This videos are priceless, thank you so much! Been playing eve for over two years now still going to school every day. Taking extra classes. Homework sucks.
Glad I watched this. I've done three tries at ratting, losing a ship on one, and never salvaging, due to ignorance. The sound was right at the edge. Remember, you've got a quiet, soft voice, so it's very easy for the music to be overpowering.
Jurius Doctor, amazing videos and this is helping me get back into EVE after 5 years out. The fits really help for working with getting into sites and actively gaining isk. Thank you again for all that you and Iron Armada do for us getting back into the game. We have been building some fleet doctrines based on some of these fits for sites and otherwise. Thanks again!
lol i know this is late but when he said that I was expecting 1bil, 100 mil, or even anything worth any value lol. HAHAHHAA 100k isk is the funniest thing i have heard in a long time
I would like to add dont be afraid to loose ships just make sure you take a moment understanding why and what happend for you to loose it. Make a ship loss mean you learn something new and you'll grow
All I have to say is if you're a pirate, you don't want to run into me. I just got back into the game and I've got an axe to grind and a lot more to learn.
Newbro here. I was doing random combat sites and ran into a drone gathering. Kill the shit and something drops. I look at my hold and it says "300,000,00 est price." I blink, look again, shit my pants, run to Amarr in my little vexor. Not vni, just vexor. So far, Eve is fun.
I'm 17 minutes into the video and taking a break because I have stuff I need to do, but so far this has been informative. I used to have an alpha viable corax I used to run t0 abyssals but since my combat skills are low, I stopped after losing 2 in one day. I've currently been in hisec mining but have been known in my corp to fly a tanked up procurer into serpantis refuges to drone boat the site with 4 hobgoblin 1's while searching for pyroxeres. It's unorthodox to say the least, but the approximately 48k ehp has enough shield tank to run the refuges and survive. I do pin the site so once it's clear I can return in a noctis to salvage. I would like to get out of the proc into a more suitable ratting ship and this video seems to be a good starting point to knowing what I need
Great video, you really cover all. When you become kinda "expert" doing anomalies on NULL with a VNI you can do Havens and add the sell of the escalations to your income. The VNI fitting is ok, but can be improve, no need to use any defensive modules (resistanses, etc) if you are speed tanking, I do havens focusing my fitting on cap an velocity with 4 damage drone augmentors. Cheers.
forgot to mention that Dens .. Rally Points .. Hubs have named variants as well .. the additional point is that salvage takes up little space .. fractions of 1m3 .. salvaging a yellow wreck will not get a suspect flag -- LOOTING the yellow wreck will ( 27:18 on ) salvaging and looting are different game mechanics .. drop the MTU from your combat ship (if in destroyer or cruiser) when you start a site .. pick it up at the end and bookmark that point to return for salvaging -- I create bookmarks akin to ( a 1524 ) letter order and time stamps to help me keep track .. I have flown a Tristan fit akin to a Vexor .. drones, tank, prop, tractor beams and salvagers in the highs. I warp into a system, bookmark all higher sites (Den, Refuge I use the id# from the scanner _THD 345_ ) and run the lower ones immediately. with enough skills, the Tristan can run a Refuge but the others are quicker. also a majority of ratters don't bother looting OR salvaging the wrecks. so if someone else has run the Den or Refuge in the meantime, I can come in and salvage ( NOT LOOT ) the wrecks for more income without getting a suspect tag
I'm always faced with the issue of "Where do I go to do these things?". any null sec system? do i stay near a populated hub? will i just learn this naturally as i go? For me as a beginner i think there are too many options and i confuse myself lol
Thanks for the explanation videos. Been absent from the game for nearly 5 years, and will be retiring in a little over 3, so I will be reactivating my account some time in 2023.
27:24 I'm going to have to correct the good doctor here: In 2022, anyone can *salvage* (i.e. use a salvage module on) any wreck, including yellow wrecks, without penalty. However, should you *loot* a yellow wreck, then you'll incur a suspect timer and hence can be freely engaged by anyone without Concord intervention. Given the date of the video, it's entirely possible the mechanic has changed within the past four years; though I can't recall if that's the case or not.
First of all nice video. Very nice info for all new ratters. But at 38 min mark you claim 40 mil in combined stuff in 14 minutes. You include the salvage value... But 14 min seems a little bit short if you include the reshipping and salvaging. Also you mention the hauling issue that certainly will arise with this method and mentio. Red frog but dont go into any detail what they are. Are they haulers? In addition i have heard of people specialized in salvaging a while back. You'd just contract them your bookmark, they take care of the rest and pay you a certain cut. And one very big oversight would be not mentioning escalations and the ded rated signatures. I make my living (plexing account + some toys to welp) exclusively in HS this way. A 5/10 is worth at least 43mil in a overseer drop + bounties and the chance of Ded-/ faction- mods, which can quickly sum up a few hundred mil on a single site. It all depends on RNGesus at that point.
I love ratting for isk. It may not be the best but it is really really gratifying selling off 5 billion in scrap to an alliance member after a few weeks of work.
I'm my mind, for a new player who joins a null sec corp, there's two great ways to make ISK: first, salvage behind carrier tatters, second, join moon mining ops.
I notice that this guide primarily focuses on the idea of ratting solo. My girlfriend and I are just getting into the game. Is there an efficient way we could go ratting together? Or are there better things we could be doing as a pair?
