A Trip Through The Transition with Roger Atkins & Imogen Bhogal | The Fully Charged Podcast
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- On today’s podcast, recorded around Robert’s own kitchen table are returning guests, Roger Atkins and FC presenter, Imogen Bhogal.
Roger is one of the most informed speakers working today having spent 15 years around EVs and 38 years total in the automobile industry. As a Linkedin "Top Voice", he boasts 300,000 followers on the platform. Before joining FC, Imogen Bhogal graduated from the University of Oxford with a first in Mechanical Engineering before working for Jaguar Land Rover as an Aerodynamics Engineer and later at Arrival as Head of City Engagement and Integration.
Roger, Imogen and Robert go all over the battery map in this episode discussing battery advancements, Roger’s recent trips, new books, mining the ocean and board game 'Settlers of Catan' even gets a shout out. Stay tuned until the end to hear Roger lower the tone with an odious, yet hilarious analogy for climate change.
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This was the most joyful hour and a half in Robert's kitchen chatting battery nonsense! We had all been feeling a little doom and gloom at the state of the world and it was so nice to reflect on all the things we can be hopeful about! I hope you enjoy it as much as we did!
Sure did! The world is changing quickly and it’s really quite exciting! 👍
I think you didn't really get going on your ideal battery capacity point Imogen...
I've not been there and seen it for myself, but Oxford car parks have loads of 22kW chargers, which are ideal for people who are parked for a few hours. How about expanding that? City centre, railway station and business park car parks should have masses of 7.4kW (and even 3.7kW) chargers so people who work there and park for the day can charge for the full eight hours. People need to be incentivised (by cost) to select the appropriate charger for their needs, then you need fewer ultra fast chargers because they're not in use by someone who doesn't need that speed. The local supermarkets near me all have super fast charging, but only one or two charge points that are really expensive to use (except Lidl which is more reasonable). Why don't they have rows of 22kW points so someone who shops for 1 - 1.5 hours gets a decent amount of juice? The right chargers in the right place is what I'm saying I suppose. There's a place for ultra fast, but that is on motorways and trunk roads where people are having to interrupt their journey, whereas the other use cases are while you are doing something else
And one more thing, the cost needs to come down, or there will forever be a chasm between people who can charge at home at night and people who charge on a public charger
Came here to say the same; 3 delightful, knowledgeable, positive people adding joy to the world.
I love the hobbit map idea. ❤
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They need to work on who does what and supplies whom in the battery space.... Not a clue.
Wonderful
Compliments on the excellent sound and video quality, like being in the kitchen with you, amazing. The politeness was a breath of fresh air, no talking over one another, thumbs up from me. plus Robert actually listened for a change.
Probably my favourite episode in a while. They are almost always good, but I just enjoyed this one so much. Thank you!
Really enjoying this everyone, it certainly gives me Hope!!! I wish our parliament was so inspiring as you lot! Thanks again! ❤
Great show, giggle, giggle, I love you people ,you are just keeping it real. Thank you.
I have to say that the comment from Imogen - what she did in the classroom with the teenagers - that was cool on SO MANY LEVELS, I am absolutely impressed. The rest of the discussion is amazing, but this will be with me for a LONG time.
Thank you!! There weren't too many eye rolls from the teenagers!
@@ImogenBhogal And that itself is another level of win :)
The materials good or bad for the environment will maintain it's footings based on lobbying money's.
Great unscripted EV/Energy discussion. Enjoyable and informative.
Only just started watching this and Roger’s talk of hope has got me welling up. I needed to hear that. Thanks Roger ❤
Edit: 8:48
Great discussion. So informative. Thank you all. Need much more of this.
This has cheered me up no end.... Thanks... I get cheered watching the new off-shore wind farm forming in the Firth of Forth from Eyemouth.
Great to see you all around the kitchen table and not so long after I've actually been able to meet you all at FC North and South, which was a great pleasure. A couple of bits I wanted to mention; the media highlighting problems rather than solutions is true but they are concentrating on problems with renewables/BEVs, I haven't seen daily news reports on the daily occurring oil leaks/spills/explosions/flaring off, or a running total of deaths from air pollution, floods, fires. We all know that the reason for over stating issues with the transition are sponsored by the fossil fuel industry. And thank you for highlighting the death and destruction caused everyday by air pollution, my friends 12 year old daughter is being treated for throat cancer caused by the air pollution in her city. So for all those complaining about the inconvenience and cost of ULEZ etc...I don't care, catch public transport. Finally the hail storm; couldn't solar panels in high risk areas be given less rigid (rubber?) mounts, to absorb some of the impact? Or motorised to turn end on during the storm? I'm assuming these are in solar farms, on frames. Thanks again and great to see the Stop Burning Stuff launch, to counter the BS with facts.
