(pros and cons) Inmotion v11 King Song s18 Testing
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Totally agree with you Chooch. I've been riding the V11 on some dirt trails like in this video and it's fantastic. I can bomb down the trails that would normally be awful on my MSX/MSP. I'm not a jumper so I haven't put any pads on it (yet).
This is a true testament to the V11’s wheel of the year win. CHOOCH Approved
Let's properly call it what it is... CHOOCH PADS for the V11!
What are pads in this context? Is it for under your shoes?
Used to prefer your city riding videos but you made me change my preference. I really enjoy the mountain biking style rides now. Keep having fun!
Awesome Info Chooch, I knew there was a reason why I was attracted to the V11. You flowed over the terrain like a Caterpillar on an Armadillo's back, it looked effortless & smooth.
Very impressed Chooch 😜👍👍
And imagine - the production V11 is going to have 200W more power and the addition of negative suspension valves. That can only mean even more buttery torque and responsiveness!
WE got a v11 convert!!
Praise almighty Inmotion!
Ed Keosada lol
Ed Keosada Hi there are you a V11 owner? Or an Inmotion fan boy who loves there products, just curious as I'm yet to make my mind up on these two wheels for my next purchase.
@@kingkorey6526 neither, I have S18 ordered. 😏
Sick Chooch! Very well done. Ordered my V11 in June. I’m told they are still 6 weeks out. 😂
I cried tears of joy. Glorious! Keep it up my friend.
Anxiously waiting your full review for the s18. Nice vid!
Great video, so happy to see a skilled rider give it a go with some padding. Excited to see what you can do once you dial in the suspension.
Awesome riding. Great place to ride. I received my v11 2 weeks ago. Super smooth and quiet. I ride on the street. I wish I could find a place like your riding at.
hey Chooch, 2 yrs ago I got into EUC and bought my 1st EUC KS 16s because of you. Now I am ready for an upgrade. I was leaning at getting KS S18 until your opinion in this video. You brought out a very crucial point in your comparison. While turning tight corners, V11 may get pedal scrape at about 45 degree lean whereas KS S18 WILL cut out before pedal scrape. I 'd rather have pedal scrape as a safety warning than getting out off before pedal crape and getting face plant. This KS S18 leaning cutting out before pedal scrape is a deal breaker for me. So V11 it is. Of all the EUC reviewers your opinion is the most objective, practical and honest and you are an expert in this. Kuji Rolls while testing S18 pedal scrape did get cut off before pedal scrape and he commented it as if it is a good thing !
William in Toronto (really lonely up here....never seen another euc in the past 2 years of riding to work)
Im here man! Many of us EUC riders in T.O!
I guess the 45 degree declination is to the actual surface (e.g. already inclined plane), not to the horizontal plane. It means it will cut-off, when you are declined so much you are going to fall. It is not going to happen on a sloped turn. The level of the wheel-rider system is already inclined so you have to subtract the angle from the 45 degree limit, if you want to count it to the steady water level.
@@fucosk Hypothesis aside, I go for the evidence base. Kuji Rolls on KS S18 got cut out while going in tight circle trying to scrape the pedal and he got thrown off. That's not good.
@@williamCmd I hear what you're saying but the point that Chooch raised was about taking banked corners and the potential for cutouts. Very different scenario to tilting the wheel on a flat surface.
@@porallen I agree. The tilt angle is sensed internally by the inertial motion unit in the electronics. It does not sense angle, is senses inertial angle. So at very low speeds it senses angle to the ground (Kuji test) but on a banked corner it adds/subtracts angle from the inertial cornering forces ie centrifugal force.
So during hard cornering the wheel can be more than 45 degree tilt and not cut out. Very slow cornering it might cut out at 45 degrees.
Anyway if Kingsong realise this is costing them sales they cannrelease a firmware update to fix it. Same as In motion did to increase the v11 top speed. 🙂
Very nice, thanks for the review. I was surprised you liked the V11 so much. Also it's great to see a vid from you with voice-over.
You da man. That's the vid I've been waiting for. V11 in my future as soon as a few make it down under to AU and then West. If Ewheels shipped international I'd order through your link.
