Dragonball Z Abridged Creator Commentary | Ep. 22
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In this episode, Ginyu takes a very particular interest in Goku's body.
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15:30 That entire sequence was the hardest thing I ever had to voice in DBZA...no cap.
The bots are really gonna try and pull that on Masako?
They keep getting more and more vague, too, probably to make filtering them harder without getting real comments.
@@DonnaPinciot Well, they're gone now, so I guess Masako killed them
You're an extremely underrated voice actor. You and Gan.
You nailed it dude.
@@bongosmcdongos4190 heh “nail”Ed it
I've always loved that "being a sarcastic obstructionist asshole to Freeza just for its own sake" is the one and only time Nail and Guru actually agree about something in this series.
“Good work Nail” is still one of my favorite Guru lines. The delivery, the rarity of him approving of anything Nail does. I love it. 😂
He also thanks nail after punching krillin.
My head canon was that nail was spat out by guru, hatched, called himself nail and guru said “ I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE NOW CLEAN MY JOWLS!”
That's actually perfect
Could've been worse, he could've said "clean my bowels"
Oh ok
And that was nails first day on the job
I just like the idea of nail being forced to clean his afterbirth
I love that Guru's sole piece of praise for Nail is for telling Freeza to work the shaft.
I was looking for this comment. It is honestly the only praise Nail ever receives from Guru. Pretty sure it is the only praise Guru ever gives without being sarcastic or making fun of the person right afterwards.
Turn that 5 to 9.
"Hush Nail, I'm speaking for you" is just a fantastic line in general. One of my favorites.
Agreed. Just all of guru and freeza was hilarious. “Oh hello I’m super kami guru and I’m not judging you by your appearance “
The "Hush Nail, I'm speaking for you" line is pretty much my life in a nutshell. 😅😓😑
Gurusplaining
The interaction between Guru and Freeza makes me desperately curious to see how Freeza reacted when he got to hifl and Guru was there
they absolutely need to address this on a hfil ep
YEP. We need a flashback episode of HFIL.
Nah they'd never meet cause Guru would go somewhere deeper
@@ashikjaman1940 ... you DO realize that TFS has a series about Cell's adventures in HFIL, and both Guru and Freeza are there, right..?
I really hope they address that in a flashback. We saw a picture of Raditz, Nappa, and the Ginyus setting up tents. I'm guessing Frieza and Guru arrived around the time the suburbs were built.
I think Captain Ginyu is the first person in the series to read an unexpectedly high power level and not immediately yell "MY SCOUTER MUST BE BROKEN"
He had a bit more understanding of power than many of the others
@@SimsinWonderland I Liked original Ginyu, he was a badass and respected Goku as a martial artist.
Ginyu actually knew how to suppress his own power, which is something nobody else in the Freeza Force can do.
Props to whoever edited this for keeping Ginyu striking the pose fullscreen, then pulling back when Goku is copying it to show Nick also copying it. Nice touch.
@@Dad...... I love how much fun Nick is having with This Thing They Are Doing, every time he recites a line as it comes up I smile.
@@Dad...... Nick Landis' power level is 180,000=confirmed.
I’m glad you went with the decision to have the characters keep their voices, even when the bodies were switched. That made no sense in the original. Your soul doesn’t have your voice box with you!
I imagine it was so kids could understand what happened no matter when they started watching
idk it was cool to hear goku's voice coming out of ginyu's body
It’s because that how the Japanese did it.
Also, the reason Ginyu was trapped in that frog was because he couldn't talk, if his voice traveled with him that wouldn't have been an issue
@@TheBlueArmageddon This is actually the correct answer. Its a decision based on editorial reasons, and not logical ones. Having the voice actors stay the same with each body makes it REALLY easy to keep track of who is in who. Especially if someone were to come in mid episode.
The part about Freeza’s boots are funnier as it is beacuse Ginyu have the mindset of ’if Freeza would wear boots I would polish them’.