Solar panels that track (move) likely can't react fast enough to turn out of harms way. They are supposed to go flat in high wind to reduce stress, but a sudden downburst from a thunderstorm will hit the solar array and tip it over or shear it from its mounts. The only way to reduce the chance of wind damage is smaller arrays of 5 kW in windy areas. As they discussed if the hail is that big a glass panel is just going to break. This is why we carry insurance on the system😂,
They could use ultrasound or infrared pulses shot above the panels towards the sky to destroy the ice balls before impact 😁
@@JohnRoss1 You'd only need sensors around the area to detect the storm was heading their way. The panels could be vertical before the first hail stones arrive.
👍👍 Best episode of the FCPC in a long time. While so many of the guests on other episodes are interesting, this was the most enjoyable and listenable to date - and I know to never share an elevator with Robert.
The best podcasts, for me at least, are between good presenters. I know having industry experts gives you first-hand knowledge of a subject from those who DO rather than those who TALK about it, but good communicators just make the podcast experience so much more pleasant.
Great Podcast. The only problem is my reading list just keeps getting longer when I watch/listen to these.
I would really like Robert to revisit his Podcast from about 3 years ago when he talked to Baroness Bryony Worthington about moving to a renewable energy future with government and business working together to get there in a planned and sustainable way. I wonder what she can report to us today about how we have progressed from that time a few years ago to where we are today.
We need just such a roadmap here in North America.
Can't wait to see some of you at FullyChargedLive here in Canada in 6 or so weeks from now!!
Really great podcast guys, thanks. Great job roping Imogen in, we think she's brilliant (even if JB has never heard of her)
One of the best episodes among an extremely high caliber of usual episodes. Loved it. Thank you so much.
*Year 2033:* After the Green Tidal Wave, most petrol stations turned into either charging stations or garden centers. Old ICE cars usually have to travel 30 km to fill up a petrol tank (now only 860p per litre).
Here in Colorado, they are building a brand new gas station within walking distance of my house. There must be tons of hoops one must have to jump through for that. It seems extremely short-sighted to me.
Near me a BP station was demolished and is now a Tesco supermarket.
Many are "hand car wash's".
Biofuels are simple to brew. CZcams is very good. In 10 years people will will be using their EVs to run their house because of grid unteliability
@@robindumpleton3742what country has an unreliable grid, I am UK based and it's so reliable it tickles mainstream news when something big goes south lol
I live rural and have a couple of cuts a year, these days they are normally well under the hour ❤
well, what great fun that was - thanks folks!
Thanks, to all three of you for an informative and entertaining discussion. A nice bonus to see the Lads from Liverpool in attendance!
I experienced golf ball sized hail once in the UK, south east of London, it was the early 1980's , lasted a few minutes - I stupidly went outside and got hit on the back of my hand by one about half the size of a golf ball , ran back in pretty quick, I think it was very localised and in the days before social media you couldn't really discuss it with anyone
Probably the best episode I've watched in a while. So much good info and links to books...win win!
As always this show just gets better and better appart from introducing me properly to evs and inspired me to buy one its also educated me in green energy and so many things , thanks
As always not only very informative but very entertaining!
Love this! News from your kitchen. Awesome.
Aha, I also bought a car the day after that infamous hailstorm!
I bought a used Nissan Pintara for half it's prior $9500 listed price.
The car motor, interior & new windscreen were immaculate, while the panels were dimpled like a golf ball.
Quite liked it:)
Super fun podcast. Loved it. Should get this crew back for a round 2
Yes, can we have a 4 hour podcast please! 😊
Lex Fridman territory.
Great episode! Love your enthusiasm 😆👍🏻
Great fun, what a fantastic bunch!
A really good episode some very good points.
One of the best conversations I have ever heard about the state of Evs
50:00 I just went to purchase all of the books in the fully charged book corner from this episode. And I think that maybe fullly charged people get to proofread a lot of energy transition, biology and industry books early because of their position. I don't have any problem with that but half of the books were pre-orders when I bought them. It's been lovely listening to you guys and very informative as always.
On the topic of the continuation of the internal combustion engine, there has been recent sizable pushback to the EV transition. I know this was covered in another podcast you did recently.
