9 years later and I'm following in your footsteps . There is a lot of hidden cost in pcp air gunning , bought riffle $260. Bought pump $50 Shortly after buying the pump I realized it's not good to pump moist air that means taking it ro the woods with you is only good in the heart of summer . I bought a tiny bottle .45 liters and am pumping at home so I've got some dry air Next is to buy a compressor for around $ not a cheap hobby coming from breakbarrels and co2
The pump I use in the video has a water trap that needs venting regularly. A small bottle is a good compromise Jason. A compressor will make life much easier! :-)
I'd be curious to see the pump put on a scale to see how much weight must be applied for strokes at different pressure levels. You could then formulate an electric motor/gear reduction to turn it into an electric pump of sorts. Thanks for the video, very informative!
I take it you are a air rifle hobbyist. And your point of view comes from that. I myself come the paintball view. And have seen this done before by other paintballers.But this is first time I seen some one fill a tank to 300psi. And that it took only 3 and a half hours with 375 pumps. Is amazing.
jason arce Hello Jason, I wanted to see exactly how long and how many repetitions it would take to fill a bottle. I do have air rifles and that is what I use the pump for. I reckon a fitter person would do it in much less time!
+Russell Platten Well it was definitely interesting to watch the video to get a good idea of the process. But if you do this regularly it's one way to get to a more fit with this workout, also as you stated a few times during the video is that the pump has to cool down (keep in mind that the internal seals will reach a much higher temp than the outside). One thing that may help both you and the pump is have a fairly powerful fan force some air circulation around both you and the pump, probably best not to do this outdoors though as you might blow up dust from the ground and suck that into the pump cylinder more than needed. Also one thing which I didn't pay close attention to, did you bleed the line between pumping sessions? I usually pump for 4-5 minutes myself, bleed it and take a break while the pump can cool down to refill my air rifle. And once I get above 200 bar I kinda have to cheat and grab a backpack that has a few full water bottles in there to get the pressure up to the max rated 232 bar of my air cylinder on the rifle. I'm guessing you live in the UK based on your accent, chances are humidity is usually pretty high then similar to what I'm getting by living in coastal region. If you keep pumping without bleeding the line between sessions odds are you might be building up a lot of moisture that may end up inside your tanks. You'll still get some in there if you bleed it between pumping sessions but it should drop significantly, if you've pumped your tanks this way frequently by now I'd be curious to know how much water is actually in there.
It doesn't work like that. You need to take brakes to let the pump cool down. If you shoot pcp rifles you should know that. You damage the seals in the pump that way.
i think most people just get a large tank and use that for refills. like a small scuba tank. but there are these. www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=electric+paintball+fill+station&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aelectric+paintball+fill+station
If I ever were to have a reason why I would need high-pressure air like this, I would buy a large air tank and then I would do just a little bit of work at a time, even over a period of several days, rather than all in one shot. I actually like human-powered devices and procedures like this, so if I ever had an air rifle which is charged this way I would have just as much fun experimenting with the pump and the air pressure as with the gun. This video is very interesting because I actually like physical exercise which is used to power machinery which does useful work. I have always been interested in human-powered electricity as well.
@@RussellPlatten Can you explain in words, rather than symbols, what you mean by your expression :-)? I do not understand those codes. I have another idea about the hand pump: Supposing that there were a high-pressure human-powered air compressor to be made for foot power, complete with foot pedals? I have already done experiments with human-powered electricity.
@@MyNathanking :-) is a smiley face. : eyes - nose ) mouth. All of the powered compressors are driven by motors so it should be possible to convert one to pedal power, but it would be hard work and slow. :-)
@@RussellPlatten Yes, I know it would be hard work and slow to charge an air tank with a pedal-powered 3000 to 4500-PSI pump, and that is why it is valuable mainly for experimental purposes and not for everyday application. Of course you could theoretically jury-rig a high-pressure stirrup pump to a gear-reduction mechanism, but I am not sure how good this would be for the pump which would be designed to operate by more precision hand motion. This is why I think that the best human-powered high-pressure pump would be one which is specifically designed to operate on pedal power, and it would also have to be a rotary pump as opposed to an oscillating pump. It also would have to be equipped with a lot of metal on it to serve as a heat sink. The pump would also have to have a flywheel on it, and geared to accept a power input revolution typical to that of the rear sprocket of a normal bicycle. Now, as a final thought to this comment, I hope that I am thinking more reasonably and rationally --- even if my ideas are quirky --- than the people who think they can charge scuba tanks using their garage air compressors. At least I hope I have a grip on the complications that are entailed with human-powered air compression to max 4500 PSI and how the human-powered equipment for doing it would have to be built to compensate for those complications.