To this day I still quote, “oh god! NATURAL LIGHT!”
Same
"Good lord, I was led to believe your species survived on water, HOW IS HE SO FAT!?"
it's so true
Every single day when the sun is just a little too bright. Every time
Anytime I am facing the sun, that's the only thing I will say
The eternal VA highlight will always be Bugs Bunny doing an impression of Daffy Duck, and Daffy Duck doing an impression of Bugs Bunny in return.
Mel Blanc wasn't called the man of 1000 voices for nothing. Absolute genius
I heard that was done in one take too. Ive yet to double check that though
Yeah the voice of fry from Futurama has said how it's basically impossible for most voice actors to do that.
little kuriboh did that with pharaoh doing an impression of little yugi, and viceversa. that was incredible too
@@nubreed13 Red M&M guy. Also, watching old cartoon from way way back when, and I was like "Is that Fry?" Can't recall what it was but I'm sure there are quite a few of those out there.
Justice League Unlimited did a great job of having Lex Luthor and Flash switch bodies while keeping the voice actors.
Steven Universe had a great one with Steven in Lars's body.
And it was meta, because Wally's VA played Lex on Smallville!
Fairy Tail did it very well, even the cast in both dub and sub matching each other.
The best was Lex looking at the mirror "Now to reveal the Flash's true identity.....I have no idea who this is."
@@OathKeeperRiku07 yeah but that was filler so while a fun episode, wasn't Canon and this was a gag, whereas in JLU, it was an actual story plot with a meta Joke since at the time Flashes VA Michael Rossenbulm was playing Flash on JLU And Lex Luthor on the CW's Smallville
I like the "WHAT THE HELL-" followed by "and now your power has been awakened" cause it's like Guru isn't even listening to him. Which fits 😂
I always thought that the power up to Dende made him sarcastic and outspoken. Before then he was very passive. I guess unlocking his potential made him confident.
I actually like that headcannon
That’s when he became the white mage (I think), and you never fuck with the white mage
@@bodenking Except Freezer literally a second later
You say sarcastic and outspoken.
I say annoying and cringey.
@@meinkraft501 cringey how?
Fun fact, all of the Namekians on Planet Namek are Guru's children. So that includes Nail, Dende, & Moori.
Yeah, i was gonna say 😅
And that make piccolo son, dad, cousin of himself.
They're basically like an ant colony
descendants, not really children. children is direct offspring.
i mean, i guess in that "sons of adam/daughters of eve" sense they're his children
Children in the sense of spit them up as eggs? Like piccolo to piccolo jr
When I was a kid I parroted that "work the shaft" joke CONSTANTLY without ever finding out what it meant. Literally didn't realize until I was like 18 😭
Lol that's amazing
Classy
Was it before or after you started... you know, working the shaft
I always die at Goku's "I'm a jerk now..."
I hate to think how many times ive seen these eps, legit more than the actual series
It's so much easier to watch though.
It IS jarring when you hear the official voices though and it just sounds wrong because you're so used to TFS.
@@IzzySarru I perfer TFS iteration of Dragon Ball over the original. And that's saying a lot.
@@kevinb1096 I just prefer Vegeta's and Freeza's, Vegeta is so much more of an lovable asshole and Little Kuriboh does a comedic camp villain like nobody.
@@IzzySarru tfs voices match better
If anything, i’d take that as a good excuse to give the anime, kai or the manga a try again
Even as a fan, there are sk many genuine great things in the og series that get overshadowed by bigger moments
It makes coming back to tfs have a whole new meaning when you get to notice references to jokes and moments from the actual series that you might’ve missed
There are definitely a good amount of jokes from tfs that you thought they made up when in reality they were just from the series or something lol
I love when Ginyu does his pose it cuts back to not only Goku imitating it, but also Lani 😆
14:43-14:55 Same. Feels like whenever a body swap episode happens, especially in animation, they swap the voices so it’s “easier to keep track of” but if you wanna trust your audience, the voices should be kept where they are, but the mannerisms, cadences, and other stuff should help tell that “Oh, it’s not the original soul/personality in that body.”