I think the actions and remarks from VW re their concerns for their EV business, the roll of Porsche in 'watering down' EU policy re emission policy in Europe, the roll of some of the biggest Japanese car brands in moving the dialogue away from EV, and off course the root of many of these issues in the politics from the fossil fuel industry in the USA; these are hot issues to not lose sight on. Expect big push-back against EV transition over the coming years.
Brilliant fun, but insightful episode...keep them coming.
Loved this - thanks for the book recommendations, too. Do this again, please . . .
Possibly one of the most informative balanced FC episodes, I seriously get annoyed by the ranty style episodes (I appreciate that a lot of people enjoy them) we need more episodes like this, it's more approachable 👍
That play on words should win an award. Funny AF. Thank you for not cutting it out!!!! Best laugh all week!
So right to emphasise how EVs improve air quality AS WELL AS the climate change argument.
Quite right Roger, look for solutions. 😅 I eliminated the word "problem " from my vocabulary. I now only see situations that sometime need solutions. 😮 😅
Amazingly well-informed and balanced discussion.
The only thing I would add is they should check out how externalities affect GDP,
Thank you.
Regarding hail storms and PV- most solar panels continue to work after being damaged by major hail storms. An Australian research found only ~10% production capacity loss after such events in a few PV farms. Also, fixing damaged solar panels is easy, fast and cheap. Especially when compared to big centralized power stations (fossil, hydroelectric, nuclear...).
PV farms show remarkable resilience even against intentional bombing by Russia in Ukraine.b
Good point about Ukraine. The running story at the moment is "mines observed at Nuclear Plant occupied by Russia"
The implications are concerning.
his was a great disscussion, helped me work out how to say what I want to talk about in my upcoming video.
More of these, please.
Thanks again guys and gals. 44:27
Well, that was a lot of fun. I also have Kate Raworth's book book on my shelf and fully intend to read it at some point.
I love the map idea. I could be like an intelligence map.
Top three, a must listen on Google podcasts
49:00 I agree to try to pick up the nodules instead of scraping the ocean floor. However, you'd have to leave some nodules in the same area because marine animals use the nodules to perch on, hunt from etc. As I Environmental Chemist in the US, I am against deep sea mining because I have seen almost 50 years of bad mining practices and political lies in my lifetime. However, I do take your point. All mining practices need to improve.
Something that doesn't seem to be high on any radar is how we efficiently recycle all of these ICE cars that are going to be replaced before their normal lifetime. They will likely have lots of materials that can be utilised if we are ready and prepared for the task, otherwise they will be left to rot. I also think that the industry needs to look deeper into the engine replacement possibilities. It's being done on a small scale, but the potential is huge. There are lots of perfectly good cars that can have an excellent extended life without their polluting ICE engines.
we have had a morning frost, and had to start the diesel to warm up. The stink that hung around and drifted into the garage was horrendous. Cant wait to get our EV.
great show.
I've seen the petal solar arrays that can be folded up for severe weather conditions.
I have solar on my house and it works great.
thx
bill c
Cracking show
Great stuff
Subbed Roger!
Talk about hail storm, look up the hail storm from 2017 that hit Colorado near the Colorado Mills Mall, am I was closed for months on end, I'm sure glad I didn't own a car that time! A lot of people totaled their cars! I was nearly home when the hail started going crazy... I road my bike 🚲 to from work! Never forget that day, lol my son was in 5th grade 😂🥰
Great fun 👏
Thanks for the discussion.
In my view internal combustion engines will disappear quite qickly as batteries take over in more and more applications.
The cell format for BEV batteries (and related traction like applications) still needs to evolve. Thus Tesla has its cylindrical 21250 jelly roll; BYD blade shaped cells, other manufacturers, various prismatic 'brick' shaped cells.
Ultimately, cost of manufacture, efficiency and safety will lead to one main configuration. Form will then follow function.
It may take some years for the optimum configuration to become clear. As manufacturers close in on the 'optimum', costs will rapidly reduce.
What's a "21250"?
Tesla has....
"18650". Supplied by Pansonic in Japan, used in the Model S/X
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"2170". Manufactured in a long standing partnership with Panasonic, at the Nevada Gigafactory, the predominant cell until recently, used in Model 3, Model Y, certain storage products and early versions of the Tesla Semi truck.
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They also use cells of various form factors supplied by CATL, LG, and recently (rumoured?) BYD.
