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- Today I take you through them mysterious fate of The Vatos group in The Walking Dead Universe.
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--Chapters--
0:00 - Intro
0:29 - Story Recap & Deleted Scene Breakdown
4:44 - Possible Suspects
10:13 - Final Thoughts
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Since we only see the elderly among the dead in the nursing home, I always assumed that at some point the Vatos gang realised just how serious things were getting and mercy killed the residents before leaving to try and make it on their own somewhere else.
Isn't "Hector" seen again in Negans gang?
I could be wrong but if I'm right then ur theory could totally be right
@@SidNYoly6438 The actor who portrays him yeah, but it's not the same character.
@@anooseofficer7842 now that's just frustrating, the same actor for 2 characters in the same show🙄
@@SidNYoly6438 I don't think there was a Hector. In any case, I don't think any of the Vatos actors appeared as one of the Saviors
@@SidNYoly6438game of thrones did that with tommen who also played his own cousin earlier lol they also changed the mountain 3 times.
The guys weren’t seasoned street gang members- they were pretending to be. As the elderly lady said, they were good boys. The people who attacked them were likely watching for a while, and realized when Rick and company left that they would be easy targets.
Correct one leader was a janitor other a nurse
Sadly, probably right. They weren’t hardcore fighters who could fight off a well organized group
Not necessarily true I’d argue. Plenty of street gang bangers hold day jobs, I’ve met bikers who coach kids sports teams.
@@KingKhanate1997 good point
@@KingKhanate1997 The thing about the elderly woman is that they WOULD say they were good boys, no? Gang members (especially mexican ones, they hold a very strong familial culture) typically don't involve their parents or loved ones in it. They wouldn't know if they were bad.
But I think here we're meant to have our impression of them defied, in the same way Ricks impression of them was defied. They weren't gangbangers; They were pretending to be to scare people off. Which honestly? I could see working. Ever seen what cartels do to people? Christ.
"Merle"
"Single-handedly"
I see what you did there.
🤯 my God.... genius
@@kyos8462Glenn: 🤯
@@hollyRussell-ji9suif Negan didn’t cap his ass I would have, GD pizza boy ripped me off one too many times…. & I “TIPPED”….
fowl ball
@@hollyRussell-ji9su negan: back to it
@@patrickancona1193 😂
You have to remember the governor FOUND Merle and treated his wounds and reconstructed his hand with the knife. The governor was known to do this style of work to survivors, he was an evil man.
but the prison is in Georga which is an hour or two from Atlanta (in the locations they were in) so I don't think there's any way he could have known about the Vatos gang at all
@@lordaniolistexactly it was just random raiders
@@tonytriplett21 Because in Atlanta at the start of the outbreak, who knows how many groups are still just around any corner. There could be anyone in any building around the city or outside of it.
I know they're almost certainly dead, but I chose to believe the Vatos survived until we get an actual in show confirmation they didn't. Sometimes it's just nice to believe some side characters had a happy ending
The governor killed them. He had the weapons in his office.
Some people don’t even believe it was an outside group the could’ve made the deleted scene canon, simply Los Vatos had a realization and mercy killed all the elderly and dipped. In the walking dead I don’t think anyone has a happy ending, everyone has it rough somehow
Exactly. This show has shown multiple times that nobody is actually dead till they show that person is dead.
@@jonlewis5061 they're literally dead dude
@@goose6619is it confirmed I’m not tryna be an ass I’m just curious
please don’t stop making these! i love hearing someone else break down these super niche lore moments that i usually think others wouldn’t give much thought to. i totally agree it was Randall’s group
Ong he’s the best Twd yter rn
@@hollyRussell-ji9su Vatos episode was aired November 2010. Took him 13½ years to make a video about them? lol
Pretty sure it was Morgan when he was "clearing"
@@deckzone3000 um ok who says he wasn’t a child when it aired 😂
@@snickerskaiser7358Morgan didn’t get to that phase yet
My headcannon is that the Governor killed all of them alongside Merle, and that Shumpert (one of the Governor’s men) was a former Vato (since the same actor played a Vato extra).
Very observant. I took thought that was a prelude to the governor. The Governor books in Atlanta would support that. In 91-92 I worked at Wells Fargo Armored Teller Machines facility at 888 Marietta Street. The Big Red truck facility was nearby. They were bought by Loomis. The white Van Daryl and Carol hid in near Grady was a reminder. So I was familiar with that downtown and set locations. I'm Albert- Welcome to Leith CZcams/Primevideo/ Netflix and banned Biowarfare associate.
