@@UgoLordthe only way you could is if you A: Had specialized knowledge in smoothing concrete and shaping a driveway and B: Had the materials. Safe to say, thats not a reasonable assertion to make.
Just completely foolish. Now he doesn't get paid and has to redo the driveway or forced to pay someone else to do it. I have been an independent contractor for 5 years and have yet to have a disagreement with a customer that could not be resolved with good manners and compromise. These types keep lawyers working.
@@DABIGDAWG001 that's when you show the quote, with it itemized to show how you came to that number. If trash removal is not included in that itemized list, you are not responsible for it. If they still refuse, you go to court. Destroying the work done is dumb because likely you'll have to pay for that anyway after being sued.
@@thegreenrenegade7759getting refunded, maybe even shutting their business down… but they usually just go and open up a new LLC and start a new. There’s many different ways it could play out
@@zareien2290 Yeah, but having something in writing, even if that something is contested, will likely keep heads cooler. If nothing else, it would, in theory, protect both people. At which point the question becomes whether the "contractor" has the sense to not add damages they'd need to pay.
@tsnap4 signed documents that stipulate the work done for cost given are all that's needed. A napkin with scribbles is legally binding if it doesn't require a notary and you sign on the line.
And she could. The contractor should taken her to court and he could have gotten a contractor's lean on the property. Making it part his property until the debt was paid. But now he has to put the driveway back to it's original (or like) state before he could sue. US law, I don't know what country this is.
Customers are getting worse and worse. When they get worse, you see the contractors get worse. Everyone wants work for free nowadays, and when they don’t get it, they try not to pay anything at all.
This has always happened. Only now video cameras are so common that people are videoing everything. The contractor was angry and thought he was doing the right thing. He didn't realize that he was being photographed doing a criminal act.
@@rhettbaldwin8320 There are a few ski resort areas in Australia couple of them near Melbourne. But me I live in Southwest Colorado 20 minutes away from the purgatory resort and our snow in the winters can range from 3 to 9 feet depending on the year so that’s kind of where my mind goes when I was just being flippant
@@lordkreigs1978I'm in Tasmania (2nd closest point to Antarctica) even right now there's snow on the tips of the mountains and it's just Autumn. 7 months of the year we have snow, or freezing rain.
So looking further, it was "about the quality of the job and rubbish removal." And "claimed she would have paid the workers, but they 'refused to finish the job'" So, it sounds like the main issue is the job itself, not really about the garage pickup.
Big problem with construction workers and tradies in Australia, doing half assed jobs or dumping trash on the site they are working at then getting mad when they get a little push back about it
Its whats in the contract and thats it. In my experience in construction homeowners often want to deal with cleanup themselves to save money so it doesn’t surprise me at all that cleanup would be excluded from the contract. Also these guys are form concrete guys they arent a disposable company its unreasonable to expect that from them
It's doesn't matter what POV it is Cleaning up after yourself is automatically implied. What contractor of any kind, with a real company, does a job and not clean up after themselves.
@laurah674 and she did right by not paying this crooked as fool a dime more. he was tryna scam extra money. cause 100% of the time cleaning after yourself is automatically in the agreed amount. She shouldn't pay him not one dime until he clean up. Now he wanna act like this, ok, but now he gets nothing
I had a customer try to short me almost $5,000 just because it took an extra week to complete the job. We took on a full house renovation job during the winter time and almost every week we would get a nasty storm and had to go out plowing or materials could not make it safely to the site. We took them to court immediately and showed the judge the signed contract with the agreed amount and even all of the bills for the materials and everything was itemized to a tea. Even though it took us longer we had decided to be nice and cut them a break on the labor cost and never went over budget. The judge ordered the customer to pay the remaining amount and our court fees. And just for the record I am not one to just go in and destroy somebody else's property unless I have a documentation order from a judge that gives me permission to do so
@@chriskelso723 I partially agree with your statement, however, at the end of the day there's only so much that the employer can eat cost on without losing too much money. Labor was probably cheaper to cut (while still paying employees their agreed upon rate and hours worked), where materials would be more costly to make an attempt at cutting. At the end of it, it's easier to utilize less manpower for a job and "cut labor" versus using subpar material or cutting corners where it concerns the health and safety of the customer.
Also as an update, other contractors came in and fixed up the driveway for free. So it did have a happy ending. That’s what’s nice about Australia, if something goes wrong against you or even just something bad, like floods, happen, you have the community that will support and stand behind you, no matter where you are.
