Going Head to Head With Traffic Officer PC Freeman (spoiler alert, I won)
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The statements, letters and other details are on my website: symnz.com
I was pulled over on the 24th July 2015. Over a year later, I eventually, after the police deleting the video and 4 adjournments we got to trial.
PC Freeman lied and was shown to have lied in his statement and evidence in court.
As a result, the case was thrown out, after a submission of 'No Case to Answer' at half time.
PC Freeman was late to court, didn't tell the truth and acted like a cunt. The typical standards to be a Traffic Officer. I wonder how many other cases have been affected him burying the evidence.
See full details, statements, letters, etc here:
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I will submit this to the IPCC and Professional Standards, to see what he makes of this. Police policing the Police...so, as always, nothing.
I was represented by Mr Darius of Joseph Darius in Southampton.
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"60mph in the outside lane is careless and inconsiderate" Love it
Shame he didn't appreciate the comment.
Not to mention he should of vacated the lane as he wasn't overtaking much half of the time
Oldest trick in the book when he tries to get you to incriminate yourself with his "I'd like you to point out to me what you think you have done wrong" - well done for not falling for it!
I was so close to falling for it. Luckily I didn't! I can see how people do fall for it, and then their in car video (if they have one, or don't 'misplace' it) will have them admitting guilt.
"I'd like you to point out to me what you think you have done wrong" If its that ambiguous It them gives the impression they police are indulging their own agenda and prejudices. Can you imagine asking an axe murderer or bank robber "I'd like you to point out to me what you think you have done wrong?" The police now are operating on the premise because it is to difficult (or not interested) to catch real criminals they now are criminalising people they want to or can catch. Remember that motoring offences are classed as solved crimes so gets their terribly low clear up stats up. I'd rather now live without the police (thy are a waste of tax payers money) and take my chances with the criminals, at this point in time we suffer from real crime and suffer from the people supposed to be protecting us from crime its a lose/lose. FFS we are now being prosecuted for thought crimes now.
Sean McKeown... You mustn't think that
@King Brilliant If I am ever asked that, I will tell the policeman that if he does not know, I'm not going to tell him. Alternatively, I can ask him how long he has had the memory problem for.
The other one is do you know why i pulled you over today? I am done talking to pigs and being nice even if i am fucking guilty. I was lied to here in the UK as well. Turns out some Bullshit community thing i signed that "supposedly" closes the debate paints me as the aggressor even though i was the one who was pulled off of my bicycle. Lived in the US for 20 years so was not familiar with it. They lied to me. Now they get to deal with a non-cooperative witness from now on.
This is why dash-cams are becoming essential.
Absolutely. The police cannot and should not be trusted.
Those caught lying on the stand under oath should immediately be charged with perjury and perverting the course of justice police officer or not.
He was able (as a police officers privilege ) to hide behind "it was a long time ago"
But despite him being able to claim that he remembered it well, professional standards believed that he was just mistaken/forgot.
He had it written down what happened, he saw my video before the trial, he did this for self-gain. It's no secret that they get a bonus for convictions.
It's utter rubbish that he was fully protected because he wears a uniform.
U Are Absolutely Correct!!
Full disclosure: I'm a police officer.
I know this is an old vid but I have to say I am with you 100%. Good job you filmed the encounter. Some officers are outright liars and others just can't admit they have made a mistake and can't handle being corrected. What a waste of time for you and the taxpayer, I'm sorry you had to go through this.
Please be assured that not all police are like this, however when they are it affects the public's confidence in all of us.
All the best, and always keep your camera phone handy!
Full disclosure, that's a first. ;-)
But in all seriousness, you are correct. It does make people lose confidence in the police and it wasn't really intended for that, but rather to show that this particular officer is a pile of trash.
There are more like him, and there are those that are there for the correct reasons...(and then there are those that are there for just taking selfies, it seems lol.)
It was an absolute waste of tax payers money. What annoyed me more was when PSD and the IPCC said he simply made 'mistakes' and nothing he did was intentional (losing/deleting the video, completely wrong statement, evidence in court being contradicted by the video also and that he was LATE for court).
I am of the belief that the beat bobbies are better officers than any in the traffic unit. That seems to be the opinion also of current/ex pc's. They generally say the white hat gives them small man syndrome. I'd search for the comments but there are over 4k comments now lol
There's nothing a cop hates more than a citizen who cannot be pushed around and intimidated. Nice job standing up for yourself. Cheers from Texas!
Thanks buddy. I hear they hate it even more over there!
Well said. czcams.com/video/RX37dE43cIs/video.html
Hi Jesse, well I’ve just got a file reopened after 27 years of them lying about child abuse against myself now I’ve just Gotta wait for the so-called investigation to happen. Hopefully the Bent Copper will be put behind bars. Remember this country we’ve Gotta think of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of artistic so if they would try and do you for one thing, one ever mention them to the so-called officers, because if you turn into a performance streettheatre, they cannot do nothing about it because it is an art exhibition and art installation if they can play the bullshit game so can we
You and your defence lawyer actually roasted him! Well done!
Roasted was putting it lightly.
Good work. I really embarrassed the Chief Constable. czcams.com/video/RX37dE43cIs/video.html
This is why people detest the Police. The attitude is appalling.
OF course, and it's not going to change.
Police lying noooo 😂😂😂
PIGS
The only inconsiderate driver, was the bastard doing 60 in lane 3.
He slowed to 46mph at one point too.
I would ask the question of why isn't the officer being prosecuted for inconsiderate driving and lane hogging, based on this footage? Driving at 46mph in the outside lane of a motorway is incredibly dangerous.