( Andrea was devious. Head games. She had provoked Ed into a fight with Shane like a mugger standing behind. So not surprising she was a double agent with the Governor.
And one of the elderly women also played as a resident at Martinez's Camp. Makes me wonder if Martinez was around during the time the Vatos gang was killed off and if he had any relation or history with them.
Maybe someone died of old age and attacked the unsuspecting people there. Maybe the head shots were to those people that were bitten, or mercy killings when they had to flee after the unexpected attacks from dead elderly people. As others pointed out, it was only older people found dead. So everyone else would have to have become walkers and left the area or survived and left the area.
Could be, but the supplies were all gone. So the dead older people were probably killed on purpose, maybe after one Died and turned showing what death means in the apocalypse
@@cameronhermann9400yeah, I agree with you. I haven’t seen this episode in a long time but this sounds very logical. Access to supplies, even in a city that’s mostly walkers, would eventually become difficult to find. Supplies could get tainted or buried under/behind rubble. The supplies would not be replenished with no medical facilities functioning. The Vatos were rendered practically immobile due to the elderly residents’ handicaps, in combination with the terrain and the walkers. It was just a matter of time before accessible supplies would run out. They were living on borrowed time. But at least they made the effort to care for each other for as long as they reasonably could.
I have two potential theories in regards to what my have led to the Vatos destruction.
1: Possibly a rival gang, chances are seen's this is 2-3 months into the apocalypse. That Vatos gang might have had rivals prior to the outbreak and this rival gang is based somewhere in the city and holding out like the Vatos. They heard there Rivals the Vatos gang is alive and got themselves some guns and simply ambushed them and took out the Vatos gang.
2: This second one is more intrigue as is probably not an external group but probably and internal conflict bare with me on this.
Chances are the Vatos gang sometime after Rick left had some internal disputes one group led by Guillermo wanting to continue helping the elderly. While another is led by probably an unnamed Vatos member. They probably had some argument in regards to the elderly and current situation of the gang being stuck there, wasting there time instead of leaving the dangerous dead city. An this group argues that these seniors are "gonna die anyway why are we wasting are meds and food on them as the city is picked clean" and that leaving the city is a better option. This led to a rebellion against Guillermo and practically led to the events that unfolded in the nursing home.
Both really good theories - especially number 2. Every group could potentially have their own Simon or Shane - a mentally unstable dude powerful and influential enough to cause chaos
@@dmongru That is true cause lets be frank here, being stuck in a nursing home full of seniors surrounded by millions of undead in a city full of them ain't the best place in the apocalypse. Those supermarkets and pharmacies ain't gonna be restocked as all the food/Meds is picked clean.
Going out into the country and finding a stable self-sustaining community would be the best option. I won't be surprised if that was the reason on how this group came to an end.
#1 is the most likely. There were other groups in the area that they were wary of.
#2 is less likely just because of the time frame. The Vatos group was likely wiped out the day after Rick's group last saw them. In the deleted scene, Rick's group went back to the Vatos about three days after their initial meeting. That's too quick for the Vatos to turn on their grandparents.
So specific, just say they got ambushed by another group or had internal conflicts in their own group, either turned on eachother or just agreed to do a mercy killing.
But they say it was nothing but elderly people dead . No vatos were seeing .
I've always assumed it was the Governor groups. Simply because He saved Merle who mentiones he was close to dying. Even if Merle had gotten out of Atlanta, he obviously didn't get to far away. So the Governor was in that area. The Governor Killed countless other groups, who hadn't even done anything to him. If the Vatos were hostile towards the Governor and his men, then it would have just enraged him even more. Lastly I feel like the writers were giving us a clue about the Governor. Maybe an early Easter egg as the writers already knew he would be appearing in season 3. Great Videos I love watching them keep it up. 😊
Rick's gun bag is in the gov's "office". I think you see it in the background while he's giving Andrea and Michonne the tour.
@@cheekyrabbit Wasn't it because Andrea had the bag when she got split up after Hershel's farm got overrun? I'm pretty sure she picked it up when she got left behind and was rescued by Michonne.
I remember that Michonne had the bag being carried by one of her walkers when they came across the helicopter crash. The Governor likely had it in his office because Merle or the other guys took it from the corpses while they were being taken to Woodbury.
