The Xbox Series S is STILL an Emulation Beast - New Updates!
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- 3 years ago I covered the Xbox Series S and how its an emulation beast. But in recent times the Xbox Emulation and Homebrew community (running under devmode on the Xbox) took a hit in 2023 when Microsoft blocked unsupported UWP apps from running in retail mode. It all seemed like the community had abandoned the platform and moved on. However, in reality the community never left, its stronger than ever with new updates and emulators that have opened up the floodgates. Even in 2024 - for $299 the Xbox Series S is a series contender alongside any Mini PC on the market as the best value for money you can buy that can support emulators all the way up to Xbox 360 with impressive performance. In today's episode we take a look at the all-new advancements in the scene and why I'm excited about the future of UWP Apps on Devmode.
► XboxDev Store (Xbox UWP downloads) - xboxdev.store/
► Buy Xbox Series S on Amazon (Affiliate Link) - amzn.to/3XPIbID
Timestamps:
00:00 - 02:20 - Introduction to Xbox Developer Mode
02:21 - 05:23 - Existing Xbox UWP emulator compatibility
05:24 - 06:28 - Mesa Library UWP Port/Doom 3 UWP Port
06:24 - 09:01 - Supermodel (Sega Model 3) UWP Emulator
09:02 - 10:00 - Jedi Knight Dark Forces II UWP Port
10:01 - 11:30 - XboxDev Store
11:31 - 12:47 - Conclusion/Outro
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Correction : I incorrectly stated that Vulkan is available for UWP. At this time the Mesa 3d UWP port only supports OpenGL
Hey modern vintage gamer! Could you in the future mark the game titles in the videos? That’s sometimes very helpful if others are interested in finding them. Still love your videos!
Hi. What is the outro music?
Vulkan lives!
I was huge into the dev mode/ retail mode emulation scene on my Series X for the past few years. However, I've since migrated over to mini PCs for my emulation. I consider dev mode emulation on the Xbox to be my introduction and I'll always remember it fondly
For me, I'm happy to see dev mode emulation because it provides a good intro for people who only have a console. If you have a good pc and a really good home network, Steam streaming is another option that can work really well.
Sure it's a slight latency penalty but it can be really good and then you also can run things as hard as you possibly can.
@@LanceThumpingI have a pc at a desk but I can't stand streaming for any games (to my living room tv) so I enjoy the series s! For the 150-200 it costs it's a great piece of tech.
It takes to long to swap between retail and dev mode , I just use my PC now for emulation lol , first world problems 😂
@@TyEats0031 That's completely fair. On my network, I can get latency down to like half a frame based on Steams overlay but it's not always perfect and I'm hardwired which not everyone has.
I just like pointing out an alternative that I haven't seen mentioned as much lately.
@@LanceThumping That's exactly where I was. Once I got a mini PC, I moved over to that
That UWP language Vulkan/Open GL to DX12 is exactly what we all dreamed about for the last few years. The Series S is a miracle machine for emulation. Nothing comes close at that price point, especially at that form factor.
If the UWP scene really does finally take off, Series S is going to become an absolute dream come true for game preservation.
@@Great-Documentaries Womp womp, cope little girl.
@@Great-DocumentariesSooooo basically you’re saying game piracy is doing just fine? Or is it piracy when Xbox is involved as a medium? What ARE you actually saying?
@@Great-Documentarieswhat about people ripping their retail games to run emulation, are they also pirates?, say what you want but the hacking scene and pirates but they have done more for game preservation than these big companies you so seem to cherish
Glad you enjoyed SuperModel and thanks for the coverage!
@@aerisarn8377 GZdoom Doom ray tracing mod possible? Thanks for your efforts
I had no idea segamodel3 was even going to be worked on for Xbox. That alone is will get me to get Dev mode on my xbox serX. How I wonder if sega model 1&2 are available.... Lol
having this dev mode and retail mode is the most logical thing i have ever heard. why isnt it standard to switch between the two?