Hi @Sara. This is a GREAT question, and yes. There are a couple of successful strategies. I'll start by saying that EVE is almost always better when playing with others, and the potential to build efficiencies grows the more you scale your efforts in New Eden. This is why many corporations in EVE want you to be on voice or some other comms regularly, for tactical and strategic cooridnation. Now, let's look at the more popular efficient strategies which all start with forming a fleet together (right click on the other's name and choose "Form Fleet With..." from the context menu): 1. Repeat the process in the video together, independently or doubling up combat running, but share hauling duties. Each of you carries one or more MTUs and you alternate sites, bookmarking and dropping MTUs as you go. When a system is cleared, you switch to salvaging destroyers and sweep up the wrecks before they disappear from space (they start degrading immediately nad disappear after 2 hours). Then when the wrecks are gon, switch to industrial ships (colloquially 'haulers') and pick up the MTUs and the goods. 2. The other option, often more efficient, is to have one of you running the sites and the other following behind and offering support, but also salvaging. For example, if the support flies an Algos or a Dragoon you can carry combat drones and offer support clearing the site while still having lots of upper slots for salvagers. Warp to a site together, orbit, and drop drones and MTU. Sweep as you go. I hope this helps.
@@JuriusDoctor Thank you very much for the detailed response! Once we're both able to use decent ships, we'll be sure to try both strategies and see what works for us.
An Algos with 3 or 4 salvagers and some tractor beams makes a great hisec salvage ship for drone focused pilots. Most/.All the damage comes from drones so it makes a pretty efficient as far as destroyers go.
At 15:50 you mention that you'll go over a specific reason for picking Rallies and Hubs (and I suppose not Ports given the graphic) But if you ever got back to answering that I missed it. Also, im in Drone Rat land, would same advice go for Gila with the drone equivalents? Given the VNI nerf, and Carrier spawns in anomalies, is there a chance you could update this? Great info overall!
8 salvagers on a destroyer, and because I'm typically not using them all at once, or if I'm in a hurry I can try to clear faster by having more than one on a wreck.
Since The Hedway Network seems to be "closed" is there any good alternative? I'm only a few days in and try to figure everything out :) Thanks for the vid!!!!
There are a high number of High-Sec Upwell structures serving the public. Go to the Neocom and find "Structure Browser". Change the filter to 'Region' and then filter by the service you want to use. Just make sure it's a public structure or you have docking rights. (Show Info on the structure.)
PSA: Many of the ship modules(especially the ones on the VNI) have had name changes since this video was released! No idea if there is an updated video for any of the things presented in this video because I keep finding this one in stuff when I am searching for things Side note: Are we ignoring the warning for shield modules fit to Armor ship?
Just want to say something as a new player. Fits are nice and you can mostly get all the equipment shown here but rigs are a problem since there are expensive.
Im trying to recreate your build: 20:20 Fitting Example: T1 Angel Missions (Cruiser, Passive Tank) but the modules such as the Adaptive invulnerability field II i can't even find in the game, and also i've copied the rest of it and my DPS is only at 150 but on yours its sitting at nearly 283! my ehp is only 10k and ive had to use medium in the shields to make it cap stable. Is this a case of my skills just arent enough or is the fit out of date now?
The adaptive Invulnerability field had its name changed in an early in a past patch to Multispectrum invulnerability field, and in regards to your DPS and cap stability you probably don't have the skills necesary to maintain them
27:24 Not sure if this has changed since I played last but SALVAGING DOES NOT tag you suspect, LOOTING it(taking the non-salvage items from it WILL however! Again, this may have changed since I played last I only recently came back after quite a few years away from the game!
Thank you for these videos, cant explain how useful they are for a relatively new player. I'm in horde, so obvs am in null. Any suggestions for cheapish ships usable for null ratting?
Cheapish ships? If you're just getting started and are willing to be active in your ratting? Vexor or VNI for Gallente, Arbitrator or Prophecy for Amarr, Carical or Drake for Caldari, and Rail Stabber or Rupture for Minmatar.
You can actually only ever field 5 drones at a time, regardless of bandwidth maximums. So even though the VNI can field 5 heavy drones worth of bandwidth, if you put out 5 light drones you cannot then add more to space.
I tested the "Vector Navy Issue" fitting for Null sec ratting. But my energysaver is empty in 2 minutes. Can someone tell me the skills I need for the fitting (for more energy) Sorry for bad English
I would begin by looking at your skills. A very good fitting for your Vexor can run out of power - while it might be stable for someone else - if your skills aren't trained high enough. To begin, make sure your CPU Management and Powergrid Management are trained to 5. You could also share your fitting with a couple of experienced players and ask them to help you improve it. Also, power grid stability is really mostly important when ratting; in PVP it's uncommon to use a ship that is Powergrid stable
Looking at that fit. I think thats the old VNI fit before they got nerfed back around July 2019. CCP has made the VNI into a close range blaster/armor brawler. If my memory serves me correctly.
@@JuriusDoctor Nice!!! Thank you. I really love your videos. I been trying to learn how to do P.I. with no success. Until i found your video on planetary interactions. Very well explained. I learned alot and actually succeeded because of your videos. Thank you so much and keep up the good work!
So the MTU replaced the need for a Noctis alt ? Now would it be a bit more profitable in HS at least to do level 4 missions using the same sort of cycle. Considering LP and mission rewards ?
Dronz93 Fischer no, you still want a salvager, and I use a Noctis for exactly this task, but it just doesn't need to follow your ratter around, per se.
This is what I do, but you want to maximize the bounty pay out, so the more sites you can hit, the better. Vexor is nice because it's cargo bay is large enough to drop several
Great video! I'm getting back into the game and have about a years worth of Skill Points but havent played in years so have forgotten pretty much everything. Question: How come the destroyer salvager you recommend doesn't show any space for drones. But then when you're using it you suddenly do have drone space and are able to put some salvage drones in there?
In the fitting window (Alt+F by default), the bottom-left of the ship render/picture there are two stats. One is cargo space, and one is drone bay space. A positive value in drones (0/40, for example) indicates that you can hold drones; since each light drone is 5m3 ea, then 40 = 8 drones. The Dragoon is a drone boat.
