HOI4 Guide - 4 Things you didn't know about Static Anti-Air
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
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Static Anti-Air is probably the real unsung hero of HOI4. It's that building that everyone know is there, but no one really cares about - me included until now.
So, in regular fashion, I spent half my sunday testing - And to be honest, I didn't really expect to find that much interesting... ...but I think I really stumbled into a few things that are really worth while, that I don't think many of you know about. So please enjoy :)
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0:00 Intro
0:54 Anti-Air vs Air Power Projection
4:08 Bombing Damage Reduction
6:48 Shout-outs & upcoming guides
7:33 Dispersed Industry vs Static Anti-Air
9:49 Static Anti-Air Hit Chance
12:43 Outro - Hry
Good video! Static AA is underrated. Especially in mods like Kaiserreich where you're dealing with a more competent AI. You really should have it as Germany in that game, otherwise France attempt to CAS the hell out of you.
I totally agree! I never really prioritized it until now :) /Badger
I don't think static AA does anything on CAS missions, but it will shoot at log strike attempts.
AFAIK, static AA also has an effect on parachuting, port strikes, logistics bombing. Material for a second video😊 ?
Now I’m intrigued! It might definitely be enough for a new guide if it’s any good :) /Badger
I found out the hard way that static AA is quite good. I was once playing a modded game against AI and I saw a bunch of static aa in a zone and honestly didn't care. 500 strat bombers later I realized not only was my bomber fleet gone but every single day they did damage, it was so little it was repaired the very next day. 80% is absolutely insane and if I'm not mistaken it applies to the AA too, so you can just give up strat bombing.
Yeah, it can be incredibly powerful :) but if they don’t repair, the bomber can get the upper hand once grinding it down. But still, yeah
I started using static AA as France and was incredibly surprised how useful it actually was. Shot down a lot more bombers than I expected, even with only 1-3 levels invested (I went with 5).
Yeah! This is new to me exactly how strong it is! Thanks for sharing :)
You guys hoi4 videos are great!! I've been looking into a good channel that can explain game mechanics clearly and concisely and I think I've found it here!! Just subscribed, please keep the great content coming.
Thanks a lot mate! That really means a lot to hear! /Badger
Glorious guide!
Thanks mate!!
Awesome video!
Thanks a lot :)
Great guide, thank you! I would really like it if you add a recommendations part to your guides. For example, after walking through the impact of Static AA give us your easy to digest suggestions - like build Static AA in industry centers, especially if you are on concentrated industry. Does it make sense to upgrade static AA only for preventing landings in Normandy or would that be an inefficient use of resources?
That is a very good feedback point that me and Boppus talked about last night thanks to you. Thank you! /Badger
I am actually surprised that Static Air defence is not used more often.
I use it as Russia and build in captured Polish territories after the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
It helps the Russian airforce, who even though they lose allot of planes by the beginning of 1943 you are starting to see yellow and then green air against the Luftwaffe.
I think its because the meta is just to build a truck ton of fighters to archive air superiority.
and instead of spending civ industry on AA guns they make weapon factories to make more fighters.
because this is Europe we got Logistic hubs every 3 space.
we got lots of train lines and good infrastructure.
we alos have tons of high level airport meaning we will not run of out parking space for our aircraft.
meanwhile AA guns are static after you built them and the front moved well they become useless.
Im not sure if player builds bunkers beyond maybe on mountain ranges or other spots where they go I will just walk around then deal whit the front so I build bunkers and put this specificity designed div template there to guard it.
I think in general it’s really useful to build where you have focused defensive lines with forts or concentration of industry :)
@@Zack_Wester You can counter this by putting AA guns with your infantry division.
That actually works as your divisions are naturally mobile.
The trouble is that the Russian German front if it is done correctly becomes a large stalemate with units being static, and combat not really moving.
I have tried the Fighter approach and it does work, however it takes time to get eventual superiority.
I have found this with the German and also the Russians as well.
That is because there is so much demand on your airforce to try and cover the front and protect against bombing raids.
Hence the static AA, as even when the front moves the Germans will still try and bomb you, and later id you get into a war with the Allies the same will occur.
@@hyggegaming Yes I can definitely see the virtues of this method!
