DUMBA$$ SOVEREIGN CIDIOT VS JUDGE !! HIS 2ND APPEARANCE GOES WORSE THAN HIS FIRST!
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- A pro se SOVEREIGN CITIZEN makes a SECOND mind stumping appearance in a thurston county court…it goes even WORSE than his first appearance! Will he avoid contempt? Yet another example of what our courts deal with every day…
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As a taxpayer I’m offended that the courts would allow this idiotic behavior to continue so long. It’s a waste of taxpayer money. Imagine how many cases could have gone through in the time that this crap is going on.
I always laugh/cry in european when americans talk about their wasted tax money
Zoom calls shouldn’t be allowed with these people. They should be face to face with the judge and out of their comfort zone and put in a cell to reflect instead of chanting this gibberish constantly.
@@patrickbarrett5650 I agree, the Judge should rule that Mr. Whatever is a no-show and issue an arrest warrant, none of this Bench Warrant crap, the County Sheriff's Dept. will go to their residence and get them.
The Judge and ADA are on salary, it doesn't cost any more for them to spend hours playing with these nuts. I do understand what you are saying though.
Agree with you totally!
They need to just start putting these guys in jail. This is total lunacy.
100%!
Agreed
The folks need to be locked up and psychologically examined and then spend some time i jail for their bull!
Agreed, and it's costing too much money.
This judge should have shut him down ASAP instead of letting him rant on and on with this lunacy, which only served to embolden him. Bench warrant, now!
Issue a warrant for his arrest and let him try this garbage in live court.
Yes, with Mr Allen standing behind him in court.
It kills me that judges allow these people to drag this crap out....
Unfortunately they are following the law and protecting his rights. That’s what you want when you are standing in-front of a judge. They are too dumb to recognise it
This judge is frustrating. If he won't admit who he is...issue a warrant. This is just enabling the sovtard to continue doing this in the future. What a waste of the tax payer resources.
Yeesssssss!
I agree y does the judge allow this crap
I really wonder where they pick these people from to be judges or magistrates not just in America but over here in the U.K. or in other countries. They need to address this by getting better no nonsense judges that go by the rules and stop indulging these fools or advise them that if they start this issue a warrant and don’t waste time 🕰️ with them when the courts have full calendars.
Yeah the police and judges both need to come down WAY HARDER on this nonsense. And people wonder why these sovtards continue to pull this nonsense and the it’s because the police and judges just don’t want to do their job.
@@bellaluvluv Yes should be is the person "xxxx xxxx" here! no answer issue warrant immediately! No messing around theres no point!
also make the next appearance in person!
Judge made a big mistake. Should have sworn a warrant for his arrest, and held him in contempt. Keep tossing these fools in jail when they pull this sh*t.
👍
Absolutely.
Only reason I can think of (and the judge did mention this) is to prevent the case from dragging on for years and get him the sentence he deserves. Just hope it’s not a slap on the wrist…
@@jakeastside I thought that was an answer to the Prosecutor wanting a psych evaluation.
@@adoculos4521 going through it it does seem like it (competency evaluation) and guess the judge wants to avoid that.
Being a SOVEREIGN CITIZEN IS THE SAME THING AS WALKING AROUND WITH A BUCKET ON YOUR HEAD AND GETTING MAD AT THE PEOPLE YOU WALK INTO BLINDLY.... THESE PEOPLE ARE LITTLE INFORMED ON THE LAW AND A PAIN IN THE ASS
“ Sovereign Cidiot.”
LMAO I love watching these idiots. BC Canada We have them here too.
They are just plain, simple con men/women that aren't smart enough to know how to do it.
This judge is WAAAAAY too accommodating…I can’t believe he let it go on so long.
It’s Washington. They are soft.
_”Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”_ - Mark Twain
Life can be frustrating 😪
Haven dealt with them I can tell you that's exactly what their going for. They think if they can confuse a police officer or court enough the charges will be dropped. The Judges I've seen don't put up with their nonsense. I've seen Judges hold them in contempt and put them in jail for a few days. In all the years I've worked in law enforcement not once have I seen one have their charges dismissed or win at trial and I've never heard of it happening.
