Introduction to the "Questioning Paul" Document
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What has the Church hidden from you? Do you know the Truth or just what you have been told? Do you want the rest of the story? Can you handle it? Was Yeshua (Jesus) a Christian? Was He a Pharisaical Jew who died for our sins? Or was He teaching something radical and different than mainstream Judaism of his day taught, something different than Mainstream Christianity today? Something that got Him killed and His message hidden after His ascension? Is the Truth still out there, buried in long-forgotten books and vague historical references by the very men that wiped out the original faith and message once delivered to the saints? I invite you to join me as I search out the original Faith of the Yeshua and the 12 Apostles.
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I’ve read his whole yahdayah blog and this Questioning Paul document in all parts… and while it’s looooonnng but it’s pretty comprehensive. It’s a great resource to the arsenal on who Paul is and who he isn’t.
Yes, I read it too. Very loooong and very detailed, difficult to read. But after reading it, I finally except Paul to be a false apostle...
Thanks for sharing this :)
Remember that this paper is at least 14 yrs old, written back in the day when a lot of us felt the same way regarding our questions of Paul. And back then, the messianic/hebrew roots movement was a part of the journey that we had to navigate through.
A lot of us were ploughing through the mess.
It would be interesting to know where the author of that particular paper stands in these current times ...?
I will add, that even though a number of us went through the different phases on our journey, such as christianity, then, messy- anic, HR etc, the key is not in pitching our tents in those 'groups', but rather pulling up our tent pegs and following the cloud .
And, This is what Matt 10:38 is actually saying, its talking about not staying stuck in a particular place, (group/mindset/doctrines) but being willing to pull up our tent pegs and following Him as He continues to open our eyes.
Much shalom
Yes! Amian
I've shared this before but one contradiction; forced me to be willing to question the Bible.
Rms 2:13
For it is NOT the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the DOERS of the law who WILL BE justified.
Rms 3:28
For we hold that one is JUSTIFIED by faith APART from the law.
People tell me its all or nothing.
Right here makes it all in question,
"please sir , can I have some more" ??? I hope that you do some more on this
You are a wonderful teacher. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and work . I really appreciate you 🙏🏽🙌🏽 God bless you and your family ☝🏾
Excellent!
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ― George Orwell
It's far easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled.
Yes..
Have you consider also perhaps that certain Bible prophecies till Daniel time unfolded in our reality like a game of mind,intellect being played on us by two involved sides(good/bad) ?
A chess game..
And that depending on whose side is winning or pulling the narrative in his stead, the game either would end up at revelation 22 since it was fullfilled completely or repeat in cycle since some elements were not present at the time or couldn't be lead to full completion..
Thus the millenial kingdom is being hidden to hide the fact that prophecies were susceptible to change or to keep them irrelevant for certain powers or make it seems like it was accomplished while it wasn't in fact..
If in many context, the prophecies appeared to match certain events happening in the past, doesn't that mean that there was a pattern of events that were similarly applying to humanity at different times(?)
My guess is that the pattern or cycle seems to repeat every 500 years (70 weeks or 490 years of Daniel prophecies) which is 'normally' followed by a millenial reign or a thousand years..
So there are man(s) of sin in fact depending on the power that be and the times and seasons.
But all paths lead to rome and his emperors as a turning point i believe..
A legend tell that Nero who was the fifth emperor of the Julio-Claudian dynasty of Rome did not die.
We see also that three 'impostors'(fictional ?) manifested after Nero's reign ended, passing as him to reclaim the roman throne of course..
This pattern of events happened each time a new roman emperor was coronated after Nero's reign..
Revelation 17 : 9-10
"9This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while."
Five have fallen, the julio-claudian emperors : Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and Nero.
Meaning the one who is, may be not Nero since he is presumably amongst the fallen five..
Notice also that three emperors had followed Nero, the flavians : Vespasian, Titus and Domitian..
Which make the number of roman emperors(5+3) matching the 8 kings of Revelation prophecy, i quote :
Revelation 17 : 11
"11The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction."
To me it seems that the one here that is coming into perdition/destruction would in fact be Titus, the one who had followed the coronation of the year of the four roman emperors and lead the destruction of the second temple of Jerusalem as the roman army commander making the abomination of desolation a reality.