Get signed up with a few international distributors too or direct from Inmotion as I have no doubt a whole lot of the global sales will be because of you and your vids.
Hey Chooch, great vid as ever. You mention about the batts in a none sus euc rattling around after hard riding on rough terrain, looking at the design of the v11 the motor, batts and board are not suspended only the rider is. If you can ride harder over rough ground you better hope the long term construction good.
My msp is protected by my lack of ability to ride over gnarly ground, hopefully my batteries will stay put.
Keep up good work buddy and kudos to you and yours.
Damn dawg, i like those trails! No trees to get in the way 😅
Great video. You have just made me make my decision. V11👌
The issue of V11 is the quality,wheel bent,motor malfunction,low quality bearings and tire as well.
great video. i haven't watched you in a while, the quality of your videos are SO MUCH higher than I remember in all aspects. (except content, that was always pretty good)
Just epic mate. I think im sold on the V11 even more and more now. Thanks for you awesome reviews . That place looks amazing and is exactly my style of riding for sure. So theV11 will be the one to order i think.
Same here Neal!
Awesome review and test. I was going to buy the S18 but was hesitant. After watching your video, the purchase was done for the Inmotion 11.......Awesome video performance and test. You sold it man. You the man.
Enjoy it bro, excited for you. Think you will enjoy it for years to come
I love love love this review! Thanks so much! Subscribed for sure! 😁
great content and display of skill (as usual)
Just bough the V11 and love it
V11 is coming . I’m so excited for it =)
Great stuff! I want a suspension euc. Then I can jump from really high places and make more fun videos!
Mr Choooooch this looks like so much fun. Never thought you'd favor the V11 over the S18, that says a lot🤔
@@eveoff i can't tell.. wish i could tho lol
@@eveoff right, so that's not saying much... What about overall? How big are the drawbacks of a v11 on a more extreme trail? With pads on it, i dont think there'd be that many? Not being able to scrape the KS S18 pedals was the straw that made me switch my reservation to a V11.. Scraping is usually how i know to stop leaning, i dont want cutouts to be my sign. That and the fact it's got batteries integrated into the stater :O why has no reviewer mentioned this?
Marek Varga i be riding my v11 while you picking up pieces behind and glue them back and will ride when you keep charging youre belove ks😂🤣
@@eveoff Thanks for the writeup :) great points. Wish i could have both lol, but i think i'll stay with the v11, and ride my old KS16x on rocky trails / rainy days
@D Mark if you go to inmotion's website, that's what they say. i asked Jason, and he said it was a mistranslation. I looked up a disassembly video, and that put everything to rest
Interesting pads you made up quick here¸ they seem to be effective enough without going crazy!
Could you please make a video to share your knowledge and experience with (jumping) pads?
Yes. Please explain it more in debt - looks fantastic!
The power pads really turn the wheel into something different. I just put power pads on my MSX now I will never ride another unicycle without power pads.
You can change angle cut off points in the S18 software using EuC world.
I'm leaning towards the s18 esp since I'm seeing post about issues with the latest batch of v11. Still undecided, my local store will have stocks by 2nd half of the month
good review, there are enough details.
You made the V11 look so boss on the trail! But the S18 was no slouch and looked like it had a lot of advantages like being more nimble, probably because it's lighter and suspension design/travel favors off-roading. The V11 just looked planted and was eating up the trail. I went with the V11 as a new rider being about 185 lbs and older (i.e., less limber). I thought the V11 was the better fit for me. No jumps right away, just want cruise and get over curbs and rough roads. But I think the S18 will be my second wheel after I gain some skills, so I can have be best of both worlds! (PS: If I was a younger, lighter rider, I'd probably go for the S18 first. So many wheels, so little time! (and money ;-))
Chooch, thanks for the videos. You have inspired me to order the v11. Can you tell us anything more about the pads you made? What type of adhesive did you use?
Can the cut off angle be changed through software? Seems unsafe for it to shut down before the pedals touch the ground.