@@blugameplay that’s what’s wrong with Australia these days… we used to care about who is morally right, not who is right in the eyes of the law… homeowner steals from concreters, cries wolf, then gets everything fixed up for free by some other grub looking for publicity… where is the justice in that
@@qud3913 But they negotiated $6,000. It's not like he tried to additionally charge her for the rubbish removal. She only paid him $2,500 after agreeing to 6. Ugo Lord is wrong on this one.
@@pmbbmp she thought the 6k included the trash removal, if she really did think that then the contractor did not complete the job by just doing the driveway thus a dispute. they negotiated 6k but the dispute is what is being done for 6k.
But I guess more frustrated that she thinks the main hard part of the job wasn't even 50% of that 6,000. Like, is she estimating trash removal to be 3500? Idk, always tough with shorts to know whats going on
@@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211 It's not that she put a value on removal of rubbish. The terms of payment are done in stages in an attempt to incentivise the contractor to do a good job, and to protect the customer if they dont. The initial deposit is paid so the contractor can buy materials. The rest is withheld until the completion of the job. This gives the customer a chance to inspect the job is complete and to a reasonable standard, and if it isn't, the final payment is withheld until the problem is rectified. In this case, the customer didn't consider the job complete because the rubbish wasn't removed, so withheld the final payment.
Its done in stages so they can scam customers bro stop lying. Lol Imo you should decide on the price from the get go and you're not able to alter it, if you messed up that's on you to eat the cost.@@Son-Of-Gillean
@@Giliver What exactly is it that I lied about? That's how most construction related contracts work. Even multi-million dollar projects have phased payments. They didn't try to alter the price. They withheld final payment until the job was completed. Pay attention.
@@Giliver Its not much of a successful scam to buy thousands of dollars worth of materials, do the work, and then not get payed the other 70%. I agree that if the contractor messes up its on them.
What makes it funnier is that doing this doesn't get him any money or materials back. It actually wasted time he could have spent making money elsewhere. Best case scenario for him, he lost more money and got petty revenge. In reality, the job is now gonna cost him double, plus the time and wages he wasted ripping up the driveway.
Contractor took away the debris, crushed it to be used again and then sues the homeowners for time and labour and came out on top. The community rallied around the idiot homeowners and paid for their driveway to be finished. Everybody got what they wanted and the neighbours paid for it.
@@Cruddy129 Now, imagine you are a contractor. You bought the materials from your own money, you put in your working hours, the work is done. You present your bill to the customer, and the customer doesn't pay and laughs in your face. And the court system is either very slow or corrupt. You might be paid years from now pending on court decision, or you might never get paid. The law might be behind the customer, the law might say you can't destroy what you built, but as we are humans, it's perfectly understandable if you burn it all down.
@@urhunn7778 i want to add logic behind this law, as destroying things that are fixed to the property itself, could also damage a part of the house if the contractor is wreckless.
You wouldn’t be arrested, since this is not criminal court, but rather this would fall under Civil Court, where two parties can plead their case and a judge or in some cases a jury will decide who is the liable party here. If you were to be charged criminally though, it would likely be ‘destruction of property’.
If the work done is already attached to something, it cannot be returned back to its original form. Regardless if the homeowner is in the wrong or not for not paying, the contractors are still in the wrong for this.
@@jesusflores1916 Really doesn't matter. A contractor doesn't have a right to destroy their work once affixed to the home. It is then under ownership of the homeowner and affixed to the property. Contractor must go through litigation and attempt to recoup the money. They can even place a lien against the home, until the balance is paid in full. But they do not have the right to destroy their work, without the ability to restore it to its original state before the work was performed.
Trash removal is just the kind thing to do… clean up after yourself even if you’re the one doing the job. As a former construction worker, I would be embarrassed to leave a home with my trash.
I've seen contractor's liens (that must to be filed before work begins) on commercial jobs, but for residential, they're just taking their work back. FAFO. No one ever thought the clean-up was worth more than half the price. She played games and didn't realize that blue collar guys don't play that way (on any continent). My ex was a plumber, and if you tried to play games, he'd smash the urinals or pour rice down the vnets, with the legitmate argument that since you didn't pay, the stuff still was his to destroy. (And it's always some rich prick lawyer in Potomac that thinks they'll withhold payment...)
@@terencemcgeown2358 You're unable to read? There were several points in there, besides the fact that liens aren't usually part of residential work. Read the rest (or don't). F*cking trolls...
