Your shaping skills are getting seriously good!!!! What about a video of your setup and maybe a new one of you shaping? talk about your new challenges, mistakes you made along the way, failures and also tips and stuff you learned? Cheers mate
Cheers buddy. Appreciate the positive feedback :-) Yeah might do one on tools etc soon. Had an injury and been busy so not had much time lately. Cheers.
I've asked a particular Q to many people and tried researching but all my finding are very vague and all different. Q: what exactly goes wrong when you ride a fish type board in bigger, steeper, more hollow and or more powerful surf ? Will it not trim well..will it get hung up on the top..or slide out at the bottom turn..or..? I have a 5'10 seaside at 39liters..I'm only 5'7 and 160lbs. I like the overkill volume to get into waves early and the paddle..I can pump down the line pretty well and almost hit mini airs now. Growing g leaps and bounds with this board. The waves are usually waist high to head high..point breaks and beach breaks. Bigger steeper drops are hard to hold and/or hollow surf but I'm not sure if it's because I'm not that good of a surfer or..maybe it's an over kill of volume for my weight..mayne I still have a bad habit of not putting enough weight on my back foot and engaging the fins..or..is it cuz it's a fish? Help:/
Joseph Hatami hey buddy. So a few things on that. Fish can ride bigger more hollow waves and it does depend on the volume and some other characteristics of the board as well but in general for us normal guys a lot of fish would often have a very flat rocker very wide tail often twin fins and a shorter rail line than we are used to so yeah the characteristics are not optimal and forgiving for average surfers. We would probably need a bit more rocker less width in the tail a more refined tail etc etc etc to assist us in hollow waves. Sure if your a pro you can ride them if more solid waves but those guys don't ride high volume so the dims aren't huge to start with and lots it the guys that are famous for pushing the limits are both very talented and also often have a modified design for larger more hollow waves so a little smoke and mirrors sometimes too. Personally since I'm also well up on volume too I find a fish will slide out, be difficult to get a rail in and get any bit on the wave. They just feel flat and don't want to turn over in a solid waves I have had a couple of fish I would probably be ok in and overhead wave but we don't get huge or hollow waves locally and if we do I'm not usually brave enough 🤣🤣 but the seaside is one of the better ones for still being ok with the wave height slightly larger depending on the wave. It's not going to like hollow for the delay reasons as discussed. If your riding big volume it's too wide too thick and too flat to really get that rail to bite. Do you ride the seaside with the split keels ? They give pretty decent hold too.
Joseph Hatami grab a demo or tap a buddy up for a go on something more like a quiver killer it something similar. You will understand the difference stright away if you ride something more like that
Thanx for the info..yeah makes sense. I looked up the quiver killer mayne as a step up board..to get the volume in 39 liters like my 5'10" seaside I'm used to I would have to use a 6'4" quiver killer. Do u have any more board suggestions that would trim well on bigger punchier waves(6'-8') and be able to make a solid bottom turn etc? I read that step up boards should be your same board just very little more narrow, a few inches longer, and a couple liters more so you feel comfortable on it on the bigger days. But since my every day driver is a seaside idk if that will cut it because with that concept I'd just be riding a bigger fish type board. Haha.. what do u think?
Joseph Hatami yeah you can always get custom board Dims if necessary to get the model you want but if your talking propper 6-8 ft which I'm sure you are that's well overhead waves so if you were standing on your board at the bottom of the wave you would need to at least be standing on your own shoulders to see over the back of an 8 foot wave. Just checking as some countries talk about the wave face hight as opposed to the swell hight and to be honest it's all pretty confusing at the best of times when people try to talk the same language on wave height if you are taking 6-8ft and a solid waves I would say yeah for sure your board might look something like 6'4" - as much as 6'10" for us average guys and around 20-21 wide and probably about 40 litres. I believe the list rock up and the pyzel ghost would probably be boards on the radar for that kind of heat personally it's unlikely I would be out at all myself. Yeah definitely you would drop a good bit of width and add a good bit of length on your seaside the couple of inches length and extra volume is usually based around your "standard" shortboard which quite frankly hardly anyone that's average even rides these days so for me propper step would be going from something like an uber XL or quiver / psycho killer up to a ghost or rock up at 6'6" ish but the quiver killer even in 6'2" could handle anything I'm likely to be brave enough to go out in. Hope that helps mate. It's all about what works for you really and what you enjoy. A lot of "general rules" can be a little outdated or relevant to much better surfers sometimes.
Oh man.. I forgot that waves size can be interpreted different in areas. Yeah I only ment 6'..8' maybe 10' face waves..the whole face only being 10 feet. Those arnt that big but when it's a beach break and the lip throws over fast and punchy ..where u get hung up on the lip if you dont take off from under the lip type waves. My usual 5'10 puddle jumper rp 36 lit..or my weirdo ripper was getting stuck at the top of those waves...and instead of dropping down the face I'd get thrown off the lip. I tried a more narrow board once of my buddy that had alot of rocker and even a narrow swallow tail but the same liter vol and I made a few of the drops surprisingly and a pinchy bigger beach break day I described. I just dont know if it was because I would freeze up in fear before with the pulled jumper or was I really getting hung up. Maybe my friends board was the answer or I was braver the second go around would just force the drop..idk. winters comming around and I'm worried I'm gonna get hung up on the lip of a 10' pitching punchy storm wave agin like last year. What do you think Bout the HS hypto krypto..would that be a step up ..I'd need it at 6'4 lenght for the volume or thr HS shred sled?