Amen!
Start giving them contempt charges, jail time and fines, they will find out who is in charge.
I think they should just say "Are you [Name]?" And if they don't say "Yes." Prompt them a few times to say "Yes" or "No". If they still don't respond, put out a warrant for their arrest.
I mean it is pretty odd if their identity isn't confirmed at the start. Like what if he wasn't actually the defendant?
Exactly, well put, thank you.
Absolutely! And why the judge has not done this is baffling. I blame the judge here. He's allowing a mockery to be played on our court system.
@@Dan-oj4iq No the judge is making sure it's all on record and in the end, he'll get his just desserts.
This must be the judges first sovtard case
This guy should be in a secure mental unit, not a courtroom.
and certainly not driving around in a 60-ton truck without insurance or inspection.
Amen 🙏🏽
Agree ....its either incompetent
Or DIRECT CONTEMPT
mocking our laws 🙄
Or at least not this particular judges courtroom. This judge is clueless as how to handle this guy with his magic words and ideology.
I hate how the judge didn’t keep with the strict and firm of making him ADMIT who he was! It’s small things like this that keeps these DUMMIES doing this DUMB $HIT 🤦🏽♂️
The sovereign idiots want the judge to do that. The judge has to play into it a little to tease it out enough to stop it. I think the judge played it super cool.
Seriously. I’d have issued a bench warrant right away and none of this “trustee” nonsense
@@Marcus.Robinson 😂 exactly
It's so frustrating when the judge allows this to go on and on without any immediately repercussions.
Honestly I kinda love it. He's probably bored and is clearly very entertained. Look at his grin throughout.
The judge is not ignoring his crap and he's about to learn that.
Judge Simpson just issues a bench warrant from the jump😂😂😂
This judge must have time on his hand.
If this was a pre-trial or a trial then I'm sure he would be much tougher. As it stands I can kind of see his reasoning. As much as we want to see the sovcit locked up for their nonsense, it would be a waste of time and resources to arrest someone who the judge is pretty sure is the guy anyway. People like judge Simpson have dealt with enough of these to understand it isn't worth giving their stupid the time of day.
The prosecutor even suggested exactly what the judge had done: issuing a warrant because the defendant refused to identify as himself. This could have been over in 2 minutes.
Okay, THEN what happens? They start all over again when he comes back to court after being arrested. Why not just move it to trial, since the DA doesn't want to dismiss and defendant doesn't want an attorney?
@@UpnorthHere Then he gets a new hearing date after being thrown into lockup. Simple enough. He clearly doesn’t value the court’s time, so why should the court care for his?
He acts as if he has nothing to lose by defying the most basic court proceedings. Call his bluff. I bet he’s got stuff that would suffer for an arrest.
There's such thing as contempt of court, no?
@@xavermooshammer4816 True, but if they're not physically present, a contempt charge loses a lot of its weight and just becomes another thing for them to ignore.
@@electricbayonet2 Exactly. And what happens then is that sovcits will Eventually catch on that they can't pull this in our courts. This judges antics are what is allowing sovcits to clog the system. Also, this guy is a driver, he comes on camera in the cab of a semi. If he has a warrant, many trucking companies won't let you drive for them, so, he would have incentive for taking care of his issues.
Come on judge, grab some balls and find him in contempt.
How mentally unhinged does one have to be to thoroughly complicate something as simple as stating one's name??
These lunatics should be held in contempt for outright refusing to comply with the most basic
requirements of lawful proceedings.
I agree, judges need to put their foot down
Should have been locked up for contempt the first time he refused to identify. Sick of courts enabling these scumbags.
Well, they are black. Nobody wants to lock up blacks. And his name is Mohammed. Barry protected all of them
This is why the sovidiocy continues. It's infuriating that judges like this let this crap work. 😡
I agree! I lose respect for a judge that carries on like this! It is not acceptable at all. Judge Simpson and other reputable judges would be done already with this less than 1 minute into it!
The idiot behind these people, when I show these video, just simply dismissed all the while iw is live preaching this nonese. Smh
Issued a warrant and move on. Taxpayers are paying for this lunacy. Cut it off.