He is also the one who dealt with the vesuvian volcanic eruption consequence and a roman plague..
The 8th king is stated to be amongst the seven kings in Revelation, which could be Titus or Nero in disguise under another roman emperor name(maybe Vespasian, Titus and Domitian are all pseudonyms of Nero, thus they are all this eight king here)..
Titus is in a greek myth also very similar to a greek mythical entity who is called Tityus.
He was a giant birthed by Gaia and he was punished by Apollo or Zeus for his lust after Leto, a wife lover of Zeus.
Leto who reminded me of the queen of heaven fleeing into the desert to escape the red dragon aka the scarlet woman who would be Zeus jealous wife, the goddess Hera..
Goddess Hera or Aphrodite Urania, who was the empress of Rome under multiple pseudonyms i believe like Agrippina , Berenice, Epaphrodite who is not an empress i admit but still..
There was also a Titus who as the king of the sabines was also the legendary co-regent king of Rome with Romulus..
Romulus who had for father Vulcain the god of blacksmith.
His name Vulcain reminded me of Cain in Genesis who was the first murderer since he killed his brother Abel, (like Romulus did with his brother Remus) but also the first founder of cities !
So could the man of sin be actually Cain in disguise across many generations changing pseudonyms or identities since he was stated to have gotten a mark from the Lord to hide him on earth for his murder in Genesis..
All of what i'm saying are suggestions to make a path.
To understand Bible prophecies i believe we have to make connections to Greek mythologies..
For instance, did you know that there were a tell story about a conspiration of gods raised against Zeus in which Hera drugged her husband with wine and Poseidon, Apollo, Athena, Hephaistos had managed to bind him (??)
Doesn't that feat of Hera remind you of the revelation scarlet woman who intoxicated the king of the earth by wine ?
So it is obvious that the abomination of Desolation of Daniel prophecies who referred at a time to Titus since he was the actual one leading the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD, is a prophecy that is reconductible to many times and seasons meaning the informations we are presented to by historian regarding Nero and Titus may be fictional not real, or that they are cover up for groups of people or the powers that lurk in the shadow and their hidden agenda..
The simple fact that there was a year of the four roman emperors after Nero when an eight king who is amongst the seven would go to perdition shows the narrative intention to confuse and hide the actual topic..
Titus aka Nero in disguise, i believe as the beast out of the sea or abaddon the king or angel of the abyss(as Apollo) that rises from the pit meaning earth(or earth entrail) like Tityus did inside of Gaia here is accompanied by the false prophet Paul the apostle who had set up the roman empire fictional narrative and roman gospel into the Bible to make an image of the beast and put to death everyone that do not adore its image.
Paul is oddly the first one to claim and speak about roman citizenship in the Bible, the book of acts where no one where talking about it in the first place meaning he was a roman governor if not 'a' roman emperor in disguise..
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I love it ,its a Paul wave ,must be stressed ,but the bend of law had to start sometime,Love the title
So when you prayed for wisdom your desire was the same as the desire of Mother Eve. To know right from wrong, to understand what God is doing in the world.
Thank you
Very interesting hearing this about Muhammad and Paul because I've noticed that they are the the only people that claimed to have been taken to a third heaven. That makes me think they both met the same...thing. (Most likely Satan.)
Many people over several years have been told in a dream or from Yah himself that Paul was a false prophet. That what he learned and wrote, he received from Peter and the other apostles. When they shared it with others, they were rejected in a big and some as a result left the faith. Remember Paul himself said that he was a Pharisee of the Pharisees. So his portion that it is the Bible is true, but some with Paul’s spin on it.
Still looking fir evidence e that Saul/Paul actually existed. He has not made it into the historical record anywhere. I see the Pauline letters as religious propaganda, to undermine the Jewish revolt against Rome and create a pacifistic religion to make the peasants easier to control.
What are your thoughts about how the Freemasons celebrate the Gutenberg Bible, the first published bible with the added writings of Paul purposely separated into 13 books? It was published by the con man Johannes Gutenberg after they say the “dark ages” ended, which many feel really was the millennium kingdom with us now being in the short season before the great white throne judgement of Yah, but Satan changed the times and laws of God.
