1 Shaper, 3 boards, 1 Wavepool: A Surfboard Design Experiment
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- 🌊 Surfboard Tail Design Experiment at Urbnsurf, Melbourne
Join me in this unique surfboard experiment where I test three different tail shapes at Urbnsurf in Melbourne! With my expertise in shaping, I've explored how tail design can transform your wave pool experience. Let's dive into the world of surfboard tail dynamics!
🔍 About This Video:
Ever wondered how different surfboard tails perform in a wave pool? In this video, I bring my shaping background to the test by designing and riding three distinct tail shapes:
Square Tail: Known for its speed and drive, ideal for managing the wave's shoulder.
Round Tail: Agile and quick, enabling tighter turns but requiring precise control.
Swallow Tail: Perfect for drawing longer, horizontal lines with stability.
Watch as I tackle the waves with each design, giving you a dual perspective as both a shaper and a coach. Discover which tail shape brings out the best in speed, power, and flow!
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🎬 Video Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction to the Surfboard Experiment
0:44 - Unveiling the Three New Board Designs
1:26 - Explaining Wave Dynamics
2:05 - Tackling Urban Surf's Unique Waves
2:57 - Testing the Square Tail Board
3:33 - The Round Tail Board in Action
4:15 - Experimenting with the Swallow Tail Board
5:03 - Experiment Goals and Setup
5:41 - Square Tail Riding Experience
7:09 - Analyzing the Round Tail Performance
8:42 - Adjusting to the Round Tail
10:04 - Swallow Tail's First Wave
11:33 - Swallow Tail Surfing Style and Analysis
13:01 - Revisiting and Comparing the Square Tail
14:34 - Tail Performance Comparison
15:13 - Final Thoughts on the Best Tail Shape
16:38 - Conclusion and Surfing Insights
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Great video! You also just explained why squash or rounded square tails are the most popular tail design for everyday waves
This makes so much sense Clayton!
I’ve been surfing swallow tail boards the last year with a variety of designs/volume and throughout ALL have noticed a considerable lack in turning ease with a longer drawn turning radius preventing me to turn tighter (& essentially easier).. having just gone back to a rounded square tail board I feel way more in control of my turns & my turning ability has improved. Love the value Clayton 🪬
This is a great demonstration. I have manydifferent boards, but the problem is that while one is a swallow tail and the other a round tail, they have different length, width, thickness etc so it's hard to draw any conclusions about them... too many confounding variables
Thanks for all the effort you put into this. Ive always used round pins....get stuck up at the top way too many times
Great vid! Thanks for all the effort shaping and glassing the boards and evaluating them!
Amazing insight with tail shapes!! I always wondered how the shapes influences the turns with swallow tails. The round tail is the most obvious one for me to understand but when compared to the other tails, it put it all together nicely 👌
Awesome vid, please keep them flowing! ❤️
This is awesome, give a some things to think about.
The reason I added a round tail to my quiver was so I could get in more critical areas on bigger waves and get more speed out of those barrels once I gain the confidence that is.
Probably my rounded squash tail would go well in a pool scenario.
Definitely
Best ever explanation of how tail shapes impact surfing, how to choose it and what to expect
Really cool video, thankyou. Clear to see there is a type of wave for each of those boards and the square tail performed best in the pool giving decent control with nice release when pushed.
Great vid Clay, really fascinating to watch.
Hi Clayton. My favourite for the pool and mediterranean waves is a pyzel gremlin custom roundtail, thinned and widened compared to stock dims (around 5'8 x20 5/8x 2 5/16) to generate more planing surface but still have the sensibility of thinner rails and the roundtail.. also, i use a thruster setup with large frontfins and a small centre fin which helps generating speed but lets it pivot flat more easily in those overly tight edgy pool middle and end sections..i really like the forgiving rocker of the ghost family, the gremlin although made for small waves can also handle late drops quite well..i am a bit frontfooted coming from snowboarding and riversurfing and don't use too much power in turns, so roundtails help compensating for that..
ah and great video, thanks for that
Wich means a round/square tail should suit you best
fantastic review, cheers!
Goin next level dudes 📈💪🏻
Great vid, love the analysis 👌🏽
Glad to hear it!
Very interesting thanks very much! I was just wondering if in addition you had any thoughts on optimal entry and exit rocker? Understand that low rocker isn't ideal, but where in the spectrum do you think is best?
Great video! Would fin choice make a bigger difference? Would be good to do the same test again running the square tail as a quad, round tail as a thruster and swallow as a twinny
Definitely would. I did various fins to compliment the shapes
loved it ❤
Thanks 😊
Great experiment. I can't disagree with any part. I have alway preferred square tails and you confirm everything I felt. But your experiment was much more conclusive than my lay opinion.👍🏻
Another awesome video. Thanks Clayton! It’d be interesting to see you ride the same board in different dims and see how that affects your surfing and what adjustments you’d have to make. For example for the same square tail, what if your stretched it to 5’3 or even 5’4. What kind of adjustments do you have to make? It would also help us in picking the right dimensions for a board.
fascinating
Love your video. I was wondering if you had considered a diamond tail for the pool?