It was really made for developers so the average gamers they just want to to play teh games not develop them. But now we all will want to use "developer" mode 😉
probalby it's because this dev mode that xbox one and series console were not jailbroken/hacked till this day ...
sega and nintendo (Nintendo especially) hate their fan devs
And let people use their devices however they like? Nah bro, that would be a good thing, and companys cant allow good thing to happen to consumers.
@@Pieteros21 it was never hacked or jail broken. lol. Dev Mode has always allowed emulation, theres just been more progress
I snagged a second hand Series S for $100 in great condition.
Been using it as a bedroom console for old classics and emu and it's been a value king.
lol , i sold my xbox one fat for 200 😂😂😂
That's less than the cost of Majora's Mask and the requisite expansion pak to play it, which is why I got a Series S. Almost done with that game and it's been fantastic. Also, have plenty of other old classics on there.
@@Rebe-Caufman Just sold mine here in Brazil for $240 dollars lool, then bought a brand new Series S for $239,99 XD
@@divinecomedian2can you tell me which guide you used to do that?
I'm a noobie in emulation so, as far I can understand, Xbox Series S can perfectly emulates PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, N64, Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis and others? Specially PS2, my favorite console of all time?
When I was in elementary school I found dark forces 2 slid in between the CD drive and case of the school PC. That was a magical day
I love my Series S. I travel a lot for work and and it works great on the road
I didn’t know model 3 is on the series s! 🤯
I didn't know what it was. 🤯
Tesla?
Same here. I'm gonna hop on again on Xbox emu then.
i had it for 3 months lol
It's crazy how far emulation has come
@@snkfanthank you holy shit the jacking off of Xbox being decades late is pathetic
@@snkfanThis is not about P.C 🤷
@@snkfan Cool story, bro
@@snkfan I mean... No duh. PC is an open platform with a huge audience, that has always been on the bleeding edge of hardware power, but has always lacked the ability to play console games. Obviously, due to the aforementioned, there is a longer history of emulation on PC.
Can you talk about the recent Xbox one kernel expolit that was found a few weeks ago. The one that needed game script
It got patched within hours, but yes that would be a great video, as until now XB1 has been pretty much unhackable until now, compared to the PS4 and PS5 which have already been jailbroken.
@@RocketRenton I got it on my unpatched Xbox One X and just waiting for the rest of the exploit.
@@RocketRenton stop talking shit, nothing has been patched, the app just got removed
can you make a video on installing SteamOS on the series S and turning it into a 'Steam Machine', that would be hella cool
Man I've gotta get this running asap! Great video!
Always good when MVG uploads a vid
unless he has filmed himself abusing a child.
Thank you for keeping us up to date! This helps the scene continue to be vibrant.
Last week I took the time to set it up and it is super convenient to have everything in one system. I have a compatible arcade controller so I was testing some NAOMI games and it plays like butter.
got dev mode on my xbox love it over 10,000 retro games i have on my hard drive
The Xbox series S i have is still offline from the previous retail banning fallout. It is a bit disappointing seeing these new updates but it still does solid emulation so i cannot complain enough and maybe the same fiasco might happen again so ill cherish it and keep it as is (offline) forever.
No way!, smart move, and I bet you can still use different, unofficial controllers before Microsoft/Xbox started banning them as well right?
@@Leiwu4398 Yes correct, I bought a Microsoft Xbox Wireless Adapter and one of the cronus zen cheating device adapter things recently for other wireless & non wireless controllers, it's great.
@@Leiwu4398 Yes correct, I recently bought a Microsoft Xbox Wireless Adapter and those cronus zen adapter device things that people use to mod call of duty or whatever for other wireless, non wireless branded devices, it's great.
@@Leiwu4398 Yes correct.
Wow, dedication!
I'm so glad interest continues in this scene- it felt like it died quickly when retail mode was no longer an option despite dev mode! I've attained a CRT since and I've always had og hardware around so I've mostly shifted to that, but there are definitely cases where I don't have that and am happy to use my series x and continue to see interest in this cool function it hides!