He would have chopped off their heads at some point to keep for his sick trophy collection.
Yeah after seeing how Merle ended up with the Governor which is why I thought he killed the Vatos.
Though Randall's group could have certainly been responsible too. Another theory was a rival gang or internal issues.
I'd also like to see an update on the Grady Memorial Hospital group.
Most likely they're still functioning. They had a nice set up, zombies couldn't get to them, and they had supplies. Unless they ran out and couldn't get more id imagine they're still there.
Greg Nicotero once said in a Q&A that the residents died at some point
@@Saulbreadmanerred CDC
@@adianezcassola3681 Please be my girlfriend.
I wonder if those cops are still in that hospital. Being so far away it's unlikely Negan group ever met them.
8:34 singlehandedly lol
😂 literally
In season three, in the governors office, we see the same sherrifs bag that the vatos had earlier. This implies that the governors group was in Atlanta, killed the vatos and picked up Merle
I remember the first producer wanted to make Guillermo the governor. I wonder how different twd would've been had frank darbaonet had he stayed
The entire show would have kept that degree of almost movie quality visuals writing and acting the show massively declined in quality after season 1
@@bryannicholas2130 I’d say after Season 2. We still got the mid season barn reveal and then that great string of episodes from Nebraska to when Shane fought Rick.
@@bryannicholas2130The reason season 1 (and 2) wad better written is because they didnt had a 7 episode plot stretched to fit in to 16 episodes,handled by like 20 people retconing and changing character motivations that had been stablished seasons ago.
Besides,Frank wasnt perfect either,hes the reason Andrea was a disposable piece of crap as a character along side Lori.
I think the Governor was Hispanic too in the comics
@@drunkenmmamaster419yes he's probably 🤔 they don't make the governor Hispanic in the show bacause they want a good representation of a minority in good way not as villain and Hispanic are often show as villain's and in crime's in us they're after black in numbers of incarceration and crime rate! As Latino American from abroad Brazil I think it stupid reasons to not have a Hispanic origin governor anyway the actor who did it is Great I can remember his name! But negan is way better!
Good topic for discussion. It's not commonly known, but most of what was filmed for the Season 2 premiere episode (including the Vatos scenes) was axed (due to poor quality.) Frank Darabont fought with AMC to refilm some scenes, but they fired him instead. Ultimately, they pieced together the remnants of (what was intended to be) ep 1 and combined it with (the intended) ep 2 for an extended (90 minute) premiere.
My take on the Vatos' fate is that they were taken out by another steet gang/group. In their season 1 episode, the Vatos group mentioned that there were other dangerous groups in the area. The enemy group would have just had to wait until the Vatos members went out during their daily scavenging missions and then wipe out everyone else. Also maybe lying in wait to ambush the Vatos members when they returned.
It's possible that Darabont had intended for some Vatos members to survive and show up later in the series. However, when Darabont got fired, that wiped out any chance to find out what his plans really had been.
Governor came in, vatos and the mobile elderly escaped and the immobile were executed or left to be eaten by the governor, they escaped and hopefully could show up as minor characters in spinoffs though unlikely
pretty sure an elder folk died at some point and started wrecking havoc. Everyone got infected or ran away.
I thought so too, but most of the bodies had headshot wounds. So that's why the theories imply other people were responsible
I think Randal and those guys at the bar were part of the early Claimers. Especially with their SA on kids whilst parents watch MO... That kinda sealed it for me when what Randal described is what nearly happened to Carl and Michonne Infront of Rick. I guess they just came across it but seems a weird place to hit for the Claimers given their MO's. But then again it's a strange place for anyone to hit who wasn't looking for medical supplies, or saw the guns perhaps. Otherwise why bother going to a nursing home? I really wanted some of the Vatos boys to survive and eventually find the group in a later season. I think it was either a rival gang, or the elderly died naturally and the Vatos didn't understand why they turned and the domino effect unravelled causing chaos
The claimers were prolly just a depleted version of Randall's group, the weaker of the "30 men" died, I wish s2 had more budget and they touched on Randall's group a little more, such a good plot that could be, imagine seeing Rick and shane dealing with a human threat
I always thought that Randals were the Saviors
YES! I ALWAYS said that Dawn’s crew couldn’t have been responsible for a number of reasons, but people insist it was them
I actually think THEY are the least likely contenders here
I agree.Even by the time we meet Dawn's crew,they are not cold blooded killers,but essentially running an extortion racket. Dawn herself
explained that the Mercy hospital cops were still trying to stick to normal moral standards and police policies for some time after the fall
under their police captain commanding officer.It was only when he died,and Dawn as a police lieutenant,assumed command,that the
Mercy cops started slipping into corruption. Dawn allowed her officers to exploit other survivors because they were ready to abandon
their posts after the death of their captain who had provided firm moral leadership. Dawn,unable to enforce the same level of discipline
among her officers,struck a compromise to maintain her authority.