@@JuriusDoctor oh I thought you were flying a coercer for salvaging. Isn't that what you recommended in the beginning? It doesnt have done slots I'm pretty sure
Good question. I do exactly that. I drop the MTUs to collect the loot and go to the next sites. Loot bookmarked and left in space can be scooped by anyone, and auto expires after 2 hours. Loot stored in an MTU lasts in space a lot longer. It's about maximum return. Rat, drop MTU, warp to next anom, repeat until out of MTUs. Depending on how much time you have to dedicate, you can Rinse/Repeat until you're ready to collect or until someone threatens your MTUs. In either case, you make bounties faster doing it this way (not stopping to loot), the loot you collect at the end is the second payout. If you salvage wrecks (in
Your knowledge, skill and presentation are all top flight, but... When you talk about "Making X,000,000-isk per hour, it's not accurate. Every EVE you-tuber does the same, you haven't made the isk until it's sold! The only cash in your wallet is from bounties, everything else takes more time to convert to isk, and you (as all you-tubers do) blythely ignore the time this takes, and it can take longer to release the equity than it does to create & collect the loot / salvage. Even then, the value at the time of salvaging is only an estimate, you might get that price at market, less tax & fees, you might get more or less. But you need to factor in the time it takes to do this before you can realistically state that you have made X-isk per hour. Please do not take offence, I really felt the need to say this. I am subscribed, and that for me is rare, I only sub channels I am really confident in.
Thanks for the feedback, and you're right - there is a certain amount of sunk cost in the time spent gathering the materials for sale, and the value of those salvage sales can be maximized based on sale timing and a keen eye on the market performance of those specific materials. That's advanced concepts, though, and this is an introductory video meant to capture newbro attention and educate them to the possible.
I can see you're confused. The Angel Cartel are a faction of NPC pirates you shoot at to get bounties. The Punisher is an Amarr combat frigate you use to shoot them in High Sec in low-tiered anomalies and in level 1 missions.
so am I supposed to be scanning these sites down first, then running them? so scan, blow up/bookmark, repeat reapeat return industry/drop mtu, return salvage, return with industrial?
How do you keep aggro off your drones? I know not to initially deploy them until the rats target you, but as soon as the second wave spawns for me they start trying to take out my drones.
Yes. Your ship, your modules, your ammo, everything in the game is a destructible object. (Except things which aren't, in special circumstances, like system gates, NPC stations, stars, planets, and moons.)
@@squeakysoliloquy83 yes and no. It's a good idea to have banked money, but successive losses can drain that. Knowing how to build ships, and where you can go (or corporations you can join) to get inexpensive or free ships, and to learn, are successful strategies as well.
Level 2 missions and HS anomalies don't, to any great degree, offer a ton of reward directly. That said, the big reward for missions at the lower levels is Loyalty Points (LP) which can be traded for goods worth a fair amount on the market, or for blueprint copies which can be used to manufacture goods of worth; also for raising standings so you can run higher level missions which do pay out well. HS anomalies are useful for the fun of playing them, and for the escalations to DED-space sites and rare loot drops (blue and purple). Missions pay out better on the long run, but only if you're using your LP and planning for future scalability in your mission running.
As someone who has yet to play eve, do you have a different account for each your ratter, your industrial ship, and your salvage ship? Or use all one account and you change between ships?
It depends. Usually additional characters on accounts are reserved for utility roles that don't require your main to be logged in at the same time. (Cyno alts, alt haulers, Incursions alts, etc). At least if you're a member of a null bloc or an organized corporation that relies on multiboxing for their meta - which is pretty much most of EVE. For multiboxing, I have four accounts. When mining, my primary is in an Orca or Rorqual providing boosts, and the other three are in barges mining. In combat, one is in a dreadnought, one is in a force auxiliary, one is in a carrier, and one is in a battleship. Sometimes, when ratting, I'll have my primary and secondary accounts in carriers (dual-boxing carriers), and then have one account in a hauler and one in a salvager.
12:50 that isnt too bad... imagine being shield buffer tank, getting webbed, pointed and painted, with MWD on and someone firing a bomb that you have weak/no resistances against **cue coffin dance**
[Breacher, T1 HS Ratter] Damage Control I Ballistic Control System I Nanofiber Internal Structure I 5MN Microwarpdrive I EM Ward Amplifier I Explosive Deflection Amplifier I Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I Light Missile Launcher I Light Missile Launcher I Light Missile Launcher I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Warrior I x2 -------- There you go. Be sure to change out the deflection amplifiers so that you're tanking the type of damage the rats you're fighting deal. This one is set for Angel Cartel. It's 70% cap stable and runs about 3,400 m/s with prop on. It's designed for level 1-3 anomalies, and puts out about 70-90 dps with T1 drones and ammo. Make sure to orbit at about 25 km. If your missiles aren't reaching their targets, or aren't doing a ton of damage, don't orbit closer. Train your Missile Projection and Missile Bombardment skills.
Flying Brains in Low, use sentry drones. Drop an MTU, drop sentries, turn prop on, orbit MTU. Warp off if someone lands on grid. In Null, dock up the moment someone who's not in your alliance enters local.
Very easily... Go into EVE launcher, launch game, open your character in the game client, go to the Corporation window, and filter the corporations based on what you're looking for. I'll make a video.
I would need a few more details to agree with you: a. What level of combat escalation? b. Which empire of space? c. Are your skills for Hull Upgrades, Weapon Upgrades, and Small Energy Weapon trained to V? (I.e. Do you have good skills)
Did you mean 100m if someone can match that, not 100k? Not really related to that(as in, not going for 100k), but i just did level 1 site and Shadow Serpentis spawned and dropped Mid-grade Asklepian Omega that has buy orders in Jita for 260m. Took me 1 salvo to kill each ship in my T1 frigate(Atron) from career agent and got 260m, yay. Now if only that guy would spawn every time...
Good day sir! I just started eve and been playing for 3 days now 6hours per day Can i know what is a good set up for your punisher? Im playing amarr And im doing the military missions exclusively am i doing it right?