I crashed with my V11 after making adjustments to the suspension. Bruised my ribs, hip, and back of shoulder. Was wearing pads, but I think the dirt bike armor is better protected in a crash, especially if you are older and less agile. I bought one but didn't use it sine I was just trying to get a feel for the ride. With one fall and one crash of just the v11, everything is still in tack on the ECU. My crash was just trying to stay on the thing, pretty much balancing while turning and riding off the side walk where I lost my balance. I will most likely buy the side pads for better grip and control on the machine. I saw them on Aliexpress.com for $77 to $80 dollars. They are design for the Inmotion V11. The flaws I see on it is the saddle under the handle. When I took them out to adjust the air suspension the plastic hole the screw goes through just broke off for no apparent reason. And on my first crash, the other side broke off as well. These are both on the rear.....the tail light end. I think Inmotion should build a metal housing into the saddle for this to better hold in place. I don't know if any other riders have had this issue or took notice of it.
Where you going fast? I'm looking to buy my first and I'm around middle age so I'm not young, I'm not fit either lol. Though I'm not big
I would really like to know what specific material you used for the pads.
Hola, chooch tech, buen video saludos.
Una consulta que tipo de cámara 360 estas usando? y el dron que versión es dji? Porfa
Not a lot of cons, just a lot of pros! A few points of comparison were made, but i'm still unclear... Which one do you prefer?
I didn't like the "rabbit" bounciness of the v11, it almost bounced me off a few times. But with jump pads, i'm rethinking my KS S18 order...
Dooope! Hey Chooch, what is the name of this trail? I'm based out of Louisville (CO, not KY lol) and have a V11 coming my way next month. This looks like the perfect place to put the thing to the test! The Coal Creek Trail is too damn flat. After seeing a trash review for the S18 earlier today, I couldn't be more confident that I made the right choice by sticking with InMotion for my upgrade.
Gotta add pedal spikes next buddy!
Poor water on it and see what happens ? Is it OK with hard rain?
I wonder if the s18 had jump pads installed just like what you did with the inmotion.. would that even things out a lil more when it comes to smoothness and better track ability?
Where are the batteries in the V11, attached to the saddle or the wheel frame? I didn't expect the battery issue to be different.
Chooch what range do u think u could get out of the v11 doing 25-30 miles a hour in your opinion. .?
Too short man! Need more infos, v11 is a cruiser that we get, which do you like most? Which performs better for off-road? The rabbity sensation, is it getting out of control sometimes (I do think so)
where can I get the materials for those foot pads?
Nice kicks, man.
Curious about gear for the v11.
What sort of shoes do you recommend for the v11? That, plus the helmet, are my biggest unresolved purchases.
I'd assume the best shoes are hightops, like yours? Are those armored?
New rider, got all my gear, excited for the batch 2 v11 to arrive here in NorCal, likely September, eWheels has said.
But yeah-- shoe wise, what do you think?
So far I like the
Leatt elbow pads,
TourMaster AirIntake 5.0 jacket,
Hillbilly fingerless gloves,
187 killer knee pads,
& S1 skate helmet
that I've got.
The Leatt Zip 5.0 kneepads I got don't fit, but I think I'm going to try their nonzip 6.0 pro pads, as they look to have better protection and larger sizing, says customer support.
I also bought the Bell MX-9 MIPS helmet, which I think looks dope. However, I'm worried it may be too heavy. Folks have recommended the Bell Super 3R, but I'm hesitant about the removable chinguard. Seems to be an unnecessary safety compromise, for more money.
I don't know. Like I said, I'm a total euc noob, but after long consideration, decided to go all in. Ordered the v11 and got the gear listed above. I'm sure I'll always be tweaking my setup, but, I want to start off right. 👌
Thanks for any insights.
I use a Ruroc RG1-DX. Its a snow boarding helmet, but I like its smaller form factor with a removable faceplate which is nice for drinking or eating. Not too heavy.
It seems you really like the V11! You seem to prefer it for that specific track but I'm curious, if you could only pick one of the two, the V11 or the S18, for your style of riding, which would you prefer? Would you still say that the S18 is the most fun wheel?