Enough!
He is playing games.
Too lenient judge.
Hold him in Contempt of court.
Depending on outcome.
judge can expedite a case w out dragging into another charge.
AVOIDING MORE LITIGATION
I think he really doesn't understand. Someone told him to repeat this over and over, but he has no idea what's going on. He needs a mental hospital.
This judge was way too lenient. If the defendant won't identify himself, the judge should cancel the hearing and issue a warrant for his arrest.
Totally agree. I think the Prosecutor was exasperated with the judge.
Agreed. This nonsense shouldn’t be tolerated.
Right. If he won’t admit who he is, someone will have to lay hands on him and bring him in and figure it out.
Liberal judge in Washington, what did you expect? Anytime I see Oregon (Portland mostly), Washington or California - I know what is coming.
@@suzukisentinel9570 Silly, uninformed generalisation.
Just issue a warrant and then the real person will be brought to court. 👍
Exactly
Give him accommodations at the county gray bar hotel. Wonder if the trustee would bail him out! 😏
I don't know if the trustee would bail him out, but I'm pretty sure that he would be there with him. 😜@@judyb503
"A-ha! It was me all along"
or just ask what's the name on his foodstamp card 🤔 😂
An epic piece of juridical humor, I love the judge”s irony
This is such a waste of court time. These idiots should be held in contempt as soon as they start this crap.
At about 23 minutes he slips into paranoid lunacy. He shows that he is a person who needs to be examined during a 72 hour hold.
5152 = 3 week hold in the looney bin 🤪
I would be in jail if this dude was ever in front of me! Not even being a judge, just me as me! I’d take the charge for it!! Probably be worth every bit of it! Idiots.. Thai is unreal! Lol
There are a few ways to take this but I read that point in the video as him trying to force his paradigm, that it's really all just a financial relationship wrapped in a contract. He throws out the buzz words and invites the judge to play a guessing game. In doing so he continues to wiggle out of moral responsibility, while trying to equal or dominate the authority figure by dictating the vocabulary. The judge seems to sense this by not getting lost in the pretzel logic, but taking just taking him at his word and saying "you are wrong." "I know what a trust is and this new 'toy' you're playing with is broken. You're sadly wrong."
A common pattern in oppositional defiant disorder is to blame the conflict on the authority figure. On his back foot by now, the defendant tries to suggest/hint with his pretzel language, that it's all a big plot and the state is just in it to take his money. The judge avoids the bait.
May be Squishy will be able to show us if the next phase leaves him wishing he had answered some of those yes or no questions.
10 years more likely
Which is what the prosecution asked for, and was denied at this time. Frustrating!
I don't understand why the judge goes through all that nonsense. The judge has already been through these scenarios many times before. He should have a clear and concise response to these sovcits. It should be stopped right away and not allowed to waste the courts time.
I couldn't agree more. Sov cidiot is playing games, spouting his script and the judge should have known this. Or worse, he did and wasted everyone's time.
I think he enjoys making them look dumb
me either gayle...
Oh let him have some fun.. just makes the sovcit look dumber
Who do you think is the bigger IDIOT?
It strikes me as odd that they are allowing him to drive a vehicle during his hearing.
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
Who asked him for gifts, to be a trustor or any else of this nonsense?? How unintelligent and unhinged 😂😂😂
There is no reasoning with these kinda folks, just consider him absent and throw the book at him
The problem is is that doesn't solve anything and wastes time and resources
@@joshuawidener8407 Yes, that's what I learned from this judge.
@@joshuawidener8407yes exactly that was my comment. The system is so cluttered that murderers go free and this guy and judge just waste hours. It's criminal.
Yup...just like MAGAts, there's no reasoning with SovCits.
Frankly and not being lawyer, I see his responses as being in contempt of court.
Agreed. Arguing without legal merit and reiterating nonsense.
I think a combination of issuing a warrant for their arrest (if they refuse to identify themselves as the defendant) and contempt of court charges will solve this sovereign citizen nonsense real quick.
The judge is too nice for such idiocy!