Vexor Navy Issue was what he used to run the site in null .. a faction cruiser, so tech I, but a little more expensive didn't catch the industrial .. looked like a Sigil then a Dragoon destroyer as his salvaging ship .. the latter 2 are bog standard newbie ships
Kazoosc is correct. Vexor Navy Issue, Sigil, and Dragoon. Overall the most expensive ship was the Vexor Navy, which runs between 30 and 60 million ISK for the hull depending on market demand. You can easily reproduce these results with an appropriately fit Arbitrator or Vexor standard issue, if you're looking for a drone boat. For all 3 ships, together, in T1 hulls only, you can expect the cost to fit all three ships being under fifteen million ISK, plus another eleven to fifteen for the Mobile Tractor Units (MTUs). However, doing this method correctly, you can make that back in a few hours in Null Sec.
mmmm looked like you took a bit longer than 30 minutes to clear the site. If you min/max you could get it just under 30min, and taking into account warp times maybe 2 sites per hour, coming to about 80mil/hour, which can be done with level 4 missions when you take into account loyalty points and storyline missions. If you hit it hard for 8 hours on level 4 missions, you can make 1bil. I get nullsec ratting, in deep pockets nobody bothers you and in bigger more expensive ships you can make isk much faster... but it's not necessarily the only endgame
I can appreciate the artistic effort in the intro, but it's kinda a different topic and (partly consequently) a bit long winded. Also, telling people what they will perceive and feel is likely to miss the mark more often than you think. A much more powerful way of doing it, is telling them what YOU perceived and felt. Perhaps counter to intuition, this will narrow the gap between you and the listener more than the former. I won't get into the psychology here. I hope you can use this dramaturgical insight, even though you didn't ask for it. Peace.
My god. Watching the beginning made me realize just how epic my 16 year journey through eve has been! I started in a little crappy velator
As someone who is trying to start the game now (I’m doing wormhole exploration in my heron) I hope to have this moment in the years to come.
Wow 16 years!!!!just started got 4 hours so far
Wow 16 years!!!!Just started
Wow all your videos are amazing and they make EVE Online worth playing again (after 5 year absence). Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words, John.
true ^^ :D
Serpentis Baron: noooo you can’t just do more dps than me you’re in a cruiser!
My Vexor: haha Hammerheads go blam
#1 comment approval from me. This is hilarious. +10 bump
Join me on Discord. If you're this funny I'd love to have you on my stream sometime. lol. discord.gg/BRrRCDu
Aight I’ll definitely join
This videos are priceless, thank you so much! Been playing eve for over two years now still going to school every day. Taking extra classes. Homework sucks.
Glad I watched this. I've done three tries at ratting, losing a ship on one, and never salvaging, due to ignorance.
The sound was right at the edge. Remember, you've got a quiet, soft voice, so it's very easy for the music to be overpowering.
You were incorrect about getting a suspect timer salvaging a wreck, you only get suspect if you loot it.
May be only if you salvage an empty one?
I would like to say that salvaging someone's wreck that is yellow no longer gives you a suspect timer, although looting the wreck will.
Jurius Doctor, amazing videos and this is helping me get back into EVE after 5 years out. The fits really help for working with getting into sites and actively gaining isk. Thank you again for all that you and Iron Armada do for us getting back into the game. We have been building some fleet doctrines based on some of these fits for sites and otherwise.
Thanks again!
"I will pay you... (oh God... here we go) ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND ISK!!!" :D LOL! Mini Me would be proud.
lol i know this is late but when he said that I was expecting 1bil, 100 mil, or even anything worth any value lol. HAHAHHAA 100k isk is the funniest thing i have heard in a long time
I thought he was gonna say 1 billion ISK...
Lol I make more from Alpha High Sec Venture Mining!
I have played eve for a long ass time but this helped me in rating instead of just hauling. Thanks my man.
I would like to add dont be afraid to loose ships just make sure you take a moment understanding why and what happend for you to loose it. Make a ship loss mean you learn something new and you'll grow
Thanks Jurius, I just got into ratting with a VNI in null and are getting a salvager ready now. Very Informative for all the newbros! ;)
All I have to say is if you're a pirate, you don't want to run into me. I just got back into the game and I've got an axe to grind and a lot more to learn.
Newbro here. I was doing random combat sites and ran into a drone gathering.
Kill the shit and something drops.
I look at my hold and it says "300,000,00 est price." I blink, look again, shit my pants, run to Amarr in my little vexor. Not vni, just vexor.
So far, Eve is fun.
I'm 17 minutes into the video and taking a break because I have stuff I need to do, but so far this has been informative. I used to have an alpha viable corax I used to run t0 abyssals but since my combat skills are low, I stopped after losing 2 in one day. I've currently been in hisec mining but have been known in my corp to fly a tanked up procurer into serpantis refuges to drone boat the site with 4 hobgoblin 1's while searching for pyroxeres.
It's unorthodox to say the least, but the approximately 48k ehp has enough shield tank to run the refuges and survive. I do pin the site so once it's clear I can return in a noctis to salvage. I would like to get out of the proc into a more suitable ratting ship and this video seems to be a good starting point to knowing what I need
Great voice and presentation. Makes learning fun! Thanks for the time you put into these
I agreed
Very well produced video, nice job. Also liked your recent abyssal deadspace stuff on INN!
Thanks for the feedback. Always nice to meet someone who's read my stuff.