@@Hutcho72 the thing whit AA guns in the mobile division is that thoes can only target Fighter and cas fighting on the front line.
any Tactical/strategical bombers flying towards Berlin 50 miles behind the frontline can´t be targeted (to far upp).
There was a reason why the first computer used was a calculator for AA guns shooting at strategical bombers because it took the shells like 30 sec to get up there.
anyway back on topic the only thing that can hit Strategical bombers are Static AA (that you build) and Light/heavy fighters.
(not sure if its just intercept mission or if Air superiority also works).
Does it help defend against close air support / reduce damage to ground troops in region? Does it shoot down enemy fighters / close air support / recon etc etc or only enemy planes on strategic bombing ?
I tested the above that you ask for, and it does not defend directly against CAS. It does however removes a bit of the air superiority debuff you get from enemy air (including CAS on missions). But apart from that, it is targeting enemy bombers on strategic bombing, correct. Someone in the comments also claimed it helps against logistic strikes and port strike, but I haven’t tested :)
@@hyggegaming does make sense as Historically the static AA was located a bit away from the front designed to take out or at least tell bombers and what not to bugger off.
plus the static AA guns was huge like Frontline AA that was shoting at fighters and CAS Might be a Machine gun or a small auto cannon.
meanwhile the static AA was massive sending it shells so far that the nation that could build a calculator was wining the war just on that part.
Like me shoting at a plane whit a MG at the front the shoot would hit the aircraft in 0.5 to 2 sec later.
the static AA was shooting at targets 10-15 sec away (the lead was insane).
I have found putting AA support units in your division templates actually does help against CAS, if each other your divisions on the front have AA guns in them, that is allot of guns shooting at the enemy, reducing their effectiveness.
Along side that of your fighters, having AA guns in your division template I think effects the mechanics of air superiority.
can you show the people what signal company and battlefield interdition spirit does to a battle with CAS support?
I’ve written it down in my backlog of guides :) /Badger
@@hyggegaming thanks,
Also good to metion if there is any point to increase TAC ground attack to 50 with med bomb bay +tank gun II, 2xsmall bomb bay and heavy bomb + MIO, or 150 ground attack per enemy width is just an overkill, and lower ground attack cheaper planes are more then sufficient, to provide deorg and air support.
Imagine on 20 width you make 3000 cas damage.
Ofcourse if the enemy has CAS damage reduction it can be around 1500, but still what can sustain such a blow aginst no def or armor can protect?
Really good thoughts. I don’t know tbh if it’s worth while. But would be interesting to test :)
@@hyggegaming to fully close the topic it would be also nice to know many air attack you need to not be distrupted, and how many to efficently CAS/LOG strike hunt fighters(1 rocket pod + max air attack on interceptor or air sup planes.
The CAS agility bonus from doctrine and +25% contious strike officer corps on all stat can work wonders on dogfights. + MIO bonuses for small frame or cas frame designers. You can get the best "fighters"
I’ve written down to myself to go back to this thread once I unwrap this topic, to get proper inspiration :) thank you so much
do you recommend building AA from the start or should I wait if the enemy really is a threat to not waste production?
I think you answer the question a bit yourself :) but.. I would probably have a look at my enemies plane production getting closer to the war, and then prioritize any defensive points and build AA there just in case. For example if I play the UK, I would probably build AA on Gibraltar, Malta, Singapore, Alexandria etc no matter what.
defo not at the start. You want as much production as you can squeeze out of your country and policies on civs.
@@gots0359 Plus you can always build static AA when the war starts or near the start (they only take like a week to build).
and you can build it as the battle rages on (can´t do that whit bunkers at the front) if there is a fight on the tile where a bunker is been built it will stop building and the worker will do something else.
Is there a difference if I concentrate the AA in one tile of an air zone instead of spreading it around?
It makes all the difference in terms of defending he actual building in the given state where they are built. As the damage reduction is per state. But it doesn’t matter for the shot-down or air superiorty
@6:53 maybe not the right nation to test I'd be curious how the US and UK fair, moreso US since they get so much for strat bombing.
The rest is stuff you learn if you just don't want to give any ground as the Soviets....like literally no stepping back.
Nice summary. One question you don't reply: is it better to spread static AA in the air region, or concentrate for max capacity in key provinces?
It seems to me it's better to spread, for the same total number of static AA pieces.