He'll eventually go for the old insanity plea!😂🤣🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
He should have hung up the minute he wouldn't say his name outright and sent out a warrant. Every second we entertain these idiots conduct bolsters their case in their mind.
After listening to this guy for a bit I would send him for a competency evaluation. Treat him like he's crazy and maybe you might get one answer out of him.
Edit: I would make him come to court in person!
Of course this is over traffic citations. 🤦 If I was the judge, I would have held him in contempt.
How boring would traffic court be. This is funtimes for these judges. See Judge Simpson, Middleton et al, they love breaking the tedium busting these intellectual voids.
Yes, that makes sense to me, but I really don't know.
These self appointed sovereigns needs to be arrested AFTER being ordered to appear in person. These are wasting the Courts time and resources.
The judge just twisted the fool round and round it was hilarious 😂🎉😂
Why any court plays with these idiots is beyond me. Tell them there wrong, contempt of court. Jailed until they do what’s asked and then sentenced for the original crime
This is ridiculous. Call the name. If no one says "I am [name]," issue a warrant. If the "trustee" then offers that he is the person, require him to come in to court with state ID to prove it, since he said he was someone else a minute ago. Issue warrant in the meantime. These guys need high bail because they are demonstrating an intent to evade process of law.
He objects!
Agreed. He is acting as though he is anti-government and anti-rule of law, so treat him as a hostile witness; he is simply trying to escape accountability and found out about sov cits. If you stay in this country, you're subject to the same laws as the rest of us. When you drive a vehicle on public roads, you have to have a license, registration and insurance. When you do some criminal behavior and get caught, you're subject to the same rules as the rest of us are. I hope he learns this stuff one day!
@@MrTim223bahahahahahahahaaaa
The defendant got exactly what he was desiring: 1) Obfuscation of court proceedings. 2) Obstruction of the judicial process. 3) A failure to reach any sort of determination EXCEPT a further appearance in which the very same dialogue will continue. The defendant was carefully prepared. His objections and statements about Who and When were deliberately couched in terms of making the court proceedings go off the rail, and this will continue with Mr. "Idris" for as long as he can drag it out. There's no skin off of his back, and all these people working in the court system are going to have to attend this nonsense for as long as Mr. Idris likes. Most everyone in America is becoming aware of how these clowns are taking over a system that was constructed to help the accused through a confusing time, and most Americans are getting pretty fed up with their shenanigans.
the guy repeats his memorized sentences over and over again because he has no idea what he's talking about.
"what does it have to do with thinking?'
"that's a good question..."
Yes, judge. Yes it is.
That was BS.
Lock him up for contempt.
Let him talk to his trustee and named beneficiaries in jail.
Enough is enough.
If he doesn't want to verify who he is, the Judge should find him in contempt and give him a nite in jail
This judge is a coward. He entertained this way too long.
He doesn’t even know what he is! He’s embarrassing himself, someone needs. To change the law
The law is fine. Make judges enforce it.
Attorneys have to pay fees to enter the bar. If people want to represent themselves, they should be made to pay a fee to do so. It wouldn't be infringing their rights, because the pros who went through years of college and Uni to get to their prestigious positions had to pay fees, so why shouldn't these morons?
He is not embarrassing himself. He’s too stupid to be embarrassed.
That blank look and long hesitation to a simple question was priceless. If you're standing on the trustee , get off him .
Ha ha!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
This judge is far too tolerant and is apparently unable to discern that the accused is not capable of being able to accept the reality of the situation.
The judge on this case was more infuriating than the defendant. Judge is way too weak to handle someone like this
The guy has a suspended CDL license but appears to be behind the wheel of a truck.
This could be over really fast. All the judge has to say is if so and so is not present a warrant for his arrest will be issued immediately.
yup!
Yea th judge played right into what the lunatic wanted
Issue an arrest warrant for the man! Hold in custody until trial
Judges need to stop this limp wristed approach to justice.
If i were the judge, I'd order a competency exam prior to trial. This guy is nuts.
and who pays for that exam? Tax payers! Better to hold the idiot in contempt and throw him in jail.