MVG is a die hard Xbox/Amiga fan
Holy moly, Thanks man great job, I been really wanting to get a emulator machine, I think I’m going to get a used series s. But I’m not that good at computer setup stuff. I have to try. The Sega stuff sold me . I love & grew up a model 2, 3 lover!! I’m very excited, plus GameCube stuff
Holy damn, Model 3 games run on the Series X??? That's worth an entry fee alone. Wonder how well it handles Naomi or Type X hardware.
It already has Flycast which in addition to Dreamcast also natively supports Naomi and Atomiswave games! Really cool actually, you can play most of Sega's arcade history up until the Xbox years.
Yhea the series x is pretty powerful man
@@mostverticalproductions4808 Naomi, DC and Atomiswave runs with superb oerformance. Naomi 2 has most of its games running poorly. On the Series X. It feels like Naomi 2 needs optimizations.
for anyone interested if you get Retroarch Mesa build, Naomi 2 games run fine with shaders and all. Just make sure you select GL video driver.
Ahhhh starting my day with new MVG thank you for the uploads!
I Love your videos, thanks for the updates as always!! Cheers from Mexico!
Thank you, MVG! Now all of Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games (in one or another form) are playable on Xbox! Dark Forces 2 has been missing on consoles for decades!
Would love to see some other PC classics, like Mafia 1 (should have been included in Mafia Remake), AvP 2000 (has a port on PS Vita) and Fallout 1/2.
My issue isn't the fee to activate Dev Mode, but whether Dev Mode will even be available in a many years from now when all Xbox Series Consoles' online functionality have become completely unavailable.
Hopefully the console would have been fully cracked open by then.
Yeah, Xbox can "wake up" tomorrow and shutdown dev mode entirely. It's something that can disappear at any point because it's fully controlled by Microsoft.
This is why jailbreaking is important, it gives the power back to the user, no one can take my homebrew and backups out of my PS4 Pro.
If Microsoft removes the Dev Mode, the community backlash will be huge.
Remember what happened with the PS3. Sony removed OtherOS, and then, the community quickly hacked the console.
@@system64_MCpretty sure MS doesn’t care about backlash. Windows literally spies on its users and the customers allow it. Linux is the way, Microsoft is a terrible company.
Unless Xbox wants to burn any good will they still have, they should hold off on something like that as long as possible. As evident with the many comments on this video, many people either bought a series s or are considering buying one solely for this. Considering how poor xbox sales have been, microsoft should just be happy with any traffic they can get.
@@system64_MC You don't remember? They tried this exact thing a year ago.
I already had a bunch of emu’s installed on my series x dev mode, thanks so much for sharing all these updates! I’ll definitely check out these ports, and emulators. I’m excited to see the citrus emulator I saw for a second when you scrolled down the dev store
Great content as always. Love from Thailand. 🇹🇭
I’ve been playing 3ds games on the modified retroarch. Aside from some stuttering, it’s incredible. If I’m not mistaken the main dev is currently making a dedicated citra uwp, so here’s to hoping we can have better smooth 3ds emulation.
I completely forgot about Dev Mode
I got it YEARS ago for One X prototyping.
Might just dust it off and start making a little UWP game for fun
This makes me SOOOO happy. Thank you for yet another helpful, meaningful, well produced video. I’ve been meaning to sit down and hammer out setting emulation on my Series S, since all my systems have been collecting dust as of late. I stopped when retail mode died last year, but then I tried dev mode a few months ago. I ended up not following through because of the lack of updates to many apps. I’m glad there has been a shake up that’s led to devs wanting to update their apps. The native apps like Dark Forces 2 and Doom 3 really excites me, the same way Mario 64 excited me on 3DS did a few years ago.
Love ya MVG! Keep up the good work! :)
Supermodel dev here, emulation is pretty close to perfect for pretty much all games.
Not an emulator, but it's emulator adjacent. Someone ported Ship of Harkinian to the Xbox, which is that really great Ocarina of Time PC port. It might only be hosted on the HarborMasters64 Discord right now, not sure, but I think it's worth spreading the word regardless.
It's on the store in the video
@@mysteriousmangos7245 Oh, that's cool! I didn't catch that.
