Can these cheaper wines beat the expensive Goliath?
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I use this wine key: Forge de Laguiole Ebony
I have used this glass in this Video: Stem Zero Powerful Red Wine Glass
I have tasted the following wines in this Video:
2021 Dog Point Chardonnay, Marlborough, New Zealand
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2020 Weingut Sattlerhof Ried Kapellenweingarten Morillon, Sudsteiermark DAC, Austria
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2021 Domaine Hubert Lamy Les Frionnes, Saint-Aubin Premier Cru, France
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2020 Weingut Ziereisen Hard, Baden, Germany
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2021 Domaine Maurice Protheau & Fils Chateau d'Etroyes Rully Blanc Les Fromanges, Cote Chalonnaise, France
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2020 McHenry Hohnen Burnside Vineyard Chardonnay, Margaret River, Australia
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The 100 Point Scoring System (from www.robertparker.com):
96-100: An extraordinary wine of profound and complex character displaying all the attributes expected of a classic wine of its variety. Wines of this caliber are worth a special effort to find, purchase and consume.
90 - 95: An outstanding wine of exceptional complexity and character. In short, these are terrific wines.
80 - 89: A barely above average to very good wine displaying various degrees of finesse and flavor as well as character with no noticeable flaws.
70 - 79: An average wine with little distinction except that it is soundly made. In essence, a straightforward, innocuous wine.
60 - 69: A below-average wine containing noticeable deficiencies, such as excessive acidity and/or tannin, an absence of flavor or possibly dirty aromas or flavors.
50 - 59: A wine deemed to be unacceptable.
The wine world is constantly changing and evolving but there are certain Brands that have proven themselves over the years.
They are the wines from famous producers, classified wineries, and / or cru vineyards that inspired winemakers to one day make something as good as the stuff from the it - wineries.
But here is the thing - and I repeat myself - the wine world is constantly changing and evolving and what once was may no longer be.
That means for us - you and me - that we should look for interesting alternatives to the great wines of the world to save a buck or two.
That is - if these Davids can beat Goliath in a fair fight - or rather in a fair blind tasting.
Leon has selected 6 wines that are made from the same grape variety: One of them is the Goliath from a famous estate and region and the other ones are the Davids - cheaper, less famous wines.
It is my job to guess which one is the Goliath AND whether the expensive wine wins the tasting … or not. Let's dive in.
GIVE US MORE OF THOSE!😍
Goliath vs. David should be a whole Series please 🙏🏼
agreed!
I will!
+1 There should be an episode on every „essential“ wine that one should have in the cellar.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine excellent!
Agreed. This is a great format.
Next David vs Goliath should be on the sparkling wine category! The classic champagne grapes are used all over the world
Neither the grapes nor the method are enough to fully emulate the terroir. But I have tasted excellent Crémants from many different countries...
To my reading the only defining characteristic of Cremants is the 4 atmosphere CO2 pressure vs. 8 atmospheres for the method traditionnelle wines. @@PierreDybman
I hear Argyle is really close to a champagne that costs over 10x as much
No, not necessarily as the CO-pressure is regulated by a minimum in the AOC so they can be at the same level of pressure today.
And both Cremate and Champagne use the traditional method. Although grape verities can vary vastly.
But I think that what @PierreDybman is getting at is the fact that that even if you use the traditional method and the traditional grapes you won't be able to emulate the terroir of Champagne; so it would be a little bit to easy to pick out in a line-up.@@reestyfarts
Lots of options using the traditional method: cremant, cava, cap classique, franciacorta. Been impressed by Franciacorta and Cap Classique more than any Cremant. Would be great to include the new Corpinnat appelation.
The next David vs Goliath could be a continuation of a Burgundy vs the world theme, Pinot Noir!
A $100 burgundy pitted against $50 Oregon, Santa Rita Hills, Germany, etc might come in last 😂
@@jimcricket8334right, but could you call a 100€ Burgundy a Goliath? That‘s like one of David‘s older brothers :)
Next one has to be Pinot Noir/Spätburgunder/Blauburgunder PLEASE !!!!