Tail shapes are largely cosmetic unless youre surfing at a super high level the difference is hardly perceptable especially on that pool wave. However because the width of the tail is very different between the 3 boards along with the fin setup that will feel different. Most important design characteristic BY FAR is rocker. Rocker will make or break a board. Its also the most complicated in the way nose and tail rocker interact with volume, rail line, fin configuration, bottom contours and style/size of waves youre targeting.
All the boards were off the same rocker design file
@@claytonnienaber1795 amazing video, real world nitty gritty details! Thank you for your efforts!
Just curious which wave were you surfing there, advanced turns? Thanks great vid!
Yep 😊
Love this. Did you surf these boards in 3 different sessions (so say 12 waves each) or did you surf them in one or two sessions and swapping your board mid way through? Just wondering as you mention the transition to each different tail shape and then having to adjust to it. Wondering how many waves did your adjustment take each time. Also seems to me you need a rail round for the bottom turn, square for the top and then the swallow for the last turn .... maybe design a board that can magically change shapes on the wave ... that would be seriously cool.
One session and I had 3-4 waves on each
Clay adding the 5 nubster fin to the quad what does that change in the feel of the quad ?
Are you bringing back the knubster? The fin victim to the most egregious snobbery in surfing.
I would be interested in also understanding which fin setups you were using.
Fantastic info! I’m a wanna be surfboard builder and my focus is on wake surfboards. If you’re up for a challenge I’d love to hear your thoughts on some things
I’ve made a few. Twins with low wide tail rocker
I think you surfed better on the swallow tail, discounting the first bottom turn, it went smooth. For the round tail I think would have been better if you did the turn lower on the wall. The squash I feel like you got more stuck on the maneuver, not much line/rail after the bottoo turn.
This is great, thanks. You could of made a 4th board with a rounded square tail, that might of given you a happy medium between the square and the round tail and would of been interesting to of compared all 4 boards.
I’d would have to pay excess baggage on the flights 😂
yeah I was thinking the same, my older board has a rounded squash tail and I remember it being exactly that a medium / between of a squash and round tail.
I am too heavy for it now as I think when I had it shaped for me I was 65kgs…(one moment later / 20yrs 😂) not sure, the board was 28 litres.
Now I love my 34 litre boards.
I have wondered why a surfboard manufacturer did not start marketing a board as "perfect for the wave pool." Perhaps this is a starting point...
Ry Harris aka Eco by Ry in SoCal makes em!
What were the tail contours such as concaves and/or vees?
Vee with long double concaves
Surfed my round tail at my local crappy beachy when it was 2-3. I bottom turned up and cracked the lip hard and my board ended up inside the wave lol sounds like the wave pool is pretty similar
Been there made that mistake 😂
@claytonnienaber1795 ever use the sweet potato 2.0 from firewire? Was looking to get one for that break since I end up surf there every so often
interesting discussion. Now I understand why I love my fish!
Each person is unique and has different abilities and needs. It’s good you know what you like
@@claytonnienaber1795 an additional thought - what about fins? were you using the same fins / fin setup on each board? Fins also influence turns etc. e.g. keels = more drawn out
I really want to try a fish as the straighter line with added flow looks really fun
Hey clay do you think a more rounded square tail would have been the ultimate combination now in retrospect?
It would help turn more
Did you find the round tail have similar issue in ocean as well compared to square? Would love to see you now do the same analysis of these three tail shapes in ocean so we get an idea of how wave pool waves rly differ from ocean. I liked your surfing on the roundtail the most actually. I think it looked the best and also forces you to surf on rail rather than force a flat top turn. Maybe takes more conscious thinking to surf but once you get that dialed it looks the most smooth and true rail to rail surfing
Ocean is way more forgiving. I like the round tail in the ocean
Great idea but chapters don’t match, and conclusion is not so clear …
Great content guys - been following you on insta since day one!
Looks similar the lost puddle jumper
Similar but different haha 😅
@@claytonnienaber1795 I live near the Lib Tech factory in Washington, their version has the wing tail also
Btw you surf good, nice style too. U surf better than me for sure but that pool wave makes you surf terrible. Makes everybody surf terrible. Though i appreciate your quest for a good pool board as a niche for shapers as more pools come online. But wouldnt a standard groveler type board do the job?
Low rocker may send you out into the shoulder and out of the sweet spot
@@claytonnienaber1795 yes that makes sense, thank you!
So my 6ft Lost Puddle Jumper with MR2+1 fins should be perfect - if I was competent 🤣🤣🤣