It’s a set up just to get tickets
All Cops Are Bastards. All illegitimate. No need for the lying idiots any more.
With you on that
Why so many thumbs down? He was right - caught the PC out and he didn't like it.
Police cucks.
Extremely well handled from initial stop to final court ruling. Well done.✊
Keeping up with the flow of traffic hogging the outside lane going 50mph I think the copper needs remedial driving lessons and three points on his license
never get into a cop car unless you are arrested
bigcatmueller damn right mobile prison
If I hadn't, it is likely that I would have been found guilty with the police destroying evidence.
What the fuck is going on here!?
ChiefShittingBull Ive had it done lol
Or you need a shit on the back seat
"Don't lie to me, don't you DARE lie to me!" - pissed myself laughing when you said that to PC Plod
PG Tips seem it tickled quite a few people
PG Tips
Me too mate 😂😂👍
I liked that part too! Haha. I thought good on you.
@@LeonSymnz Did you get costs and compensation ?.
I like how the copper says i was doing 61 when you undertook me if hes doing 61 mph why is he sat in the right hand lane for overtaking when hes not even traveling the speed limit and dosent look like he overtook much
He actually had a queue behind him iirc. I was only ever in lane 1 or 2 and I was still catching him.
@@LeonSymnz its a joke they abuse there power somethimg cronic if that was you in right hand lane traveling slow he would have had you for that there so stupid !
It was a lose lose situation
James Houghton They do this for entrapment
It's what they do. They're all sneaky cunts. Notice the officer say 'no, I was holding the speed limit'. He's full of shit.
Nicely done, sir! I'm a visitor from "across the pond" and it was very interesting hearing you call out the cop on his BS! Yep, I enjoyed that very much. 😎
Here they have to lie and try to incriminate and build a bs case. Over there, don't they just take the cops word?
Yes, pretty much. Cops are considered "trained observers" and so their testimony is held above us commoners, many times.
“I was going 60 in the fast lane, why weren’t you going 60?” Officer admits to blocking the fast lane and impeding traffic, forcing cars to either slow down or undertake. They’re fishing for fines instead of dealing with real traffic offences
Or any real offences for that matter. MY solicitor picked up on this during hearing and made him look a fool.
FFS it's not the "fast lane ",it's the over-taking lane!
There is no ‘fast lane’
There is no fast lane that's why everybody use it and drive next to each other like idiots. That's how it is done in UK. 😒
Jake his fuking bastard
"I'd like for you to point out to me what you think you've done wrong." aka "please self-incriminate yourself, citizen".
Not today, Satan.
Exactly what he wanted and exactly what he didn't get.
Brilliant
He was doing 60 in the outside lane. He had every right to undertake. It was perfectly safe to do so
I refused to talk to police. czcams.com/video/RX37dE43cIs/video.html
Hogging the outside lane at 61 mph thought that was a road traffic offence so the copper should have been fined
The police look after their own!
Glad you won
He was driving at 60mph in the outside lane causing people to undertake. The copper is being stupid, you were not speeding, or driving dangerously. Undertaking is not ideal, but lane hogging is just as bad.
lane hogging is worse, it's dangerous.
He drove at that speed to instigate the outcome... ticket time...
Unfortunately for him, he lost.
Good for you! Made my day watching this! The copper thought he could scare you off with the threat of court but in the end it was him who got shown up in the box!
It pleased me very much to see him sweat!
ya hoo made mine too
Watch a video from here in the states “man wears a fuck the police shirt to court”..... guy owns a group of piggies wearing the shirt..... it’s a freaking classic
A very stroppy copper
Shame the law iz so camerashy!!!
I stilllspeed
Iz 30 in 50 ok
Not thati take the pi:-$ :-$
That cop was a total twat
I thought this was another cop baiting vid but this was actually quite interesting. Good for you for sticking up for yourself bud.
Cheers mate. Yes, a lot of people think that. Fortunately, enough stick with it long enough to see it's not.
It is hard to do a good video. But this one is very informative. See mine. czcams.com/video/RX37dE43cIs/video.html
I love traffic cops " I'd like you to tell me what you think you did wrong" nope - you tell me what you think i did wrong and then you prove I did it.
Exactly this!
When I explained what happened (not what I think I did wrong) he wouldn't accept it, despite admitting that he didn't see what happened.
@BIG BLERK The only reason not to talk to them is if you've committed a crime and know you'll further incriminate yourself. Taking the attitude of not talking to cops makes you look like a tit.
@@Unethical.Dodgson there's a whole video somewhere on here of a police detective at law school giving a lecture on why not remaining silent is never helpful to you.
Ask to see his fishing permit next time.
@@Unethical.Dodgson you seem very naive, police frequently lie in the real world unfortunately, they are far from reliable pillars of the community.
That officer is the sort of person that gives other police officers a bad name
He's a disgrace and he knew it.
Deserves to be obscured.
WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS ????????????
DAMN in the US cops dont politely invite you to their car to ask you what you think you did wrong and then have a nice conversation.
This is unreal
Us brits, we are a bunch of softies.
Leon Symnz
These cops are polite and trust the public.
This seems like a joke or a Monty Python skit. Cops dont do this in the US they tell you what they think you did wrong and dont listen to or believe anything you tell them.
The police are far from polite.
Leon Symnz
these cops in this video are more polite than any ive seen . they dont do this in the US
Cops? There is only one.
We Brits are generally more polite than you lot anyway. ;-)
he isn't a real officer he is a corrupt liar on a power trip because he is a nobody at home so doesn't understand how to behave professionally when in a position of authority he should be fired he is an embarrassment to the force who wasn't man enough to accept he made a mistake about the incident on the day you could hear it in his feeble voice
It's a particular sort of person that becomes a cop...