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Your shaping skills are getting seriously good!!!! What about a video of your setup and maybe a new one of you shaping? talk about your new challenges, mistakes you made along the way, failures and also tips and stuff you learned? Cheers mate
Cheers buddy. Appreciate the positive feedback :-) Yeah might do one on tools etc soon. Had an injury and been busy so not had much time lately. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk Oh s*** I hope you're doing alright. Get well and hopefully you'll be back to normal soon.
I've asked a particular Q to many people and tried researching but all my finding are very vague and all different. Q: what exactly goes wrong when you ride a fish type board in bigger, steeper, more hollow and or more powerful surf ? Will it not trim well..will it get hung up on the top..or slide out at the bottom turn..or..?
I have a 5'10 seaside at 39liters..I'm only 5'7 and 160lbs. I like the overkill volume to get into waves early and the paddle..I can pump down the line pretty well and almost hit mini airs now. Growing g leaps and bounds with this board. The waves are usually waist high to head high..point breaks and beach breaks. Bigger steeper drops are hard to hold and/or hollow surf but I'm not sure if it's because I'm not that good of a surfer or..maybe it's an over kill of volume for my weight..mayne I still have a bad habit of not putting enough weight on my back foot and engaging the fins..or..is it cuz it's a fish? Help:/
Joseph Hatami hey buddy. So a few things on that. Fish can ride bigger more hollow waves and it does depend on the volume and some other characteristics of the board as well but in general for us normal guys a lot of fish would often have a very flat rocker very wide tail often twin fins and a shorter rail line than we are used to so yeah the characteristics are not optimal and forgiving for average surfers. We would probably need a bit more rocker less width in the tail a more refined tail etc etc etc to assist us in hollow waves. Sure if your a pro you can ride them if more solid waves but those guys don't ride high volume so the dims aren't huge to start with and lots it the guys that are famous for pushing the limits are both very talented and also often have a modified design for larger more hollow waves so a little smoke and mirrors sometimes too. Personally since I'm also well up on volume too I find a fish will slide out, be difficult to get a rail in and get any bit on the wave. They just feel flat and don't want to turn over in a solid waves I have had a couple of fish I would probably be ok in and overhead wave but we don't get huge or hollow waves locally and if we do I'm not usually brave enough 🤣🤣 but the seaside is one of the better ones for still being ok with the wave height slightly larger depending on the wave. It's not going to like hollow for the delay reasons as discussed. If your riding big volume it's too wide too thick and too flat to really get that rail to bite. Do you ride the seaside with the split keels ? They give pretty decent hold too.
Joseph Hatami grab a demo or tap a buddy up for a go on something more like a quiver killer it something similar. You will understand the difference stright away if you ride something more like that
Thanx for the info..yeah makes sense. I looked up the quiver killer mayne as a step up board..to get the volume in 39 liters like my 5'10" seaside I'm used to I would have to use a 6'4" quiver killer.
Do u have any more board suggestions that would trim well on bigger punchier waves(6'-8') and be able to make a solid bottom turn etc? I read that step up boards should be your same board just very little more narrow, a few inches longer, and a couple liters more so you feel comfortable on it on the bigger days. But since my every day driver is a seaside idk if that will cut it because with that concept I'd just be riding a bigger fish type board. Haha.. what do u think?
Joseph Hatami yeah you can always get custom board Dims if necessary to get the model you want but if your talking propper 6-8 ft which I'm sure you are that's well overhead waves so if you were standing on your board at the bottom of the wave you would need to at least be standing on your own shoulders to see over the back of an 8 foot wave. Just checking as some countries talk about the wave face hight as opposed to the swell hight and to be honest it's all pretty confusing at the best of times when people try to talk the same language on wave height if you are taking 6-8ft and a solid waves I would say yeah for sure your board might look something like 6'4" - as much as 6'10" for us average guys and around 20-21 wide and probably about 40 litres. I believe the list rock up and the pyzel ghost would probably be boards on the radar for that kind of heat personally it's unlikely I would be out at all myself. Yeah definitely you would drop a good bit of width and add a good bit of length on your seaside the couple of inches length and extra volume is usually based around your "standard" shortboard which quite frankly hardly anyone that's average even rides these days so for me propper step would be going from something like an uber XL or quiver / psycho killer up to a ghost or rock up at 6'6" ish but the quiver killer even in 6'2" could handle anything I'm likely to be brave enough to go out in. Hope that helps mate. It's all about what works for you really and what you enjoy. A lot of "general rules" can be a little outdated or relevant to much better surfers sometimes.
Oh man.. I forgot that waves size can be interpreted different in areas. Yeah I only ment 6'..8' maybe 10' face waves..the whole face only being 10 feet. Those arnt that big but when it's a beach break and the lip throws over fast and punchy ..where u get hung up on the lip if you dont take off from under the lip type waves. My usual 5'10 puddle jumper rp 36 lit..or my weirdo ripper was getting stuck at the top of those waves...and instead of dropping down the face I'd get thrown off the lip. I tried a more narrow board once of my buddy that had alot of rocker and even a narrow swallow tail but the same liter vol and I made a few of the drops surprisingly and a pinchy bigger beach break day I described. I just dont know if it was because I would freeze up in fear before with the pulled jumper or was I really getting hung up. Maybe my friends board was the answer or I was braver the second go around would just force the drop..idk. winters comming around and I'm worried I'm gonna get hung up on the lip of a 10' pitching punchy storm wave agin like last year. What do you think Bout the HS hypto krypto..would that be a step up ..I'd need it at 6'4 lenght for the volume or thr HS shred sled?