Great video, you really cover all. When you become kinda "expert" doing anomalies on NULL with a VNI you can do Havens and add the sell of the escalations to your income. The VNI fitting is ok, but can be improve, no need to use any defensive modules (resistanses, etc) if you are speed tanking, I do havens focusing my fitting on cap an velocity with 4 damage drone augmentors. Cheers.
forgot to mention that Dens .. Rally Points .. Hubs have named variants as well
.. the additional point is that salvage takes up little space .. fractions of 1m3
.. salvaging a yellow wreck will not get a suspect flag -- LOOTING the yellow wreck will ( 27:18 on ) salvaging and looting are different game mechanics
.. drop the MTU from your combat ship (if in destroyer or cruiser) when you start a site
.. pick it up at the end and bookmark that point to return for salvaging
-- I create bookmarks akin to ( a 1524 ) letter order and time stamps to help me keep track
.. I have flown a Tristan fit akin to a Vexor .. drones, tank, prop, tractor beams and salvagers in the highs. I warp into a system, bookmark all higher sites (Den, Refuge I use the id# from the scanner _THD 345_ ) and run the lower ones immediately. with enough skills, the Tristan can run a Refuge but the others are quicker. also a majority of ratters don't bother looting OR salvaging the wrecks. so if someone else has run the Den or Refuge in the meantime, I can come in and salvage ( NOT LOOT ) the wrecks for more income without getting a suspect tag
looking forward to your minmatar ships video
I'm always faced with the issue of "Where do I go to do these things?". any null sec system? do i stay near a populated hub? will i just learn this naturally as i go? For me as a beginner i think there are too many options and i confuse myself lol
Here you go, everyone. Adjusted the volume levels and gave the video a scrub pass. Should be good to go, now.
Big thanks! Good video.
Thanks for saying so.
Very nice video , I have a question is better to do anomalys in HS or Missions lvl 2 (for the moment me standing is let me do only lvl 2) ?
Thanks for the explanation videos. Been absent from the game for nearly 5 years, and will be retiring in a little over 3, so I will be reactivating my account some time in 2023.
Glad to hear it
BRO, its 2024, WHERE YOU AT?????
27:24 I'm going to have to correct the good doctor here: In 2022, anyone can *salvage* (i.e. use a salvage module on) any wreck, including yellow wrecks, without penalty. However, should you *loot* a yellow wreck, then you'll incur a suspect timer and hence can be freely engaged by anyone without Concord intervention.
Given the date of the video, it's entirely possible the mechanic has changed within the past four years; though I can't recall if that's the case or not.
That wormhole thing is very accurate. before they learn that the only thing they have to worry about, cant be found on dscan.
27:25 You do not get a suspect timer for salvaging yellow wrecks, you only get suspect timer if you loot it.
I started yesterday and this has helped me a lot
Great effort. Keep it up. Your channel has become a go-to for me.
Great video...great sound...great message! Love the tunes at the end also 👍🏼👍🏼
First of all nice video. Very nice info for all new ratters. But at 38 min mark you claim 40 mil in combined stuff in 14 minutes. You include the salvage value... But 14 min seems a little bit short if you include the reshipping and salvaging. Also you mention the hauling issue that certainly will arise with this method and mentio. Red frog but dont go into any detail what they are. Are they haulers? In addition i have heard of people specialized in salvaging a while back. You'd just contract them your bookmark, they take care of the rest and pay you a certain cut.
And one very big oversight would be not mentioning escalations and the ded rated signatures. I make my living (plexing account + some toys to welp) exclusively in HS this way. A 5/10 is worth at least 43mil in a overseer drop + bounties and the chance of Ded-/ faction- mods, which can quickly sum up a few hundred mil on a single site. It all depends on RNGesus at that point.
I love ratting for isk. It may not be the best but it is really really gratifying selling off 5 billion in scrap to an alliance member after a few weeks of work.
I'm my mind, for a new player who joins a null sec corp, there's two great ways to make ISK: first, salvage behind carrier tatters, second, join moon mining ops.
All your vids are excellent, u explain so well.
I appreciate that! Thanks for your kinds.
Deserves way more views and upvotes. Top quality
I notice that this guide primarily focuses on the idea of ratting solo. My girlfriend and I are just getting into the game. Is there an efficient way we could go ratting together? Or are there better things we could be doing as a pair?
Hi @Sara. This is a GREAT question, and yes. There are a couple of successful strategies.
I'll start by saying that EVE is almost always better when playing with others, and the potential to build efficiencies grows the more you scale your efforts in New Eden. This is why many corporations in EVE want you to be on voice or some other comms regularly, for tactical and strategic cooridnation.
Now, let's look at the more popular efficient strategies which all start with forming a fleet together (right click on the other's name and choose "Form Fleet With..." from the context menu):
1. Repeat the process in the video together, independently or doubling up combat running, but share hauling duties. Each of you carries one or more MTUs and you alternate sites, bookmarking and dropping MTUs as you go. When a system is cleared, you switch to salvaging destroyers and sweep up the wrecks before they disappear from space (they start degrading immediately nad disappear after 2 hours). Then when the wrecks are gon, switch to industrial ships (colloquially 'haulers') and pick up the MTUs and the goods.
2. The other option, often more efficient, is to have one of you running the sites and the other following behind and offering support, but also salvaging. For example, if the support flies an Algos or a Dragoon you can carry combat drones and offer support clearing the site while still having lots of upper slots for salvagers. Warp to a site together, orbit, and drop drones and MTU. Sweep as you go.
I hope this helps.
@@JuriusDoctor Thank you very much for the detailed response! Once we're both able to use decent ships, we'll be sure to try both strategies and see what works for us.
@@skysear2197 You're welcome, and good luck!
Wrecks don't show up on combat scanners, but MTU's do.
Nice video, I return to eve after ten years break, appreciate all the information here
An Algos with 3 or 4 salvagers and some tractor beams makes a great hisec salvage ship for drone focused pilots. Most/.All the damage comes from drones so it makes a pretty efficient as far as destroyers go.
At 15:50 you mention that you'll go over a specific reason for picking Rallies and Hubs (and I suppose not Ports given the graphic) But if you ever got back to answering that I missed it. Also, im in Drone Rat land, would same advice go for Gila with the drone equivalents? Given the VNI nerf, and Carrier spawns in anomalies, is there a chance you could update this? Great info overall!
Absolutely I'll do an update
Ive never seen a shield rupture for pve, nice.
I'm glad you approve.