@@MyNathanking my God don't you think you put way to much thought into a simple hand pump product. Seeing you have to actually pull the handle all the way up and push it all the way down. This is high pressure air which creates high temperatures in the bottle and pump so you have to do it in sessions with breaks to allow the cool down effect. This in essence is a bomb once it's filled which means it is not smart to experiment with this in anyway or fashion. Just follow the directions and be responsible when handling anything with this type of energy, explosive power. People have died for not respecting the dangerously high air pressures involved in filling and storing air in high pressure vessels. I hope you were not foolish and followed through with any of your dangerous ideas. I'm 3 years late to this thread which means you had a lot of time to have caused yourself a bad or deadly injury. People just follow instructions
Ive got exactly same setup, apart from the rug. The gague on my bottle is identicle and also reads more than the pump. Think im going to replace with new gague as dont trust it
I see no one answered your question so if it's still not too late, here I go: Regular compressors (for car tires for example) have two big problems. One - they are made for volume rather than pressure, especially that high bars. And second - they fill up very quickly so the tank could possibly blow up instead or at least extremely overheat. So you would need a kind of special compressor, that can make 300 bar pressure and have a slow air flow. Those exist too, but are worth (at least in Europe) a couple thousand dollars, so it is not worth it. Regarding this issue I came up with two, IMO best, sollutions: 1st being this hand pump, you can really precisely fill up the tank and - for me - work out a bit on top of that ;) 2nd option is buying for example a 10L scuba tank and a valve for filling up the HPA tank itself and it should A) get you in a much lower budget spectrum and 2) cost much less for every fill up of the big tank. Now, there are also downsides of the big tank. You still from time to time need to pay for a refill of it and more importantly, you gotta behave in some way to it. 10L of high pressure air is a ticking bomb. Wrong maitenance, wrong manipulation or other ways of bad behaviour to it can cause mechanical issues which, in the most extreme case, can be lethal. I've seen a 5L/300 bar tank blow up and it made a fu*king hole in the wall next to it, not even mentioning the shrapnels all over the walls of that room. Ofc no one was at the time of explosion in that room it was a storage. But if someone was there, they would probably suffer permanent injuries like hearing loss, broken bones, eye damage or death. You gotta think when doing anything, here it apliestimes two. So I prefered the option with a hand pump. Yeah, it's a bitch to fill up a 48ci/3000PSI tank, but you are much safer while at it and as a bonus, if there is a 3-day event, I can take the pump in a car with me and in case I need it, fill it up in the meantime.
I am writing this comment to nobody in particular, although I know that Russel Platten would agree with what I have to say here: I have been reading a lot of these comments asking about using hand pumps to charge scuba tanks and airgun tanks, and I am amazed at the ignorance which so many people have about what this whole thing is about. First thing: I have always been interested in human-powered work and have always liked to experiment with things. It would be possible to use a hand pump to charge up a scuba tank, but the only people who should try that are people who --- like me --- want just to experiment without no real intention to try this on a continual daily basis. Experiments like this are done not just with a quick flip, but instead are done by the long haul. Three and a half hours to fully charge a tank that accepts 775 strokes of air would be much more realistically done with maybe a half hour of work per day over a one-week period. So anyone who is serious about doing experiments like this can't expect to fill an entire tank in one day but instead must set for themselves much smaller increments of work done over long periods of time. Secondly, I am blown away by the ignorance people express when they say they think they can charge up one of these scuba tanks with a WAL-MART BICYCLE COMPRESSOR, OF ALL THINGS? When you fill a scuba tank, you are dealing with a pressure front that is much higher than a bicycle tire or a car tire. You are not dealing with 50-PSI air pressure; you're dealing with 3000-PSI air pressure which is 60 times greater than that. I have another thing to say about this scuba-tank-filling business using hand pumps, in that most people --- except knowledgeable people like Russel Patton --- have no idea as to just what kinds of air pumps are needed to generate 3000-PSI pressure. To generate 3000 PSI of air pressure using just a hand pump, you need a piston that is essentially a nail driven 18 inches down a narrow bore with each stroke. To an outside observer the hand pump looks like a normal bicycle pump, but the inner bore is very narrow and the rest of the diameter is taken up by the super-thick metal wall of the pump cylinder --- and like I said, the piston is essentially a nail, or a rod, driven down its center. The amount of force needed to compress air to 150 PSI with a one-inch pump bore is the same amount of force that would be needed to compress air to just 2400 PSI with a 1/4" pump bore --- let alone 600 PSI beyond 2400 PSI. A 1/5" pump bore would take you to 3,750 PSI. A 1/6" pump bore would take you to 5400 PSI. Likewise, the "piston" --- if it could be called that --- would need to be precisely guided in its path up and down the cylinder bore -- and guided much more precisely than the piston in a bicycle pump. In addition, the bottom of the cylinder would get very, very hot even from hand-pumping because of the high pressure involved. This would necessitate the bottom part of the pump in particular having to serve the function of a heat sink for the cylinder and piston assembly. So how do you all like that for the unseen complications involved in generating 3000 PSI with human hand pressure?
What was the point of all that yappen? Especially for no one in particular. How long did it take you to type this as well since you say it takes you over a few days to fill one tank?
the VEVOR 3-stage hand crank pump with high quality 301 stainless steel, crank pump 4500 psi (0-30 MPa), PCP Air Gun Rifle, PCP pump with pressure measurement range: 0-5800 psi (0-40 MPa) has it allready adapter for filling 13ci tank?
Not bad, get a good amount of shots on HPA tank messing around outside so it's nice it's free, but the pump price though too much, just gotta wait to take it to gas supply store that has compressor to fill it instead.
Just a though. Do you think a crank pump would be a lot more efficient? When I thought of a manual paintball tank pump I thought that having a crank pump with a fly wheel would be easier to use. Having a circular motion to the pump will allow higher pressure pumps with less force and the momentum from the flywheel will make the amount of force you have to apply lower and more spread out, unlike a normal pump where you have to push down and then pull up.