It is so painful listening to judges try to talk to these jackasses who are just playing word games. Throw them in jail till they can behave like adults.
"Do you wish to represent yourself? Answering with anything other than yes or no will have you in contempt of court." Simple as that.
This judge is really sad, he should have held him in contempt of court 10 minutes ago a night in jail would have straightened him out I think.
I’m so sick of this they need to put these people in jail. I wish one would say if you are a sovereign citizen you can’t be under the constitution. They are losers. I’m not sorry for saying it.
You do realize that non-citizens, who are in the country, are under the Constitution (Laws), Bill of Rights (1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th), and State constitution (Laws) as Citizens are, right? Strip sovereign citizens of their citizenship, they're still under all of the above when in the country. Either you're principled with regard to the Constitution et al., or you're not. And if you're not principled, you're a loser just like the sovereign citizens.
This guy got sold some dangerous snake oil, and he bought the whole thing.
He needs a contempt charge real bad.
And 90 days in jail, and maybe bubba could have fun with him during that time.
I absolutely agree. Issue a warrant and stop the bs.
Put the "trustor" in jail and throw away the key.
"He is operating under a lot of false premises" Well put by Judge. I would add delusions.
He should have just issued a warrant.
"what does thinking have to do with it?" - best question ever!! This guy is so frustrating
Come on judge, enough! Contempt and jury trial.
He knows whats going on. He's doing it on purpose.
my take as well...
That’s what I think, the judge is fully aware.
Dude needs ten years in Leavenworth. Or eleven years in Twelveworth. Or 5-10 in Woolworth.
This is ludicrous and someone should stop these idiots from taking up valuable time.
Send a cop to yank him out of his semi and thow the trustee's ass in jail until the actual person shows up.
Semi? Are you sure? It looked like he was living in a tent......
@@adoculos4521 very sure. To his left is a grab handle to lift yourself up, the chair he is in is a standard air seat and behind him to his right is the curtain that divides the driving cab from the sleeper.
@@stevenlarson6125 I thought you meant a semi-detached house (known as semis) but then I'm not American.
@@adoculos4521 haha. Ok. Sorry. Im not American either.. I'm Canadian 😁
@@stevenlarson6125 It's ok, no need to say sorry. I'm British.🇬🇧. There's nothing in our brains when someone references living in a 'semi' except a semi-detached house.😄
Just give him or his trustee 93 days in jail and be done with it
"...but how can you [blank] when beneficiaries have already been named?! You can't even continue!.." 💀
LOVE it ❤
Will use it as a universal excuse!
I wonder if they also need to weed out sovcits from the jury pool these days, otherwise trial proceedings will be ridiculous 😂
Send him for a mental health evaluation, Judge. 30 days in a hospital.
Ultimately these people think they are above the law..they can speed, run lights, etc. with impunity. Idiots. Courts can and need to put a halt to this behavior in courts.
This is what happens when you memorize the textbook exactly without understanding any of it.
This judge should be recalled. The defendant was openly mocking him and his court and he seemingly had no problem with it.
How did this not end up in a contempt charge or a competency hearing?
Is this the only judge in America not ready to immediately deal with a SovCit?
sure feels like it huh?
Frankly, not many do. I don't know why. There should be a class or something.
@@OSGCourtWatchI like Judge Webster. Recently he called a sovcidiot and his ramblings “OK enough of this cacamammy mumbo jumbo, or whatever it is you think you are!) loved it !😊
@@itsjustlaurel1531
Because every professional has learned to do the same thing, every day over and over. The moment we are presented with something new its WTH moment.
Judges don't know whether to educate them, or to challenge them intellectually/academically, or to try to win them over or to shut them down. So they end up doing all of that and wasting time and resources by going through all these phases. They are dinosaurs unable to learn and to adapt.
- Check out the nonsense that Roger Hillygus is doing right now.
The Judge was just toying with him.
Thank you for sharing your channel is awesome clarity
The judge..”No one’s here for any gifts!” 🤣
Judges have to wise up about these nuts and just hold them for contempt. This judge is incredibly naive.
No, I think this judge kept putting this fool in “time-out” so he could actually see the proceedings and judge his character and logic. At the end of the day, these fools are just trying to frustrate the proceedings.