@@brendanblair64 that's fine
Any hope can run steam os on it and play pc games or linux dustro ? On it we can use our xbox as a pc
@@fingerstyle9165 you can use moonlight to stream it. That's about all you'll be able to do
Great update! Thanks for this video! Keep it up 💪
Thank you for this, much appreciated bud
Wow, this had made a lot of improvements. As someone who has an Xbox One X with an internal SSD, the emulation scene on dev mode was 1 of 3 reasons I bought my Series S and love it more than the One X (Destiny 2 at 60fps, and the $150 price tag from Verizon being the other 2 reasons).
Last year before we moved into our bigger place, I had a minimalist gaming set up in the living room with only a few consoles hooked up. The Series S with emulation became my primary method of playing Playstation 2 games, as well as everything else.
For anyone wondering how the Series S is over the One X on Xbox One games, it depends on the games you want to play. Halo MCC is dependent if you want to play at 4K or 120hz. Destiny 2 is definitely better at 1080p 60fps on Series S vs 4K 30fps on the One X. PubG is better on Series S despite being the base Xbox One version cause of the 60fps boost, and its a MUCH smoother 60fps than One X. Mortal Kombat 11 is about the same. Apex Legends is almost the same but definitely a more stable 60fps on Series S. And OMG, Xbox 360 games that support FPS Boost like Gears of War 3, they seriously feel like playing brand new games!!!
One x is more enjoyable experience than series s with a 4k tv
@rontaylor6136 I completely disagree. I like my Series S more.
But it's also depending on one's preferences and the games they play, and the displays they have.
The games that I mainly play (Destiny 2, Apex Legends, Halo MCC, PubG, Mortal Kombat 11), Series S with the better and more stable framerate is better.
I use my series s as my main emulation device! At this point I play more emulated games on there than any xbox games 😅
6:29 -- that VF3 footage looks luscious!
Thank you MVG! Always informative, definitely considering it!
It will be very funny if the Xbox series consoles can run PS3 and the ps5 can't
With latest rumor mill that Sony themselves getting problem with the PS3 emulator on PS5, this could happen.
Keep dreaming. PS3 emulation affects the entire world, not just Sony. There's nothing magical about Xbox or people doing homebrew emulation on it
if that thung can, the ps5 will too, it is basically the same console, it would mean just emulation and legality limitations, where xbox would get in trouble for being this careless
@dragons_red why so butthurt!?? relax nothing bad would happen to your Precious Sony if Xbox would be able to emulate PS games better. lol
Then Xbox would at least have good games to play!
I was just watching the previous videos yesterday. I’ve been considering picking an S up solely for emulation.
It's well worth it, they go on sale in the states for as little as $180 sometimes. As it stands, the emulation is absolutely amazing. Some GameCube, PS2 and Wii games can hit 4k with no issues, but all of them can definitely render at 1440p without a hitch.
You totally should!
I wouldn't unless you know it will be worth the effort. I never got retroarch to work right in devmode after trying for hours. Much easier to use emulators on pc. I regret giving them that $20 for devmode.
@@m.w.2401 did you ever follow the video tutorials or ask around in any of the discords?
Very cool to see you playing and enjoying Supermodel :) Btw, as a game dev, would love to discuss improving the analog steering controls for joypads. I have some ideas in mind but thought you might have some specific ideas about how this is typically done. I think we need to provide an option that makes steering feel more like a proper console port (as Like a Dragon's emulator does).
Thank you for your work.
I really hope we see Wii U and Switch emulation on this.
it will happen eventually
It won't @@Jay-jm1qt
@@Jay-jm1qtWii U isn't very likely the cemu team haven't updated it in a while
@@lolcat Do you mean a specific fork or sth? Because the last update Cemu got was...yesterday.
@@lolcatIt's just the stable release that hasn't been updated in 2 and a half years. They're planning on a new stable build sometime soon though, so be on the lookout for that. For now, the experimental branch works and runs perfectly, no instability to find at all.
Dev Mode is life
As a neat freak, I always appreciated how clean MVG keeps his gear and workspace.