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Finally, in the last year they have been producing limited, but increasingly significant numbers of in-house *4680* cylindrical cells.
THESE are currently ramping in production.
They use numerous innovative processes, materials and techniques and will become *THE* cell format of choice, mainly due to the ability to produce not only a large quantity of cells, but more importantly a super high output capacity (TeraWatt hours) from a comparatively small factory, using less energy and far fewer undesirable chemicals.
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This cell will be incredibly cheap, quite possibly limited only by raw material supply.
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The dimensions also make the cell suitable for use as a structural element in the chassis, making the vehicle lighter, safer, more efficient, plus(!) Innovation within the cell should (will) result in
Much less heat generation (better efficiency) and faster charging.
Hail is quite common in the southern US and it is robust (having lived in Texas, I can attest to this), not to mention tornados and/or hurricanes.
Roger is awesome and so positive. To elaborate on the group think, What usually gets lost is the stark reality that EV sales have slowed as all the early adopters already have one. It’s vital to pivot to the next quartile of potential buyers. Folks like me who are open to it but frankly a bit ignorant. It needs a new marketing approach (such as Jim Farley identified with the lightning)
Re "EV sales slowing"
Not really due to the "post early adopter" dip.
Tesla is selling VERY well.
The issue is that other companies are hitting the "hump" predicted by some (myself included) of having to fund viable EVs with Fossil Fuel profits, advertising both and not having the technology or the production facilities for the next phase of ubiquitous, cheap (cheaper) EVs.
Jim Farley is being.... 'necessarily pragmatic', trying to survive until 2025, by which time they *might* have their factory open for vehicles *and* batteries (with, it seems, the assistance of Tesla)
It's the end game of the industry attitude in the early 2010s.
The Black Berry moment for ICE is coming faster than any one can imagine. We will still see ICE vehicles for a long time on the roads like we still saw steam locomotives well into the 60's. Price parity will be a major turning point, it's also coming sooner than we all expect.
Read Cate Raworth and on a lighter heart also The Papilagi which puts us in different perspective.
My brain just switches off when Roger speaks , probably just me .
For those who don't get who Christina Bu is, whom they mentioned around the 27:30 mark, she is the CEO of the Norwegian Electric Car association.
(Needs Bjørn on board!!)
Astroneer is a game that incorporates materials and mining. Highly reccomend.
On mining and future minerals, did you not watch the last Elon showcase where they set out the future is easily attainable by not needing to mine anymore as there’s already plenty minerals etc available
Will Settlers of Cathodan be available on the Everything Electric merch store? Preferably with the enchanted map 😁
Nice episode, enjoyed it very much.
P.S.:
Robert, you still seem to love the solar roadway scam (according to the thumbnail). Did I miss your episode where you corrected your former video and apologized to ask the experts you ridiculed? 😉
Magic!
When is Fully Charged Live coming to the east coast of the USA
I agree everything in panel says except that ICE goes to stay for a long time. I believe in the near future (probably 15 years) ICE cars/mechanics will be economically not viable.
Interesting, yes the collapse of the ICE new car market would seem inevitable and quite fast now. The speed with which the legacy ICE fleet will disappear could well be underestimated. As ICE cars age they tend to start to cost more to maintain, in addition the fuel cost becomes a higher proportion of the residual value making it less and economic depending on your annual mileage. We haven't seen a disruption quite like this before - there's CRT to flat screens, mobile phones to smart phones but this is expensive heavy technology. This is a pretty unique shift.
I agree. Once people realise they’re sat on a pot of money that they can use to buy a lovely EV, they’ll get rid of their ICE car more and more quickly. And the resale value of 2nd hand ICE cars is going to fall and the ICE owners are going to quickly realise that their “pot of money” is melting like snow in the sunlight. 😂 which will only accelerate the switch. We have a petrol head in our neighbourhood (2 classic cars, 1 big SUV, 1 leisure van and what not), had always been moaning about EVs. His daughter shows up the other day, having bought a Mini electric. She took him for a drive and the guy is now amazed “so smooth to drive”, etc… people… I swear 🤪
Yeah, 80% of new cars will be EV globally by 2028 based on the adoption and cost curves.
3 years
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The adoption will be literally "As many as they can make"
Cricket ball sized hail will go through lower quality roofs. Hail storms are very localized, and not a reason to not put solar in. Just put some insurance on the solar panels.
realy enjoyed the segways! 🙂
I would so love all three of you in a talk/forum I'm going to tomorrow night about "the next stop for emissions reductions in lutruwita/Tasmania: electrification of vehicles, and increased public and active transport", my worry is that the panel could be heavy on fossil fuel advocates/lobbyists. I like how you say though it's about reducing emissions and giving us cleaner air.