2 Cor 12:7 does not say paul was possessed by a demon, it says he was being pestered by a messenger of the adversary sent to strike him, most likely referring to his adversary James, who sent letters & withheld commendation, and his apostles whom Paul 21:53 called the apostles of satan or the super apostles.
That's a translation that hides the truth. The Greek says "angelos Satana" (ἄγγελος Σατανᾶ".
Angel means messenger.
@@gustaffuniAnd the Angel of Satan refuses to deliver Paul.
Paul is a fictitious character in Roman propaganda materials . Therefore, no demon was tormenting him.😊
Sho-el / שואל is to question, she-ol / שאול is abyss or Sheol.
If all that a person needs to do is to pray for wisdom then all understanding will come them, no one needs to listen to anyone about anything. Just pray. Quit making videos to explain what others need to HEAR AND DO. Oh, by the way I too am a so-called Eboniym/ Nazariym. Much Shalom to you.
I'm trying to explain the same thing to others , if you're going to use Paul's pro-Torah words or his verses that sound nice you have to ignore the multiple times that he is clearly anti-Torah and/or prideful , arrogant and boastful . This is precisely what 119 Ministries does , I left a comment on this video of there's , I capitalized the parts of Paul's words that they purposely neglected :
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@koreyoneal2623 I used to love 119 Ministries, but I haven't listened to them in years. They are an excellent example of what I was talking about in the video: they prop up the lie that Paul is just misunderstood and/or mistranslated.
@@DavidHNotsari you brushed upon something else that I like to point out to others , someone might be able to quote verse after verse but I'd be willing to bet that they've spent so much time just trying to memorize the verses that they can tell you what the verses say but they probably can't tell you what the verses mean
@koreyoneal2623 Absolutely! They will memorize a single sentence out of a conversation and try to use that to "prove" something the author never intended. The one that has kept coming up lately is people who memorize Matthew 15:11, and try to use that to say that they can eat anything they want and it does not defile their body: swine, shrimp, cockroaches, mudpies, antifreeze, cyanide, etc, it's all "on the table" now. But they seem unable to process the fact that the whole conversation is about >>>bread
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False. You are sowing doubt to believers. God is all powerful. Don't you get it. The Devil is not stronger than Jesus nor is anyone. Which means God can protect his own word.
@greg384 what is false? Do you have a specific point from the video to address?
When in the video did I say that God is not all powerful?
When did I say the devil is more powerful than Jesus or that God does not have the ability to protect His own word?
@DavidHNotsari You used to believe Paul's writings. What happened? Why did you let the Devil enter your mind? Remember the devil can send a lying spirit like was given in the old testament. You have to pray to God from the heart. Im basically saying that you are not giving God credit. You ignore hard facts and put aside the fact that everything in the old testament points to Jesus. Likewise everything in the new as well. You are dealing with Law vs Grace in Paul's teachings. You misinterprete scripture and don't fully understand what Paul is saying to Peters point. It being hard to understand. Paul is not lawless, Paul just understood that you cannot keep the law perfectly because the only way to keep the law perfectly is to be sinless. And no man is sinless except Christ. Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone. No one could. So everyone left and only Jesus was left. You must correctly understand Paul's teachings but not really his teachings alone, you must really understand all the scriptures. Because if you did understand it, you would understand why without Paul everyone is lost. Because Paul teaches about God's grace and mercy that saves (Mount Zion). And also teaches about the Law that condemns (Mount Sinai). Jesus backs his teachings because. God gave the law to man. Man said they could keep it perfect. God knew they could not. Which is why they had to sacrifice bulls and goats for their sins every year. If man could keep the law they would not have sinned, and if you have no sin you can get into heaven. But Jesus came because no man could keep the law, and thereby sinning and going to hell. Jesus who is God in flesh. Came down and died and took upon our sins to be a once and for all sacrifice that was acceptable to the Lord. So there was no longer and need to sacrifice bulls and goats from year to year. Jesus was the final and only real worthy sacrifice to take away sins not cover them.