Aye an unfortunate choice swapping the VA, the body swap trope is such a cool one when done right.
Buffy did a fantastic job with one and you can see both the character Buffy and Faith adopt each other’s mannerisms and they totally nail it.
Its that but i also imagine a part of it is just because its streamlines the process easier
Media but specifically animation (especially on tv) are incredibly costly and time consuming, so cutting corners where you can is done 24/7. Even in a perfect world where artists actually got the time and money to complete their work, at some point you’d need to cut corners or put a stop to it or nothing would ever get done.
Having the va, script, directors, choreographers, board artists etc all work together to sell a body swap trope can land BEAUTIFULLY when in sync
But for some productions, it can be high risk, high reward, for some productions, a minor flub can mean death for their project. Especially when descions are made by higher up executives who sign their paychecks.
So i get why someone would be willing to cut corners on an episode just centered around a gimmick
Only in puny baby American cartoons, in my home country when they swap bodies, they kill original and then that is now real character
I’ve seen the argument that it’s to cater to channel surfers that might not know the context. If character X randomly behaves like Y, these guys will be confused, if they have the same voice it’s clearer why
It’s a stupid ass reasoning, but it makes sense
I always found it weird how the character voices would switch when they swapped bodies. Like, very rarely was it ever addressed when it happened. So, props to TFS for the direction they took.
Why would it be addressed? It’s obviously something done for the sake of the audience and not a thing occurring in the story itself.
"Guru is nails father" really makes nails first day hit a bit differently
I love how they start by downplaying how interesting this stretch of story is, but then suddenly they love every line.
I love that Ginyu and Goku kept their voices but the VA's imitate the articulation and manerisms of the others voice acting. Reminds me of Black Goku speaking like Zamasu and Zamasu speaking like Goku or even Clancy Brown speaking like the Flash in Justice League.
"No... Because I'm evil." Classic.
nice to see JL fans here too
@@ChaitanyaBhat21794 It was a good show with good stories and episodes
I literally quote Guru so much my friends who haven't even seen this say "they wont be able to air it on the news because it'll be soo BRUTAL" in his voice
I honestly thought Masako as Ginyu was a brilliant performance, it was before I knew Masako himself was British, but at the time seeing the same voice make such a difference totally sold the scene for me
@@alexzero3736 I don't understand your question
@@QuizMasterEntertainment neither do I. English.exe has stopped working i guess.
@@alexzero3736 it's called acting, changing the accent is not that hard, even I can pull a British accent and English is just my second language out of four.
ARE YOU FROM BRITISH?
“Yesh!”
Agreed although the switched voice is nearly identical to his actual voice. So much so when I did watch his channel I was like oh wow it’s the swapped voice naturally it is a bit diffrent but it is funny it’s closer to his actual voice
That spot at 2:05 always seemed to fit just right to me. Never felt off in any way.
It's really in line Guru's personality to take a break and zone out after exerting a modicum of energy, completely ignoring Dende's outburst in the process, then continuing on with his commentary as if he didn't just make you wait for his explanation.
I’m disappointed they didn’t mention anything about how Dende becomes much more openly snarky and cocky after the power up, implying that guru unleashed his smartass potential as well as his healing powers. Must have been unintentional but they should have taken credit for it.
Love how Ginyu values teammates not for their skills, but the color of their skin.
Like a super weird set of priorities of aesthetics over anything else.
I mean valuing employees based on their skin color and not their abilities is a pretty common set of priorities IRL, innit?
@@andyenglish4303 Sadly, true…
@@andyenglish4303 It's racism. In space.
@@Praisethesunson Spacism
Ginyu is well versed in affirmative action and has a high ESG score.
I can rewatch DBZA over and over again and never get board. From episode 1 to 60 part 3. Never stop doing what you guys do!