One thing I just noticed after rewatching this again was why would you fit 8 salvagers on a frigate when they can only target 6 wrecks at a time?
8 salvagers on a destroyer, and because I'm typically not using them all at once, or if I'm in a hurry I can try to clear faster by having more than one on a wreck.
Since The Hedway Network seems to be "closed" is there any good alternative? I'm only a few days in and try to figure everything out :) Thanks for the vid!!!!
There are a high number of High-Sec Upwell structures serving the public. Go to the Neocom and find "Structure Browser". Change the filter to 'Region' and then filter by the service you want to use. Just make sure it's a public structure or you have docking rights. (Show Info on the structure.)
PSA: Many of the ship modules(especially the ones on the VNI) have had name changes since this video was released! No idea if there is an updated video for any of the things presented in this video because I keep finding this one in stuff when I am searching for things
Side note: Are we ignoring the warning for shield modules fit to Armor ship?
Just want to say something as a new player. Fits are nice and you can mostly get all the equipment shown here but rigs are a problem since there are expensive.
Im trying to recreate your build: 20:20 Fitting Example: T1 Angel Missions (Cruiser, Passive Tank) but the modules such as the Adaptive invulnerability field II i can't even find in the game, and also i've copied the rest of it and my DPS is only at 150 but on yours its sitting at nearly 283! my ehp is only 10k and ive had to use medium in the shields to make it cap stable. Is this a case of my skills just arent enough or is the fit out of date now?
The adaptive Invulnerability field had its name changed in an early in a past patch to Multispectrum invulnerability field, and in regards to your DPS and cap stability you probably don't have the skills necesary to maintain them
What The Crazy Mexican said. You'll need to train your fitting and combat skills. Watch my videos on Core Skills and Fitting for Newbros.
27:24 Not sure if this has changed since I played last but SALVAGING DOES NOT tag you suspect, LOOTING it(taking the non-salvage items from it WILL however! Again, this may have changed since I played last I only recently came back after quite a few years away from the game!
Thank you for these videos, cant explain how useful they are for a relatively new player. I'm in horde, so obvs am in null. Any suggestions for cheapish ships usable for null ratting?
Cheapish ships? If you're just getting started and are willing to be active in your ratting? Vexor or VNI for Gallente, Arbitrator or Prophecy for Amarr, Carical or Drake for Caldari, and Rail Stabber or Rupture for Minmatar.
@@JuriusDoctor ok cool thanks so much mate
HEDWAY NEWORK no longer exists ? I googled it and in redit someone said it is gone . so ......?
Thanks for the lesson !
Nicely done and much appreciated!
You are a good explainer thank you
Great video!
you always good guidance Jurius, keep up the good works. o7
Great videos!!! Very educational for beginners! :)
hi great guide! Do you have to put all 15 drones out at once? or depends on type of npc, thanks!
You can actually only ever field 5 drones at a time, regardless of bandwidth maximums. So even though the VNI can field 5 heavy drones worth of bandwidth, if you put out 5 light drones you cannot then add more to space.
@@JuriusDoctor unless you are wealthy and lucky and got the limited special vexor version with double drone control
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 that would be the Guardian-Vexor, which is sold on the HyperNet or on contracts
I think you can find level 4 combat sites in nullsec,Only level 5 is in low.
I tested the "Vector Navy Issue" fitting for Null sec ratting. But my energysaver is empty in 2 minutes.
Can someone tell me the skills I need for the fitting (for more energy)
Sorry for bad English
I would begin by looking at your skills. A very good fitting for your Vexor can run out of power - while it might be stable for someone else - if your skills aren't trained high enough. To begin, make sure your CPU Management and Powergrid Management are trained to 5.
You could also share your fitting with a couple of experienced players and ask them to help you improve it.
Also, power grid stability is really mostly important when ratting; in PVP it's uncommon to use a ship that is Powergrid stable
Looking at that fit. I think thats the old VNI fit before they got nerfed back around July 2019. CCP has made the VNI into a close range blaster/armor brawler. If my memory serves me correctly.
@@ypahub01 Yes, and you can read all about my PVP fit here: imperium.news/vni-still-king-of-cruisers/
@@JuriusDoctor Nice!!! Thank you. I really love your videos. I been trying to learn how to do P.I. with no success. Until i found your video on planetary interactions. Very well explained. I learned alot and actually succeeded because of your videos. Thank you so much and keep up the good work!
What's the best t1 frigate for ratting? great video
So the MTU replaced the need for a Noctis alt ?
Now would it be a bit more profitable in HS at least to do level 4 missions using the same sort of cycle. Considering LP and mission rewards ?
Dronz93 Fischer no, you still want a salvager, and I use a Noctis for exactly this task, but it just doesn't need to follow your ratter around, per se.
So... why not drop MTU's off as you go into sites (3-4 anomalies at a time) and THEN go through with your salvage ship...
This is what I do, but you want to maximize the bounty pay out, so the more sites you can hit, the better. Vexor is nice because it's cargo bay is large enough to drop several
Great video! I'm getting back into the game and have about a years worth of Skill Points but havent played in years so have forgotten pretty much everything.
Question: How come the destroyer salvager you recommend doesn't show any space for drones. But then when you're using it you suddenly do have drone space and are able to put some salvage drones in there?
In the fitting window (Alt+F by default), the bottom-left of the ship render/picture there are two stats. One is cargo space, and one is drone bay space. A positive value in drones (0/40, for example) indicates that you can hold drones; since each light drone is 5m3 ea, then 40 = 8 drones. The Dragoon is a drone boat.
@@JuriusDoctor oh I thought you were flying a coercer for salvaging. Isn't that what you recommended in the beginning? It doesnt have done slots I'm pretty sure
@@NoenMar That's what I discuss at the start of the video, but what you see me undock in at timestamp 50:22 is a Dragoon.
VNI has a cargohold of 460 m3, so it can carry 4 MTUs, why not use it to avoid the flight cycle of an industrial?