It important to remember that the Mercy cops tried to maintain a level of legitimacy and moral authority among themselves and the survivors
they exploited. They continued to (mostly) act as police officers by using police procedures,equipment, and vehicles,while also wearing and maintaining their uniforms and personal professional appearance.
The Mercy cops were trying to maintain as much of a sense of normacy in a world with no rules,as possible.It appeared that it was important that they could tell themselves and the people they exploited,that they had legitimacy and that survivors "chose" to submit to their own indentured status in return for police protection, as a substitution for the officers being paid by taxpayer funded payroll.
Cold Blooded execution of elders at a nursing home so early into the apocalypse,would seem to be crossing a line that nobody could walk back
from. What would be the point of maintaining the illusion of being cops and looking like professionals if your group has already shown you have
no moral restrictions to your action?
I thought it might be the governor because merle said he would have died had the governor not found him. There's no way merle would have gotten out of the city on his own. Also, when glenn was held hostage on the roof, one of the guys there looks like shumpert. If they are the same person, then maybe shumpert was an inside man for getting the vatos wiped out
The actor that played Shumpert was playing a different character with the Vatos.
@@lastrrr4134 I thought so. I don't remember if I heard that was confirmed, but I take your word for it
Also it’s likely that Merle took the cube van that Rick’s group took to the city
@@lastrrr4134 if Merle took it, then how come he didn't take it back to the camp like Daryl predicted once they found out it was taken? Remember in Season 3 when Merle revealed that he eventually would have robbed the camp if Daryl was with him? If Merle had the van, I'm positive he would have gone after the camp because he didn't know Daryl went back to Atlanta to save him, especially if Merle was recruited by the Governor then I'm sure they would have attacked the camp. The only reason I can think it never happened is because Merle needed medical attention for his hand. Then maybe the Governor's group went back to attack the camp only to find Rick's group already left for the CDC and gave up on trying to look for them
@@KuYa_Boi Merle had amputated his hand and had just cauterized the wound. They found the building where he had treated his wound and had just missed runnning into Merle (the cans of Sterno were still burning, so they would have missed him by minutes - to an hour or two.)
Merle would have been in an incredible amount ot pain. I would expect that he got out of Atlanta and parked somewhere safe, try to find some painkillers, and try to rest his wounds.
He likely would have gone back to the campsite at some point, but after Rick's group had left for the CDC.
It was most likely the Governor and his guys. We know the Governor was in Atlanta around that time (during which he rescued Merle) and we know how the Governor operates
It had to be the governor. Merle mentioned him saving him from near death and I doubt he made it out of the city so they had to have been in Atlanta. And the governor has shown his willingness to kill for supplies. Maybe this was them hinting at his arrival in s3
You’re doing the lords work here sir. 10/10
Didn't think you should cover us. Thanks! Vato is guys but it's more meant as friend, brother, and family all in one word.
Interesting! Sounds even more fitting with how they look out for the elderly and each other
Like homey or homes ... Someone from the neighborhood . That's how I see votos as.
@@lisaowen6103
Los Votos 🖖😎
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Don’t listen to these comments vatos just is dudes in Mexican slang
@@BLASTOISE__ Has way more meaning when you get older.
I like the idea of no one that we know on screen being the ones to commit such crimes. That was probably the whole point of the deleted scene.
You are one of the best Walking Dead content creator keep up the good work
My theory had always been this, this was meant to be a hint to the revelation that everyone is infected at the end of the season.
I think some of the elderly residents died (you know cause they are old and needing medication) and the Vatos not knowing that everyone comes back were caught off guard being attacked by the elderly people who just died hours earlier and those we see shot in the head were shot after reanimation (but because they died of old age there was no external damage) and maybe in the confusion some Vatos members shot still alive members or any numbers of ways it could of went down.
