Bicycle chainless drive of roller gears

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  • čas přidán 28. 07. 2018
  • Being different from bevel gears:
    • Hoe werkt een cardanas...
    roller gears of ceramic ball bearings in this design help to reduce friction and increase efficiency.
    Blue roller gear has prismatic joint with violet roller gear (sliding key).
    Set of face gears (in yellow) for bicycle rear wheel allows getting large speed numbers.
    Gear shifting device (placed in the bicycle chain stay) consists of screw-nut mechanism, blue step motor powered by brown battery. The orange nut has a pin that slides in circular groove of the blue roller gear hole.
    There is an oneway overrunning clutch (freewheel) placed between the rear shaft and the yellow rear hub (not shown).
    The video shows shifting proccess from highest speed to lowest one.
    This video was made based on design of CeramicSpeed:
    • Is Ceramicspeed Driven...
    STEP files of this video:
    www.mediafire.com/file/udx1mb7...
    Inventor files of this video:
    www.mediafire.com/file/tkaiy3b...
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Komentáře • 106

  • @perrykatodia7884
    @perrykatodia7884 Před 6 lety

    I have seen the actual bicycle prototype as well and apparently it’s very efficient in delivering power

  • @marcusdali3997
    @marcusdali3997 Před 5 lety +3

    Very Nice, Thanks for making the model.

  • @mescalinum
    @mescalinum Před 6 lety +3

    Given that you cannot change gear at every position of the wheel (teeth do line up only at certain angles) how do you synchronize wheel angle with pinion shifting?

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 6 lety +5

      In this video the roller width is smaller than the distance between two adjacent tooth rims. In shifting process the rollers first leave
      one tooth rim and then enter the next one. So no need to shift at position where the teeth are in line. There is the collision between the rollers and the tooth rims so the shift shoud be performed at slow speed.
      The same concept can be found in car or motorcycle gearboxes of spur gears.

    • @ucanliv4ever
      @ucanliv4ever Před 3 lety

      If ya can't find em, grind em

  • @BiddieTube
    @BiddieTube Před 6 lety +6

    If you can find a way to shift the ratio without the electronics, do it mechanically only, then that would be a great accomplishment. If you do this, please make it opensource. The multi ratio gear (or whatever they are going to call it) will flex and bend away from the pinion under any kind of load, and that is another issue they must address. I thought of a solution to that about a week ago when I first seen a video on this. But there likely are many possible solutions.

    • @aymanhassouna2981
      @aymanhassouna2981 Před 6 lety

      I think the CTV is the best solution and transmitting depends on pinion ratio (angular speed) by that mechanism which forms of some metallic heavy balls obtain around a shaft when the speed get higher
      the balls will be gripped away outwards and it grips another shaft that controls the width of rollers which carry the belt

    • @BiddieTube
      @BiddieTube Před 6 lety

      I would like to know how many watts a normal good quality standard derailer shift system consumes. I bet it is real low. With that in mind, this chainless system is for all but the most advanced racer, absolutely a waste of money, likely many thousands of dollars USD. I also RETRACT my comment above where I mention "I thought of a solution" because I thought some more and found that it will not work on a spoked wheel.

    • @chevydavidson9220
      @chevydavidson9220 Před 6 lety +1

      BiddieTube an adjustment like what is used on an axial piston pump would work to shift it. I think it might be called a swash plate. I wonder if you could make it infinitely variable if you machine it out of a solid piece with the roller guides moving to the center in a linear fashion.

  • @arturst1146
    @arturst1146 Před 4 lety

    Отлично, вы молодец!

  • @alhuthailiusa8151
    @alhuthailiusa8151 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the video

  • @suyashthatte1259
    @suyashthatte1259 Před 6 lety +3

    what would be the advantage in this? apart from chain coming out..

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 6 lety +2

      For its advantages see:
      bikerumor.com/2018/07/08/wild-ceramicspeed-driven-13-speed-drivetrain-concept-shifts-with-no-derailleur/

    • @TechTomVideo
      @TechTomVideo Před 6 lety +2

      There are only disadvantages

    • @MK.1599
      @MK.1599 Před 6 lety +1

      As I see it there is more cons than pros.
      1. Most likely can't upgrade your old bike and if can it would be costly
      2. The initial cost it self very high, you need to buy new bike
      3. Most likely problem with length of the shaft as every bike maker make their bikes in slight different dimensions.
      4. If one of disk gear teeth damage whole dish need to be replaced, as all gears are one piece disk, so you can't use damage gear and how would like jumping between gears through the damage one?
      5. If there will be one standard? or many? as different companies like to implement their own idea in size, length amount of rollers.
      6. When shaft somehow break in the middle of your trip what then? Chain you can easy fix with spear parts (if someone have their repair kit) here I can see a problem.
      Chain it simple, easy to fix and common, weight is small and for the drag well, if you want travel in comfort, buy eclectic bike or go by car.
      As to info from above URL
      "to have less drag, less weight, and take up less space? That’s what CeramicSpeed has done with their new Driven drivetrain concept, relying on a pair of roller pinions on a carbon driveshaft" --- really?? Less space, how? As for what their picture shows the dimensions of the bike didn't change and if they are taking about the gears and shaft than this information is irrelevant.
      The rest of text is standard "BS" using "99% better" advertisment.
      If there are some major pross to this concept please write below.