He IS a real officer, 100 percent follows the mold. This is the rule not the exception.
rumbleYoungman rumble there are many officers out there with integrity......this is not one of them lol
@@mirandasworld Wrong
rumbleYoungman rumble lolol
Officer : I was doing 61 in the middle lane, why did you overtake me?
Motorist : because the speed limit is 70.
Me: fuc*ing Priceless comment 👍
Aye. Messed up his day for sure!
The Policeman was doing 60mph in lane 3??? WTF is he even doing on the road...
At 1:12, he slows to 46mph...in the outside lane.
Yet he claim's that I'm the one in the wrong... lol
46mph?!! lol, Thats outrageous. I'm not suggesting that you deliberately undertook him and pulled in front of him to make a point - but what I am saying is that it's perhaps what I would have done to anyone doing that speed with no good reason in lane 3.
I salute you ,sir ;)
irSpanxx I didn't even notice I had passed him until I pulled into lane 3. I didn't understand how he was now behind me! I saw it on his video but thought I'd save that for a better moment. Unfortunately, it was never bought up in court as I wasn't required to give evidence. :(
Madness. Good on you for not giving in to the fear. I lol'd when you said "Don't lie to me, DONT you DARE lie to me". I even repeated back - out loud - to myself as I was laughing. Nice one. I've added your vid to my fav's.
On a sidenote, I got pulled and accused of being a naughty boy while I was driving on the M6. Told the officer I'd go to court. Even phoned up the ticket office to ask them to put it on written record that my intention was to challenge the claim, in court. Months went by and I heard nothing. I chased them up about it in the end. Turns out the policeman had decided not to proceed with the case LOL. I was actually a little bit dissapointed.
I'll never back down to a bully. :) PC Freeman is no exception to that.
He got pretty upset when I put him in his place, as you can hear in his voice when it goes high pitched.
Ah, well, with the rate that people are found guilty of silly offences like this (because courts believe officers a lot of the time) you may have been lucky. What were you accused of? Despite it being true or not, they have to prove it, and as in this case (and I'm sure, many others too), they will bend the truth to get this conviction (he bent it so far in this case, it's now a fucking roundabout!)
The officer should be fired
Indeed, but they ended up protecting him.
"I'll let you out" and that's what you don't get out of your car and go into there car...
100%.
The only time i got in one i sat in the front seat.. Never sit in the back
This might give you a smile Leon. Summer 2016, I drove from my home in north east Essex, all the way down to Weymouth (via the M3, as it happens) with a heavy kayak (PA 14, 140lbs in weight) upon my roof rack. The manufacturers weight limit for the rack is 150lbs and the manufacturers max recommended speed for driving with the roof rack loaded is 50MPH. A young (to me) copper pulled me over for driving at 50MPH on the M3, for what he called "way too long after the 50MPH speed limit that I had just left. He was insistent that I speed up to aid with keeping the traffic moving. I pointed out the details about the roof rack, the financial value alone of the kayak and what might happen to other road users if it tore the roof rack off my car whilst at speed. Not good enough. He had decided that I was obviously being an awkward fat old bastard - I'm not denying that at all - because in his view, I was deliberately causing issues on the road and slowing up traffic. When I asked him what issues, it turns out he was about 10 cars behind a lorry which had just overtaken me and he was only able to drive at a max of 56MPH. He then said that he wanted me to promise to drive at a speed not less than 65MPH where I was legally allowed to drive at 70MPH. I said I'd happily do that with an unloaded car, but NOT as things stood. He too asked me to produce my documents. I was able to give him my driving license, but not the other docs he wanted to see. I then told him that I am just the registered keeper of the car and not the owner, because I lease the car from Motability. In that lease payment in each month is the insurance, maintenance and whatever else the car may need. At that point, he began to carry on as though I had stolen the car. I pointed out that just by running the veh reg, he could track the owner, registered keeper and the state of the car for it being properly insured etc. He even tried to deny this! All in all, he kept me there for nigh on an hour. He got out of my car - I had told him that because I am disabled, I was in no way willing to get out of my car for him to speak to me, but he was welcome to get in mine to ensure I didn't drive off or anything of the like - he said he was getting out of the car to discuss things "privately with the station", where he would seek further advice as he had never heard of any company called Motability and he believed I was driving the car illegally. So he got out with my keys in hand and wandered around, talking to his shoulder. After a few minuts, he walked back to the drivers side, tossed my keys into the car and went back to his own vehicle where he just drove off without a word to me. Confused? You bet I was. So I wasted some money on my mobile phone calling 101 and explained the situation to them, what had transpired and how the bloke had just thrown my keys in via the drivers window and walked off to his car before driving away without a word. The police on the phone were confused but did confirm that the reg of the car he drove was indeed a real police car and not some scammer dressed up as a copper. They also made a note of my call, gave me a reference number to quote in the event that I get pulled over later for something similar or for driving away from the scene without "permission" to leave. They advised I wait ten minutes and if he didn't come back, then just to carry on with my journey and (most important of all) to stick to the manufacturers recommendations wih regards to load limits and max speeds for driving.
Would it of hurt the pricks ego that badly to come and apologise or just to say "on your way" or whatever? If ever I wished I had something on video, this day was it!
Jesus christ, what a story. Why didn't you sue him?
Sounds like that little shit realised he was way over his head and just took the coward’s way out of an untenable situation he had created without even attempting to use the 3 brain cells he has. How to twats like him ever get into the police force we will never understand.