First of all I really really want that map. Second I have long thought a product price should reflect the total cost of its creation impact and cleanup at purchase. This would have to be implemented over time. Also I seem to remember a pneumatic car that used compressed air for its battery what ever happened to that company? That could bridge the transition to electric now.
No, it couldn't (bridge the gap)
regarding combustion engines - is a mix of direct hydrogen burning + synthetic fuels something that can give enough of the market or soften the transition? efuels wouldn’t solve air quality, and both would need to be net zero generated. My feeling is that the volume will be low and price high to the point where BEVs are just simpler (if it takes 4x the electricity to make efuel/H2 then you could have electrified 4x as many BEVs than alternatives). So perhaps more suited for the legacy ICE fleet and/or low volume supercars, and some nice use cases (perhaps farm machinery/other)?
Hydrogen burning is both incredibly inefficient and corrosive to existing engines (contrary to what some will say)
Just btw, if you really think it through, there is NO green hydrogen, untill the grid is 100% green..... At which point you don't need "green" hydrogen of transport.
Biofuels are incredibly energy intensive to produce.
I really enjoyed this episode. Next time you have a good discussion. Cut it up. Make episodes. It doesn't have to be 4 hours. But it would be nice.
Interestingly, Tesla solar tiles are designed (and do!) withstand hail!
There were some tests published online by Tesla years ago showing various objects, hitting normal tiles and a Tesla solar tile and the Tesla tile withstood all impacts!
Found it!:
czcams.com/video/imoSl2Y8LPU/video.html
So just like their Cybertruck windows then...
And how about Robotaxis and all the other Elon fanboy vaporware.... SMH....
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You know your comment won't age well
@@rogerstarkey5390 denial, is not a river in Egypt
"Robert's Kitchen Talks" - mmmm...I think, judging by the quality of discussion on this one - it could definitely become a thing I'm interested in.....
The perfect battery size is a compromise. As energy density grows, we can have larger capacity while maintaining or reducing weight and material usage. And I think we'll continue to grow in capacity until we get down to a 5min 80% charge. Even when it's only ~5% of the time that the majority of us are driving beyond the vehicle range. Once we get to that 5min 80% charging time, then we'll likely start seeing a reduction in average battery capacity.
Robert coined the Phrase "Miles per Bladder".
That's all you need
As for charging, the associated "comfort stop" will be longer than 5 minutes (assuming you walk to the facility and wash your hands?) 10-15 minutes is fine.
Wow meeu likes darting around that parking garage!
I live in Calgary, Canada and we get some severe hail storms. But I've been told that solar panels are still more durable than the asphalt shingle roofs we have everywhere around here.
FYI. The Nebraska hail was baseball sized. Nothing can withstand that. As for Calgary hail storm, yes we just had one a few hours ago and every time I'm concerned for my many windows.
@@Obscurai Oh, totally agree, nothing will withstand that. Very much echo's Imogen's comment that it's odd solar panels would get highlighted when everything would be damaged.
This episode really should've been 2 hours. The end tastes like much more ^_^
Hope you folks enjoyed the "Stroopwafels" ;)
Engineers in Europe reveal EV with batteries that charge in under 4 minutes
The Electric Viking
For me personally my conversion to EV's has always been about Air Quality and driving experience. The problem with politics is that it polarises people especially about the global warming and Co2 emissions rather than extolling the positives of driving EV's
This was such fun, just gets better and better, it reminded me of the barmy but intelligent laughs I used to have with my old school chum Sheena Bradley (as was) in Maidstone, Kent.
She went into computer programming from school in the late seventies before computers were as ubiquitous as they are now. I often wonder what happened to her since I last saw her and if shes met any other gay people who might have made her regret walking out on me when I came out to her forty years ago this year! I'm still with the same person so I'm still no danger to her!
I think it must have been the fart jokes in the lift and the ridiculous giggling over suck, squeeze, bang, blow that made me think of her. 🤣
Wonder if she's still about or maybe she's gone to America and joined the barmy army who follow the man who's name is synonymous with a fart!
Apart from all the wonderful things this podcast does can it find out what happened to my once best friend?!🧐😅🙏👍💚
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Please make that map (or in video form)
33:20 exactly Imogen!!