Please watch these 2 videos for more insight.
I'm not trying to be a troll or hate on you or anything of the sort. I'm trying humbly to give you clarification so you are not in error.
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@@DavidHNotsari Also you are badly mistaken in 2nd Corinthians 12:7. You said Paul was demon possessed? It never once said he was demon possessed. Let's look at it
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.”
It said there was a messenger from Satan. A thorn in the flesh. You are not even objective. Can you at least properly translate scripture? This is not a hard scripture to understand.
Jesus was showing Paul a lot of revelation about himself. So he does not get leavened or puffed up. Or boastful, God allow the Devil to send a messenger to him to be a thorn in his side, or in the flesh. And the purpose of this was so that he would stay humble and not exhalt himself above anyone and feel like he is greater. The thorn in the flesh part is a figure of speech meaning an annoyance of some kind. If you don't believe me look it up for yourself and do this scripture justice. Don't make up false statements.
And the people who are giving you information don't understand themselves. Even though they go to seminary. I have never been to seminary because you don't need it. All you need it Jesus. Paul wasn't mistranslated.
Watch these 2 videos for more insight to understand how people always misunderstand scripture it's not just you.
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@greg384 What happened to cause me to disbelieve Saul? I studied, I read the things Saul said and compared them to what Jesus said. I saw where Jesus warned about Saul over and over. I read the awful things Saul said about the real apostles.
I cannot get over the irony that Saul literally says he was possessed by an "angel of satan" and you believe everything he says, despite the fact that he contradicts 90% of what the Bible says. Then I point out that we should be following Jesus, not Saul, and you accuse me of letting the devil enter my mind. Saul contradicts Jesus, says he is possessed by an "angel of satan" and you deny that that's true... I tell you to follow Jesus and you think I'm possessed by a devil.... I think that may be the dumbest most ironic mindset I've ever experienced. Do you really think the devil's intention is to possess people and get them to "trick" you into following Jesus?
If everything in the Bible points to Jesus, why are you following Saul the demon-possessed? Shouldn't you be following Jesus? You have literally rejected Jesus for Saul, you said it yourself "without Paul everyone is lost". Will you listen to yourself, you have kicked Jesus off the throne and declared Saul to be your savior!
And Peter doesn't say that Saul writes things that are "hard to understand" The Greek word dysnoeta means "destroys sense" or "nonsense". That is what your issue is, you've let Saul infect your mind to the point that it has destroyed your sense when it comes to reading Scripture. Almost everything you believe is backwards.
@greg384 You said to me "You are not even objective. Can you at least properly translate scripture? This is not a hard scripture to understand." with regards to 2 Corinthians 12:7.
Okay, well, did you even look up the Greek words to check the translation, or are you just making a baseless claim that I'm wrong? The Greek words are "angelos satana". How would you translate that? You don't think that "angelos" should be translated "angel"? Really?
"Angelos" is used 176 times in the New Testament, 169 times it is translated "angel". So you think the Bible translators mistranslated the word "angelos" 169 times? 6 times they translated it as "messenger" when it was obviously referring to a human, 3 times referring to John the Baptist, 2 times messengers from John, and 1 time was the messengers from Moses who stayed with Rahab. There is only one time in the entire New Testament that "angelos" is translated "messenger" when it is referring to a supernatural being, and that is 2 Corinthians 12:7. So, if I understand you correctly, you with all of your advanced knowledge of Greek are saying that "angelos" does not mean "angel" it only means "messenger" and the translators of the Bible screwed it up 169 times and only got it right 7 times? If you think the Bible translators were correct those 169 times that they translated it as "angel", why am I wrong to translate the word in 2 Corinthians 12:7 the same way, why are you advocating for being inconsistent in the way this word is translated? It's a rhetorical question, I know the reason, you don't want it translated honestly because it exposes Saul with being possessed, that is the ONLY reason that word is translated "messenger" and not "angel" in that verse. You are the one being "not even objective", not me. You are the one "making up false statements", not I.
And Saul said the satanic angel was a thorn in his flesh, "in the flesh" is possession, not a mere annoyance. You're ignoring the text and twisting it to say something it doesn't because you are in denial of the truth.