He was obviously off in lala land and you scared him when you changed lanes in front of him. He wasn't paying attention and took it out on you. Typical.
He was only doing 46 bless him
@@user-ec3gj1lw9z could say the same of "professional" bus drivers who align their stop times not by pulling over and waiting, but by driving at 15 in 30 zones.
Typical !! My brother was on his motorbike and a copper in a car travelling in the opposite direction , with two wheels over the white line , on a blind bend , had to swerve to avoid him . They followed my brother and did him for dangerous driving . Fuckin' tossers !!
I thought he was in the wrong by driving so slowly in the outside lane
Indeed, yet I was unable to point that out in court as it was thrown out, before I had the chance to give evidence.
+Leon Symnz that's grand haha
I had a similar experience when police raided my home and gave me a little bit of face massage with my concrete floor and months later when I went to court I subpoenaed the photos they took at the police station after my arrest and they used this same excuse that they couldn't locate it. They didn't want the pics of me all bloody and blue seen by the judge.
Lost in transit again... what a fucking surprise!
That’s why you always refuse treatment and insist they take you to hospital. Get the nurse to take a picture of all your injustices.
If they refuse at least you requested it. When they release you take pictures immediately.
I don't think he actually expected you to go to court and see the process through. Constant adjournments are a tactic they take to wear you down and cost you time and money. They are hoping you will decide it's just cheaper to pay the fine than your lawyer. They get really pissed at the rare people who stay the course.
Of course, he thought I was bluffing.
Unfortunately for him, I had him by the balls!
You, sir, are a hero. Remember though, not all police are like this, only about 90%.
only... lol!
I'd say 99.9%
case of the many spoiling it for the few
Lmao, great and probably true comment!
Steve In England 😂
“Don’t you dare lie to me” ha ha 👍
@@LeonSymnz absolute legend mate, well done.
They are good liars. czcams.com/video/RX37dE43cIs/video.html
Just wondering why you went to his car. It's known as an intimidation tactic.
I smelt a rat. So I was recording.
Of course, there isn't. Had I stayed in my car, I wouldn't have had the video. If I didn't have the video, I would have been found guilty.
Well done mate ! You showed the fool up ! Great when you get them on their own slip ups . Sound's like you'd a good solicitor . They're hand in glove with the cops here in Ireland .
Yeah the solicitor was spot on!
Glad to see you cleared yourself. It's a shame it takes so much time and effort to clear yourself, when making an allegation only takes them minutes.
Guilty until proven innocent is the new normal for minor offences.
It's the norm for everything these days it seems.
Trial by social media in most cases.
I was pulled over last year, and had absolutely no idea why I was being stopped. In the back of their car, one of the two officers tried to assert that I was driving uninsured... er, yes I am insured mr officer, with the same insurance company I've been with for the past 12 years and have never missed a payment. Could tell that they didn't believe me, so they radio through and low and behold get the answer they didn't want - of course I was insured. So they try to get me on something else - my V5, for the car which I had only purchased a couple of months beforehand had a spelling mistake and this might be an offence. When I pointed out to them that I was hardly going to misspell my own name when giving the DVLA my details and that clearly the mistake had been by the DVLA (again!) and not me, I could almost see them start to combust in a puff of logic and fury. But the best bit? When taking my details and asking my occupation and I replied to them 'University Lecturer' and they asked 'what do you teach?', and so I truthfully told them 'Law. Specifically criminal law'... Needless to say the conversation concluded quickly and I returned to my car and drove away.
LOL! That happy ending!
V5 errors, intentional or not, are not illegal (I may be wrong)
Unless you experience this first hand, you don't appreciate how malicious the police can be.
It's almost like they have a checklist for quota's! lol
The officer should be disciplined for his actions at the very least.
Oh yes. Perhaps reduced duties for his 'failing memory'
ash smitty oh I forgot the police police themselves now that funny
robert harper They sure do.
@@ashsmitty2244 Of course the police look after themselves. It has happened for many, many years.
Leon Symnz I agree.
Well done mate. This is how to deal with coppers.
Keep the facts clear, don't make any admissions, don't let them push you into submission, despite their threads of court etc. Stay strong, they'll get the message.
THANKS FOR THIS. I will also start videoing. Once a policeman thought I had committed a crime of violence (I had not) and he lied about me hitting him!!! Ever since then I have had a serious distrust of 'coproaches' - the dishonest cops whose numbers are getting out of hand. The system is getting seriously corrupt. But how do you know your laws so well? It'd be nice if there was a 'Protect Yourself from the Police' on-line course out there... I'd sure as hell pay for going on one.
'coproaches' lmao. I like that.
www.gov.uk/guidance/police-and-criminal-evidence-act-1984-pace-codes-of-practice#pace-codes-of-practice
PACE codes are worth a read. C is most relevant to arrests etc.
As for how, I've had a few brushes with the law and not being entitled to Legal Aid, I had to represent myself once (I won one charge, lost the other and won on appeal with a lawyer).
I have a bad taste in my mouth for Police and the CPS as a result of these encounters.
Leon, this officer is a proven liar. He needs to be struck off, he could do this again but with something a whole lot serious. Report him to the I.P.C.C and the Corruption side of whatever force he works for. Officers are not supposed to lie, they are supposed to be honest. That is their oath
Agreed! Currently, it is with Professional Standards. They wrote back to me today and the report may take up to 4 weeks to finalise with his bosses. Delay tactics much!
MC52 Exactly...most of the bloody ipcc are retired police chums...waste of space.