I want to find some bang for the buck wines through that aswell :D
GO KONSTANTIN GO! Love seeing you taste blind and talk through the steps/nuances. Detektiv Konstantin.
The little Rully that could. That's what happens when you drink a ton of wine and know good from bad and what your personal tastes are. I've had all sorts of mega expensive bottles and the vast majority of my favorite wines fall into the regularly-affordable category.
I vote for Pinot Noir as the next one!
And perhaps the concept of ‘Bordeaux Blend’ as a second one? Although this varies much more wildly as any single variety wine of course.
I generally find that the more expensive the bottle, the more the bottle appreciates some time in the cellar. It doesn't work for me to put a $25 bottle and a $100 bottle side by side from the same vintage because the less expensive bottle will generally be more open and just drink better. But if the $25 bottle was from 2020 and the $100 bottle was from the 2015 vintage, I would think I had leveled the playing field and now I would expect the people to prefer the more expensive bottle. I should add that, given cellar time, I expect the more expensive bottle to show more complexity. Keep blind tasting as I admire your bravery and your honesty. Blind tasting keeps us all humble.
Some of thoae chards should age pretty nicely. Certainly some Margaret river and NZ do, although admittedly I am thinking of a slightly higher price point. But the white burg goliath would probably premox anyway and so lose... 😂
I love the blind tastings. Please keep them coming. Always nice to see David bring down Goliath.
Do Bordeaux-style blends next! See if anything can topple the 2010 Pontet-Canet.
There are so many varieties to choose from... I'd suggest Syrah :)
Another vote for this becoming a series. I think this was one of my favourite videos from you. Great work.
Pinot Noir / Spätburgunder / Blauburgunder wäre interessant bei der nächsten David vs. Goliath. Wäre schön gewesen bei Chardonnay einen Schweizer Wein drin zu haben. Vielleicht bei Pinot Noir?!
Do the David vs Goliath with Bordeaux blends. You could include a growth wine, a super Tuscan and have Bordeaux blends from some more unusual areas as well.
Cabernet sauvignon would be interested. Although I guess a lot of the very expensive vinyards uses the grape in blends. Would love to see one with cabernet franc too.
Great video as always 😊
You're absolutely brilliant Konstantin! Part of what makes your channel so great is that you take risks which then translate to viewing pleasure. David v Goliath challenge Bordeaux blends please!
Syrah or shiraz would be interesting! Primativo, CA, WA, Aus, France, etc.
It'd also be cool to see some less talked about varieties like petit verdot.
The results are certainly interesting. Great video. Maybe a pinot noir would make for a great challenge?
Great idea for a blind tasting. Watching you go through the evaluation process was very educational for a wannabe blind taster like myself. This theme could be used for many more tastings on your show. Also, the production quality on your channel is very good - I appreciate that very much.
Either Pinot Noir or Cabernet Sauvignon would be great choices for your next David vs. Goliath. Keep this up!
would love to see a syrah/shiraz david and goliath
Easily the most honest and revealing wine tasting I’ve seen on YT. BRAVO Constantin!
Great video! Despite the discrepancy in price between #3 and #5, they are both French burgundies.
Great video. Fascinating! I’m a huge Lamy fan and take the wines ep every year. Olivier ((the son) is a meticulous winemaker. You are right that Rully producers make terrific wines and are more price worthy. Lamy is now much pricier than when I started laying the wines down in 2010. Champagne/sparking would be good. Also Syrah/Shiraz
Thanks again
Would love to see cab sauv from the new and old world
love to see margaret river chardonnay on the channel, mchenry hohnen do great stuff
great video!
Loving it! Thank you
Glad you enjoy it!
Loved this tasting. Very interesting.
It would be interesting for you to do a tasting with the real top tier wines that run in the hundreds to thousand in their intended prime (6-10 years?) against the cheaper wines in their intended windows (much younger) to use a real goliath and a real david while comparing them all in their primes.