I have not seen a crank pump before. It sounds like a better idea than the stirrup pump. The stirrup pump is hard work. Mind you, I reckon someone in their 20 or 30's would find it easier than me!.
CO2 bottles are filled with liquid CO2 and operate at much lower pressures which are generated by the liquid evaporating. It would be dangerous to try and top it up with this pump. You would only be able to take the pressure up to the safe working pressure of the bottle and you would only get a few shots out of the bottle.
Can i fill a co2 bottle with air same way ? I done my Air Arms gun wit a pump once . And wet got a dive tank Thank for your hard work tho 👍👍👍😜🏴🦕🦄😁🤞✌️
30 quid for a pump off the bay, stopping for rests rather than heat. takes forever and your abs will let you know they are still under there. every fill re oil the pump with a few drops. I did 2000 psi on saturday then up to 3000 on sunday but its dropped back to 2000 monday which is odd.
I don’t mind the workout I just don’t wanna spend a butt load of money for a compressor. I need it for my pcp air rifle and the rifle is expensive so I’m trying to avoid spending more but I’ll definitely get the air pump.
Great Russell Platten I'm a fan of your videos, I'm wanting to make an adjustment and put an engine that will pump for me, but I will do so 50 pumped and waiting 5 minutes, 50 pumped and waiting five minutes, I'm doing this to load a scuba or scuba tank, do you think that is possible
Ramon Alexandre Hi Ramon, you must be very careful about making a motorised pump. You must make sure that you do not over pressurise the bottle! Do not leave it unattended as it could be very dangerous! I work in an industry where we deal with high pressure systems and people can be seriously injured. If you can fit a pressure switch to stop the pump at 200 bar and a pressure relief system that is reliable, it would be fine. Thank you for your kind comments!
hi Russel, I've bought a PCP airrifle with a 400cc(approximatly 25CU) tank, it's regulated at 150bar and can hold 200bar. I'm wondering if a pump would be enough for me? I don't plan on shooting every day, not even every weekend so i don't know if it's worth buying a scuba bottle for this? I'd have to fill from zero the first time but then afterwards i'd be topping of from 150 to 200 bar with a Gehmann pump.. What's your opinion? Every other (serious) airgunner says i should buy a scubatank but they shoot all the time...
How about precharging to 60 bar with a fridge compressor, manual finish? Scrapyards are full of them, most fridges fail on the doorseals, or are just old. Be aware of the freon filled fridges, keep yourself/ the surrounding environment clean when disassembling. As completely compressing with the stirrup pump causes a lot of heatstrain on the pump @ low pressure. Just a thought. I've got 2 compressors atm, one maxes at 60 Bar, the other @ ~30Bar, but much faster. They are awesome for homebuilt airguns.
A normal air compressor will deliver 10 barg, these bottles require 200barg. The pump I am using is a high pressure stirrup pump designed for air rifles. There are high pressure air compressors that will do the job, but they are expensive. :-)
My son filled his like this. He did it halfway roughly and was 350 pumps. However question is: Was it hard for anyone else to get the fitting off the tank. It was like vacuum sealed on it. We did finally break it free but it shot off. Scary. And only half full. It has the slide back sleeve to release it just like a standard air compressor. But sliding it back to release it was almost impossible from the pressure I guess. Is that normal?
The pump should have a bleed valve to vent off the trapped pressure once you have charged the bottle. Trying to remove the hose without venting it first is very dangerous! :-)
hi, i just don't get it , if you see the diameter of the pumphousing: its several square cm. so just to pump 100 bar in the tank , you should press with several hondreds of kilo on the pump and noone can do this.
People if you are going to do this get a 30$ water/oil filter to lut between the pump and the bottle you would be very surprised how much water can get in at 3000psi
I want a cheap small bottle that I can pump up with a hand pump and put in my backpack and carry in the woods with me but I need a bottle that will fill a big bore air gun I have the gamo tc 35 can you tell me what bottle I need to get
Hi, I have a Webley ultra glide air rifle pump which works great until the preasure reach 500 psi after that is wery hard to pump and it feels like generate vacuume. I replaced all the o rings and is still the same someone can help me ? I tryed to google but I can't find anny answer or manual to see how is works. Cheers
The pump comes with a 1/8 BSP connector which should be the size that comes with most HPA tanks. I just ordered the pump and an HPA tank off Amazon and they both have the 1/8 bsp connector so you shouldn’t have to buy an adapter.
Hi Russell my question to you is I have a appliance ( a portable air tank) that that needs to be filled to about 690 to 825 kpa (100- 120 Psi ) would this be less strenous than using a bike pump for this application? thoughts please thank you so I a wondering the tank is a 5 gallon air tank it seems this would be easier to use? thoughts please thank you
@@RussellPlatten so my question is I need to fill a 5 gallon portable air tank to about 120 PSI it has the tire chuck valve my question is do you think this high pressure pump is likely to be less strenous to use to 120 PSI than a standard bike pump thoughse please thank you
The pump is fully self contained. Just connect it to the tank and start pumping. If the tank is completely empty there may be a problem because it relies on a little air pressure in the tank to close the non return valve as you lift the handle to draw air into the pump. It would only need a couple of bar or so though.
Hi, what adapter you used to connect the pump to the tank ? Also do you bleed the valve at each 50 or so pumps? (to release the moisture). Thanks and please excuse poor english.
Liviu Ancas I am sorry Liviu, I am not sure what adapter it is, as it was already on the pump. I bought the pump for my Daystate air rifle and this has the same connector as the air bottle.