A first-class video explaining why we all must be extremely vigilant when dealing with police officers. A total waste of everybody's time, yours in particular. Pleasing to hear that PC Freeman missed his motorcycle course.
I do hope you were awarded your costs, you deserve them. Thanks for posting.
Why was a trained police driver driving at 50-60 mph in the fast lane, hes clearly driving with due care and attention as he is slower than the flow of traffic as highlighted by other cards overtaking him the middle lanes
He should be charged with inconsiderate driving for holding up the ‘overtaking’ lane. And then sacked!
Black n Tan indeed...but the police protect their own.
Yup... you could take it to the IPCC LOLZ... independent my arse! Corrupt bastards! Like the other IPCC, Intergovernmental panel for C(lie)mate change... ❄️
Black n Tan well, I did alr3ady and they sent almost the exact reply as PSD did...that he just made a lot of mistake and he will learn from them...
Yeah, learn how to construct his lies better.
Exactly 👍 If at first you don’t succeed...... 🐶
Hopefully he won't actually be successful at framing people.
60 in the outside lane the coppers a Sunday driver, should be 70 in outside, or 90 if u have a porshe
And to think, it was a Monday!
TLeon Symnz shocking, hope he gets some trouble for wasting police time
I hope he does! Wasting court time, wasting taxpayers funds.
dan fisher yeah my 2.1 would go faster than 90 in fact it goes about 125+, it was an example., but u commented on a comment rather than video in question.
My second time of watching this, first time must have been a year or so ago. Just as before it makes my blood boil that the police officer acted in the way he did. I hope he sees this video and is ashamed of himself. Kudos to you Leon. I hope I have the balls to stand up for myself like you, well done mate you're a legend.
Just make sure you have your phone on record in case it goes south...
I'm sure he did... I kept tweeting him. He has since deleted his twitter account, I wonder why!
I’m back again after another year, still fills me with rage but pleasure to see you the victor 👏
This popped in my timeline again 🤣
Went back to cry in his pillow? He's a cop? Been bullied at school! Most likely a wife beater and slapped her about
Going for the easy target in all parts of his life lol
well done for taking the matter to court and challenging them and practicing your rights. A similar situation happened to myself and I had to go to court had it not been for my recording of the situation with the police officer lying through his teeth I would have lost the case. I had given his supervisor a copy of my recording and they clearly knew that the police officer was in wrong but instead, their response to me from his supervisor was this " my officer thinks that you need telling off so if you want to challenge him then go to court" so I did. he did not come to court 4 times and 5th time after the judge Heard my evidence and watched my recording told the police officer that he was wasting the taxpayers money and I did not need telling off and he should be ashamed of his behaviour.she then carried on and said to me: you are free to go Sir. The more people stand up for their rights against some corrupt power hungry individuals like that officer the better the society will become in future.
mmoris1360 people underestimate the need to record interactions with the police.
I don't mean the 'in your face ' sort but covert style. It helped me, you and several others on here
all i saw was the traffic officer hogging the fast lane causing problems around him.
That's pretty much what happened.
Have his colleagues started harassing you yet?
Fortunately, I have a new car. Also, I haven't seen a traffic car in a loooong time.
No way are they going to start harassing him. If was ever proven Leon would have a cast iron case against the police. He's less likely to be harassed now than he was before this debacle.
He reduced his speed on a 70mph motorway to under 50 and wonders why he was undertaken. Fantastic policing.
Well done Leon standing up for yourself sir.. You were in the right..
Thanks mate. :)
You've hung the copper out to dry.... Good on ya m8......obviously he was not popular as a child
Robert Walsh Man, he was bitter about me correcting him!
None of them were popular kids. They're all former bully victims. Which is why they act tough, act like they're in control and act like they care. They don't care, their control is all shaky training and no actual skill and they don't give a shit about anyone, even law abiding citizens like this guy. Getting all personal instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt. Typical
Not Happy Not Lucky And I Don't Go Oh & how do you know that then? You’re stereotyping a group of people you nothing about.I knew someone who became a copper & was very popular at school. A lad who was part of the ‘in-crowd’ in my year
group.The police service don’t welcome loner types or bully’s thesedays & those types end up leaving, getting promoted or transferring away? If most of the station doesn’t talk to one copper, the effects are felt harshly by that copper-so much so he or she hates work.In the old days it used to be that the honest ones were shunned because they too honest. What attracts
People to join the police is a secure pension at the end of it. That means any person, would join for that reason & some just do this job because it’s a job. If you read Neil Woods book Good Cop, Bad Cop, the Midlands Drugs Squads detectives, behaved like macho football hooligans & liked football, etc. Not the environment for a bullied kid, eh?
@@LeonSymnz i'm just wondering if that corrupt cop has seen this video?!!😂😂😂Well done for standing your ground knowing full well you were in the right.Would have loved to have seen his face when "NO CASE TO ANSWER" was read out by the judge...😂😂😂😂Used to have respect for the police in the uk but most of them are just corrupt lying bastards...👍👍
I’ve just seen the video and I raise my glass to you Leon. I new you could be a police officer even if your a corrupt lying bastard. But i was not aware if you were suffering from Alzheimer’s you could still qualify. All this does is confirm what the majority of the public know. The standards of the police forces are so full of there own egos, free informs nice cars and many other perks paid for by the rate paying public. That police officer was a disgrace and should have been sacked. The public doesn’t need people like him in that position of so called trust 😤
Lmao brilliant!