Always enjoy your presentations. The honesty and professionalism, with the light- hearted approach just adds to the enjoyment. Well done!
nice video again! Where'd you get those 'Bottle-Hiders' with numbers?
One of the best and most useful episodes so far. More, please.
Loving these types of tastings. PLease do more.
Great video. Riesling and pinot would be very interesting in this format 👍
great concept for the video with a fascinating results😅
Great concept for a video series. Especially love the honesty and humility of putting yourself out there when it could be tempting to revise your opinions later after learning the wines to inflate scores of the more expensive wines. Thanks for another great video!
This was one of your best videos so far, great concept, well executed, and a great learning experience. Way to start 2024, Konstantin (and Leon)!!🙏🍷🌺🌺
Worthwhile format. Really enjoyed it. Please turn it into a series. Great suggestions from many if your other fans.
Awesome format! 👏
And nice to see a Rully on top - I have had a bit och a fling with that area for the past couple of years as I've experienced it to have one of the best QPR for white Burgundy.
I would love to see Sauvignon Blanc, Syrah and Grenache in the future!
Another awesome video, Konstantin! It'd be great to have you evaluating chablis in a chardonnay line-up on another occasion. Best! Wojtek
Love your videos - please consider trying some Martinborough wines from NZ, seriously underrated.
great content
I love all your videos and your honest, unpretentious style. I loved this one and hope you will do more. I would agree on the Sparkling wine category. I think you could also do this within a specific wines like Barolos, Brunellos, Super Tuscans to find great value wines vs the well known Goliaths.
Ziereisen Hard is such a good wine, had two older vintages; ages beautifully
Very nice series idea! NoSediment just had a guest who talked about how inaccessible a lot of discussed wines are so this is good
Love the swords. Keep up the good work Mr. Baum
Love this, great format Konstantin (well played for the NZ one!) and great selection Leon :) Rully for the win! For a subsequent one I would suggest either Chenin or Sauvignon blanc, both being present in different countries, styles and price points. Would also love a similar exercise with different Nebbiolos, even though it would be geographically narrower.
Would love to see you do a focus on the Alto Adige! They make amazing interesting whites! Especially Andriano / Terlano! Thanks!!!
Super cool tasting! Lot of interesting insight from how you dissected fruit, oak, and winemaking style which is so curiously challenging with chardonnay. I guess Burgundy is not invincible after all haha!
Awesome content! Cabernet Sauvignon next please :D So happy to see Margaret River represented, some of the best Chardonnay around is being produced there.
Great video KB, love the concept. Would love to see Pinot Noir & Syrah blind tastings at different price points.
I had the 2008 Dog Point Vineyard Section 94 and rated it 92 and 93 point on two different occasions. Sattlerhof is very good but a mixed bag. I only had their Sauvignon blanc, Muskateller and their Weissburgunder. I am wineaficionado at cellartracker.
Just the type of tasting of which we need more. I guess it means lots of good content for you. I would like more red wines my preference being cabernets. Thanks for the content.
This is an amazing video. I also want to share this video with so many “snobs“ (not to be confused with nerds) around me who sometimes say, there’s nothing interesting outside cote d‘or or Bordeaux. Thanks for making these super interesting, authentic and creative videos!
Always gotta re wind and rewatch your blind series from the start after you reveal the labels to understand the style of each label, vs the first time where it’s a play-along. Love the double experience in a vid haha
Great video and blind tasting concept! With Burgundy prices skyrocketing I would love to see a Pinot Noir David vs Goliath tasting.
Very good and most intersting. New Z got me curious. A new to try, Grenache perhaps?
Great content KB, brilliant, more like this, down to earth, believable, I want Rioja! Do Rioja!!
Such a great format. You should do more of these for sure!
Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot, Syrah and Riesling would all make for great David v Goliaths.
Amazing tasting Konstantine! Definitely Cabernet Sauvignon for the next David vs Goliat.
I would like you to make a similar video about Bordeaux wines :) cheers!