Lani's Vegeta is the best Vegeta
In my world the Korin and Yajirobe marriage is cannon!
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Guru: "I’m the guy who’s not judging you by your appearance"
Also Guru: "Nail... there is an albino namekian behind you... kill it like the rest"
“Killing Crabs” was my ringtone for like a year lol
Still love that jam
I love that Ginyu Goku was Masakox essentially just doing his real voice.
I always enjoyed Masako's portrayal of Ginyu Goku cuz it gave an idea of what his Goku Black portrayal would sound like (I know that TFS has since done a DBS scene with Goku Black in it, but still)
I have great respect for any show that doesn't swap voices when characters swap bodies. It's one of the reasons I love Golden Wind's dub so much. It's such a great way for the actors to really show their talents
Yeah I've always hated it in shows where voices swap with bodies. I like it better when either the voice actor stays with the body or has to do their best impression of the other character. Part of that is because vocal chords don't change but I feel people use vocal chords very instinctively to the point where using a different set is going to produce a different voice. Plus I always like seeing actors/voice actors showing their stuff by acting as a different character.
As a tech support professional I want to thank you for introducing me to my favorite thing to tell a rude caller.
every time i walk outside and it's blindingly bright, i always manage to say "oh god... NATURAL LIGHT!" idk why, but Taka's delivery was so perfect, i can't help but laugh every time i hear it. also Antfish cannot be understated. his acting and his performance as Ginyu is amazing and later down the line he plays a picture perfect Mr. Satan. he's amazing in everything he does.
so, Bill Friberger actually adressed that on a Sonic Boom commentary in which they actually had Sonic & Eggman swap bodies & voices
1- he somehow was apparently unaware that most cartoons also swap voices.
2- Also because a lot of the jokes had them trying to pass as each other the script basically said something like "Sonic: [in Eggman's body pretending to be Sonic]" so Roger & Mike would sometimes get confused as to who actually had to say which line
honestly these are really making me look forward to Wednesday and Saturday. cant wait for more!
2 a week! 2 a week!
I’ve been battling depression for over a decade, but the past week has been one of the hardest yet. These videos, and DBZA in general, are one of the few things that manage to put a smile on my face almost the entire time I’m watching them. Thank you so much for what you’ve created. I can’t wait to be able to binge the entire thing when it’s done.
If there’s anything I want more than life, is them explaining how “Team Fortress 2” sound effects made their way into the edit. Obviously not what sold me on the final project but GOD do I love hearing them!!!
The Blackest void joke will always be my favorite joke in the series
"Naaaaail... don't take his coat", still love that line. Needs to be on a T-Shirt or something.
I do love how Lani doing his line at the exact same time as he did in the episodes keeps making Kaiser laugh! It is very sweet!
We're all proud of you, Kaiser!
I love how even the creators recite the lines while watching like most the comments do on the vids XD they’re fans of their own work
Farscape did the best body swap episode ever, when it comes to actors playing each other's characters. Out Of Their Minds is still screamingly hilarious, all these years later.
That was the first thing I thought of when they started talking about it.
I didn't know someone else had mentioned it in the comments! It really is the best example of this trope I can personally think of, and I've seen a fair few of them.
@@theimaginatrix7625 farscape is great in general
@@dvdkolk Truth. Probably the best sci-fi series ever made when it comes to sheer depth and breadth of character development and evolution.
Not a single one of the protagonists (or the primary antagonists, for that matter) are anywhere near the same person at the end of Season 4 that they were in Season 1. And all those changes are *earned*.
The picture cards they hang around their necks so the characters themselves can keep track of who's who.
Guldo is truly the Raditz of the Ginyu Force.
11:40 If my memory is correct Guru birthed all the namekians that appeared in the Namek saga in DBZ considering that namekians reproduce Asexually through eggs.
14:44 - The anime for Jojo did that in Part 5, and both the sub and dub pulled it off really well. Especially Mista and Trish in the dub.