Don't forget the inability to plug in a cable. That's an important qualification. ;-)
Just seen your video. Well done Leon. Many years ago, got home from a long days work, only to find an official letter. On opening it, found I'd been summoned for a traffic offence. Oh sh*t I thought. Let my boss know & turned up at Norwich court.Traffic officer told the court that he had clocked me doing 48mph in a 40mph zone. Had no lawyer as I did not need one. Let the pillock continue until it was my turn. Produced a copy of my tachograph for that day. Magistrate did not know how to read it, so explained. At the time I was stopped, my speed for several minutes prior to the stop was 37mph. Being on the road for 46 years, learnt a lesson early - if stopped, take copy of tachograph before handing it over to transport office. :-) The law is one thing, but trusting a copper is something totally different!
The cops have never been trustworthy!
"Okay, let's go straight to court." PMSL.
It was pretty much an event of me mocking him. I didn't mean to at the time but now I look back on it...
It's the cops fault. He deliberately slowed in the outside lane to 46mph from over 60mph. He obviously saw that this guy was a little impatient (as anyone would) at his near dangerous driving. Most people would undertake a car doing 46mph in a 70mph limit. The police would pull you over, and quite right too, for blocking the outside lane doing 46mph.
Pacman 83
i agree with you mate
Pacman 83 outside lane is for overtaking only....so clearly at 60 or even 46, unless the two inner lanes were all moving at less than that speed, he wasn’t overtaking.
Holy crap.... Almost every single diving offence I know that had gone to court couldn't have the video shown due to hard drive failure and the video not being available!!!! Spooky.
What a terrible coincidence... It's almost like they are destroying the evidence......
My friend was given photographic evidence of her "driving offence". she was driving on a north south road at midday, where we all know the sun is at the south point. the image the police gave as evidence is on a part of the road that doesn't exist (on that road as confirmed by multiple people that know the road intimately, me included) the sun was shining from the right hand side of the car (for police sided benefit of the doubt, i will say the photo shows the sun was on the east not the west, the car was travelling north) as shown by the shadow of the car pointing to the west. If that image was actually legitimate the sun would have been behind he car and the shadow would not have been visible. it also is highly coincidental that her speed was 76 which is the minimum level for automatic prosecution and banning for the speed in a 50 zone. so not only did the evidence show a part of the road that didn't exist, it also showed the sun in a position that it couldn't have been in at the time of the offence, as i showed based on scientific sun position research. To top it all off after the case was delayed 3 times due to a "motorcycle training course" and also an injured arm on the reporting officer (that stops someone giving evidence does it?) along with the video being on a computer that had a hard drive failure and NO backup, the judge got annoyed and just threw the case out of court. Does that sound familiar to your story? lol
"Tell me what you think you did wrong" - all while he's hogging the outside lane....mug!
By law you don't have to carry your driving licence in the U.K.Or identification.Is the copper talking balks?
You don't have to carry ID, ever. You MUST on demand, show an officer your driving license if you are pulled over while driving. The subsection to that states that if you do not have it on you, you can take it into a police station within 7 days.
It was less lying and more an attempt at abusing his power. He just happened to run into someone that wasn't going to be intimidated into paying a fine for a violation that was a huge stretch. Where he really screwed up was digging himself a hole by refusing to back down after his bluff had been called and it was pretty clear his attempted twisting of the law to justify a citation was a gross misapplication of the law.
Rowgue51 It's called perjury! Which you get a sentence for. Why was he not arrested and sent down?
The 819 people who have disliked this are Police employees (and Teresa May!).
She can catch parkingsons for all I care.
Or because the fella has a beard.
or freemasons sponging of we the public....parasites
As Home Secretary, Teresa May wanted to start making the police accountable and had no time for their constant bleating about being undermanned. Obviously she's now (January 2019) got other things to worry about. Unfortunately we've now got a police apologist (Javid) for Home Secretary.
@shoved to the right? Maybe they disliked the video because of the poster's casual homophobia, or his comment about Theresa May - "She can catch parkingsons for all I care." The police officer is corrupt and I'm glad he didn't get away with lying, but the poster comes across as a chump too.
Well done for fighting your corner.
My first thought was why is he going so slow in the outside lane, pretty obvious really that he’s waiting for someone to under take him so he can start dishing out tickets.
I bet he was fuming when he found out about your video.
He found out and still lied in court. It amazes me that he did that and the IPCC didn't care.
Good job! I had a similar argument with a police last year near embankment, he stopped me for using a mobile, which I clearly wasn’t.
1) he gives me a 3 points for using my mobile phone.
2) I refused to accept it.
3) he says I have never lost a single case at court so see in court I said the same.
4) when he couldn’t prove that I was using the phone he asks me to sign a paper he has made with his story I refused to sign it.
5) he try’s to say to me he can arrest me for driving my car with a mini cab sign at the back. Again I said mate I have child seats in my car it’s not a mini cab it’s a family car.
6) he try’s to ask me other questions like if I had paid the congestion charge or not? I said I have then he says Can I see the proof.
7) he wastes my time looking at my tyres also nothing found.
You know what these police officers are just crooks. I would say these guys are assholes.
Well done to you mate for recording!!
Guess what I received a letter for 3 points and to surrender my license I just ignored it and nothing happened not even a court hearing all rubbish!!!
I'm surprised they didn't push the court case. They are almost guaranteed winners because people don't stand for themselves (normally).
As for the toll...that's not a criminal matter, a civil matter and therefore, outside of his jurisdiction. IIRC, an officer can only ask you questions relating to the reason that he/she pulled you over for.
POLICE = POLICY enforcers. The whole system is a lie. czcams.com/video/8mdPIi4Er2w/video.html
well done mate
"do you consider yourself white and british" Huh?
That's what I wanna know. Wtf kinda question is that. Does that count against you?