I always thought this too. But it's cool not really knowing and I kinda like the idea that it could have been Randalls group. They were total wankers.
This is really smart
That's a great theory. Maybe one of the elderly died, and the Vatos had to put them all down or something...
@VintageCars999 exactly, imagine how you'd react with none of this knowledge, you were just protecting some elderly people in a crisis, the nice thing to do then one of them who you know wasn't bitten, dies, gets up and attacks your homie.
Maybe there was arguments from some of the gang who wanted to kill the rest of the elderly people to make the location safe for them and the others who wanted to protect them still and then some infighting happens and boom, this stuff goes down.
@@PRESIDENT_LEMON yea I don't recall seeing any of the Vatos shot or dead.
Another great episode! Dude, you're rocking this! I prefer to think it was some unknown group. During the first few months of it, there HAD to be hundreds of scavengers wandering around. The ones we were shown were just a representation of what was out there. More than likely, the group that took out the Vatos were also, likewise, taken out as well not too long after. Infuriating as it is, one of the best things about TWD, especially the early years, is the not knowing. The what ever happened to's keeps me spinning stories in my head. Off topic. I always wondered about the what if's also... What if they rebuilt the prison?
Crazy how I was just rewatching the storyline for this and watching the deleted scene for the first time a day or two ago and then this video comes out just makes everything come together appreciate it 💯
Love what you're doing with these deep dives. This deeper exploration of different smaller stories is what "Tales" could've and should've been.
You’re videos got me back into rewatching the show. Great work you’ve been doing.
Randals group was my guess also. They said they were using the highways before they got plugged up and had to hit the sticks. I always thought woodberry would be to far from Atlanta. They talk about red zones they don’t go into. The military guy says they were basically inside there fences for most of that time jump. It could be like you said a different group of soldiers doing there own thing. With it being the first episode of season two wonder if it was thought about making this group a bigger part of the season? Totally guessing just we see the group for a short time later on and it was cut out of the first episode? They also seemed trigger happy as a group they would waste ammo on the elderly I feel like the governor would say something like save those bullets till you need them or never waste a bullet lol
What makes little sense here is the need for that relatively small bag of guns this early on into the apocalypse.
This gang has pretty much the run of the entire city (a southern city to boot where guns are a way of life for most people). Idk who needs to hear this but America is FULL of weapons and ammunition. This bag everyone wants so badly wouldn't really matter as much as the show wants you to think it would.
Especially since guns only attract MORE walkers and there really isn't any large groups of humans yet to pose a real threat to a gang as large as the vatos.
Medical supplies would've made more sense since those are harder to find and places where they would be stored would naturally have a higher walker presence, like hospitals.
Good point. The guns being taken should be incidental to getting the food and medical supplies so early into the fall.Any group with the guns and
manpower to take out the Vatos would seem to have to make a risk vs reward determination if the bag of guns and ammo was worth expending
the lives and ammo you already have. We have to keep in mind that a random group of survivors would be made up out of people with little to
no tactical or weapons training or experience. Even civilians who know or figured out how to use guns,don't have the mental conditioning to
bare "acceptable losses" to achive tactical goals.
Now. If you are leading a random group of former office workers, college students, and service employees, its gonna be a hard sell getting them
to risk death or wounds (likely resulting in death) to get more guns when you already have plenty of guns.
Guns = power = supplies. Common sense. You can have 2,000lbs of supplies and no guns.. what happens when the bad man shows up? Come on now. A bag with like 30 guns in it and some ammo is a good score. If you give me food, I can eat it and be done with it.. give me a gun? I can possibly procure more food. So on and so forth.
@@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y. but they had guns already. Also, guns = noise = walkers + major city = MASSIVE horde of zombies. Yes guns are important but they're also everywhere. In Georgia, according to the FBI website, there are 304,124 registrated guns there. And those are the ones registered, who knows how many aren't. You're going to find guns all over the place. Now, real medical supplies...that would be in short supply already. And they're entire reason for staying in the city is because the old people they're caring for are SO weak and feeble they can't be moved. Sounds like they need those more then anything else to me.
I'm not saying the guns have zero value, I'm saying they're hardly worth all that trouble. They're risking a lot to chase after a fairly small bag of easily obtainable weapons and ammo.
I love these small c plot stories explained or questioned keep it up can’t wait to see the next one
I've always wondered why, with so many psychos and survivalists in Rick's group's region, there was never a person or a team of people stalking them. In the areas they had passed before Alexandria, why didn't they ever get jumped? It would not have taken much for a trained person with a rifle or a stealthy individual to break into the prison.