Good question. I do exactly that. I drop the MTUs to collect the loot and go to the next sites. Loot bookmarked and left in space can be scooped by anyone, and auto expires after 2 hours. Loot stored in an MTU lasts in space a lot longer. It's about maximum return. Rat, drop MTU, warp to next anom, repeat until out of MTUs. Depending on how much time you have to dedicate, you can Rinse/Repeat until you're ready to collect or until someone threatens your MTUs. In either case, you make bounties faster doing it this way (not stopping to loot), the loot you collect at the end is the second payout. If you salvage wrecks (in
Your knowledge, skill and presentation are all top flight, but...
When you talk about "Making X,000,000-isk per hour, it's not accurate.
Every EVE you-tuber does the same, you haven't made the isk until it's sold! The only cash in your wallet is from bounties, everything else takes more time to convert to isk, and you (as all you-tubers do) blythely ignore the time this takes, and it can take longer to release the equity than it does to create & collect the loot / salvage.
Even then, the value at the time of salvaging is only an estimate, you might get that price at market, less tax & fees, you might get more or less. But you need to factor in the time it takes to do this before you can realistically state that you have made X-isk per hour.
Please do not take offence, I really felt the need to say this.
I am subscribed, and that for me is rare, I only sub channels I am really confident in.
Thanks for the feedback, and you're right - there is a certain amount of sunk cost in the time spent gathering the materials for sale, and the value of those salvage sales can be maximized based on sale timing and a keen eye on the market performance of those specific materials. That's advanced concepts, though, and this is an introductory video meant to capture newbro attention and educate them to the possible.
Good video, still relevant today! Keep up the work, hope you still play the game HAHA
Hows iron doing these days you guys were fun to fly with when i was with Wild Hunt
Hey Arvinn! Long time no see. Things are great. We're presently having a lot of fun in Low and Null. How're you?
the ships you bring up all have said T1 Angel...so thats not a standard ship??? like the punisher isnt a amarr ship its a faction?
I can see you're confused. The Angel Cartel are a faction of NPC pirates you shoot at to get bounties. The Punisher is an Amarr combat frigate you use to shoot them in High Sec in low-tiered anomalies and in level 1 missions.
so am I supposed to be scanning these sites down first, then running them? so scan, blow up/bookmark, repeat reapeat return industry/drop mtu, return salvage, return with industrial?
Yes
How do you keep aggro off your drones? I know not to initially deploy them until the rats target you, but as soon as the second wave spawns for me they start trying to take out my drones.
Recall your drones, use an offensive mod to draw aggro, then re launch your drones.
You mentioned the forsaken rally points for a specific reason and then I didn't hear the reason.
Forsaken Rally Points spawn the highest number of ships per wave. Better returns for salvaging.
What happens to your ship upgrades if your ship gets destroyed. Do you have to start all over again?
Yes. Your ship, your modules, your ammo, everything in the game is a destructible object. (Except things which aren't, in special circumstances, like system gates, NPC stations, stars, planets, and moons.)
@@JuriusDoctor so I guess it's a case of making money and getting it banked then. Cheers 👍
@@squeakysoliloquy83 yes and no. It's a good idea to have banked money, but successive losses can drain that. Knowing how to build ships, and where you can go (or corporations you can join) to get inexpensive or free ships, and to learn, are successful strategies as well.
@@JuriusDoctor sounds like an awesome game. Think I'll get downloading it this weekend.
How should I go about applying to join your Corp mate? Love the very helpful video’s by the way
Add me on Discord: [FLEEP] Jurius Doctor #8085
Motsu. Level 4 agent available in hi sec and close to Jita.
Very nice video , I have a question is better to do anomalys in HS or Missions lvl 2 (for the moment me standing is let me do only lvl 2) ?
Level 2 missions and HS anomalies don't, to any great degree, offer a ton of reward directly. That said, the big reward for missions at the lower levels is Loyalty Points (LP) which can be traded for goods worth a fair amount on the market, or for blueprint copies which can be used to manufacture goods of worth; also for raising standings so you can run higher level missions which do pay out well. HS anomalies are useful for the fun of playing them, and for the escalations to DED-space sites and rare loot drops (blue and purple). Missions pay out better on the long run, but only if you're using your LP and planning for future scalability in your mission running.
Very useful, tyvm
Wow thx sooo much 😊😊😊
No problem 😊
As someone who has yet to play eve, do you have a different account for each your ratter, your industrial ship, and your salvage ship? Or use all one account and you change between ships?
It depends. Usually additional characters on accounts are reserved for utility roles that don't require your main to be logged in at the same time. (Cyno alts, alt haulers, Incursions alts, etc). At least if you're a member of a null bloc or an organized corporation that relies on multiboxing for their meta - which is pretty much most of EVE.
For multiboxing, I have four accounts. When mining, my primary is in an Orca or Rorqual providing boosts, and the other three are in barges mining. In combat, one is in a dreadnought, one is in a force auxiliary, one is in a carrier, and one is in a battleship.
Sometimes, when ratting, I'll have my primary and secondary accounts in carriers (dual-boxing carriers), and then have one account in a hauler and one in a salvager.
@@JuriusDoctor is there a discord or a place in your alliance for a newb like me?
@@JCRascal14 Join my discord from the CZcams banner and ask Smokey to give you a hand. 👏
12:50 that isnt too bad... imagine being shield buffer tank, getting webbed, pointed and painted, with MWD on and someone firing a bomb that you have weak/no resistances against
**cue coffin dance**
I said “I’m not afraid anymore” once. Then I promptly lost a scouting ship... and the guy with me his destroyer.
There are worse ways to learn to stay on your toes. I always tell new players, "You will lose ships." This is why.
I am a new EVE player, can u pls pls post your 17:20 Fitting Example: T1 Angel Ratter (Frigate, Speed Tank) fit?
