Huge Argument: Who was better, Ronnie or Dorian?
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- čas přidán 2. 12. 2023
- 1:30 - CHRIS IN MADRID
3:57 - MILOS GOING TO DO STEM CELL
6:55 - RUBIEL IS THE NEXT SHOCK TO BODYBUILDING
13:59 - RUBIEL POSING LOOKED LIKE A SEASONED PRO
17:09 - WHAT IS CHRIS RESPONSIBLE FOR WITH RUBIEL'S PROGRESS AND TRAINING
18:22 - WHAT DOES DEXTER THINK OF RUBIEL
19:37 - RUBIELS LEGS
24:58 - HAVE DENNIS AND DEXTER EVER TALKED UP A GUY BEFORE LIKE RUBIEL
26:17 - COULD RUBIEL BEAT SAMSON
27:08 - WHO IS THE BEST BODYBUILDER
34:31 - NICK WALKER COMPARED TO RUBIEL
37:17 - SAMSON HAS A BETTER SHAPE
41:27 - WHO HAD THE BETTER BACK, RONNIE OR DORIAN?
49:20 - WAS RONNIE'S BODY TAMPERED WITH
51:28 - DID CHRIS HAVE THE LEAST TAMPERED WITH BODY\?
56:16 - MILOS SAYS HE HAD THE WORST INJECTION JOB IN ARMS
57:55 - WHO DO THEY THINK IS ENTERING THE ARNOLD CLASSIC
1:00:40 - IS SAMSON DOING TOO MUCH?
1:04:52 - DEXTERS ABSOLUTE BEST SHOW
1:07:24- HOW OLD IS CHRIS
1:10:30 - CHRIS SELFIE
1:11:35 - DID DEXTER ACTUALLY DIET
1:14:50 - WHERE CAN RUBIEL PLACE AT THE OLYMPIA
1:27:33 - OLD SCHOOL TRAINING CAMP
1:32:39 - RUBIEL GUEST POSING - Sport
I see Milos I click on the like button ...amazing podcast as usual
I re-discovered Milos this year and his voice plays non stop in my house with all the podcasts and interviews I play. So much so my girlfriend walked in one day heard him talking on a podcast and said "aren't you sick of this guy yet". Nope not at all.
@@Vault10131😂 Milo’s is now apart of your family
He always makes me LOL. "Which wrong person had him beating Samson? Which IDIOT?"
What a podcast, people you don’t want to miss this one 💪
I love it it is so great
Great episode. Hilarious everyone teaming up on Milos about Neckzilla then everyone teaming up on Chris about Dorian over Ronnie😂😂
Chris knows better than Dex and the others because he competed against Ronnie and Dorian. Even Kevin Levrone was asked by Dave Palumbo if Dorian with no injuries would be able to win in 98 and he said “i think so , because i saw how both look like” i love Ronnie but the quality of Dorian and the proportions were in a level that will never be reached again
@@machine380 also, kevin thinks that his closest 2nd place was against ronnie, and he did not think that he was going to win against dorian
@@machine380and Steve the head judge he knows better than Chris or Kevin and bro Milos he ask Steve the head judge Ron 98 or Dorian or jay or lee and he said probably Ron 98 and I love Dorian to death Steve he chose ron
@@HardDispositionbro Steve he know more than both of them and bro Milos he ask Steve the head judge Ron 98 or Dorian or jay or lee and he said probably Ron 98 and I love Dorian to death Steve he chose ron
@@machine380what proportions Dorian had? Overdeveloped back and insane conditioning but average legs? lol. Ronnie was overall more complete with even better structure.
Ronnie wins -
1 Front Double
2 Rear double
3 Side Chest
Dorian wins -
4. Side Tricep
5. Front Lat
6. Rear Lat
7. Ab & Thigh
You forgot about the Most Muscular which Ronnie easily takes otherwise I agree with you.
@@Gnybr yes but doesnt dorian win the relaxed round? or posing rd?
when you factor those in also Yates wins overall
Most muscular wasn’t a mandatory in the 90’s @Gnybr
@@TheLusianPopa I'm not sure how to judge those rounds, so you may be right.
