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Ebionite 201 - Who Were The First Christians & What Did the Apostles Believe and Teach
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
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Congratulations on your new book, Brad. I've been wanting to order my copy and I finally just did. I so look forward to reading and digging in. Thank you! I would like to ask if sometime you might elaborate your understanding on why Yeshua cursed the fig tree saying, "Let no fruit grow" and how it may relate to Israel and God's perpetual and permanent hatred for Esau/Edom/Idumea, "the people of my curse” (Isaiah.
34:5) (Malachi 1,2,3).
Honest question here. When Jesus taught that a good father does not give his children serpents when they ask for food, was that an allusion to Yahweh sending serpents into the camp of Israel when he was angry with them?
@JosephSmith-ef7ct I think it's connected that incident in Numbers 21. Peter said that Yeshua taught that any Scripture that make YHWH out to be vengeful, angry, jealous, impatient, etc should be rejected as added to the Scripture by a scribe, essentially anything that makes YHWH out to be evil. I think Numbers 21:5 would qualify as one of those passages. I believe there is truth rooted in the story, there were serpents that were there and the serpent on a pole was erected for a remedy, but Yeshua is denying that YHWH was the one that sent the serpents.
David, reading the book WHO WROTE THE BIBLE by Richard Elliott Friedman, might explain this also. Have you read that book and what is your impression of that?
@TeofilMicu I've read it and like it, in fact I've recommended it to people in videos on here. As far as I'm concerned the documentary hypothesis is the documentary fact, and it lines up perfectly with what Peter says Yeshua taught him in the Nazarene Acts.
@@DavidHNotsariwhere did Peter say that? Would love to have that source, thanks David!
Hey shalom brother. I have a question on the Nazarene acts book VI chapter 12. Where it talks about chastity and says what I pretty much took to mean that relations between husband and wife for pleasure is wrong. I looked up that the early church fathers all had this doctrine demonizing relations within marriage for pleasure if it’s not for procreation and it seems that some of this was inspired by Plato , but then I read this in the Nazarene acts said supposedly by Peter. Is it possible that this was inserted by Rufinus when having translated ? Another possible alteration could be the trinity doctrine when talking about baptism they mention the “trine” invocation etc. What is your stand and interpretation about this David?
@caneswarrior Yes, I think that about sex between a husband and wife for any reason other that procreation is probably part of Rufinus' interpolation, it contradicts what Epiphanius says in the Panarion, although I don't accept everything Epiphanius says either, because he takes it to the extreme the other way and makes the Ebionites sound licentious.
As far as the Trinity-style baptisms, I had debunked that being part of the original baptism formula recently and I thought I had switched all those reference back to baptizing in the name of the Son. If I missed one let me know where it is and I'll remove it and update the manuscripts.
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Do you have any teachings on the rapture?
No, but you don’t want to be raptured, the wicked are raptured and burned, not the group to be in.
Its a mistake to call them ‘early Christians’ as that it the false gospel of Rome that we ended up with and why the (true) gospel of the kingdom will be preached at the end
I feel like Rufinus changed Paul's name to Simon Magus , introduced "father , son and holy spirit" (trinitarian formula) to the texts , added the scene where Paul and Peter teamed up together against Simon Magus and the part where Yeshua being a preexisting being , like some sort of a "god-man" , I think that he put that in there to make The Apostles line up better with what the "orthodox" church taught/teaches . I'm only writing this to express my views , if any of you don't agree , that's fine too
The 3 divine persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit are recognised as such by Nazarene Christ. In fact Jesus calls "My Mother, The Holy Spirit took me by one of my hairs...". The real name of Jesus is not Jesus, it is EMMANUEL, which means GOD WITH US, not an angel, not an archangel, not a saint, not a sage, not an emperor, but GOD HIMSELF WITH US IN FLESH AND BONE, that is God the Son, not God the Father and not God the Holy Spirit.
If anyone wanted to know what God is like just look at the doctrine of EMMANUEL (Jesus), 100% vegan, and corrector of the brutal errors of the scribes in particular the worst of all the scribes EZRAH, the liar and giver of the false law (the corrupter of Torah) along with the nefarious Nehemiah. Jesus came to absolutely change all those falsehoods and END ALL SACRIFICES, whether written on the moon, or wherever. No more sacrifices of any kind.
@@endih7997 there is no trinity , it's a pagan concept that was developed by Greco -Roman pagans and Yeshua is divine as in Special/close to The Father but not deity . His name is Yehoshua/Yeshua , not Emmanuel , Isaiah 7:14 into Isaiah Chapter 8 has nothing to do with a virgin and has nothing to do with a future Messiah
@@koreyoneal2623 I do not agree with you. For the Nazarene-Ebionites there was "The Triple Blessing" which is clearly The Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit (their Mother).