Great video and it seems that we are all in agreement that this format should be an ongoing series. I would be curious to see a Pinot Noir David vs. Goliath, as it is a tough and finicky grape to grow. But it can deliver incredible wines that are both enjoyable and intellectually challenging as well. Cheers!
Love the David v Goliath. Echo other sentiments. Make this a series!!!!
Excellent tasting! A similar one for red Burgundy and various other Pinot Noir from around the world? Cheers 🥂
Would love to see a video of your personal wine collection😊
New Zealand does fantastic chardonnay; when I was there recently I had to add the Kumeu River chardonnay to my cellar on your recommendation, and the home block chardonnay from Te Kairanga in Martinborough.
🇮🇱 Danku Doc! Good VID! Great Schvitz... Its really wonderful perspective.. though the scaling numbers could be more precise. Carry on! God bless Us. 🙏🧿🥂
I enjoy seeing the variety in flavour profiles of the same grape, while still having qualities that tie them together. I have been enjoying grenache recently and would enjoy a David vs Goliath of this grape varietal. It is delicious, but doesn’t sit much in the spotlight.
So interesting that the 1er Cru burgundy was the WEIRDEST for you in terms of blind tasting…. What only the cote dor brings!
We just opened a bottle of the 2020 Dog Point Chardonnay. I couldn't find the 2021. Very good. Perhaps more mineral than the one you tasted. Thanks for these ideas!
Great video!
Would you be inteested in tasting wine from my vineyard in North Carolina?
Very entertaining exercise, Master! As I watch this, I am enjoying a glass of 2021 Jim Barry Lodge Hill Riesling from Oregon, which is pretty delicious. Next time do a Riesling D vs. G. Cheers 🥂!!
. . . Any Riesling worth it’s name is worth allowing to sleep for 5 to 10 years. The better one’s n e e d a
m i n i m u m of, at least, 10 years.
This was great. I do think usage of wine discs could better ensure the “blindness” of the test. Even the best wine bags can’t fully hide the bottle openings which can betray the origin of the bottle (screw cap is most likely New Zealand when it comes to high end wines)
Fantastic video - thank you. How about a Swiss wine some time? 🙂
I think you need a Margaret River vs California tasting now. You just made me realize they’re both west coast, cool parts of hot places where people have too much money.
A gr8 tasting as always, let's buy some of the cheap Goliath straight away😊
Thanks Konstantin. this was enlightening but proves the old adage that the price and vineyard in Burgundy is not a guarantee that you will get the best wine. It’s all about the grower. I would love to see you stay in Burgundy and compare pinot noir, there are so many countries producing fabulous pinot’s and if you stay at a price range below some of the crazy prices for some of the Grand Cru’s, your Goliath may not be a Pinot from Burgundy. This would be very interesting.
Please try the Marcillac wines made from the Fer Servadou (aka Mansois) grape.
I raise these questions because, living in the tropics of Northern Australia, almost all the wine I have in my cellar has come by the dozen, over long distances, and sometimes through warm temperatures (although bottle temperatures on arrival have never been more than 30 C). Two general points are relevant to your tastings. First, if the wines you drink been transported to you recently, and if this is over long distances, or where they may have been shaken around, do you allow time for them to settle and acclimatise themselves to your cellar? Second, with wines that are screw cap, do you open them in advance sometimes, or taste them again the next day to see how they've evolved. I find this second issue to be important, because many screw-cap wines are ‘closed’ for some hours, sometimes for at least one day. Indeed, I generally open my ‘rizzas’ the day before I intend to drink them, and sample a half glass to let some oxygen into the bottle. Third, you don't always comment on the seal of the wine. In this tasting the two southern hemisphere wines were obviously screw cap, so my question above becomes especially relevant and I would love to know if you revisited the dog point the next day was it even better? I strongly suspect it would have been; I just did exactly that a day or two ago with a wine from very close by, also rated very highly, the Isabel estate, and that was most definitely better than the next day, when it opened up even more.