Well at this point they have to go to court as she's saying 6k for all and they say 6k and more for trash. She didn't say she wasn't going to pay and she paid 2k so in theory they destroyed her property
My father is a contractor, usually when there is garbage or debris that need a seperate charge to be removed as their quantity being excessive or need special handling, it is written in the offer we give to the customer that there is a charge for it which they can either pay or hire someone else to do the cleaning, if the offer says "after this job the worksite would be left clean and ready to use" it means there would be a garbage-debris disposal without any extra cost. In case the offer only mentions about the job and nothing about the garbage, for example if the customer has done a verbal agreement about who would handle it, it can cause a serious headache but still the dispute usually goes against the home owner for asking services not included in the invoice, because hey you can't ask for services you didn't pay for. That's why you should read and read again what you're agreeing to, becareful.
Yes, and I'd imagine it would be helpful for the builder to disclaim cleanup costs in a contract as well, because non builders don't typically know what it involves , and would expect a clean tidy driveway at the end
Contractors always try to get out of doing that little extra. I had tree removal guys leave behind a 4 foot log on my property that I asked them to take along with the other 40 foot tree. They refused because we hadn't discussed it as part of the deal. But I did say I wanted every branch and log of wood gone from the property before we agreed on the price. So I got them there!
Contractors like this should go to jail for fraud. Basically scam artists. Underquote to get the job, then either leave it unfinished or start tagging on extra costs that weren't included, then threaten propery damage to get more money.
I used to work at Lowes. A lot of contractors would shop there. And now, I can see why some came in with attitudes. Make sure you can fully pay your contractor before work gets done. They deserve better.
I would think the trash came from the contractors’ work and that they refuse to clean it up after they finished. So they homeowner didn’t want to pay the whole amount because they probably thought that the trash removal and clean up was apart of the job.
If you told me it would cost 6k to redo the entire driveway start to finish then my understanding is that that 6k was material, labor, and removal. The home Owner already made an initial payment to you and here you go destroying the work you already put in is destruction of private property. You could of done the reasonable thing and disputed it in small claims court and worked it out, but since you destroyed their property that they had already made a payment towards then your now looking as paying all the court fees, redoing the work that was destroyed for free, and paying a hefty settlement to the home owner.
There was another case where a contractor ripped out a bathroom and stated on social media how the client refused to pay. But turned out, client was out of town, returning the following day and wanted to see it before making final payment. Plus the video, had other contractors pointing out the shoddy workmanship of what had been done, i. e. tile misaligned. And the client wasn't refusing, just wanted to see the finished product and give final approval. Once the contractor had his money, it's doubtful he would have returned for any warranty work. But he expected her to approve the work sight unseen.
Contractors who destroy their work over dispute are unlicensed contractors that knew they won’t stand a chance in court so they take revenge from customers
Aussie here - justified imo - tradies get messed around usually by those that can afford it. No guarantee the people would show up let alone pay at court and he’d be out the expensive court and lawyer fees. This was the cheaper option and showed the neighbourhood what kind of people those homeowners were
this is why you make sure everything your paying for is itemized, written down and documented. that way theres no room for error like this. Will help both the Contractor and the client
I’ve worked on contracting jobs a number of times and every time cleaning up is an included aspect of any agreed-upon pricing. The only time that it would ever differ is, if you’re in as a subcontractor then maybe you don’t have to, but usually clean up is an included aspect.
Not to mention if the lady didn’t pay an agreed amount and it was resolved in the courts, she’s either pay it or they could just put a lien on the property
At the end of the day the homeowner only paid a small portion of the 6k if they truly thought they were right they would have paid the balance and dealt with the rubbish removal charge in court. But they refused to pay full stop
Not to mention it would be nearly impossible to put it back in its original form.
Well if it wasnt then it definitely is now
Definitely not possible! You’re absolutely absolutely right 😅
Courts will order him to redo it out of pocket. Then he will potentially lose his liscence.
Home owner just got a brand new driveway, that contractor is doubly losing now.
@@UgoLordthe only way you could is if you A: Had specialized knowledge in smoothing concrete and shaping a driveway and B: Had the materials.
Safe to say, thats not a reasonable assertion to make.
Just completely foolish. Now he doesn't get paid and has to redo the driveway or forced to pay someone else to do it.
I have been an independent contractor for 5 years and have yet to have a disagreement with a customer that could not be resolved with good manners and compromise.
These types keep lawyers working.
Well said!!!
Can you give an example? If I was a contractor and I quoted a price that the customer agreed to, I would be pretty annoyed if I had to renegotiate.
Why? He did it. He can remove it. Fuck the client
@@badmaniak that's not how it works though. This is not how you settle a dispute over payment.