Thanks for the video
I prefer a PC a lot more rather than a console, I can play games and also work on the same machine
I noticed that RetroArch on the Series X could access and read all files from PS2 discs just as if it were a directory (I tried it with San Andreas). Would be awesome if in the future we could use PCSX2's "play from disc" capability on the Series X!
Yea let’s make use of the disc drive for no real good reason
It'll just wear and tear the system quicker. I understand the excitement of it as a novelty but I prefer to make minimal use of the disc drive. On Xbox 360 I always install the entire game, so all the disc drive does is boot it up. Longer lasting console.
This music in the end is just 🔥🔥🔥
Excellent video thx
I also think Dark Forces 2 Jedi Knight is the best of the them. The story line and level design are so awesome.
Outcast and Academy had great multiplayer but df2 has the best singleplayer definitely
Already a PS fanboy since PS1.
Got into Xbox thanks to your previous "Emulation beast" video 3 years ago.
Only regret now is not getting a series X to make the best use of Game Pass.
Overall glad i own the ss.
Now emulating great consoles i wasn't even aware of their existence like NeoGeo CD, PC Engine, 3DO.
Best decision i made. 😊👍
u can also netplay ps1 games now
Appreciate the update
Many thanks for the video! the Model 3 emulator is definitely a great reason to set up dev mode
Can't wait for Xbox Series consoles to get "PS3 Backwards Compatibility" with RPCS3 in some years
It’s a ways away. Thats the emulator that will probably suffer the most for using a wrapper. Plus that shader compilation is basically the ult stress test for a PC, it will thermal ceiling a Ryzen CPU quick.
Nintendo Switch emulation on Xbox Series consoles would be a dream come true, even better than PS3 emulation. Only problem is something like Yuzu or Ryujinx would have to be rebuilt entirely from the ground up in order to run on Xbox. It'd technically be possible if someone actually did it.
Edit: wait with this mesa opengl/vulkan implementation, then maybe it's now legitimately possible for someone to get Yuzu or Ryujinx running on Xbox consoles. Citra and 3DS emulation was previously unaccessible on Xbox due to the lack of OpenGL and Vulkan support, but now the emulator is running on Series X/S. Fingers crossed someone manages to find a way to bring Yuzu over using Mesa as well. Playing Zelda Breath of the Wild at 60 FPS on Xbox would be insane.
There is no Vulcan support, this is why there isn't even citra/3ds on Xbox
@@DrGreenThumbNZLas far as I know, mesa is essentially the OpenGL/vulkan implementation, so this library should support Vulkan as well, leaving the door open for both RPCS3, Ryujinx and specially Cemu 😳
@@lexadams4259wdym wrapper, i couldnt find any reference to the use of a wrapper anywhere
My older sister also thinks Dark Forces 2 was the series zenith. I fall into the Jadi Academy 2 group, myself.
Is she single?
@@4.7m_views my first thought lol
Great video !
Dark Forces 2 is my all-time favorite from the series. Crossing fingers to get a remastered version like the first one
5:30, We've finally reached the point where we need VKDX instead of DXVK in at least one place. Progress!
lets Summurais... nice word play... 2:21
I'm a real hardware guy but when I bought dev mode for my Series X it truly changed my mind for the better. I even bought an SSD with a USB adapter for my game roms.
I have an xbox one with dev mode since the beginning. All i can really do is play ps1 games with duckstation. Guess i need a digital series S or X for anything else. Thanks for the update MVG.
I wonder if someone will play with fire and port those Mario 64 or Zelda decompilations to Xbox.
look on the site, already done
@@danprice142 sorry, but what site you are referring to?
@@danprice142 I can't get the site to load, I think this video is sending too much traffic. I have my Series S set up in dev mode but haven't checked the site in a few months.
@@mrzagalia The Dev Store Site linked in the description
@@danprice142 oh, thanks 😅✌️
Emulation is in such a weird state. You need a $2000 pc to run PS3 games while Wii and everything below run on any potato.