Glad I found this channel! Always wondered what happened to these guys. Will check out the other videos for sure!
Love this content and the frequency of your uploads
just stumbled across your videos and I love your content! Great videos to watch while drawing ! I hope you make more environmental storytelling videos because I love those little background details in the show and always felt those moments were memorable haha
man i’m LOVING ur channel man
Dude thank you I love the humor of these guys
Yo Ty swell you have officially earned the spot as not just my favourite twd universe CZcamsr but my favourite CZcamsr keep up the amazing content I think you should make a video on what happens to padre after ftwds ending
These theories be darker than under my bed💀🙏🏿
Grady Memorial Hospital would be my best bit.. With maniac Gordon and crazy McDonell in charge of the streets, a lot of s*** could've happened..
This was cool. Thanks for doing it.
Awesome work, once again. Also, I'm eagerly looking forward to part 3 of the Saviors saga: All Out War.
the governor possibility depends on when exactly he lost his wife and daughter and found Merle because if it was him it would be between the two events, the national guards couldn't get that tank through the streets and who knows if it would start, we never got much proof of the size of Randel's group, the terminus group is a big possibility too
Yay! Was waiting for this one. Loved the Vatos boys! ❤❤❤
Bro, i love your work. KEEP IT UP ❤❤❤
I’ve always thought the Vatos Gang was slaughtered by the Saviors, but it doesn’t make sense since Negan was hunkered down in a basement with Lucile for seven months, while Rick woke up after his coma two months into the apocalypse.
Boom!!! Another great one...
This is Great! Your Videos are the Best, so much so, I cancelled my cable, Keep up the Fanastic work!🙌💎
I think you’re spot on here. Almost had to be the group that Randal/Tony/Dave were from. Until the end of season 2, I thought that group would eventually find the farm and have a showdown with Rick and Co. Would’ve been awesome imo
I agree with u .. I think u hit the nail on the head with this 1 .. love these vids 🎉
I love that they added the scene of them returning to netflix, it adds more to them, leaving Atlanta
Did they really? I’ve never seen the episode with the scene included
I've been marathoning the show on Netflix and the scene was not included
Love your content. This proves a large part of surviving in this world is pure luck, which is quite sad.
Guillermo went and became a Navy Seal😂
Vatos got cocky and brought in wrong attention to their base
Great take brah. I completely forgot about Randles group. I think it was an inside job. Someone old probably died and turned, the group had to take it out. Then after that incident it divided the vatos. Someone in the group stoked the flames of fear about helping the old and dying was too dangerous
It's crazy we never saw them again
Nice video new sub I loved vatos
I mean it can be possible if someone inside the nursery did a mutiny, say if an elderly person dies and at this point not everyone would know how someone who isn’t bitten would turn if they died naturally or suffered an injury to the head. The people just went chaotic not sure if someone was bit in their group so just a massacre occurs. Maybe some survivors just came across it before Rick and the herd knew it was ripe for picking or a survivor did manage survive the chaos and took all the remaining supplies. It’s just a theory ofc, but it’s so fun to think about how these stories and background events occur with the audience just wouldn’t pay attention or give it much thought.
Ok now you have to do a video about tomas and the prisoners before ricks group took over the jail
They were in jail, then they killed a guard and locked themselves in that little area when all hell broke loose, that’s it.
@@joe_mmamaa bro the vatos had about the same amount of story and he still made a video about it so 🤷🏿♂️
@@tuff3jay the prisoners were deadass locked in a room until ricks group found them, there’s no story there.
@@joe_mmamaa same thing with the vatos. They locked themselves in a old folks home to protect their family until ricks group showed up but dude still made a video about them even after years of finally knowing what happened to them
You know a show is damn good the writing season 1-5 when it’s 10+ years old and STILL talked about
I really liked the vato gang
Was talking with the vatos a bit, what the fauq this pops up on my watch 😂😂.....😢 fauq man always wanted to see more on the vatos
I don't think it's unlikely that it was the Governor because they did pick up Merle from that area around that time.
I think it was intended to be foreshadowing for the governor but in season 3 they obviously decided for different direction for woodbury and the governor.
I remember watching this episode and was like “Whoa that’s Hector!”