    • @unbee73
      @unbee73 Před 6 lety +3

      1. not a con. more like.. when you buy a new one, then it could have this transmission
      2. not a con. think frames for disk brakes.
      3. length of bottom bracket to rear derailleur is pretty much the same on every bike, because it depends on the size of the rear wheel, which is the same size on every bike, not the frame size.
      4. yeah maybe
      5. same as with with shimano, sram, campagnolo shifters and disc brakes
      6. really, what when your frame brakes in the middle of your trip? it's not a chain, it's pretty damn sturdy carbon fiber, or any other material.

  • @trkoo
    @trkoo Před 6 lety

    I appreciate you referring to the ceramic speed video. I would have hated your channel if you claimed this as if it was your own unique idea.

  • @loveveshbhaipatel303
    @loveveshbhaipatel303 Před 2 lety

    how did u mesh the teeth in inventory can u please tell me

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 2 lety

      This video was made in Autodesk Inventor, Dynamic simulation.
      3D Contact is used for the teeth.
      Download Inventor files of the video to know more.
      The link is in the video description.

  • @imarmourixp5351
    @imarmourixp5351 Před 3 lety

    Very nice

  • @NotN8
    @NotN8 Před 6 lety

    I'd like to see thang010146 concept of a chainless IVT (indefinitely variable transmission) for a bicycle

  • @blise518B
    @blise518B Před 6 lety +1

    The bearings would hit the bigger / smaller back gear when they desynchronize when shifting.

    • @BiddieTube
      @BiddieTube Před 6 lety +1

      blise518B The design uses a computer controlled motor inside the drive tube that shifts it "Just Right and in time" so it does not clash and self destruct. Personally, I think that the system will be effected by dirt and other stuff that will interfere with the shifting resulting in smashed components.

  • @robertoterremoto6105
    @robertoterremoto6105 Před 6 lety

    Excelente!!!

  • @omkarbhabad126
    @omkarbhabad126 Před 4 lety

    please give the link of design calculations, dimensions and research paper of this mechanism

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 4 lety

      Sorry, I don't have them.
      As for the dimensions please use CAD files of this video.
      Links to download them are in the video description.

    • @omkarbhabad126
      @omkarbhabad126 Před 4 lety

      @@thang010146 any research paper?

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 4 lety

      No, I don't have.

  • @unguidedone
    @unguidedone Před 4 lety

    that was awesome

  • @thiagopolli8129
    @thiagopolli8129 Před 6 lety

    Which software you use? Great job!!

  • @akshaysharma-qi2sq
    @akshaysharma-qi2sq Před 5 lety

    What is the shape or profile of gear tooth

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 5 lety

      Cycloid.
      See:
      czcams.com/video/xFAdG6zUtD4/video.html

  • @kevCarrico
    @kevCarrico Před 6 lety

    wow... cool!

  • @ausaramun
    @ausaramun Před 5 lety

    Is there ever a bike that operates on gear trains?

  • @maanasmishra8399
    @maanasmishra8399 Před 6 lety

    Awesome

  • @mohsinrasool5230
    @mohsinrasool5230 Před 5 lety

    I need this assembly urgently plz send me. I am making project ob this.

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 5 lety

      Please read the video description.
      Links to dowload CAD files of the video are there.

    • @mohsinrasool5230
      @mohsinrasool5230 Před 5 lety

      @@thang010146 yes but its not moving

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 5 lety

      Learn how to make an object move in your software.

  • @lidiacanterogarcia6934
    @lidiacanterogarcia6934 Před 6 lety +1

    Amazing video! and thanks for uploading the files. I'm doing my enginerring dissertation based on this design but applied to aerospace engineering. Could yiu please private message me if you would like to know more? I would like to share the idea with you and see what you think about it:)

  • @MiguelGomez-wb9kn
    @MiguelGomez-wb9kn Před 3 měsíci

    Buenas tardes, me gustaría poder acceder u sus planos para intentar realizar ese proyecto a nivel personal, soy ciclista y me gusta la tecnología. Agradezco su colaboración.

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 3 měsíci

      Use CAD files of this video to get drawings.
      Their links are in the video description.

  • @OKFrax-ys2op
    @OKFrax-ys2op Před 3 lety

    Shifting them gears ⚙️

  • @icarusswitkes986
    @icarusswitkes986 Před 5 lety

    I think I saw that someone made something like this that you can buy now

  • @FernandoRodriguez-wj8fe

    Este sistema ya está patentado y en proceso de fabricación.