[Breacher, T1 HS Ratter]
Damage Control I
Ballistic Control System I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
5MN Microwarpdrive I
EM Ward Amplifier I
Explosive Deflection Amplifier I
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Light Missile Launcher I
Light Missile Launcher I
Light Missile Launcher I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Warrior I x2
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There you go. Be sure to change out the deflection amplifiers so that you're tanking the type of damage the rats you're fighting deal. This one is set for Angel Cartel. It's 70% cap stable and runs about 3,400 m/s with prop on. It's designed for level 1-3 anomalies, and puts out about 70-90 dps with T1 drones and ammo.
Make sure to orbit at about 25 km. If your missiles aren't reaching their targets, or aren't doing a ton of damage, don't orbit closer. Train your Missile Projection and Missile Bombardment skills.
All well and good but how do I reduce the chance of getting ganked in low and nul sec?
Flying Brains in Low, use sentry drones. Drop an MTU, drop sentries, turn prop on, orbit MTU. Warp off if someone lands on grid.
In Null, dock up the moment someone who's not in your alliance enters local.
Great video! How doing te to null sec when im a solo pilot, not in any alliance or corp without constantly getting blown out of the sky?
Very easily... Go into EVE launcher, launch game, open your character in the game client, go to the Corporation window, and filter the corporations based on what you're looking for. I'll make a video.
Is this still 8mil to 15 mil bounties? I only get 150k to 300k running high sec rats. What am i missing?
Can this be done in a normal vexor until you can afford the VNI?
Dustin Deville yes it can!
also how are you finding these sights without a probe scanner?
Dustin Deville press Alt+P in game. This will bring up your probe scanner window. The green sites can be warped to. Warp in at range (~50km)
hedway website doesnt work anymore
fyi you cannot do a combat escalation in that punisher build.... i tried
I would need a few more details to agree with you:
a. What level of combat escalation?
b. Which empire of space?
c. Are your skills for Hull Upgrades, Weapon Upgrades, and Small Energy Weapon trained to V? (I.e. Do you have good skills)
Sorry you didn't make csm15, I voted for ya!
Thanks for the support
Did you mean 100m if someone can match that, not 100k? Not really related to that(as in, not going for 100k), but i just did level 1 site and Shadow Serpentis spawned and dropped Mid-grade Asklepian Omega that has buy orders in Jita for 260m. Took me 1 salvo to kill each ship in my T1 frigate(Atron) from career agent and got 260m, yay. Now if only that guy would spawn every time...
Is this Brian from The Morning Stream?
No, this is Craig from British Columbia, Canada. lol
@@JuriusDoctor Ha! ok, Hi Craig. You have a similar voice. Great Stuff BTW. Watching all the playlists
Good day sir! I just started eve and been playing for 3 days now 6hours per day
Can i know what is a good set up for your punisher?
Im playing amarr
And im doing the military missions exclusively am i doing it right?
hey how much did it cost for the ships u used in this vid?
And for the cheaper ships, do they also work in nulsec
Vexor Navy Issue was what he used to run the site in null .. a faction cruiser, so tech I, but a little more expensive
didn't catch the industrial .. looked like a Sigil
then a Dragoon destroyer as his salvaging ship
.. the latter 2 are bog standard newbie ships
Kazoosc is correct. Vexor Navy Issue, Sigil, and Dragoon. Overall the most expensive ship was the Vexor Navy, which runs between 30 and 60 million ISK for the hull depending on market demand. You can easily reproduce these results with an appropriately fit Arbitrator or Vexor standard issue, if you're looking for a drone boat. For all 3 ships, together, in T1 hulls only, you can expect the cost to fit all three ships being under fifteen million ISK, plus another eleven to fifteen for the Mobile Tractor Units (MTUs). However, doing this method correctly, you can make that back in a few hours in Null Sec.
Because you tube captions claim you call yourself Jerry ass doctor 😂
mmmm looked like you took a bit longer than 30 minutes to clear the site. If you min/max you could get it just under 30min, and taking into account warp times maybe 2 sites per hour, coming to about 80mil/hour, which can be done with level 4 missions when you take into account loyalty points and storyline missions. If you hit it hard for 8 hours on level 4 missions, you can make 1bil.
I get nullsec ratting, in deep pockets nobody bothers you and in bigger more expensive ships you can make isk much faster... but it's not necessarily the only endgame
I never said it was the only endgame. Also, because I carrier rat, it typically takes me 8 minutes per site.
musst be outdated. Loot def worthh more than salvage. 1 blood haven gets about 12-25m in loot 4-9m in salvage
Does the vni fit still good? After the nerfs*
Yes it does, you just need to adjust your play style from passive/AFK to active brawl.
You don’t get suspect for salvaging yellow wrecks only if you loot them
I finally tested it...and the rats banging me in my a** xd
Why? I thought this ship is good for ratting....70m for nothing...
Is there a new fit ?
What are you ratting? Are you using a fit tailored for those enemy's.
@@mreboric8406 Railguns with iron charges, cap battery, cap Richard, armor repairer, and drones
Need someone to show me the rope for this :( I tried myself flopped big time haha
this might be too late but if you still need help send me an eve mail to Borkido Lazair
Is that a Canadian accent I hear?
Voice volume lvl 3
Music volume lvl 17
Blink twice if you're in a library
what specifically ship wise do you use?
Depends. I will either fly a Nidhoggur or Thanatos carrier, a Rattlesnake, an Oracle, or a Gila depending on where I am and what I'm ratting.
I can appreciate the artistic effort in the intro, but it's kinda a different topic and (partly consequently) a bit long winded. Also, telling people what they will perceive and feel is likely to miss the mark more often than you think. A much more powerful way of doing it, is telling them what YOU perceived and felt. Perhaps counter to intuition, this will narrow the gap between you and the listener more than the former. I won't get into the psychology here. I hope you can use this dramaturgical insight, even though you didn't ask for it. Peace.