I always figured it was the governor and his group since they were the ones who found Merle in the first place
I would say … it was the vatos imploding in general. Early on the vatos probably didn’t know when the seniors would die a normal death they’d regenerate into walkers so it could’ve spread to a large chunk of the nursing home and from there the leftover vatos probably decided to go everyman for themselves and grab as much supplies as possible. While some deciding to give the leftover seniors a quick and easy death with a shot to the head and fled.
Maybe the Vatos were taken out by a group of rival gangsters maybe like the ones from fear the ones that shot at nick maybe they were battling each other way before the turn and when it happened they seen an opportunity but also grabbed the guns from them also why we don’t see the leader maybe he was kidnapped by them and that’s why his group fell when he was taken by the other gangsters
Is there enough environmental storytelling to talk about the small office building areas Abe and Sasha end up where Abraham finds the military uniform?
I’ll definitely look into it!
Honestly I wouldn't take a deleted scene as canon. But in my opinion it was a gang still operating, I mean there would be a lot of pre apocalypse criminal groups still around
After watching the spin-off "The Ones Who Live" It was definitely the CRM (or back then "the Pennsylvania National Guard")!
So to add to What you said in your video I always thought in my head Canon and I also thought this was a missed opportunity for the series. Had always thought that Randall's group were prototypes of what would eventually become the Saviors. Especially in comic book Canon the sabers started off as a survival group that was lead and did horrible crap to people before Negan took charge pseudo civilized it. I always thought there should have been a call back, maybe negan explaining to the captured alexandrian's or to Rick himself about what their group was before him and to hint that Randall's group being the OGs. One of the things that they missed out on I feel like now they're doing with the miniseries is kind of since they knew more of the plot. Thanks to the comics, kind of tying together loose ends that would have made sense like this.
It may have been the governor as he would have been in the area to pick up Merle meaning they were strong enough to make day trips to Atlanta
I said the same thing and they were scavenging around and found the vatos place executed them and took there stuff
My guess would have been the CRM bc they are Military and they would have the weapon's and training to pull off an assault, in both World Beyond and The ones who live we are told that the CRM gather resources for the city to advance their goals
crm wasn't established yet even "in Canon"
Would be a cool twist if they were taken out by the Governor and his group
I believe there's a moment when they are going past where the vatos were and there was a pile of burnt body's at front of the building . It's quick but I notice it every time I watch the show . Looks just like where the vatos were staying.
For the national guard, unless they had people properly trained to drive an operate that tank (meaning their MOS was 19k, also referred to as tankers) they wouldn’t have gotten far with the tank. Also, those tanks suck fuel, to the point it’s gallons per mile, not miles per gallon, and they also have the shortage range of any land vehicle in service with the US military (meaning they drive the shortest distance on a full tank of gas). They would also need something to sustain themselves, typically you’re looking at individual sustainment of 72 hours if they get proper notice. Meaning the individual soldier can sustain themselves for 72 hours with little to no resupply, including food, water, and ammo. If they went through all of their supplies and then some, they would be hurting just like everyone else. Once logistics break down/fail so does your military. So at about 2 months, they definitely could be hurting for supplies.
I was hoping they give closure to the Vatos, since they kinda just vanish into thin air. I like them, the leader especially. Kinda wished he joined Rick somewhere like Morgan did.
My theory was that one of the weak and sickly elders died and turned one night then set a chain reaction like how it was in the Prison.
I was secretly hoping during the Negan era we'd see them come out of nowhere and save/help Rick's group fight Negan. Would have been a nice callback, as the people playing the Vatos were really good actors. Wishful thinking I know.
I like to think that overtime the elderly saw how much toll and time it took for The Vatos to care for them during the outbreak decided that they lived their time and decided to go out on their terms. Either by finding a way out of the stronghold and into walkers or simply choosing a option that would not make it more difficult for the Vatos.
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Or a more darker theory is that there was a internal conflict between them and during a conflict the leaders elder got in between the two sides and someone accidentally killed them leading to an all out slaughter that only left a handful of people left. The survivors realizing that there is no point staying packed up what they can carry, took care of the bodies, and left the city and try their luck in the country or coast.
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Or maybe one of them decided to take advantage of the elderly with Alzheimer’s or dementia and lead them outside telling them that they are going to meet with their relatives and left walkers take them as not to spend so much resources on them
There was an episode later in the series right before Rick, Carl, and michonne walked into Morgan’s trap where you see a burned body with a gold tooth. I always thought that was Guillermo because they focused on that gold tooth.