@@kieran_xcvi6636No it wasn't but it is today.
Size Ronnie , conditioning Dorian
Yep, well said
I love how Dennis rolls out a question and lets the crew fight. This was one of the funniest podcasts!!
I’m a huge Yates guy, and Ronnie it’s hard to say anybody comes close. The fact that Dorian is even in this conversation makes me happy. I say Yates was better because of his condition but Ronnie was so big it’s hard to compare him to anyone
Yates was great conditioning. Ronnie had a gut. Nobody should have more than 5. This means judges were obsessed with a guy no matter what, even if he was lacking
Ez DORIAN Y
@@Ksmoove0824noone should have more then 5 easily agree
Ronnie was so big only in his his last 3 wins, priior to 2003 he was lighter than Yates...Ronnies so called size advantage over Yates has been greatly overstated over the years
@@TheLusianPopait really is. Nasser was bigger than Ronnie in 98’ I don’t think people understand that he wasn’t much bigger and conditioned than Flex in 98’-99’ the way Yates dwarfed flex with size and condition in 93’.
I'm with Chris on this one. People are fed the whole "Ronnie is the goat" sht and they jump on the hype train because that's the general opinion. usually the same people don't know much about Dorian at all
I never saw Ronnie in person in his prime but I saw Dorian in person up close and guest pose at the 1995 NPC Nationals in New Orleans…Dorian is and was the freakiest looking bodybuilder I’ve ever seen in person. He looked like those MuscleHedz cartoons they used to have in Flex magazine
Saw Milos on TV at UFC fight on Saturday night sitting right up front at the cage. Lol.
Rubio was measured on Larry Wheels channel and his legs were 31 inches, calves were 21, waist was 35, biceps was 20.5 and neck was 20 inches.
21 inch calves are insane 😂😂
No way his legs are 41, you must mean 41
Surey his arms are bigger than 20.5. It doesn't seem so big for his size, maybe other pro's are lying about their measurements.
Did they measure him? I didn't even see it.
Dorian beat the cream of the crop including Ronnie flex Kevin Shawn nasser and promptly retired undefeated. He's no.1
This pod had me crack’n like I’ve never ya’ll!!! You got to make this a monthly with all four at least!!! I’m telling ya’ll I listen 👂 to everyone’s Bodybuilding Podcast and this combo with you 4 was and is the best I have ever heard!!! Seriously. Got me laughing 😂 hysterically
DEX is making it funny as shit 🎉
@@faizasonyalindarats8484on the real Dexter needs to be on a pod! Dude is so classic
Ronnie had a great V-taper when he was young. I dont believe Neckzilla will be able to create that! His side Tri is redonkulous!
Can you explain what ''TAMPERED WITH means ?
Been waiting for this podcast, got posted just in time.
Dexter is funny as hell, but for some reason every time he is on the show it's getting uncomfortably awkward. A friendly discussion is one thing, but he brings the hostile vibe...
Always
Because he's the only person in the IFBB who isn't an ass kisser and bullshitter.
dexter is 5 ft 6 lol, that comes with a lot of pent up insecurity under the skin. and all due respect to him but hes not a memorable Mr O either. I barely remember he was. his candy ass got whooped over and over again untill the best faded away and retired.@@TobiPhree
@@user-kg1od9es5d He's not 5 6. He goes to my gym, and he's 5 8 for sure.
@@user-kg1od9es5d Even if he was 5 6, why he be insecure about that? I mean he's a very strong capable guy. Just because you're weak and insecure and would be insecure at 5 6 doesn't mean someone as impressive as him would be. Realize that you have no ability, and aren't capable of anything at all, which is why you project stupidity and feel that way. I mean I would rather not be short like that either, but I wouldn't be crying about it like you either. I mean you take what life gives you and accept it bro. Your comment was kind of rude, and really weak and stupid, do better next time.