@@DABIGDAWG001 that's when you show the quote, with it itemized to show how you came to that number. If trash removal is not included in that itemized list, you are not responsible for it. If they still refuse, you go to court. Destroying the work done is dumb because likely you'll have to pay for that anyway after being sued.
And they even got everything on video.
And then uploaded it! And then did an interview on the news about it!
@@UgoLordLets say the homeowner took them to court. What form of restitution would the homeowner be able to get if they won?
@@thegreenrenegade7759most likely a cash settlement of what was already paid plus the cost to hire a better contractor for the job
@@thegreenrenegade7759getting refunded, maybe even shutting their business down… but they usually just go and open up a new LLC and start a new. There’s many different ways it could play out
They would be liable for the work being fixed
That's why invoices are a thing..... No dispute then....
Just get a written quotation
Even then, depends how detailed the invoice is. But it definitely helps
@@zareien2290 Yeah, but having something in writing, even if that something is contested, will likely keep heads cooler.
If nothing else, it would, in theory, protect both people. At which point the question becomes whether the "contractor" has the sense to not add damages they'd need to pay.
Way too many invoices are one line “concrete driveway at 123 wonky street”
@tsnap4 signed documents that stipulate the work done for cost given are all that's needed. A napkin with scribbles is legally binding if it doesn't require a notary and you sign on the line.
Maybe he should have specified the TOTAL cost. I’d sue the contractor
I've never hired a contractor, but when I do, I think I'll ask for an itemized quote.
She didnt even pay half so has very little case youd think an honest lawyer would know this
And she could. The contractor should taken her to court and he could have gotten a contractor's lean on the property. Making it part his property until the debt was paid. But now he has to put the driveway back to it's original (or like) state before he could sue. US law, I don't know what country this is.
@@twiztedclown She didn't dispute the $6000 total, the contractor wanted more money than was agreed upon. She disputed that revised total.
@@rhettbaldwin8320it sounds like 6000 was for the driveway and they never said it included anything else
Can't help but notice more and more contractors are acting like 6 year old boys who never had to answer to anyone in their lives.
Well because they aren’t much more than that.
@@AndrewBarsky Been seeing a lot of certified contractors in this comment section, I hope they don't find your reply.
Because most of them don't have an education beyond that. They stop growing up and learning stuff the day they entered the job market.
Customers are getting worse and worse. When they get worse, you see the contractors get worse. Everyone wants work for free nowadays, and when they don’t get it, they try not to pay anything at all.
This has always happened. Only now video cameras are so common that people are videoing everything. The contractor was angry and thought he was doing the right thing. He didn't realize that he was being photographed doing a criminal act.
Recording yourself doing a crime 😂
Bro, those are traction points for snow and ice 😂
@@lordkreigs1978 A common thing in Australia is it?
@@rhettbaldwin8320
There are a few ski resort areas in Australia couple of them near Melbourne.
But me I live in Southwest Colorado 20 minutes away from the purgatory resort and our snow in the winters can range from 3 to 9 feet depending on the year so that’s kind of where my mind goes when I was just being flippant
@@rhettbaldwin8320Australia gets more snow each year than Switzerland. Get out of your bubble of ignorance.
@@lordkreigs1978I'm in Tasmania (2nd closest point to Antarctica) even right now there's snow on the tips of the mountains and it's just Autumn. 7 months of the year we have snow, or freezing rain.
So looking further, it was "about the quality of the job and rubbish removal." And "claimed she would have paid the workers, but they 'refused to finish the job'" So, it sounds like the main issue is the job itself, not really about the garage pickup.
Well after this the courts will make him fix it or restore the property to its original state, then he'll lose his liscence.
Big problem with construction workers and tradies in Australia, doing half assed jobs or dumping trash on the site they are working at then getting mad when they get a little push back about it
@@Kevin7557why would you want this unhinged guy working on the property again lmao. Hope the tradies just pay for it and someone else redoes it
Definitely see the homeowner's POV. When I negotiate for work, that number is for the entire job, not for part of the job.
it all depends on the terms of the contract and not the POV of either party.
Its whats in the contract and thats it.
In my experience in construction homeowners often want to deal with cleanup themselves to save money so it doesn’t surprise me at all that cleanup would be excluded from the contract. Also these guys are form concrete guys they arent a disposable company its unreasonable to expect that from them
But she still didn’t pay even half the amount agreed on..
It's doesn't matter what POV it is Cleaning up after yourself is automatically implied. What contractor of any kind, with a real company, does a job and not clean up after themselves.