Governor definitely did it... Merle stated that he was picked up by him when he was bleeding out. Merle wasn't gonna get far with his hand chopped off.
Started rewatching yesterday and forgot this group
Shoulda been utilized more tbh
Never too late…I’d like to see Morgan come across some of the main characters in finding Rick and tell them about Rick and remember he was a good guy 👍 I think that would spice things up a little in the story and give us more of an answer when it comes to the ‘Los Vatos’
You should do an episode on the dead kids michonne found
What if (and I’m not sure but it could be) it was Simon’s group before they made contact with negan, because Simon seems like the type of person to kill old people in cold blood and take their shit and run.
Violent gangs in TWD that do what they want would be a dime a dozen. Such gangs would also start culling each other, or merging to become the size of the Saviours.
I like the idea of Randals group, but I think it was the Vatos themselves. Maybe one of the elders died, came back, and attacked. Showing everyone what happens when you die, but it not. They probably shot the elderly so they wouldn’t come back and didn’t want to live in that building with the guilt.
What about Joe and the Claimers? That group was pretty ruthless
A: most likely eaten and turned trying to thug it out and hold down the block.
Bro, i love your work. KEEP IT UP ❤❤❤. Btw, i thought that the wolves did It, but they are too far from Atlanta, but the Governor's teory seems good, there is and actual book series that talks about the origin of the governor, and even t'ho in the books there are no mentions, It could be that in the series, the governor DID kill them all
Something that wasn't touched on was that one of the elderly could've died due to natural causes. Which would've turned them. Causing panic in the gang. Im not sure how the rest couldve played out. But it couldve been a start as to why the place is no abandoned.
I absolutely what you did with Merle.
I didn't expect Merle to be so "high up" on the list. Infact, I never, ever considered him a possible candidate for the topic at hand!
"Could Merle have single handedly taken out the entire group by himself?" was really excited to hear what you had to say about Merle!
"Well, simply put.... not a chance" -.- damn, that was way out of left field. i..... i really didnt know what to say....... but i knew how to react and that was to laugh my ass off
It's just so funny how you caught my attention when you mention Merle, only to rather bluntly say that he's an automatic write off ToT
It is now my head cannon that it was infact Merle that took out the Vatos gang ;)
I think the intention was the governor, bur they realized the timing didn’t work so that’s why the scene was cut.
I like to think it was another unknown hostile group marauding around the Alanta area in the early days of the outbreak. It should have been included, because of the unknown, and to show that already, hostile groups are attacking and killing good people, or groups.
I had figured it being the Governor as he also found Merle. I don't think they specifically said where they met but after reading some of the comments i think maybe one of the elderly people died and turned then started munching on the others. I guess confusion ensued and the Vatos had to put the rest of them down. They may have escaped... or not.
But yeah ideally Randalls group may have done it. It was sad as i thought we'd see more of them.
I still like the Governor theory the most. Randall's group could also make sense, as they could have been teased somewhere. But the Governor actually makes a lot of sense to me. First of all, there's Merle, who said himself that he would have died if he hadn't been found. Of course, it's not really clear where exactly the Governor and Merle met, but for me it was always pretty unbelievable that Merle made it out of Atlanta.
I have to say that I think it's quite plausible that the smaller group of the Woodbury soldiers would have made it through Atlanta and taken out the Vatos group. If the Atlanta camp made it through Atlanta, the Woodbury group would make it too. In addition, what they did to the soldiers in S3 was probably their way of getting supplies from the start. So why not go straight to Atlanta, where a ton of military stuff lying around? The Governor has also shown that he has always planned such encounters well and tried to manipulate his opponents, making them feel safe. This meant that he could fire the first shot every time, which would have killed the Vatos' defensive front. So if it had been a group we knew, I would guess the Govenor’s.
But it was most likely just someone. What I think even more is that they wanted to show with the episode that the group will have to prepare themselves to fight not only the Walkers as enemies in the future. That they cannot trust everyone.
It was also much smarter to end S1 with them being out of Atlanta. Instead of them still being there in S2.
But I think there was also drama because of AMC and the first producer, which is why the episode didn't come out in the end.
But what always irritated me the most was that we didn't see the leader lying dead somewhere. There was also a theory for a while that he was still alive and would join the group. I would have accepted it. He definitely had potential.