Coalition Crew There's that one percent of people who have an industrial Air compressor(the one Car dealers use and everything.) I'm glad to be that one percent of having one sitting in the corner of my Garage unused.
No the pump will not cause any problems with the tank. It is a very slow process so it would be extremely difficult to over pressurise it unless you are not checking the gauge.
The Logun pump I use is no longer available. Search for 'air rifle stirrup pump'. Here is a link to one on Amazon UK: amzn.to/3oDz3Ff Shop around and pick one with good reviews if you are not sure. These pumps are considerably cheaper than the one I use in the video. :-)
You're such a hero. So nice to see someone not afraid of a bit of hard work!
9 years later and I'm following in your footsteps . There is a lot of hidden cost in pcp air gunning , bought riffle $260.
Bought pump $50
Shortly after buying the pump I realized it's not good to pump moist air that means taking it ro the woods with you is only good in the heart of summer .
I bought a tiny bottle .45 liters and am pumping at home so I've got some dry air
Next is to buy a compressor for around $ not a cheap hobby coming from breakbarrels and co2
The pump I use in the video has a water trap that needs venting regularly. A small bottle is a good compromise Jason. A compressor will make life much easier! :-)
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Saves you a run to the field or dive shop to fill up. Especially if you are running the small 13ci tanks. It is a great purchase
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I literally just bought a pump and was able to pump my 13ci before the video ended. Thanks for the tutorial
Glad I could help Walt. :-)
you use your tank for paintball? does it work?
nowdays I'm getting some information about hpa tank and refill.
great help. thank you!!
Seok-Jun Yoon You are welcome!
thanks this helps a lot on helping me decide to get a compressor or pump
John Casilang Glad to be of service John. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
@JCI1990 not the Chinese ones lol
JCI1990 you are very much incorrect
@@justinmongeon3739 300 dollars from Walmart
I'd be curious to see the pump put on a scale to see how much weight must be applied for strokes at different pressure levels.
You could then formulate an electric motor/gear reduction to turn it into an electric pump of sorts.
Thanks for the video, very informative!
Thank you. :-)
Great exercise to be honest - I actually like this idea
It is a good workout! :-)
I take it you are a air rifle hobbyist. And your point of view comes from that. I myself come the paintball view. And have seen this done before by other paintballers.But this is first time I seen some one fill a tank to 300psi. And that it took only 3 and a half hours with 375 pumps. Is amazing.
jason arce Hello Jason, I wanted to see exactly how long and how many repetitions it would take to fill a bottle. I do have air rifles and that is what I use the pump for. I reckon a fitter person would do it in much less time!
+Russell Platten Well it was definitely interesting to watch the video to get a good idea of the process.
But if you do this regularly it's one way to get to a more fit with this workout, also as you stated a few times during the video is that the pump has to cool down (keep in mind that the internal seals will reach a much higher temp than the outside). One thing that may help both you and the pump is have a fairly powerful fan force some air circulation around both you and the pump, probably best not to do this outdoors though as you might blow up dust from the ground and suck that into the pump cylinder more than needed.
Also one thing which I didn't pay close attention to, did you bleed the line between pumping sessions? I usually pump for 4-5 minutes myself, bleed it and take a break while the pump can cool down to refill my air rifle. And once I get above 200 bar I kinda have to cheat and grab a backpack that has a few full water bottles in there to get the pressure up to the max rated 232 bar of my air cylinder on the rifle. I'm guessing you live in the UK based on your accent, chances are humidity is usually pretty high then similar to what I'm getting by living in coastal region. If you keep pumping without bleeding the line between sessions odds are you might be building up a lot of moisture that may end up inside your tanks. You'll still get some in there if you bleed it between pumping sessions but it should drop significantly, if you've pumped your tanks this way frequently by now I'd be curious to know how much water is actually in there.
It doesn't work like that. You need to take brakes to let the pump cool down. If you shoot pcp rifles you should know that. You damage the seals in the pump that way.
What exact pump did you use in the video? And what did you use to connect the pump to the hpa tank?
Logan stirrup pump
where do u get the connection for the tank
Thanks for sharing .. It helped me out a lot for my project to come .. Thanks
What size fitting did you use to connect to the paintball tank mate?
Thanks, I've been thinking of filling my own bottles if I get a gun. Looks like a grate workout but I'll probably go with an electric one.
+wilgarcia1 Yes, it is too hard for everyday use! Electric will be much better.
wilgarcia1 can you link me an electric pump for hpa tanks.
i think most people just get a large tank and use that for refills. like a small scuba tank. but there are these. www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=electric+paintball+fill+station&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aelectric+paintball+fill+station
wilgarcia1 thats expensive af
eh,l yup
Brilliant mate just orders one from Amazon for my paintball gun today, I have the same tank as you also
Get ready for some good exercise! :-)
How does it shoot?
Russell Platten hi Russell, is it possible to pump a 4500psi tank up with th pump? thx
Adam Austin it would take almost 4 times more then what he did
Gettin them gains man!
Merci, grâce à cette vidéo je sais qu’il vaut mieux acheter un compresseur ! 🙏
Heureux d'avoir pu aider! :-)
If I ever were to have a reason why I would need high-pressure air like this, I would buy a large air tank and then I would do just a little bit of work at a time, even over a period of several days, rather than all in one shot. I actually like human-powered devices and procedures like this, so if I ever had an air rifle which is charged this way I would have just as much fun experimenting with the pump and the air pressure as with the gun. This video is very interesting because I actually like physical exercise which is used to power machinery which does useful work. I have always been interested in human-powered electricity as well.