@laurah674 and she did right by not paying this crooked as fool a dime more. he was tryna scam extra money. cause 100% of the time cleaning after yourself is automatically in the agreed amount. She shouldn't pay him not one dime until he clean up. Now he wanna act like this, ok, but now he gets nothing
I had a customer try to short me almost $5,000 just because it took an extra week to complete the job. We took on a full house renovation job during the winter time and almost every week we would get a nasty storm and had to go out plowing or materials could not make it safely to the site. We took them to court immediately and showed the judge the signed contract with the agreed amount and even all of the bills for the materials and everything was itemized to a tea. Even though it took us longer we had decided to be nice and cut them a break on the labor cost and never went over budget. The judge ordered the customer to pay the remaining amount and our court fees.
And just for the record I am not one to just go in and destroy somebody else's property unless I have a documentation order from a judge that gives me permission to do so
So you care about materials getting in safely but not your employees, subcontractors or other people?
@@chriskelso723 I partially agree with your statement, however, at the end of the day there's only so much that the employer can eat cost on without losing too much money. Labor was probably cheaper to cut (while still paying employees their agreed upon rate and hours worked), where materials would be more costly to make an attempt at cutting.
At the end of it, it's easier to utilize less manpower for a job and "cut labor" versus using subpar material or cutting corners where it concerns the health and safety of the customer.
Also as an update, other contractors came in and fixed up the driveway for free. So it did have a happy ending. That’s what’s nice about Australia, if something goes wrong against you or even just something bad, like floods, happen, you have the community that will support and stand behind you, no matter where you are.
Why should anyone help them when theyre so entitled they didnt want to pay in the first place?
@@mr.ashenfire2624yeah! That makes them more entitled
Where’s the happy ending? The homeowner is essentially stealing from the concreters… $2500 for a new driveway? They got away with murder. Grubs
@@eggshapedisraelioperative6317 by law the contractors did the wrong thing, that’s what matters
@@blugameplay that’s what’s wrong with Australia these days… we used to care about who is morally right, not who is right in the eyes of the law… homeowner steals from concreters, cries wolf, then gets everything fixed up for free by some other grub looking for publicity… where is the justice in that
Removing rubbish don't cost 4K
Might have been a whole house worth of trash lol
No, but the client understandably believed that removing the contractor's garbage was the duty of the contractor and therefore it is an incomplete job
@@qud3913 But they negotiated $6,000. It's not like he tried to additionally charge her for the rubbish removal. She only paid him $2,500 after agreeing to 6. Ugo Lord is wrong on this one.
It's not that it cost 4k it could be that she gave 2k up front but refused to pay the rest until the trash was removed this is why contract are made
@@pmbbmp she thought the 6k included the trash removal, if she really did think that then the contractor did not complete the job by just doing the driveway thus a dispute. they negotiated 6k but the dispute is what is being done for 6k.
Partially applying Australian law from what I’ve heard, its a legal requirement contractors remove their rubbish
It’s always been a clear charge on a quote when I’ve gotten any tradies to do work.
It makes complete sense to expect removal of rubbish.
At least the contractor showed the world why no one else should hire him.
But I guess more frustrated that she thinks the main hard part of the job wasn't even 50% of that 6,000. Like, is she estimating trash removal to be 3500?
Idk, always tough with shorts to know whats going on
@@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211
It's not that she put a value on removal of rubbish. The terms of payment are done in stages in an attempt to incentivise the contractor to do a good job, and to protect the customer if they dont.
The initial deposit is paid so the contractor can buy materials. The rest is withheld until the completion of the job. This gives the customer a chance to inspect the job is complete and to a reasonable standard, and if it isn't, the final payment is withheld until the problem is rectified.
In this case, the customer didn't consider the job complete because the rubbish wasn't removed, so withheld the final payment.
Its done in stages so they can scam customers bro stop lying. Lol
Imo you should decide on the price from the get go and you're not able to alter it, if you messed up that's on you to eat the cost.@@Son-Of-Gillean
@@Giliver
What exactly is it that I lied about? That's how most construction related contracts work. Even multi-million dollar projects have phased payments.
They didn't try to alter the price. They withheld final payment until the job was completed. Pay attention.
@@Giliver
Its not much of a successful scam to buy thousands of dollars worth of materials, do the work, and then not get payed the other 70%.
I agree that if the contractor messes up its on them.