Chris Cormier the real deal love you man
Great episode 🤣
theses four guys just great
This was a good one 😂
* LOVE U GUYS * I'M IN TEARS... Feels like we're ALL brouthas hangin
Phenomenal episode guys. I am 40 minutes in and this is one of the best. I love these discussions
Great podcast!!!👍💪🏽🙏
Oh boy. The legendary question....Ronnie obviously. 98 Ronnie over 93 Dorian
98 ron ? 247 lb with gyno and no calves and ugly abs
93 dorian was flawless-257 lb of balanced granite
but i dont expect a black guy to agree
Lol Ronnie at his best (1999) is better than everyone else ever. Not even that close really. I think Phil's best (2013) would be the closest but the size difference would prove to be decisive. Once again, wouldn't be close really.
I call him the Columbian Colossal is the real deal. No pun intended to the original Real Deal Chris Cormier. Once Rubiel gets more delts, back and overall upper body with about 10% conditioning, he is Mr Olympia. I give him 2-3 years.
People talked all that bs about Phil Heath being too narrow. But he has the cartoonish muscle belies and conditioning. Rubiel is similar as for width. But he has the mass to make it up.
I was very impressed with his presentation/posing. He did better than most pros.
That side tricep of his is wicked!!
The last side tricep I saw that was that impressive was the late Paul DeMayo and it was mainly his cray tricep that stood out. Rubiel’s side tricep is overall more complete. He just needs to hit that outside shoulder better.
I wish Rubiel the best of luck!
I hope he is able to get that visa and come and live with Chris Cormier. He can win the Arnold in 2025 and the O by 2027.
Dexter the funniest dude in bodybuilding 😂😂😂
This show was awesome. Thanks for the laughs 😂😂😂😂
Nothing to do with loving Dorian more, Dorian was chiseled granite and great symmetry. I agree with the real deal, Ronnie was amazing but did look smooth compared to what we think is best. Personally, I think Ronnie is the nicest guy that ever competed. We're all allowed to have our own opinions. And Gunter is another example of how Ronnie s torso was shorter and didn't have that same width when compared to him and Dorian. When Dorian tore his bicep he had to make up for it by continuing to grow but had to keep his goid arm at a minimum for symmetry.
I love the realness of this podcast! Dexter is very refreshing in this group
Letssss go we have another podcast 👑👑👑
Absolutely brilliant debate. I like that all of these different opinions are allowed to be equally expressed. Also funny at times.
No argument… Ronnie all day long. The greatest ever.
if Rubiel has competed 8 times, he technically has more stage experience than Andrew Jacked, Hunter Labrada. Hes "new" to the IFBB. but lets stop assuming he just started competing. He was an established pro in IFBB Elite
This was probably the best and funniest episode ever. Dexter should be a regular. Ganging up on Milos over Mosquera and Samson was hilarious. And Dexter and Chris Ronnie Vs Dorian debate was legendary!! 😂 😂 😂
Can’t miss a podcast from these legends
Best episode to date. RX Muscle could learn a thing or two from DJ's podcasts.
@30:27 Dennis "This nigga neck is so big "😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I saw Ronnie an Dorian in their Prime. Ronnie had the gnarliest overall muscle size and condition, but he was a lousy poser and his physique didn't flow tremendously well especially in the abdominal and calf area. Lee Haney is still the king! I saw the 91 Olympia and Haney smoked Dorian in the rear lat spread!
He would not "smoke" him in 93. He knew, that's why he retired at 32.
Dorian beat him in the muscularity round, in his first ever olympia.
@@michaelclifford6468 I'm aware of that, but the show still wasn't close in my opinion Dorian was slightly harder though condition wise. And I wish I could post the rear lat spread photo that I took. Lee was much wider in that pose and thicker in the lats!
What a wild podcast lol
I think that Samson will have to change coach if he wants to win the Olympia. Milo's insulin protocol will only go so far. So can't get ultra cut while on insulin
This is the best episode by far
Dexter sorted out Busta Rymes & got him back into shape. Watch Diary of a CEO. Kindest regards, Richard U.K
Dorian has the best back all time with that lat spread and density/dryness but Ronnie overall smokes him. Love the passion from Dex Chris Milos Dennis
Most say that if you saw Dorian in person it was a completely different ball game, maybe his physique didn't translate as well as Ronnie in pictures
It’s close but I’d personally edge it very slightly towards Coleman. Could go either way though as they have different strengths and weaknesses.