6:56 this is about 2 tons of CO2 btw
Just a small point , there is no need to burn anything to create extreme heat . In every case I've looked at there seem to be a chemical or electrical alternative , we just need the will and incentive to change , and the big incentive is the rapidly worsening climate crisis .
Just hit me, as you said, I ordered it online, I should have gone to a bookstore. Are bookstores all over the planet more environmentally friendly or not. Sometimes I think we like things for nostalgic reasons, without considering the environmental costs. I started working in a bookstore, it is still there. I like them too. Just got me thinking. That's all.
We ev people seem so nice.
Excellent chat @EverythingElectricShow / @fullychargedshow , very interesting, People need to stop thinking of EV's being BEV's as electric batteries may not be the future, there's Hydrogen Fuel Cells, Nuclear Fission or preferably one day ideally Fusion, massively more efficient Solar, induction roads, or whatever the next great thing around the corner turns out to be. Hey it might actually turn out to be a instantly chargeable chemical battery or Capacitor?
The future's bright, assuming the Sun can still shine through the atmosphere ;-)
EV is Electric Vehicle it's source of power (electricity) could be from anything. good or bad, ideally good.
Hopefully the #StopBS (whether that means "Burning Stuff" or "Male Bovine Fodder") Community can spread these thoughts.
My Money is on Craig Charles in the lift (as Danny JJ would go a step further and discreetly curl one out in a corner, Sorry TMI)
As far as predictions go many in the tech industry didn't think iPhones would take off.
I'm not so sure we should be moving away from cobalt (unless there are good chemical reasons to do so). I suspect that some of the places where cobalt is mined would struggle to make a living if this source of income was taken away. Better, I think, would be to impose checks and standards on these places to improve the lot of the miners and bring their health, safety and wellbeing up to decent levels. I have worked in a number of industries where these types of standards are demanded by buyers and the standards can be quality, hygiene, ethical and others. In short, battery making could improve the world by more than simply allowing us to become clean and sustainable.
The bird is the word, kindness is free. The Submarnier
Morning all
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You kinda had me up to 38:05. But then....
Robert says "when Tesla do their batteries in the Gigafactory..." (Which one?) Roger replies "They're doing it with BYD.... Blade batteries" and everyone agrees.....
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Suddenly "Credibility left the room"
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Tesla provided the facility and works with *Panasonic* at GF Nevada.
(Don't say "it's a Panasonic cell", you'll upset Jeff Dahn)
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MAJOR customer of CATL (in fact arguably a major reason CATL is where they are, both figuratively and geographically, they tend to build "near Tesla")
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Latterly... (Tesla) *Manufacturing their own* in Fremont and Texas ...
and it's going to be BIG!
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Plus there was a rumour, recently confirmed, that Tesla will use "some" BYD cells in "some" capacity (not specified) but also that BYD is going to manufacture 4680 format cells, similar to those Tesla had developed..... Coincidence? Really?
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Let's pay more attention?
The deep sea mining guy that Robert interviewed was called Gerrard Baron (I think). The company then was called Deep Green, but is now called The Metals Company (TMC). Roger's absolutely right that these polymetallic nodules need to be picked instead of sucked off the ocean floor. They must be relatively easy to 'detect', so picking them must be well within the technological capabilities of these mining companies
Dave Borlace did a video about this last week czcams.com/video/t_w1Mj0Hsr4/video.html (not the picking, but the destruction that will be caused by sucking the nodules)
Moment 34.29 . Seriously folks where do we go from there?. Oh I know. Roberts kitchen.
What happens to the business model of the existing structure of petrol stations as the demand for petrol and diesel reduces. Surely with a reduction in need for fossil fuels petrol stations will need to increase prices to remain financially viable. This will then lead to more people changing to ev further reducing the demand. At what level of ev adoption will the existing fossil fuel industry start to collapse. Less demand, causing higher prices leading to petrol stations closing production range anxiety for ICE vehicle drivers having to travel miles to find fuel at ever increasing prices
this meme makes no sense.... based on a supply.demand curve, price goes down, when demand goes down... a few stations closing is not going to create a logistical issue....
so have fun pretending that ICE vehicle anxiety, is just around the corner.... by the time it happens Ev's will be ubiquitous and nobody will care....
It is already the case even with my old Hyundai Ioniq28 that the cost/mile is basically 50% lower than any ICE car. So a no brainer: ICE cars are dead 😂
ev's have been cheaper operationally for over 100 years
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Why only a few stations? (Closing)