:-)
@@RussellPlatten Can you explain in words, rather than symbols, what you mean by your expression :-)? I do not understand those codes. I have another idea about the hand pump: Supposing that there were a high-pressure human-powered air compressor to be made for foot power, complete with foot pedals? I have already done experiments with human-powered electricity.
@@MyNathanking :-) is a smiley face. : eyes - nose ) mouth. All of the powered compressors are driven by motors so it should be possible to convert one to pedal power, but it would be hard work and slow. :-)
@@RussellPlatten Yes, I know it would be hard work and slow to charge an air tank with a pedal-powered 3000 to 4500-PSI pump, and that is why it is valuable mainly for experimental purposes and not for everyday application. Of course you could theoretically jury-rig a high-pressure stirrup pump to a gear-reduction mechanism, but I am not sure how good this would be for the pump which would be designed to operate by more precision hand motion. This is why I think that the best human-powered high-pressure pump would be one which is specifically designed to operate on pedal power, and it would also have to be a rotary pump as opposed to an oscillating pump. It also would have to be equipped with a lot of metal on it to serve as a heat sink. The pump would also have to have a flywheel on it, and geared to accept a power input revolution typical to that of the rear sprocket of a normal bicycle. Now, as a final thought to this comment, I hope that I am thinking more reasonably and rationally --- even if my ideas are quirky --- than the people who think they can charge scuba tanks using their garage air compressors. At least I hope I have a grip on the complications that are entailed with human-powered air compression to max 4500 PSI and how the human-powered equipment for doing it would have to be built to compensate for those complications.
@@MyNathanking my God don't you think you put way to much thought into a simple hand pump product. Seeing you have to actually pull the handle all the way up and push it all the way down. This is high pressure air which creates high temperatures in the bottle and pump so you have to do it in sessions with breaks to allow the cool down effect. This in essence is a bomb once it's filled which means it is not smart to experiment with this in anyway or fashion. Just follow the directions and be responsible when handling anything with this type of energy, explosive power. People have died for not respecting the dangerously high air pressures involved in filling and storing air in high pressure vessels. I hope you were not foolish and followed through with any of your dangerous ideas. I'm 3 years late to this thread which means you had a lot of time to have caused yourself a bad or deadly injury. People just follow instructions
Lol thanks for making this. Well if you want to get in shape for paintball buy a manual pump lol.
LOL, too true!
Ive got exactly same setup, apart from the rug. The gague on my bottle is identicle and also reads more than the pump.
Think im going to replace with new gague as dont trust it
Enjoy the workout! :-)
I'd been wondering about how long that would take .... Thanks
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wowza! I figured it would take alot. Damn I bet thats a workout.
It is a bit of a workout! :-)
Agreed... Your a star!
Can I just use a regular air compressor
I see no one answered your question so if it's still not too late, here I go: Regular compressors (for car tires for example) have two big problems. One - they are made for volume rather than pressure, especially that high bars. And second - they fill up very quickly so the tank could possibly blow up instead or at least extremely overheat. So you would need a kind of special compressor, that can make 300 bar pressure and have a slow air flow. Those exist too, but are worth (at least in Europe) a couple thousand dollars, so it is not worth it. Regarding this issue I came up with two, IMO best, sollutions: 1st being this hand pump, you can really precisely fill up the tank and - for me - work out a bit on top of that ;) 2nd option is buying for example a 10L scuba tank and a valve for filling up the HPA tank itself and it should A) get you in a much lower budget spectrum and 2) cost much less for every fill up of the big tank. Now, there are also downsides of the big tank. You still from time to time need to pay for a refill of it and more importantly, you gotta behave in some way to it. 10L of high pressure air is a ticking bomb. Wrong maitenance, wrong manipulation or other ways of bad behaviour to it can cause mechanical issues which, in the most extreme case, can be lethal. I've seen a 5L/300 bar tank blow up and it made a fu*king hole in the wall next to it, not even mentioning the shrapnels all over the walls of that room. Ofc no one was at the time of explosion in that room it was a storage. But if someone was there, they would probably suffer permanent injuries like hearing loss, broken bones, eye damage or death. You gotta think when doing anything, here it apliestimes two. So I prefered the option with a hand pump. Yeah, it's a bitch to fill up a 48ci/3000PSI tank, but you are much safer while at it and as a bonus, if there is a 3-day event, I can take the pump in a car with me and in case I need it, fill it up in the meantime.