@Skeleton Nick Also, "Where'd you go, little guy?!"
Sean Chiplock really went hard to sell Mista in Trish’s body, and boy did he succeed
Fun Fact: Ginyu's power level is 120,000, and Vegeta's power level in his Great Ape form was 180,000, which means Vegeta was stronger than Ginyu before he lost his tail.
I imagine that it would be like buff super sayain trunks fighting cell. Much stronger but too slow to hit anything.
@@nicolasachille4371I mean great ape was usually fast enough to kill most aliens, not to mention fast enough to catch and crush Goku, so it could go either way.
@@nicolasachille4371 Ozaru explicitly doesn't have a speed penalty. Neither does Piccolo's gigantification for that matter. Their speed scaling consistently is explicitly pointed out for both
The voices never switching when body swaps happened always annoyed the hell outta me too!!!
So glad you guys did what you did, and the performances were fantastic!
~_~
I also like it when shows maintain the voices of the bodies when characters swap bodies. It becomes jarring when they don't. Even more so when they do it for one swap pair and don't do it for another, even when it happens in the same episode. For example the episode 'A change of face' in the original Ben 10 series. Gwen and Charmcaster swap bodies and their voices stay consistent. However later in the episode, Gwen (back in her original body) and Ben swap bodies but the voices are not consistent. Meaning that you hear Bens voice coming out of Gwens body and visa versa.
Lani: "Goku is now Ginyu, Ginyu is now Goku, and--"
Viva Reverie: "NARANCIA IS TRISH!!!"
7:15
"More familiar with the footage than anybody" while talking about Freeza's boots. Don't think you snuck that one past me Lani
It’s weird, aside from the Sonic Boom cartoon, this is probably the only body swap story that I can think of where the voices stay the same, but the inflections change
Justice League Unlimited
@@SuperSayianWarrior I’ve never watched that show
Ben ten classic
Did it in one episode
Then they kept the original voices for a later swap so idk
A thought that just came to mind. Lani said "good on the scouters for not breaking" when Goku powered up. When the Ginyu force landed on Namek and gave Frieza his new scouter, they mentioned they were the new up-to-date scouters. Assumedly, being up-to-date means better tracking of power levels and greater resistance to breaking while analyzing. Later Frieza mentions that it's been a long while since he's transformed and last time he clocked his second form the power level was 1 million. How?! How did they even analyze that when before this scouters broke long before reaching 100k?!
Ik this comment is a year old but 1. Freeza estimates his power level is probably over 1 million, he actually isn't saying that as a matter of fact and 2. Scouters are just little mobile devices, certainly stronger stationary power reading stations existed before. They appear in anime filler
That Wilhelm gag was so good.
That “NAAAAAAIL” at 9:12-9:20 always murders me
You would think Nail being the guardian he would have already been awakened
Goku punching Jeice again and Ginyu goin “Jeice..what have i told you?” Fuckin KILLS me every time hahahahaaaa!!
That Vegeta "interesting" line is something I still quote to this day. Also I was a fan of the whole voice thing too
8:31 - Ngl, Kaiser, I actually love that line too. It really shows how diabolical Frieza is here.
Antfish and Masako did such an unbelievable great job with their voicework.
I never knew the episodes had names until they brought up the crab metal song possibly being in the description and then going to the description of ep 22 and seeing it for the first time!
This episode is called…
“The Good, The bad, and the purple”
I'm with Lani. One of my least favourite tropes is when shows do a body swap plot but the voices change, so I was thrilled to hear Antfish play Goku and Masako play Ginyu in the coming episode; it's great to let these actors flex their skills and try their hand at playing a different character.
I just want to point out that I got a Jimmy John’s commercial during this episode and the voiceover sounded JUST like the Spacey’s commercials. My first thought was “I don’t remember another Namekamania commercial.”
I have been corrupted and I love it.
13:13 I love how casually Goku and Jeice spoke together, it is just so good.