@@SlyNine It's a funny question with 'no intended bias'...haha as if
"I'd like you to point out to me what you think you have done wrong"
Well, I should have washed my car at the weekend and bought some new windscreen wipers but apart from that ... amateur hour with this pooliceman expecting man to fall for such a question.
The problem is, people do fall for that. It's worrying how many likely do.
Well done. I was in a similar position years ago, stopped as officer said I went through a red light. I hadn't. He told many lies in court. He was travelling towards lights on road I was morning on to. My solicitor requested that the Court visited the junction. Long story cut short, the lights had been out of sequence for 6 years and I was proven innocent. He also was verbally aggressive when I wouldn't accept his fine and points when he stopped me at the junction.
Are you going to sue?. Damages, time lost & stress.. Not to mention he should have been charged with Perjury for lying on a sworn affidavit/Statement..
The police force would not function if everytime an officer made a mistake the force was sued, officer fired etc.
Mistake. That's laughable.
There were no 'mistakes'. He had the chance to correct any in the second statement.
He mistook that I was in front of him, and somehow still undertook him?
Compare the statement to the facts, then say they were still mistakes.
Leon Symnz I don't know if they were deliberate mistakes or accidental, no idea pal. Don't know of the officer lied or if he had a bad night's sleep and was half asleep, no clue. Might be a crap copper, quite possible.
I don't want you to think I was having a go or anything because I certainly wasn't. I do have a knee jerk reaction to certain comments though, I've seen how people go on a witch hunt when it comes to coppers on similar videos and it always bothers me somewhat. As I'm so used to what I percieve to be unfair and unjustified comments on these videos. I assumed this comment was one too as it's remarkably similar to what I'd come to expect. Many comments elsewhere demand an officer is fired, force is fined etc when the officer has done absolutely nothing wrong. I appreciate that the video has further details that I had initially not seen before making my comment, this was my mistake, I jumped the gun and I apologize.
Have a read of the statement and comment again. It's a 2 page statement which I see to contradict what happened and what the video shows.
If I had lost out money due to this, I would have taken it as far as I could have possibly done, but the only cost was time, which I had some to spare, so it wasn't a huge loss.
Also, the ads from this video has covered my costs that I may have incurred as a result of going to court several times.
The main issue I have is the (what I believe to be) lies by PC Freeman. His statement, dated 4 months and a bit after the incident, which I'm sure he remembers well, considering the detail he went into.
Perfect exemplary way to deal with this type of situation
I'm glad you found it helpful!
Hopefully people will take at least one thing away from this.
Funny how the coppers voice goes squeaky 😂
Those pesky hard drives, Its strange how that always happens in favour of the police.
Haha. The PC was running RAID1, so it had nothing to do with a failure. The tech confirms it was manually deleted. Wonder who by! lol
To Many bent cops trying to stich up innocent people .Well done mate
Fair play to you sir! Never be scared, always remember your rights and always keep answers short and sweet to avoid any confusing statements that may be twisted and shaped against you.
Oh yes. Like exactly what my solicitor and I did in court to him. It was a bit of reverse roles lol
Getting the driver to admit to violating the law. I would refuse.
haha this officer is actually saying that because he's doing 61mph in the outside lane, no one else on the 70mph road is allowed to go faster than him.
That's why "undertaking" is a joke.
That's why the police force is a joke.
Fantastic! You knew that the constable had stopped you erroneously and you stood your ground. It came across from the video that the police officer had an axe to grind. Also judicious of you to have recorded the incident especially useful as the police footage was mysteriously deleted.
I think we all know what really happened to the video...
I don't know what the issue was with the officer and I had never met him before.
A lot of people would have been intimidated/scared or whatever to challenge this but you stuck to your guns so well done buddy.
Fortunately, I had the resources and the evidence to prove him wrong.
Why is the copper doing 60 in the outside lane. He should be charged with causing an inconvenience
Exactly as I said in the video lol. He even slowed to 46mph.
Update #2 - I WILL TRY TO REPLY TO EVERYONE, it may just not be instantly. (even the haters)
I spoke to the chap from 'Professional Standards Department' (PSD), it was a lengthy talk but ultimately, he requires time to speak to the officer, the chap from their tech department who made a statement (which you can read, goes against the officer).
Being the xmas holiday's, this is going to take a bit longer, but I expect him to conclude this by mid January.
I'll have a look in a moment! :)
Truth Dante I run a dashcam these days, and I always have my door locked. I had an issue where an officer tried to take my keys but luckily, it was keyless lol
I don't doubt that he will pull me again, I look forward to it.
Of course, I'd rather not be pulled but I'm happy to go toe to toe again.
Leon Symnz
I hope you don't get pulled too....but if and when it happens, get it on video so the rest of us can watch you stick it to them again.lol
I have a couple of other video's, might be of interest to you, check them out ;)
A lot of the Rotherham episode was a mixture of target culture (sexual exploitation was not deemed a priority by Whitehall so resources went elsewhere), the demonisation of teenagers at the time (leading to a victim blaming attitude from a lot of people) and every white government employee's fear of being branded a racist. Now that sexual exploitation is in the media there's cops all over it.
PC Freeman?...........What an ironic name for a Copper?
Indeed. I wonder if the magistrates saw the irony!
He changed it by deed poll from wanker
Kingdongdingdongdang ....tut tut..now now..your insulting the wanker's...how could you 🤔 ... that piece of pig excrement could never rise to that standard.. his first name was probably DICK.. 😲
GBPaddling ...it means the only FREEMAN is himself.. must have had a terrible beating as a child..you see..not all sexually abused kid's turn sour and cry about it many years after the molesting..some little fucker's get a job in the pig's..to make life HELL for the rest of us..while others rise to the ranks of magistrates/ judges..even M.P's...and a few as celebrity's...😐
Solly Khan a sweeping generalisation but very true, a lot of bizzies got bullied in school as well and assume they can join the piglets to better their sad lives by getting back at the public in general.