Hi Konstanin! Could you probably make a video on a topic of fake wines? Something that is not easy to find any info on the internet.
exactly what I was going to write 👍 Pls do a southern Rhone tasting - D vs G
Not surprised a Margaret River Chardonnay showed well. Without doubt Australia produces some of the best Chardonnays on the planet, from a variety of regions - Margaret River, Adelaide Hills, Tasmania, Yarra Valley, Beechworth, Macedon Ranges among others. I am fond of NZ Chardonnay too but IMO Australia has its nose clearly in front of its Kiwi brethren at this stage at least.
Next David vs Goliath. Please Cotes du Rhone from southern Rhone vs. Chateauneuf du Pape
I really want to see another David vs Goliath challenge, this is a great format for a video! My vote is cabernet sauvignon.
Great concept this, would love to see more of it. Gotta say, a Saint Aubin 1er Cru is hardly a Goliat in Burgundy though prices have gone up the roof recently. Would have loved to se a high end Puligny-Montrachet or something like it but thats only because I dont have to pay the bill.
…and also it is a bit difficult to compare the vintages from 2021 and 2020 from different winemakers and different climats. 2020 was such an extraordinarily great vintage in Burgundy. In these years one can find wonderful wines from less expensive wineries, giving you an astonishing enjoyment for a quite reasonable price point.
Many thanks not just for this tasting but also all the others. As I have aged-aka matured- I have become less and less a fan of the expensive wines regardless of region. I have been fortunate to drink wines that cost many $100’s and collected many of them. Many of them have been sold as I realized a few years ago that they weren’t worth it taste wise or at least my palette could not taste the last 3 or 4 points between 94-97,98,99 points. Nor was I able to, hand on heart, justify the jump from $30-50 to $500 for those few extra points which I could not decipher anyhow. I appreciate some can taste those point differences which is why I felt good about selling the wines on. For what it is worth, I have come to the conclusion that the sweet spot is in the $20-50 range. Thereafter, I am not sure that what I am paying for goes into what I drink rather than label, marketing etc. Sure, if you need to impress a great Bordeaux etc will do it over a cheaper wine but once you are over the need to impress, it is what is in the bottle that counts. As to the future, further battles within the grape varieties is always fun as you be an analysis of price vs points. On that note I have often wondered when MVs give say, 90 points to a grand cru and 90 to a cheaper wine are those 90 points the same or not. Thanks again for all the great work and all the best for 2024.
Hi Konstantin, I‘d like to see a Bordeaux Blend David vs Goliath. Cheers
Interesting. Good to see even the expert can get it wrong sometimes. Thanks.
great format. especially as the "davids" are reasonably priced and not from the "gut & günstig supermarket ecke" (ifykyk). please do brunellos :)
One of your best, thanks. Next one Chenin Blanc please, preferably with some age. Can anyone beat 20 year old Huet Vouvray demi-sec?
Is "a touch of naturelleness" a euphemism for a high end but slightly faulty wine? Love the concept of this video, would also be interested to learn about the thoughts of the person (Leon?) who picked the wines. Possibly on a second channel.
I would love to do these for each of the major grapes. Cabernet, syrah/shiraz, malbec, riesling,
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
Great tasting. Young good quality Chardonnays can be difficult to tell apart. For me as they age is when the great one’s separate from the pack. Pinot Noir would be a nice Goliath tasting. Cheers!!
Sadly, that Rully from Chateau d' Etroyes appears to be unobtainable in the USA. Same story with the Dog Point 2021.
Rully definitely offers some of the best value Chards out there. Even the premier crus are modestly priced, especially by Burgundy standards. After drinking quite a lot of Burgundies so far, I still think the Chards offer more excitement and they are by far the more consistent wines in the region. Burgundian Pinot is still an extremely frustrating affair, for me at least. Great tasting, by the way, I will look for some of the Davids in this line-up!
This was great fun! Red wine, please!!🍷
Can you make a top ten list of different wine categories and different price ranges? For example, Top 10 Riesling from Germany till 20€. Would be great.
I live in the French Pyrenees surrounded by Clos des Fées, Gauby, Pithon and many others. Have you tried these in a video? Some really excellent wines.