    • @elaleman784
      @elaleman784 Před 5 lety

      Jajaja, este sistema nunca va a funcionar. Has visto un prototipo con cambio de marchas funcionando ?

  • @RynaxAlien
    @RynaxAlien Před 2 lety

    Are there knockoffs or only CeramicSpeed makes such bicycles?

  • @illustriouschin
    @illustriouschin Před 6 lety +5

    That transmission is gonna get jammed so easy.

  • @mohsinrasool5230
    @mohsinrasool5230 Před 5 lety

    How u rotate this??? Plz tell me

  • @user-eh3rk7ci1l
    @user-eh3rk7ci1l Před 6 lety

    как с вами связаться?

  • @fabybluemar
    @fabybluemar Před 6 lety +1

    Parece ser más débil que el de cadena. Como que se partirán los dientes fácilmente.

  •  Před 5 lety

    🚴

  • @Loki861224
    @Loki861224 Před 6 lety +2

    Цепь ухватывает звезду сразу за десяток зубцов, соответственно и усилие между ними распределяется. В данной конструкции передача момента идет только через один зуб, следовательно основными "болезнями" будут выломанные ролики, их ускоренный износ и проскальзывание по зубцам вследствие деформации звезд.

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 6 lety +1

      Yes. You are right when showing disadvantages of this drive.

    • @user-mm5zo2lm3z
      @user-mm5zo2lm3z Před 2 lety

      А Европе такие велосипеды уже лет 10 на автоматической муниципальной оплате ! Ужаснее техн.позора вряд-ли ещё найти ! ...проскальзывают карданные передачи жутко ! Скрежет зубовный мощнейший и тд !

  • @Fixed_Sprint
    @Fixed_Sprint Před 6 lety

    Ain't This The Ceramic Speed Design?

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 6 lety

      Yes. Please read the video description.

  • @abdul-raufahmed6492
    @abdul-raufahmed6492 Před 6 lety

    Ammazing Sir.. could you put the inventor files; i'm new in this software so i wanna practice it as much as possible. thanks

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 6 lety +2

      Link to download the Inventor files of this video has been added to the video description recently.

    • @abdul-raufahmed6492
      @abdul-raufahmed6492 Před 6 lety

      thang010146 thanks Sir

  • @SamDru
    @SamDru Před 6 lety +10

    China replica will release next year

  • @khalidhashimi4393
    @khalidhashimi4393 Před 6 lety

    اخترای خوبی

  • @hamishfeast9124
    @hamishfeast9124 Před 6 lety

    I saw this an CZcams there is a real prototype

  • @DolezalPetr
    @DolezalPetr Před 6 lety

    Lmao

  • @utforligalmhult5788
    @utforligalmhult5788 Před 6 lety

    ceramicspeed, If is a good construction, Shimano buy the Patent rights .

  • @rosolinoaldodattila4817

    NESSUNO TI SPIEGA COME CAMBIARE RAPPORTO

  • @dantevinluan5345
    @dantevinluan5345 Před 3 lety

    1

  • @TechTomVideo
    @TechTomVideo Před 6 lety +5

    This thing makes no sense in real life.
    But nice idea though

    • @DavidJohansson
      @DavidJohansson Před 6 lety

      Why not? Did you watch the video in the description of the actual real bike?

    • @TechTomVideo
      @TechTomVideo Před 6 lety

      David Mattiasson - yes and it still makes no sense

    • @DavidJohansson
      @DavidJohansson Před 6 lety

      TechTom why?

    • @TechTomVideo
      @TechTomVideo Před 6 lety +2

      David Mattiasson all the force rests on one single tooth

    • @DavidJohansson
      @DavidJohansson Před 6 lety

      TechTom good point but with a chain all force rest on one single link (like the expression "weakest link"

  • @burcubingul4493
    @burcubingul4493 Před 4 lety

    This system is invented by Hasan Kum a Turkish inventor and nobody honors him.

    • @burcubingul4493
      @burcubingul4493 Před 4 lety

      Please see czcams.com/video/FDvoNXPIfJ0/video.html for the Inventor (Mucit in Turkish) Hasan Kum's video

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 4 lety

      Please see:
      czcams.com/video/W38bOovKApo/video.html

  • @impactodelsurenterprise2440

    Those roller joints are weak points tho.

  • @elaleman784
    @elaleman784 Před 5 lety

    The cardan Drive is already 100 years old, pops up again and again, without success. The change of gears will never work. Any prototype available with gear change ??? 😂😂 No!

  • @Ikkei-4444
    @Ikkei-4444 Před 6 lety

    When you steal content from CeramicSpeed

    • @thang010146
      @thang010146  Před 6 lety +2

      Please read the video description.
      This video is an advertisement for CeramicSpeed.