Bro there a interview with Steve and Milos ask him who has the best body Ron 98 or Dorian 93 or jay he said probably ron 98 and I love Dorian to death
@@AsmaAmen he actually said IT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE.Also used the word PROBABLY. Which suggests he isnt really sure.
@@TheLusianPopa yes bro I know this bro because of that I said the only man can beat Ron is Dorian and bro I love both of them they are the best ever
Great one. Dorian all day Chris ! Right on. Good luck with your pupil ! Guy looks great. Super addition for the sport. Looks friendly as well. Hope he can come to FIBO soon 👍
Dexter Jackson officially the best funniest guest EVER!!
If this debate was before Prague pro i be on show just to see this Rubio ... Dexter talk about Rubio like he see MONSTER ... Cant wait to have chance to see him on stage
I love these podcast
Really enjoyed the boys tonight.. Great podcast. Some funny stories... Dexter laughing at Chris back. 😂. Not realising poor Chris back is fused...
Chris made a comment about Ronnie's legs at his novice stage when he first turned pro.
Ronnie always had good balanced proportions but was just light.
Ronnie was 215lbs at 5ft 11 in 1992.
Ar that time the best 5ft 11 bodybuilders were competing at around 245lbs to 250lbs.
Even today in Classic Physique the weight limit for a 5ft 11 bodybuilder is approximately 230lbs.
I don't think Ronnie's legs were proportionately too small. He was just too light.
When Ronnie was between 220 and 240 he was definitely natural. His conditioning was just way different, and once he started with the roids he grew like crazy. Only going from natural to roid could he possibly grow that much, and even considering that it was tons of growth. Kai Greene is another one that was HUGE natural, many say the biggest natural they have seen. I mean he has that pic on his instagram when he was 18 in high school. It was off season for bodybuilding and he was already 250 or so, and he wasn't fat by any means. Even he was natural, and wasn't anywhere near lean obviously, but considering he was 250 natural with reasonably low body fat, it's pretty insane. This was very early on for him as well.
@billj4525 My comment was whether Ronnie's legs were in proportion when he first turned pro, not whether he was or not he was not using PED's
Oh man i’m enjoying this one. 😂😂😂
Discuss next podcast: Ronnie vs Phil
Rubiel will beat Nick Walker… soon if hype doesn’t come into play.
Best episode you guys arguing. Dexter's awesome
Love this 4 together 😂😂😂😂😂
Everyone always talked about Jay’s and Branch’s 2009 conditioning that they ignored how great Dex looked. He maybe the best looking and improved Mr O that lost the title. This is not a shot at Dex either. It’s the fact. That 2009 Dex was amazing! Sharper and fuller than 08. It was apples vs oranges between the top 2 and Dex.
2009 was an amazing package!!
Ronnie is the GOAT🐐
The Blade keeping it 100% on Ronnie, I freaking love the SHADOW but Coleman was just too good 👑
too overrated i say
Ronnie never faced someone that could match/beat him on back poses or outconditio him -jay , wheeler, levrone couldnt ...prime dorian would do just that
@@TheLusianPopabro I love both of them bro Milos he ask Steve the head judge Ron 98 or Dorian or jay or lee and he said probably Ron 98 and I love Dorian to death Steve he chose ron and he said it will be very close
But Tom Plaz never could make his upper body up to pair with his insane legs!
Judging on body parts was different back then
Dexter always keep it real he’s the man
The Blade tells it like it is and I love that about him.
This is absolutely historical, u gotta just love Dex keeping it real as hell lol 50:05
Always keeping it real lol
I'd give it to Yates not just because I'm from England but look at who Yates stopped winning a title. At least 4/5 Hall of famers. Ray wheeler! Labrada! leverone ! Cormeir...Coleman? Cutler that's it..And they just started giving him the title after 5 anyway...
Dexter and Chris/Dorian must have a history to be going at it like that.