And PS4 emulation is still like 5-10 years away
My PC is pretty out of date and it can run the games I've been playing on it
Not sure where you heard that about PS3 but it isn't true at all. Even an $80 12100F can run PS3 games. Probably won't be lucky enough to have AVX512 anymore so I'd recommend at least a 12400 now.
You can run pa3 games on a rog ally.
@@Woodzta MVG himself commented on his recent RPCS3 video that he’s using a 4080 and a 13900k for higher frame rate and resolution output than on native PS3. And he called it a “fairly high end” setup lol
Why wouldn't you just use a PS3.
It definitely takes some work to set everything up but once you do, its amazing! I really only use my series s for emulation LOL
Big fan as always, wish u can make a video on installing that stuff for the the computer challenged people like me. I would love 4 u & rgt85 to make a video on classic sega stuff together, maybe arcade model 2,3, Saturn stuff
Right now ita almost impossible to buy dev mode ... Many users are reporting that, me included since January of 2024, even the page has changed but always throws errors about the banks. At bank side with their help the fault is from Microsoft
This could be completely avoided if they let you buy dev mode with your Microsoft account balance, more convenient for people who don’t have a bank card.
good to know this is still an ongoing problem
I've literally been trying to pay for the Dev Mode fee for the past hour and I'm still getting the "insufficient funds" error. Pretty frustrating.
@@Sivarticus yea i’m going to try again in a few weeks
@@telerye I created a whole new MS account and it worked no problem. Might be worth a try.
So now that Mesa was ported to UWP, would this mean that an UWP RPCS3 port could be possible? That would be hilarious, lol
technically if demand is high enough it would be the funniest thing ever though that xbox supports ps3 and ps5 doesn't as a ps5 owner and series s owner
Mesa only supports OpenGL to a certain version, the version used in rpcs3 is too new. Also UWP has a hard limit of 5GB memory usage, rpcs3 would need more.
@@Vict0rFrankenstein But doesn't RPCS3 also use Vulkan and the UWP Mesa port has a Vulkan translation for DX12? Well, in any case the memory limit for UWP apps probably will turn this impossible anyway; sad :(
i'm glad you addressed some of the mundane questions that people keep asking every time one of these dev mode / emulation videos is uploaded by someone.... for all you commenters that didn't watch the entire video, or somehow STILL don't understand.... "NO, your xbox will not get banned.".... "it's $20 to get dev mode enabled, paid directly to MICROSOFT."..... "This has been available since the 1st xbox 1 so NO, Microsoft will not be shutting it down."
.....furthermore, there are plenty of "how to.... videos available so anything mvg did not cover here is covered elsewhere in OTHER CZcams videos if you simply SEARCH for what you're looking for EXACTLY..... mvg simply made an update with THIS video on the further advancements in the emulation scene within dev mode.
Glad to see people coming back to this, it's just so amazing. Great to see new updates as well. Getting PS3 emulation added would be awesome
Could you please talk about the steam deck ?
wonder whitch is better for emulation
@@greatusername1668 the steam deck is a portable device
@@greatusername1668the Xbox Series S/X will have more horsepower but the Steam Deck is a still a pretty good emulation device in it's own right, plus Steam Deck has more emulators to choose from.
Being honest here, I got a PS5 for current games and a Series S for the emulators.
All 3 PS5 games
Why not just buy a PC lol. PS exclusive are being ported there anyways.
I'm a noobie in emulation so, as far I can understand, Xbox Series S can perfectly emulates PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, N64, Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis and others? Specially PS2, my favorite console of all time?
Great videos, dude! Keep up the great job!
Bro I love you, thanks
These fake spam 🌽 bots do speak the truth, always entertaining and informative videos!
Irony
what if you were one of them and this is all a stunt to make us agree with you
@@randomgamingin144p I suspected this at first but his account is 11 years old versus theirs, both 5 days' new. And his profile pic doesn't make me gag.
@LN_P That’s not irony.