Judge Bryant explained in her Q&A video that judges are taught how to deal with sov citizens this judge needs to wise up or step down
Yes, he seems incredibly naive about this. He seems to think that when this guy mentions a "trust" he is actually talking about a regular "trust" like in trust fund.
I've seen other videos of other judges where they use one of two techniques that this guy started to do but didn't carry through on:
1. The judge says, "If you are not the person named, then an arrest warrant will be issued for the person named." And STICK TO IT! I've seen some of them crumble when faces with an arrest warrant,
2. Ask them to state their name. If they refuse to do so, go back to #1.
They really need to stop wasting the court's (and taxpayer's) time on these idiots and just find them in contempt and/or arrest them. Not play games.
@@yanceyschwartz Also, "I'm looking at charges listed here for the defendant named on the summons. You replied by coming onto this Zoom call. Did you give that name at the traffic stop and is that still your name?"
If you can do a better job take your best shot, but you have alot of nerve saying the judge is naiive!
All that "trust" nonsense. They just never stop with it. They are trying to extend and delay proceedings as along as possible by not identifying themselves.
Trustee: “This is not the droid you’re looking for.”
This judge might be the most diplomatic person I've ever come across.
If we ever have to negotiate with aliens, send this guy.
I wish this was a thing back in the late 90's. Whenever a teacher called on me, I could just respond with 'I object to being the trustor.'
😁🤣🤣
Teacher: Ok, time to turn in last night's homework
Me: I am not the trustor and I am not here to give any gifts
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine seeing these sov cit arguments literally fail 100% of the time and thinking “yeah let’s go with that for my legal argument” need to get more of these crazies mental evaluations. Insane to know these lunatics are amongst us normal people just trying to live our lives
Notice they are _all_ stupid. Every single one of them - no exceptions. Because they're stupid, they think words have magic powers. If you speak the spell correctly, judges, cops, and bureaucrats have to do what you want. Reality doesn't work this way but, again, theyee dumb. But they see smarter people use words and think the words themselves are what matters.
The more of them I see, the more I get this niggling urge in the back of my head, such that if I'm ever involved in legal matters, to start down the sovcit script, and a few sentences in, admit that I was only kidding. Obviously, that's a completely stupid idea, but that part of my brain sure does seem to like entertaining stupid ideas like that.
@@verdatum that would be too too funny!
@verdatum lol. I've had the same idea.
Incompetent to stand trial for this insanity
Just tell the judge you were traveling, not driving. Works every time. 🤣
Well, he's about as sharp as a sack of frogs, isn't he?
You can see the pain on the Judges face.. He really doesn't want to see this guy suffer the consequences simply because he was given bad advice on the internet.
BS…he’s a grown man who should know better. He’s also a criminal and a coward, and needs to be locked up until he regains his senses.
The judge is a fool.
Criminals like this must be DEPORTED.
He sounds like someone in a movie stating the required Geneva Convention information over and over in response to questions
WOW! I didn't know the Sov. Citizen folk had so much power to jam up the court. Say what you will -- but they know how to stop some of these judges.
Agreed. This judge is right up there with judge Dorow in letting the sovcit run the show and take days longer than necessary to hold a hearing.
"I object to giving out any gifts that reduce the public debt. Am I wrong?"
"Yes, yes you are."
What the hell does that even mean? Like I have heard the word gifts in general from these lunatics but what’s the relevance?
He looks someone who rode the short bus to school. Throw him in jail until he follows the court rules.
If you object to being the traitor, then you are the person.
I swear, I could hear the hamster wheel start spinning in his head whenever the judge asked him a question
Funny; I thought it squeaked to a halt several times. The clown forgot to blink or maybe even breathe.
@@UpnorthHere His long pauses were for getting all of his made up laws together.
😂😂
11:10 "Why do you think that?" AHAHAHA, dude's brain froze at that.
Why would the court allow this defendant to manipulate ad nauseam?
Judge says “do you have a name?” No response. Must be a trick question. 😅
The judge sure does have a lot of patience for Nonsense.