As a contractor, your original bid ALWAYS includes trash removal lol
Contractor losing a whole lot more than $6K now 🤦🤦🤦🤦 that's like -$10K and time
Bro couldn't wait for court to resolve this dispute 💀
What makes it funnier is that doing this doesn't get him any money or materials back. It actually wasted time he could have spent making money elsewhere.
Best case scenario for him, he lost more money and got petty revenge.
In reality, the job is now gonna cost him double, plus the time and wages he wasted ripping up the driveway.
Contractor took away the debris, crushed it to be used again and then sues the homeowners for time and labour and came out on top. The community rallied around the idiot homeowners and paid for their driveway to be finished. Everybody got what they wanted and the neighbours paid for it.
Can you reasonably undo the contracted work and return the customer back to the prior state? Go ahead! If not...
Well said !
how cute...people listening to a CZcamsr and thinking they're lawyers. not cute, actually . tragic
@@pmbbmp it doesn't take a lawyer to know what a lien is and why it exists.
@@pmbbmpI mean,just because he’s a CZcamsr doesn’t mean he’s not a lawyer
@@pmbbmpDont destroy a driveway then
This is a repeating pattern: contractor destroys work he isn't paid for and is immediately liable. Different settings, same crimes.
Customers not paying the contractors for the work they've done is also a recurring pattern, unfortunately.
@@urhunn7778 Regardless, resorting to destroying property never solves anything
@@Cruddy129 Now, imagine you are a contractor. You bought the materials from your own money, you put in your working hours, the work is done. You present your bill to the customer, and the customer doesn't pay and laughs in your face. And the court system is either very slow or corrupt. You might be paid years from now pending on court decision, or you might never get paid. The law might be behind the customer, the law might say you can't destroy what you built, but as we are humans, it's perfectly understandable if you burn it all down.
@@urhunn7778 i want to add logic behind this law, as destroying things that are fixed to the property itself, could also damage a part of the house if the contractor is wreckless.
If there's a contract then just take them to court, they'll lose if they aren't holding up their end
Next time don't be stupid, make things clear in the contract and fight it in court
If it’s clear in the contract, there will be no fight in court.
Imagine getting arrested and you’re charged with “self help”.
You wouldn’t be arrested, since this is not criminal court, but rather this would fall under Civil Court, where two parties can plead their case and a judge or in some cases a jury will decide who is the liable party here. If you were to be charged criminally though, it would likely be ‘destruction of property’.
@@thomaskrupa2004 In the US you can most definitely get arrested and charged with destruction of property. The civil suit would be separate.
@@ChrisM-zp5cr that's what I said, You just wouldn't be charged with 'Self Help' but rather 'Destruction of Property'
@@thomaskrupa2004 My goofy ass phone cut off part of your message, I only got through the civil court part.
Don’t do work without a written contract that’s very specific. Don’t start work without receiving a deposit.
Very true. Also, make sure you can actually afford to pay the contractor.
If the work done is already attached to something, it cannot be returned back to its original form. Regardless if the homeowner is in the wrong or not for not paying, the contractors are still in the wrong for this.
It's not that it cost 4k it could be that she gave 2k up front but refused to pay the rest until the trash was removed this is why contract are made
Sound very much like she refused to pay the rest.
Who in their right mind would think the right thing to do is destroy the driveway.
Same as the contractor who installed bathroom tiles not lined up and homeowner says fix it and he goes Nope and breaks them with a hammer
Big difference they didn't get paid
A contractor that just got screwed out of about $5K. She thought it was cute to dick him, and he's just taking his work back...
@@jesusflores1916 Really doesn't matter. A contractor doesn't have a right to destroy their work once affixed to the home. It is then under ownership of the homeowner and affixed to the property. Contractor must go through litigation and attempt to recoup the money. They can even place a lien against the home, until the balance is paid in full. But they do not have the right to destroy their work, without the ability to restore it to its original state before the work was performed.
@@HR_Winei personally think if you don't pay, you get your shit broken, end of story.
It is the contractors job to ask for half pay first of any job that is more than $2000 that way the contract is stone solid and bullshit proof.
Trash removal is just the kind thing to do… clean up after yourself even if you’re the one doing the job. As a former construction worker, I would be embarrassed to leave a home with my trash.
Destroying the work AT ALL is criminal
the remedy is getting a contractor's lien
This is in Australia. Can you not hear the damn accent. Your laws n rules don't apply over here. Get a grip on reality.
I've seen contractor's liens (that must to be filed before work begins) on commercial jobs, but for residential, they're just taking their work back. FAFO.
No one ever thought the clean-up was worth more than half the price. She played games and didn't realize that blue collar guys don't play that way (on any continent).