Oh great, UTTP bots again? Looks like their comments are mostly gone, so MVG seems to be on top of things
I wonder if the Xenia devs can somehow reverse engineer the Xbox One/Series emulation for 360 games and implement it into their emulator
Got my hands on two decrypted backwards compatibility games. I extracted them and ran the package on Xenia. I'm currently trying to replace and see if it runs, but I'm running into trouble when building the manifest. I think I should use Windows 8.1 SDK MakeAppx not 10/11 SDK.
I love how versatile the Series S is. I have a Series X, but it's great to see that such a cheap console can do so much
Looks amazing!
Until certain brands go full "How DARE you!" and strike the emulators down...
We're looking at you, Nintendo
For older emulators, it's not likely. I'm talking at least GameCube and earlier as far as Nintendo is concerned. Not sure of the technicalities but Wii and Wii U MIGHT be OK to get away with, as dumping the BIOS isn't fiddling with any encryption circumvention. There's legal case law in the US, thanks to Sony V. Bleem, that makes emulation legal. What's getting into gray areas with newer emulation (ie Switch) is the fact that encryption keys stored in the hardware are required to get the games to run. Getting these keys and using them in emulation has not been tested in court against the DMCA and may or may not survive such a test as this bumps against the "circumvention" parts of the DMCA.
This all being said, there's a TON of legit reasons to run emulators; it's not all piracy. Just one example of many: There's a huge active development community for the original NES, SNES, SMS, and Genesis hardware. Emulators allow a significant reduction in code prototype testing than having to build the rom, flash it to a prototyping cart, and then find hardware that can run the cart. Also when I'm looking at features to add to a game I'm developing, it's helpful to just insta-load a ROM from a dump of one of the games in my library that used a similar feature and use Mesen's debugger to see how something was done for that game and get insight into what I'm working on.
Honestly Microsoft opening up dev mode is something that should've been done ages ago. 'Here you want to tinker? give us a nominal fee that is largely used to reimburse anything that needs to be shipped and we will give you a way to toggle the console between dev and customer modes. Dev mode lets you do a lot but bars you from running commerical content. Otherwise. Go. Nuts.'
I love that the series S does that. Here pay a one time fee largely used for customer tracking and bam. Instantly get access to a lot of goodies. and you arne't giving up the official side either. A no piracy way to indulge in seeing just how far those legs streach.
Dev mode has been available on Xbox consoles since 2016, 8 years, it's nothing new, Microsoft was really ahead with this approach.
@@Cosmycal General commentary over comment on newness. So yes you are very smart have a cookie.
Would be cool for you to cover the mini pcs that you refer to in a future video
After watching this video I looked online and grabbed a used complete in box series s for $90 usd from Craigslist! I gotta get this loaded up with emulators for my kid! Thanks, MVG!
3 years in and Emulation is the most exciting thing on this generation 🤣
I'd rather emulate on my pc
While I do most things on my pc, it is a toaster that barely plays Xbox One/PS4 era games at lowest settings, so my Series X is my emulation machine and honestly it does a great job at it and for some people is a very good option.
For a 229€ machine, it's a great emulation machine that is capable of emulating up to the 6th generation of consoles on top of being able to officially play some OG Xbox/360 titles natively + gamepass + modern games.
It's only flaw is the lack of a disc drive so delisted 360 games are impossible to purchase or claim through a physical disc.
No one cares.
@@trueultimagod2465
My 7 year old Intel/Nvidia laptop runs PS5 games like Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart at 900p30 with medium settings and some early current gen Xbox Series games like FH5 in 1440p resolution at 30FPS max settings. What are your absolute potato PC's specs?
Hopefully this power and UWP support will be in the Xbox handheld
I never thought in the world that I would get an Xbox Series S but this might make me do it. The controller is God tier to me and while I could just get a mini PC, this is a little more TV friendly.
MVG, I know it's more obscure but is there any hope for Namco's SYSTEM 21/22/Polygonizer? Apologies for a bit off topic, I love your channel and emulation talks.