Rodger from American Dad is the perfect example of the character “body switch” voice thing.
Seth Macfarlane was once voiced Rodger doing an impression of Stan and he nails it.
The JoJo Part 5 dub did the thing Kaiser was talking about was committing to keeping the Voice Actors attached to the body but switching the personality.
After this episode there was a week that was cloudy throughout where I lived, on the first sunny morning I woke up and yelled "Oh God, natural light!" from my room with the same delivery as Guru, and my mother lost her shit. She would quote that occasionally ever since.
My headcanon for Gohan's piano recitals is Chichi made him practice and acted as a teacher at a very young age. She then made Goku sit down, watch, and act like the audience in a mock recital while the three year old awkwardly clanks on the keyboard.
I loved the line "Oh but you see, I did do it to you!" I loved the splice edit at the end. It made the body change more ominous.
Seeing you guys doing this thing that you're doing brings me great joy. Thanks!
I'm glad I found antfish because of you guys and his jojos abridged series lead me to watch the regular jojos series. Overall great time.
Im so glad you're doing the thing you're doing 👌 such a nostalgia rush with all this new info and context rocks ! (the dragon.. obviously!) 🐉
This honestly is the best part of my week. Opening CZcams and finding a new commentary video. Thank you TFS for all you guys do.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. I absolutely love this series, watching new episodes are some of the highlights of my week. Its so fun to go through the series getting the creator commentary. I started watching this series back in middle school and now I'm going onto my final year of college, so DBZA has been a big part of my life. I've the episodes and specials so many times, but this gives me a brand new look at all these episodes I grew up with. I actually have been stopping myself from going back and watching the episodes ahead of the commentary bc I just want to experience them again with the commentary
Ginyu in all fairness was league above the rest of the force. He was actually about even to base goku when he arrived, but once he start using Kaio ken he was clearly outmatched, needing to switch bodies
Yall have been rekindling my interest in dragon ball, thank you guys for doing this!!
As someone who watched DBZ week-to-week as a kid pre-Kai, the goku/ginyu voice choice helped a lot with clearly distinguishing who was who over a series of multiple episodes. I probably coulda figured it out, but both the sub and dub did it so they probably knew it was better for younger audiences.
this show is the best implimentation of creator commentary i've ever seen. its actually enjoyable!
Love this show!!! You guys are awesome! Love the behind the scenes commentary
14:40 there is a trope called "Voices Are Mental" that actually address this and it seems that its mostly of a lack of talent or range from the voice actors. In almost any time there is a body swap, the characters never keep their voices, they trade them and its because the actors dont know how to play other characters than the one they are already doing(and if they do and tried it may have come out wrong).
Love you guys!!!!! Thank you for existing🤙🤙🤙🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Always anticipating more of this thing that you're doing 🙌
I'm glad you guys are uploading more than once a week.
"and you're purple" got a lol outta me. good stuff
My favorite bit is when the ginyu force shows up on king Kai’s planet and guldos best insult to king Kai is “you’re blue!”
9:55 I love how Nail just sounds so done with that day
Ginu: "Did he at least die with dignity?"
Jeice: "Face down, ass up captain."
I love how Goku TWICE tells Gohan to go find Bulma and yet he STILL manages to forget about her up to the point where he needs someone to fly the ship for him.
I like to think that the "old ways" that Guru taught Nail was about how to come up with zingers, like "Have you tried working the shaft?"
And that if he taught him the new ways, like dodging Frieza's disarms, then he would have put up a better fight.
I will forever love how you guys mouth along with the lines.
Let’s fricking go! Loving these commentary tracks
ngl, ive been lurking. but it seems like you guys/the editor has really really put effort into this episode, thank you
According to the wiki (which you can take or leave honestly) every Namekian is one of Guru's children. At the very least the Elders all are, I believe.
just binged up to 21 just to see this drop. love hearing all the behind the scenes of the jokes i grew up with.
This always makes my week better