My ex was a plumber, and if you tried to play games, he'd smash the urinals or pour rice down the vnets, with the legitmate argument that since you didn't pay, the stuff still was his to destroy. (And it's always some rich prick lawyer in Potomac that thinks they'll withhold payment...)
@@shoshanna8475 what's your point? This is Australia, we don't do liens.
@@terencemcgeown2358 You're unable to read? There were several points in there, besides the fact that liens aren't usually part of residential work. Read the rest (or don't). F*cking trolls...
@@terencemcgeown2358 You absolutely have liens in Australia.
If you doing my yard, i would expect trash removal to be included.
expectations are irrelevant. only the terms of the contract. are important.
Trash removal for more than half the agreed amount? Nah, she played games, and he's taking his work back. FAFO
Bro fumbled the bag just so he could be petty 😭
UGOLORD, THEY WERE REMOVING THE TRASH.
LOOKS FRESH?, AUZZIES.
Not sure why they never go with the contractors lien.
It just seems like a whole lot less of a headache than trying to tear all your work apart
Well at this point they have to go to court as she's saying 6k for all and they say 6k and more for trash. She didn't say she wasn't going to pay and she paid 2k so in theory they destroyed her property
@@JesterPsychoI mean, "she wouldn't budge on the final amount" certainly sounds like she says she isn't going to pay
Either these videos are fake because it gets clicks or they are just that stupid
I looked further, she didn't pay mainly because the quality of the job itself and they refused to finish
@@Muckowitch and that’s what the court is for. The court would FORCE her to pay that and more if he was in the right.
Of course with Rubbish Removal.
My father is a contractor, usually when there is garbage or debris that need a seperate charge to be removed as their quantity being excessive or need special handling, it is written in the offer we give to the customer that there is a charge for it which they can either pay or hire someone else to do the cleaning, if the offer says "after this job the worksite would be left clean and ready to use" it means there would be a garbage-debris disposal without any extra cost.
In case the offer only mentions about the job and nothing about the garbage, for example if the customer has done a verbal agreement about who would handle it, it can cause a serious headache but still the dispute usually goes against the home owner for asking services not included in the invoice, because hey you can't ask for services you didn't pay for.
That's why you should read and read again what you're agreeing to, becareful.
Yes, and I'd imagine it would be helpful for the builder to disclaim cleanup costs in a contract as well, because non builders don't typically know what it involves , and would expect a clean tidy driveway at the end
This has to be the stupidest way to get "justice" because you will obviously be taken to court.
Being specific on the written contract😮 avoids misunderstanding 😊
"OH, you want me to clean my trash up? That's extra!" 😂
Contractors always try to get out of doing that little extra. I had tree removal guys leave behind a 4 foot log on my property that I asked them to take along with the other 40 foot tree.
They refused because we hadn't discussed it as part of the deal.
But I did say I wanted every branch and log of wood gone from the property before we agreed on the price. So I got them there!
How could you feel justified in not paying someone what you own them.
This is pure stupidity: destroying the hard work you did AND not getting paid
No meeting of the minds, so contract doesn't exist. The contractor just caused damage which is vandalism and illegal.
You’re so smart and really honest that you should run for California governor
The trash is like $25-100 max. I understand they're mad, but like seriously over that little amount of money🤦♂️
Did you listen to the video? She only paid $2500. The job was $6000 total. Nowhere does it say it's an extra fee.
Why would you think as a contractor that you are not responsible for cleaning up after yourself? Literal common sense.
Phew, close one.
Would've lost my mind had that cigarette not been blurred!
That's a great way to have to show up to court with a broken kneecap. It's amazing how people can hurt themselves when they're damaging my property.😂
Lets record ourself not having a chance of our hard work getting paid.
Should have taken them to court
Now you ain't getting paid, and you got to fix for free.
Contractors like this should go to jail for fraud. Basically scam artists. Underquote to get the job, then either leave it unfinished or start tagging on extra costs that weren't included, then threaten propery damage to get more money.
I used to work at Lowes. A lot of contractors would shop there. And now, I can see why some came in with attitudes. Make sure you can fully pay your contractor before work gets done. They deserve better.
I would think the trash came from the contractors’ work and that they refuse to clean it up after they finished. So they homeowner didn’t want to pay the whole amount because they probably thought that the trash removal and clean up was apart of the job.
I looked into it, it was mainly because of the quality of the job and they refused to finish it. So, she didn't pay
What kinda garbage comes from pouring concrete anyway its not like it comes packed in boxes??
This happened in Australia. Not sure how our laws would deal with this damage.