And yes his name is Yeshua, etc but God the Father called him EMMANUEL which means GOD WITH US. GOD HIMSELF WITH US. This is not changed by Satanists, Jews or anyone else. Jesus is GOD with us. Ah Mary was a Virgin and a GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT NAZARENE EBIONITE TEACHER Vegan with infinite love for animals, who was the only one WORTHY to be with child of God the Son or Christ. Emmanuel or God with us.
Believe me that there are miracles incomprehensible to humans, mega miracles I would say.
@@endih7997 The Ebionites most certainly did not teach the trinity , they didn't teach the virgin birth and according to them , He never even became The SON of Yeh Ho VaH until His baptism , due to His righteousness . Go open your bible and read Isaiah 7&8 , it's not a messianic prophecy but go ahead , believe what you want
@@koreyoneal2623 I am not interested in convincing you, because you are not my friend, you will see what you believe is your problem and your life. Good luck to you. But The Ebionite Gospel or the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew Ebionite (not Shem Tov) said "when CHRIST wished to come to Earth upon men the good FATHER , summoned a Great Power in Heaven which was called MIGUEL. And the power came to Earth and was called MARY and CHRIST dwelt in her womb for 7 months".
Clearly it recognizes that Christ PRE EXISTED (baby Jesus) and a unique role for the Virgin Mary and St. Michael the Archangel.and yes I partially agree with u in the adoptionist view that when He was Baptized by John the Baptist all the power of the Holy Spirit descended upon Him. It was FULLY "activated" at the Baptism.
Jesus is EMMANUEL, GOD THE SON WITH US, 100% vegan, He is God the Son and the Torah is corrupted also the Tanak. So which version of Isaiah do you read to me? No Satanist on earth is going to change that.. "The lying pen of the scribes destroyed almost everything". Only Emmanuel saves us.
Over and out.
Another question: What is your take on the dispensational Zionism of Hal Lindsey and most of Evangelicalism today?
It is literally a doctrine of demons. John Nelson Darby was given the Dispensationalism doctrine through seances and Ouija boards.
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47:23 Yeshua gave Moses the Torah??
That is my understanding of What Peter teaches in the NazActs. In Book 1, chapter 21 he calls Yeshua the Lawgiver, also in book 10, chapter 47. And in Book 1 Ch 34, Peter says Yeshua appeared to Moses, struck the Egyptians with 10 plagues, and lead the children of Israel out of Egypt. I believe Peter is saying that it was The Son who was appearing to Moses in the Torah.
@gerisnoke4374 I'm not going to go beyond what Peter or John or any other apostle said in order to speculate an answer to satisfy you. I'm not "making him" anything, I'm repeating what Peter, John, and Matthew describe him as.
Not every doctrine that makes Yeshua out to have supernatural powers is the "Trinity". The Trinity states that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in the same being, and that is not what I have said.
If it is this important to you, instead of asking me, why are you not digging into the NazActs and Sermons of Peter to find the answer out for yourself, that is the reason I made that information available to you.
@@DavidHNotsari I'm NOT questioning you personally, I just committed.
as you said, I do not have to watch the videos.
I am just clarifying what you said so i know what you mean.
I say things that mean differently sometimes because I am not clear.
its all good.
@@bibledefinedbymartycozad One God there is no other.
_Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith YHWH יְהֹוָה , and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me._
_Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am YHWH יְהֹוָה ; and beside me there is no saviour._
_Isaiah 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith YHWH יְהֹוָה , that I am God._
@gerisnoke4374 First of all, I did not engage in the lunar sabbath nonsense, because that's what it is: nonsense. I told you right off the bat I was not interested in it and you ignored me and proceeded to post multiple long comments about it. Then you were upset that I ignored it, and apparently you're still upset about, but if you had listened from the beginning of that discussion you would have known I wasn't interested and you could have saved yourself the trouble.
I never promised to jump through hoops and cater to your demands. I am not on your payroll, so you can stop acting like I'm doing something wrong by "refusing" to jump through your hoops. I have no problem seeing Yeshua as a spiritual being, like an angel, that existed prior to his birth to Mary and Joseph, AND seeing him as taking on the form of a human for 30+ years on earth. If you are not capable of understanding that you should pray to God for the answer, not throw a temper tantrum to me, and demand that I interpret writings for you that you are fully capable of doing yourself. And you have not "been respectful" you have acted snarky, and entitled, and behaved like a spoiled brat when you didn't get your way, and I am done listening to it.
question; counter 42:54 Nazacts Yeshua is preexistent; the Son of God through whom creation took place?? So Yeshua is our Father? if he created us??? Not Yahweh?
Yet you say he is of Josephs blood line through birth?
Now you confused me.
God the Father created the world through the Son. NazActs 9:3 and John 1:3.
@@DavidHNotsari so its not trinity its God the Father and God the Son?
so the church added the Spirit and made trinity because this was too confusing?
@bibledefinedbymartycozad No, there is a Holy Spirit, It's just not a "Trinity".
@@DavidHNotsari thanks, thinking.