Vigilantism can be appealing on an emotional level, but is a disaster-waiting-to-happen in reality. Best to leave it on the movie screens and in the comics.