Imagine if DynaRes 2.0 was ported over to the Xbox Series consoles, and worked over Direct-video mode, this would be amazing for authentic retro emulation, and a great alternative to RGB-Pi and MiSTer, the best thing about the Xbox consoles is they have far smaller OS footprints, meaning less overheads, meaning lower latency, which means higher input fidelity, no in the same league as MiSTer, or the upcoming Replay OS with DynaRes 2.0, but if that could be ported or a fork of it, so that you could use an Xbox for emulation over direct-video with fast & accurate video/audio timings, it could be a brilliant, user-friendly way to play all the best classics, as there really isn't a simple way to get low latency retro game performance on an X86 or X64 OS, it can be done, but it's not a novice endeavour, you have to strip out all the processes you can without destabilizing the OS, setup and configure fast USB encoding and polling, make sure you are using a legacy BIOS and a GPU with an analogue BIOS and DAC (RAMDAC), use RAMDISK, configure RGBHV to RGBS 15Khz if using a CRT or configuring shaders and scanlines if using an OLED or Arcade IPS, it's a long-drawn-out process to get a decent experience that matches or comes close to the real thing as intended, and the Xbox could make that a much easier process, especially if someone figures out low latency controls and video/audio with it.
My hope is though, that we eventually get a hybrid FPGA/ASIC/RISC-C/X86 all-in-one console one day, that has sub 1ms latency, reference audio & video quality ad timings, and is plug & play, kind of what the Polly mega promised but never came close to delivering, MiSTer gives us this up to 5th generation games, RGB-Pi on a Pi 5 gives us a halfway decent latency performance thanks to DynaRes 1.0 for up to 6th gen, I think the best combination will be an FPGA for handling all the cores for everything up to 6th gen, and ARM64 for running everything else, or would X64 be better, Apple's Silicon ARM64 SoCs have proven to be absolute powerhouses for emulation, it's whichever architecture has the best parallel processing performance, I would also think this perfect hybrid console would have a GPU also for when brute force rasterization is needed for larger resolutions and increasing internal rendering fidelity, as well as a dedicated scaler IC or ASIC for running BFI, scanline, shaders and so on. I'd also like to finally see a next gen, sub 4ms, zero jitter wireless controller tech developed, perhaps using beam forming or laser sight frequency communication, 100 thousand times faster than RF or WIFI, and the perfect candidate for next generation wireless gamepads that will finally give us even better performance than wired controllers.
8:56 you're right about that. Jedi Outcast (Q3 engine) all day!
can you go into a little more depth here ? i use my xbox almost exclusively for gamepass so id love to know how easy and practical it is to swap between states ? would i lose data stored internally , would i need to store roms externally and so on and so forth .
great video as always dude
This is incredible, I think it's time for DEV mode ROUND 2.. the OPENGL Series S Doom 3 4k emulation smooth.. wow... possibilities. Power.
I went through the whole process setting up Dev mode for GameCube and PS2 and had a fantastic time, pretty quickly though I found myself replacing the experience with a mini PC and a batocera drive I set up. I'm glad to see this improved though. What I would be curious is how easy it is to update emulators you already have or if you should do a full delete and replace the app
I think I remember playing that first game in the intro at the arcade at this restaurant/casino
Thanks MVG
If Microsoft made some official wrapper API that allows older DX to DX12 UWP and support mesa I would love for them to see them support PC store fronts and just allow any PC game to run like it’s a steam deck, even if they force gamepass ultimate to be required it would be so fucking awesome to run some steam EA indie games on this thing
the dolphin logo has recently been updated to a more modern look
Whenever rpcs3 updates their compatibility list it's worth doing another video about became performance on low tier hardware has improved a lot
I also was big into it when it came to retail mode (I did test in Dev mode as well), I loved it in retail mode. I would be in a chat with friends they would be playing something else (that really didn't feel like playing) and I would bring up a GameCube game, or a SNES game. When it died, I kind of lost interest.
I just built up a 70's cab with 9 consoles including a Steam Deck, I moved all emulation to the deck (and a portable, or 2). On the Deck, with EmuDeck, it's just a great interface (ES-DE) that plays up to light 360 and PS3. Most of the 360 games that have been delisted that I want to play can play on the deck, or my gaming PC.
360 games I will play on my 360 or Series X....
It really is great to see devs working on this again