I'm extremely late to this party, but I'd like to congratulate you on the cool, calm, and collected way you dealt with this state-sanctioned bully.
I hope you didn't end up out of pocket defending yourself against this ridiculous charge.
So he was trying to do him for undertaking whilst he's sitting in the outside line at 60mph?!? Did the policeman not even know that not keeping left unless overtaking is in itself an offense? I would have been furious, well done for keeping calm
He even slowed to 46mph. HE sure got upset when I point out his lane hogging.
i had a similar experience in cornwall luckily i recorded the officer .he claimed i had failed to pull over and had tracked me 3 miles. he said i watched the screen the whole time phoned not radioed his station for details of my vehicle. it was a dual cariage way fairly empty i had plled out to pass a tractor and trailer. i then pulled back in as we went round a b;ind corner when it was safe to do so he just appeared and nicked me.on the spot fines ! plead guilty he said it will be cheaper and as you live in london if we go to trial you wont have a long journey back here.i declined.he seemed angry and surprised.went to court i produced a timed receipt from a services i stopped at a mile back making nonsense of his claim of following me 3 miles.the video he claimed to possess had been accidentally deleted! i explained what i did and why i waited to go round the turn as i couldnt be sure what was in the inside lane.case dismissed i then asked the court via my brief how to proceed with a similar prosecution for driving without care against the officer who admitted on film he watched tv and made phone calls whilst driving.i got a letter from devonshire constabulary apologising and 1500 pounds as well as my costs.i let it drop then but it is a scandal!without the receipt and phone footage i would have been found guilty because courts believe police lies rather than the innocent.
It shouldn't need us to prove that the cop is lying for them not to lie ... The fact that there is no accountability is why they do. They know the police force and even the courts will stand behind them until the problem goes away. Corruption is ripe.
@@LeonSymnz too true ! in a one to one encounter without filmed evidence like the perrenial you went through a red light doesnt matter if you have a coach load of people say it was green the magistrates will believe the single officer!
No such offence as undertaking! You can legally pass a vehicle on the left if your abiding by the speed limit. Think he needs to go back to school as doing 60 in the 3rd lane while not making progress is lane hogging, bang 3 points.
Don't usually like videos of people trying to get one up on the police as they are there trying to do a job and on the whole do ok at it but in this instance good on you chap
craig matthews thanks bud.
Indeed you are correct about the law. It is different if you change lanes to pass on the left but as you said, he was doing 60 (slowed to 46) in the outside lane on a clear motorway
craig matthews n.
NEVER trust the police and ALWAYS record every encounter ....
If the officer was doing 61 in the middle lane as he said....why. If he wasn’t overtaking anyone then he shouldn’t be in the middle lane.
He was in the outside lane... And he slowed to 46mph
First impression was why did it say the cop was going 50 MPH in the fast lane. What a blonker.
He slowed to 46...
What a discusting police officer. Blatant lies. He should he sacked and his pension given to the cats protection league. Horrible man
Firsst Hardman cats protection league lmao.
it would go to a better cause than him in any case!
Update #1 - I have spoken to someone from 'Professional Standards Department' (PSD) over the phone and have an appointment with him next week to speak in detail with him.
I'll update again after I've spoken with him.
Thanks, and I will!
He slowed to 46mph, so I wouldn't have been the only one to undertake, had I not taken avoiding action.
theres been many drivers prosecuted for going slower than the limit........so yes he was in the wrong, and rather than admit it, he tried to punish you.
Indeed, he drove dangerously, in my opinion.
Indeed, they will. They have shown signs of siding with him.
I am still waiting for the investigation.
Any updates from the PSD yet?
0:52 - "Nope, that's your job mate."
Aye but it's easier if people confess to anything and then they can pin that regardless of if they committed the crime or not.
Why did'nt the beemer driver get a nab for swopping lanes and causing another road user to take reasonable diversionary action ?
He was long gone, and the cop didn't see it.
Obviously, he didn't care about what actually happened and only the fictitious scenario he could put in his statement.
Well done mate... best thing is to get these liars on camera !!!
Absolutely. We all have camera phones. Just keep it discrete and they'll not know you're recording. They lie more when they don't know that there is a camera.
To be fair the cop was sat in 3rd lane he had space to pull in lane 2 (witch you meant to do) so if anything the cop is just fishing
Don't the police NEED evidence and why take it to court with NO evidence.
His 'eye witness' testimony is enough...or so he thought.
Quite suspicious that the video went missing, his statement was what it was and my video contradicted his statement...
Right he can just say "Yes your honor, we had a lot of evidence so much in fact we just though most of it away, but don't worry we keep some, but I'm now telling you the paper work we have is all wrong".
That's pretty much how the case went... and the magistrates didn't take long to say enough was enough.
There are soon very good magistrates around.
@@LeonSymnz With that sort of behavior, isn't the office guilty of contempt of Court? Should the officer have been referred to the police integrity unit (or it's UK equivalent)? The officer should have been stood down IMO, especially for deliberately tampering with or deleting video evidence, unprofessional conduct, deliberately lying, entrapment (staying in overtaking lane inducing drivers to "undertake") and failure to turn up to court with evidence to present in a professional manner.
Thank the lord you had a solicitor, because you can’t read your own notes!!! 😂