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I am writing this comment to nobody in particular, although I know that Russel Platten would agree with what I have to say here: I have been reading a lot of these comments asking about using hand pumps to charge scuba tanks and airgun tanks, and I am amazed at the ignorance which so many people have about what this whole thing is about. First thing: I have always been interested in human-powered work and have always liked to experiment with things. It would be possible to use a hand pump to charge up a scuba tank, but the only people who should try that are people who --- like me --- want just to experiment without no real intention to try this on a continual daily basis. Experiments like this are done not just with a quick flip, but instead are done by the long haul. Three and a half hours to fully charge a tank that accepts 775 strokes of air would be much more realistically done with maybe a half hour of work per day over a one-week period. So anyone who is serious about doing experiments like this can't expect to fill an entire tank in one day but instead must set for themselves much smaller increments of work done over long periods of time. Secondly, I am blown away by the ignorance people express when they say they think they can charge up one of these scuba tanks with a WAL-MART BICYCLE COMPRESSOR, OF ALL THINGS? When you fill a scuba tank, you are dealing with a pressure front that is much higher than a bicycle tire or a car tire. You are not dealing with 50-PSI air pressure; you're dealing with 3000-PSI air pressure which is 60 times greater than that. I have another thing to say about this scuba-tank-filling business using hand pumps, in that most people --- except knowledgeable people like Russel Patton --- have no idea as to just what kinds of air pumps are needed to generate 3000-PSI pressure. To generate 3000 PSI of air pressure using just a hand pump, you need a piston that is essentially a nail driven 18 inches down a narrow bore with each stroke. To an outside observer the hand pump looks like a normal bicycle pump, but the inner bore is very narrow and the rest of the diameter is taken up by the super-thick metal wall of the pump cylinder --- and like I said, the piston is essentially a nail, or a rod, driven down its center. The amount of force needed to compress air to 150 PSI with a one-inch pump bore is the same amount of force that would be needed to compress air to just 2400 PSI with a 1/4" pump bore --- let alone 600 PSI beyond 2400 PSI. A 1/5" pump bore would take you to 3,750 PSI. A 1/6" pump bore would take you to 5400 PSI. Likewise, the "piston" --- if it could be called that --- would need to be precisely guided in its path up and down the cylinder bore -- and guided much more precisely than the piston in a bicycle pump. In addition, the bottom of the cylinder would get very, very hot even from hand-pumping because of the high pressure involved. This would necessitate the bottom part of the pump in particular having to serve the function of a heat sink for the cylinder and piston assembly. So how do you all like that for the unseen complications involved in generating 3000 PSI with human hand pressure?
What was the point of all that yappen? Especially for no one in particular. How long did it take you to type this as well since you say it takes you over a few days to fill one tank?
Great video, great explanation
Thank you! :-)
the VEVOR 3-stage hand crank pump with high quality 301 stainless steel, crank pump 4500 psi (0-30 MPa), PCP Air Gun Rifle, PCP pump with pressure measurement range: 0-5800 psi (0-40 MPa)
has it allready adapter for filling 13ci tank?
Thank you. It was useful information.
Glad it was helpful Anton! :-)
Not bad, get a good amount of shots on HPA tank messing around outside so it's nice it's free, but the pump price though too much, just gotta wait to take it to gas supply store that has compressor to fill it instead.
Just a though. Do you think a crank pump would be a lot more efficient? When I thought of a manual paintball tank pump I thought that having a crank pump with a fly wheel would be easier to use. Having a circular motion to the pump will allow higher pressure pumps with less force and the momentum from the flywheel will make the amount of force you have to apply lower and more spread out, unlike a normal pump where you have to push down and then pull up.
I have not seen a crank pump before. It sounds like a better idea than the stirrup pump. The stirrup pump is hard work. Mind you, I reckon someone in their 20 or 30's would find it easier than me!.
Even then you can’t pump too fast you’d still need cool down sessions it’s a great idea build a prototype
I’ve bought one of these, I have a 3500psi 300bar tank takes me well over three hours to fill
Best work out ever though!!!!
LOL, it is hard going Luke! :-)
I use a pump on my airgun, its not hard work, but planning to get a divers tank too, imagine try fill up one with a pump :D
+Reed hill No thanks LOL! The air tank on the video was bad enough!
Thanks for the demo 👍🏻
You're welcome. :-)
hello sir,
can I fill ninja Co2 tank like this ??
CO2 bottles are filled with liquid CO2 and operate at much lower pressures which are generated by the liquid evaporating. It would be dangerous to try and top it up with this pump. You would only be able to take the pressure up to the safe working pressure of the bottle and you would only get a few shots out of the bottle.
Can i fill a co2 bottle with air same way ?
I done my Air Arms gun wit a pump once . And wet got a dive tank
Thank for your hard work tho
👍👍👍😜🏴🦕🦄😁🤞✌️
Co2 bottles are not designed for such high pressures. :-)
30 quid for a pump off the bay, stopping for rests rather than heat. takes forever and your abs will let you know they are still under there. every fill re oil the pump with a few drops.
I did 2000 psi on saturday then up to 3000 on sunday but its dropped back to 2000 monday which is odd.
Very odd! :-)
I don’t mind the workout I just don’t wanna spend a butt load of money for a compressor. I need it for my pcp air rifle and the rifle is expensive so I’m trying to avoid spending more but I’ll definitely get the air pump.
The stirrup pumps are fine for PCP air rifles, that is what I use mine for and it is not hard work. :-)
I need to get me one of those pumps.
:-)
add a motor on that thing and you have a full air compressor.
Great Russell Platten I'm a fan of your videos, I'm wanting to make an adjustment and put an engine that will pump for me, but I will do so 50 pumped and waiting 5 minutes, 50 pumped and waiting five minutes, I'm doing this to load a scuba or scuba tank, do you think that is possible
Ramon Alexandre Hi Ramon, you must be very careful about making a motorised pump. You must make sure that you do not over pressurise the bottle! Do not leave it unattended as it could be very dangerous! I work in an industry where we deal with high pressure systems and people can be seriously injured. If you can fit a pressure switch to stop the pump at 200 bar and a pressure relief system that is reliable, it would be fine.