For the effect of air superiority it doesn’t matter if it’s spread or not. But regarding bomber protection, I would always prioritize one region at a time to get it to lvl 5, then move on to the next. Starting with the one with most industry or with an important fort line to defend
@@hyggegaming Oh yes, that's correct related to installed capacity. On the other hand, since static AA only impacts planes targeting the precise region, and not those plane travelling by, on the long run spreading might have an interest.
Soon as I have at least 15 civs and 10 mils, I immediately begin building level 5 AA if I'm playing a smaller country and won't really be doing air.
I would wait until there’s an imminent threat of being attacked, not to waste any production on that too early. But maybe that’s what you do then :)
@hyggegaming Fair point, but with smaller countries there's a tendency to run out of building slots sometimes. This usually happens when I play Switzerland.
Can you explain how defense really work?
I read it somewhere that your high defense doesn't matter, for example if you have 1k defense, enemy have 100 soft attack, so it gonna reduce 100 soft attack to half. Same if you have 100 defense. (I just read it somewhere, don't know if it true or not).
Also about breakthrough, I just understand it as "defense when attack" but still don't know how it really work.
Defense reduces the chance your enemy hits
1 Defense reduces the chance of 1 Attack hitting you
Breakthrough does the same but on the offense
So yes you only want as much defense as the enemy attack if you have more it doesnt give you a debuff though
@@segl1281 so high breakthrough doesn't mean anything?, or it work difference.
We have fortunately made two guides on this subject :) here’s the first: czcams.com/video/QgFS_-3BtMM/video.htmlsi=YXgRzUu-fo6UbZkS
Here’s another one:
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@@hyggegaming Epic video man, I mean it just basic concept of HOI4, but still confuse after 1k hour, 5-10 minute solve it, explain super clear, you guy channel are super underrated.
Also, do you guy have any videos explain about tactics. The one general using in battle, I almost never care about it or look into it tooltips. I just know that if I have higher recon, than I counter their tactics, so better bonus?
Based video.
I'd have to be feeling reeeeeeally bored or desperate to look at my AA tab lol
Haha! That’s why I looked at it ;)
Personally love static AA, I always build it
Yeah, I just learned to really like it :)
Static anti-air was a huge problem for the UK and Americans. Hundreds of pilots and crew members, and hundreds of bombers were lost. Make them pay any way you can.
In the game they give you lots of breathing room to react. And helps with micro.
Also realistically, dispersed and condensed industry It was both used in combination depending on the area.
It's annoying you can't have both. It would make the game more interesting
Yeah, I agree to all your points :) I think it’s difficult to design something in a game that takes everything into account and still makes it playable and fun, And luckily I think they are doing a pretty good job :)
I wonder what would happened if strat bombers were just hitting static aa first.
That is a very good question. I also thought about it afterwards, but I haven’t had time to try yet :) it would probably work quite well from the bomber side, however, they are quite quickly repaired
depends on your capability to repair them and if you activly focus to prioritize there repair.
Somehow when building full zone 5/5 AA while AI is strategic bombing and infrastructure bombing, i m not shooting down lot of planes, however when i strat with heavy armor bombers, i m getting shot down like 20 planes a day. 😢
Now you should be able to watch in the “war screen summary” how many planes you actually shoot down quite easily, just to check it isn’t a data problem. But try increase the hit chance under radar tech :)
Also, static AA is better at shooting down strat bombers than anything else. They aren't terrible against dive bombers, but I have seen minimal effect against fighters.
i use aa to defend forts.
That’s good thinking!’
Most videos titled "Things you didn't know about ..." are very disappointing. This one is no exception. I don't know why these streamers believe they know more than the average Joe. Maybe they are delusional? It seems this one hasn't even read the wiki. I see some knowledgeable comments in the chat. They have read the wiki, and the streamer is surprised - LOL. I would prefer to have seen a video from one of the commentators. I very much like to watch test of the mechanics of the game - especially when all aspects of the subject are tested systematically.
I’m sorry to hear you didn’t like it. We do our best doing guides on all skill levels. And If I’m not mistaken you’ve been watching a lot of our content and just recently turned negative, as most of your older comments are positive. Anyways, not fun to get a comment like this. /Badger
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To be fair in his thumb nail he says "I had no idea and now I love it" so it's not like he's pretending to be all knowing. I think you've just had a bad day mate