I agree with Chris when he talks about Ronnie's gut later in his career not being a fan. I remember the 1st time i saw Ronnie Coleman not as knowledgeable as i am now when he was winning Olympias i didn't even think he was a bodybuilder i thought he was just a strongman or powerlifter
Godzilla is a freak. Godzilla vs the monsters. Godzilla trains like an old-school bodybuilder, who's doing 30 rep squats with 400 lbs, these days WTF bro. Samson is also still growing as well, remember Samson gained a lot of size really fast, all of that insulin is taking away from the WOW factor.
These guys are hilarious 🤣🔥Legends tho🙏
the debate is between phil heath and dorian yates for second, Ronnie is the goat
30:27 😂😂😂😂
Dexter stepped over the line. Poor form calling Chris a liar. He can dish it out but doesn't like it when it's done to him.
Ronnie was bigger overall, Dorian had better conditioning along with mass.
Great observation. Dorian was the better “bodybuilder” but Coleman clearly was more developed
Dexter used to have 1 of the best looking overall physiques ever IMO
Good point about V taper. Dorian standing relax didn't have a good V taper. But when he hit shots. And thats how he won titles. Winning shots
Dexter is the real deal when it comes to pure comedy
Why don't they ask Arnold or some of those WWE top wrestlers who follow bodybuilding to write a reference for a Visa for Neckzilla?
There are quite a few celebrities who follow bodybuilding. Doesn't Shaq O'Neil follow the sport?
Dj is right. Neckzilla is what he's because of his NECK. Traps are also crazy huge that his shoulders appear narrow. But they are not. If he creates that illusion of Wider shoulders, he's UNBEATABLE.
Coleman of course there’s no discussion
coleman dont beat dorian son
dorian has, when similarly conditoined, 10 lb more muscle and better balance.93 yates trampled a sliced wheeler, 98 ron barely beat a soft syntholed wheeler...do the math
@@TheLusianPopathey don’t understand they’re all about the size of Ronnie. They don’t understand the sport
Chris is the best thing to happen to Rubiel; I hope they work together for many years and win that Olympia because he does have what it takes
I like the jab that Dex took at Chris. lol! Anyone who is or was a fan of Chris knows he was a party animal. If Chris was really focused or as focused as he should be, Cormier could have been Mr O.
Samson is still a work in progress.
He has all of the natural gifts to be the best. All he needs is that final polish to win!
This is fun to watch. He is still packing on that back and growing.
Samson is the shape of things to come!
this reminds me of the barber shop scene in coming to america with eddie murphy.
Ronnie did eventually get Pd4pd a bit bigger than Dorian. That said, he never showed up bigger than Dorian still showing quite that insane level of grainy, granite quality anymore.
Dorian at his best in my opinion is The best, most complete Mr.O there's been.
Really through you'd have to see Ronnie vs. Dorian when they were both around 260lbs on stage next to each other from judge's vantage to say absolutely and for sure who really best, at each's truly best package. Otherwise it still breaks down to opinion from video/stills.
😂😂😂 Dexter killed it this episode! Had me dying the whole time
tampered with...hahaha...brilliant podcast
Please have Dexter on more often, dude is too real 😂. Rubiel is a dangerous ass bodybuilding!!!
Love Ronny but Dorian had the better lat spread. Back alone, Dorian wins.
59:08 came true unfortunately...
53:40 You Got MuraLLs 😂
Perfect episode to start the week off
Plz have Kevin stop BS’n and just blackmail, pull the homie card whatever you gotta do to get him to sit down once a month for this show
I’m gonna pray, make sacrifices to Oden whatever I gotta do
I feel like a adopted kid hoping for presents this Christmas, maybe this year smh
Chris should be banned from talking about Ronnie. Dorian's skin was amazing but his wings looked lumpy and messed up.
Dexter needs to be a regular
THE WORLD IS YOURS AMEN❤💯🤳
Dexter had enough of Chris's bs 😂😂
Oh boy, that's a good start for December.
";-)
Love Dexter, man's a legend
You got to get Joe McNeil on the show nobody's ever heard anything from him🤔
Ronnie destroys Dorian
Come on Chris you high as hell!!!!!
Dorian's back is the best ever. Overall ronnie is the best ever... ❤