Unfortunately I dought anyone will come along and fill it in under Aussie law
There are DIFFERENT RULES for DIFFERENT COUNTRIES… this is NOT in AMERICA
Typical homeowner, doesnt want to pay for work, good on the contractor
People should boycott his company.
They just recorded their own wrongdoing 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Taking matters into your own hands ain't gonna help u most of the times.
If you told me it would cost 6k to redo the entire driveway start to finish then my understanding is that that 6k was material, labor, and removal. The home Owner already made an initial payment to you and here you go destroying the work you already put in is destruction of private property.
You could of done the reasonable thing and disputed it in small claims court and worked it out, but since you destroyed their property that they had already made a payment towards then your now looking as paying all the court fees, redoing the work that was destroyed for free, and paying a hefty settlement to the home owner.
Why wouldn't the contractors be responsible for removing the trash that develops during the job?
had to give the 2500 right back with interest LOL
Let's video our crime and post it on the internet. Brilliant.
There was another case where a contractor ripped out a bathroom and stated on social media how the client refused to pay. But turned out, client was out of town, returning the following day and wanted to see it before making final payment. Plus the video, had other contractors pointing out the shoddy workmanship of what had been done, i. e. tile misaligned. And the client wasn't refusing, just wanted to see the finished product and give final approval. Once the contractor had his money, it's doubtful he would have returned for any warranty work. But he expected her to approve the work sight unseen.
Contractors who destroy their work over dispute are unlicensed contractors that knew they won’t stand a chance in court so they take revenge from customers
The Mason I use gives two guarantees on concrete.He guarantees it won’t catch fire, and guarantees no one will steal it.
I'm just gonna leave this chlorine trifluoride on the patio
Couldn't the contractor have his LLC take the liability and start another one to avoid paying for anything?
As someone who builds custom furniture its so nice to be able to keep your product until final payment
And now the contractor will pay for replacing the driveway on his own dime. Congratulations contractor. You played yourself.
wouldn't trash removal be a valid Assumption of the homeowner?
He's also liable for acting like a child.
6,000$? Go ahead and put me a new fence lol bro
What kind of company doesnt clean up after themselves. Makes them look so bad now
You will be in and out of court for the payment. Good decision 😂
Bro is the type to get paid to demolish a skyscraper and not clean up the debris 💀
Also, trash removal is obviously part of the job.
Aussie here - justified imo - tradies get messed around usually by those that can afford it. No guarantee the people would show up let alone pay at court and he’d be out the expensive court and lawyer fees. This was the cheaper option and showed the neighbourhood what kind of people those homeowners were
ILLEGAL to destroy the work. The contractor can SUE to be paid. That is ALL.
I would have expected the fee to cover everything, including rubbish removal.
6k for driveway AND trash is STILL a total ripoff.
People... Stop filming your own crimes 🤦♀️
this is why you make sure everything your paying for is itemized, written down and documented. that way theres no room for error like this. Will help both the Contractor and the client
I need an attorney to Sue Homeserve
I think New York is leaning towards allowing self help
no. it’s not.
God I love Ugo so much. Every video is so unbiased and informative!!
Whose trash? If it belongs to the contractor then they should be the one to clear it.
Why would ANYONE want their driveway replaced by NOT have the old driveway removed?! What a shitty contractor.
Serves the company right. The customer shouldn’t be so cheap 😏
There's not $4000 worth of rubbish after a concrete drive pour!
I’ve worked on contracting jobs a number of times and every time cleaning up is an included aspect of any agreed-upon pricing. The only time that it would ever differ is, if you’re in as a subcontractor then maybe you don’t have to, but usually clean up is an included aspect.
Who gives a price that doesn't include taking the trash after completed?
Not to mention if the lady didn’t pay an agreed amount and it was resolved in the courts, she’s either pay it or they could just put a lien on the property
How about you pay the agreed amount 🤷♂️
At the end of the day the homeowner only paid a small portion of the 6k if they truly thought they were right they would have paid the balance and dealt with the rubbish removal charge in court. But they refused to pay full stop
This spiteful behavior makes one think it more revenge for having extra work, like they knew they were not entitled to more pay.
After suing the contractor I’m calling IRS
Imagine thinking you will make a cute tiktok to show people what happens when you don't pay. Just to go to court and then you have to pay😂😂😂😂😂
The only people doing this probably don't have a license. Because a real contractor can place a lean on property. Easily taken care of.
Always get an invoice for all the work and cost of that work
They’re gonna redo that driveway twice now 😂