Thank you for your kind comments!
Chest day baby!!
Thank you
You're welcome! :-)
Didn't know Sean Bean played paintball.
Neither did I. LOL
theres a $200 electric pump blue color on ebay to fill hpa tanks. worth every penny
:-)
hi Russel,
I've bought a PCP airrifle with a 400cc(approximatly 25CU) tank, it's regulated at 150bar and can hold 200bar. I'm wondering if a pump would be enough for me? I don't plan on shooting every day, not even every weekend so i don't know if it's worth buying a scuba bottle for this?
I'd have to fill from zero the first time but then afterwards i'd be topping of from 150 to 200 bar with a Gehmann pump..
What's your opinion? Every other (serious) airgunner says i should buy a scubatank but they shoot all the time...
2 13 ci hpa bottles with a hills pump takes 200 pumps
:-)
How about precharging to 60 bar with a fridge compressor, manual finish? Scrapyards are full of them, most fridges fail on the doorseals, or are just old. Be aware of the freon filled fridges, keep yourself/ the surrounding environment clean when disassembling. As completely compressing with the stirrup pump causes a lot of heatstrain on the pump @ low pressure. Just a thought.
I've got 2 compressors atm, one maxes at 60 Bar, the other @ ~30Bar, but much faster. They are awesome for homebuilt airguns.
What kind of tape is that
Can you use an air compressor instead?
A normal air compressor will deliver 10 barg, these bottles require 200barg. The pump I am using is a high pressure stirrup pump designed for air rifles. There are high pressure air compressors that will do the job, but they are expensive. :-)
how does it work when you refill it by your self
is this fake?? My dad sais it's not possible to do that, and that I need a special compressor to charge tanks at home. Any help??
It is not a fake Ivan. You need to look for a stirrup pump designed for charging PCP air rifles and get the correct fittings. :-)
Thanks man. You are amazing
Is it the top hold for output, the side hole for air input?
How much preasure can schedule 80 pvc take i want to know cause i don't want it blowing up into my face
Firecracker guy probably no more than 700psi. But it is usually written on the side.
What do you use to tank for does the tank fill a PCP airgun can you use an adapter to fill with that 48 cubic inch tank to fill a PCP airgun
The pump is designed for PCP air guns Derek. :-)
@Russell Platten, could you provide a link to where I could get the pump? Thanks
Just type stirrup pump on eBay and it says 4500psi pump, I just bought one for $57 aud
Definitely willing to invest into a compressor instead of pumping 30 minutes straight twice a day just to practice Pb at home
I understand perfectly! :-)
My son filled his like this. He did it halfway roughly and was 350 pumps. However question is: Was it hard for anyone else to get the fitting off the tank. It was like vacuum sealed on it. We did finally break it free but it shot off. Scary. And only half full. It has the slide back sleeve to release it just like a standard air compressor. But sliding it back to release it was almost impossible from the pressure I guess. Is that normal?
The pump should have a bleed valve to vent off the trapped pressure once you have charged the bottle. Trying to remove the hose without venting it first is very dangerous! :-)
on recharge avec les bouteille ?
Thank u for this video I bought me a pump similar to urs
:-)
hi, i just don't get it , if you see the diameter of the pumphousing: its several square cm.
so just to pump 100 bar in the tank , you should press with several hondreds of kilo on the pump and noone can do this.
These pumps are multi-stage so the output is increased considerably. :-)
thanks Russel, i figured it out myself also, its not a bycicle pump but a special one
I enjoyed your video. Are you from newcastle by chance?
No, I am a Yorkshire lad! :-)
cant u just use a electric pump? because it can save time
No you need an air compressor that outputs 4000 psi witch those can cost thousands
As mentioned these HP compressors are very expensive!
@@activeej8858 yes you can I went to the gas station and used the free air
What fitting is that
Can you add a air filter on the pump ??
+Abonnerende Abonnee I think most of these high pressure stirrup pumps are fitted with a filter.
Russell Platten i can fill any tank like this?
ulises velez I don't see why not. It is hard work though.
there are more efficient pumps but they are quiet abit more expensive
would it be easier to fill it up if you chill the bottle in a ice bath while you fill it?
I do not think it would make any noticeable difference and it would make filling it tricky.
Is there an pump attachment you used
I came with the correct fitting for my air rifle. :-)
People if you are going to do this get a 30$ water/oil filter to lut between the pump and the bottle you would be very surprised how much water can get in at 3000psi
:-)
I would run a cold water hose on the pump while pumping
:-)
How about a compressed air car ?
?
Ty CHAMPION!!!
:-)
Where do I buy the connectors?
+Anthony Tessicini I would try a shop that sells air rifles or airsoft.
Saving money and working out 😂
+Giovani Mandujano Yes, as you can see I need the workout!
@@RussellPlatten no you dont. You look good for your age man. Take it from a 23 year old
@@AR-hj7sm Cheers Armando. :-)
How do you set up the pump
Fit the correct adapter, connect it to the tank and pump away Daniel. :-)
+ Russell Platten can you use a electric car tire pump to refill the bottle?
No, the stirrup pump delivers a pressure over 200bar, that is 2900psi, a tyre pump will only deliver around 10 bar max, probably less than that.
Russell Platten ahh cheers for clarifying that for me mate, how long dose that air pressure last? I.e in using it the in the field?