I'm very curious also! 😁
Nice 👍
If you’re not jumping, would stock (no pads) be enough for a while?
yea definitely
You link to get the EUC is that USA based? I’d rather buy through US based like myINMOTION.com thanks for the great reviews!!!
That’s just a shell site for Euco. They are great tho
good contents like the comments !👌🏻
I'm not a fan of any wheel just deciding to cut out because of a corner turn .. why the heck would they make that part of the design? Probably a "safety" feature ... but if newbies don't know about this, it could spell disaster for some. I'd say leave it up to the rider. Even more reason I'm leaning towards the V11 for my first wheel purchase vice the S18. Great channel.
been advocating for 4 and a half years for the companies to fix 45 degree cut off, its a safety feature so if you fall off the wheel it doesn't rev up full speed and keep slamming itself into the ground. I want a jet ski type cord you plug in to the wheel and when you fall it pulls a pin and deactivates the motor. simple way that wouldn't require sensors in the plates
@@choochtech Let's hope someone out there is listening to ya!
Get the sherman veteran dude
@6:30 about batteries clattering? You sponsored?, i know youre a great rider so please explain cause physics dont add up :-)
The INMOTION only dampens the PEDALS = RIDER weight is damped. Batteries take the same hit as any wheel as they are mounted unsprung in the chassis that rest on the wheel axis.
It does NOT dampen the batteries NOR shell (as opposed to s18 which is going by racing rules of minimal undamped mass, aka it dampens rider+chassis+batteries+mainboard...
everything but the impossible...rim and tyre ;) )
He is talking about the MSP, he said if he was going at the speed down the same trail he was riding the V11 on, the batteries of the MSP will break free of the tape and start clattering inside.
he did not mean the batteries on the V11.
One fact that never seems to get a mention in any reviews is that the app that supports the v11 has an abysmal rating in the app store (2.2 stars). My personal experience has me wishing I had gone with the Kingsong, it's that bad.
I have rode for 5 years and maybe used the app three times for all my wheels. What do you need the inmotion app for? Use darkness bot app
The app should be used to set it to top speed calibrate once and never open it again in my personal opinion
@@choochtech Definitely agree with you, I don't need the app almost ever. However, the drawback is that I'm stuck using the factory firmware still after trying to update several dozen times on 3-4 different devices. Gave up but I'm still having a blast on stock FW.
@@jordanestabrook4492 keep that firmware for a bit anyways I always update late in case of a problem. Hope you get it solved man, have fun and be safe!
@@choochtech thanks, you as well!
Yo Chooch, is this your sentiment just for this particular trail, or are you gonna end up buying a V11 over the S18? Help me decide! lol
Comes down to one thing...do you need more range then 20miles...if yes then get a V11
@@Kay0Bot Flyboy got over 40 miles on his S18, and he weighs about 150 lbs. I ain't that much heavier, and there will have an external power bank available sooner or later.
@@madsfartagin2864 yea I am 90kg so that 40 would more likey be 28miles.
That external battery is the same pack for their scooters and has to be hardwired in.
@@Kay0Bot I have not read anything that says it has to be hardwired in. Everything I see from eWheels as well as KS says it just plugs into the charging port. Easily removable if you want to save the 4.5kg for short rides.
@@madsfartagin2864 oh I guess it can be done that way. forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/12483-king-song-battery-bank-for-extra-range/page/2/
This video is misleading. The jumping performance of the s18 is better than the v11 because of the better suspension and weight.
Now, this type of trail maybe I could do. Anything crazier..no
its such a crappy decision the V11 seems the best but the S18 looks so much cooler
Go back with the Sherman
I like your reviews so please don’t get offended by constructive criticism.
There is no need to keep endlessly saying in the entire name of each wheel (if I were playing a drinking game I’d have been unconscious by the end😂) every time and sometimes twice in one sentence, it makes you sound like an infomercial and would be a lot easier to listen to if you said the full name only when needed (the start) for clarification and referred to them as V11 and S18 or In Motion and King Song.
Secondly, although you say in that both are excellent you made a bold statement that you could do 3x more laps on the V11 than on the S18 but you couldn’t say why, If the margin is that great there has to be a reason otherwise it makes you sound biased.