The same as any other fully charged bottle of a similar size.
it would fill or no a full tire ??
The pump is a high pressure pump, around 200bar, a car tyre is around 2 bar. :-)
How was he able to connect a bike pump to the air tank
It is not a bike pump, it is a high pressure stirrup pump designed for charging PCP air guns. :-)
@@RussellPlatten yes I did some more research on it and found that but thank you very much for the response
@@curtispoynter6905 :-)
I want a cheap small bottle that I can pump up with a hand pump and put in my backpack and carry in the woods with me but I need a bottle that will fill a big bore air gun I have the gamo tc 35 can you tell me what bottle I need to get
Sorry Kasey, I have never used a bottle to fill my PCP rifles.
Hi, I have a Webley ultra glide air rifle pump which works great until the preasure reach 500 psi after that is wery hard to pump and it feels like generate vacuume. I replaced all the o rings and is still the same someone can help me ? I tryed to google but I can't find anny answer or manual to see how is works. Cheers
+csavarka1 Sounds like problem with the air inlet valve.
If you want good conditioned arms this is the way to go
:-)
wait so a normal pump can fill a tank?
+Dylan .Briggs No Dylan, it has to be a high pressure stirrup pump, the type for charging air rifles. Not the type for pumping up your bike tyres.
Russell Platten Oh ok thanks
is there any other ways to refill the tank?
+Exoticetry thanks for the info bud
What pump is that
It is a Logun pump. They are no longer available as far as I know. There are other PCP stirrup pumps that do the same job. :-)
Does anyone know what connector I need to use for my tippmann hpa tank?
The pump comes with a 1/8 BSP connector which should be the size that comes with most HPA tanks. I just ordered the pump and an HPA tank off Amazon and they both have the 1/8 bsp connector so you shouldn’t have to buy an adapter.
Hi Russell my question to you is I have a appliance ( a portable air tank) that that needs to be filled to about 690 to 825 kpa (100- 120 Psi ) would this be less strenous than using a bike pump for this application? thoughts please thank you so I a wondering the tank is a 5 gallon air tank it seems this would be easier to use? thoughts please thank you
I am no expert, but I think you would struggle to get that sort of pressure out of a bike pump. :-)
@@RussellPlatten so my question is I need to fill a 5 gallon portable air tank to about 120 PSI it has the tire chuck valve my question is do you think this high pressure pump is likely to be less strenous to use to 120 PSI than a standard bike pump thoughse please thank you
No it would be harder. I would use one of these: amzn.to/3P40an3 or one of these: amzn.to/3yfyOTY :-)
Can a stirrup pump completely refill the hard in a paintball tank.
I am not quite sure what you are asking. The pump will fully charge a paintball tank.
Russell Platten the air*
Russell Platten or does it need gas before you put the air in the tank.
The pump is fully self contained. Just connect it to the tank and start pumping. If the tank is completely empty there may be a problem because it relies on a little air pressure in the tank to close the non return valve as you lift the handle to draw air into the pump. It would only need a couple of bar or so though.
Hi, what adapter you used to connect the pump to the tank ? Also do you bleed the valve at each 50 or so pumps? (to release the moisture). Thanks and please excuse poor english.
Liviu Ancas I am sorry Liviu, I am not sure what adapter it is, as it was already on the pump. I bought the pump for my Daystate air rifle and this has the same connector as the air bottle.
personally I would just use my air compressor
Yeah cause i'm sure your 75$ walmart air compressor is 4500 PSI capable. LMFAO
+Coalition Crew Just imagine if you could use your Walmart air compressor! I would be able to top the bottle up to 10 bar in about 20 strokes ;-)
Coalition Crew There's that one percent of people who have an industrial Air compressor(the one Car dealers use and everything.) I'm glad to be that one percent of having one sitting in the corner of my Garage unused.
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how possible to push till 3000 psi ? are you hulk ?
It is not too difficult. :-)
Is it okay if a 13ci tank gets hot when i am pumping air?
The air is normally heated by compression, so long as it does not get too hot and burn you, it should be fine. :-)
@@RussellPlatten cool, thanks
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What connectors did you use?
The connection on the pump fitted the bottle. :-)
yup sir ~^^im from malaysia so where can i buy this from ?????
Robert Ooi I have no idea Robert. Try eBay if you can get it delivered. Search for air rifle stirrup pump.
You can buy them from AliExpress since AliExpress have less restrictions than Shopee and Lazada. I couldn't get anything from eBay these days.
Do you use that bottle to fill up your rifle
No, I just connect the pump to the rifle and fill it directly. :-)
How long would a 12 oz take to pump
Depends on your strength and fitness. :-)
Will the pump mess up the tank at all?
No the pump will not cause any problems with the tank. It is a very slow process so it would be extremely difficult to over pressurise it unless you are not checking the gauge.
Thank you sir i will not be getting a hand pump no sir i will not
Does ya paintballl gun still shoot the same
Yes. :-)
@@RussellPlatten link???
The Logun pump I use is no longer available. Search for 'air rifle stirrup pump'. Here is a link to one on Amazon UK: amzn.to/3oDz3Ff Shop around and pick one with good reviews if you are not sure. These pumps are considerably cheaper than the one I use in the video. :-)
Will a tippmann tank fit
It’s a 48ci
It depends on the connection. You will be able to get the correct connection if it does not. :-)