Looking at Marc Bergevin's Trade and Draft History
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2017
- I was going to wait a bit on this one, but why not give it a shot today? Bergevin might very well be out of work by this time next year or even before the 2018 draft. Let me know your thoughts on his work.
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“Shaw is a poor-man’s Gallagher” is my new favorite quote from you, Shannon
Mine is "I RODE THE BENCH LIKE...LIKE A SON OF A BITCH!" He was doing an impression of how Glenn Healy often seemed really angry on tv.
And he makes more than Gallagher 😂
Subban made more than Price. That was a much worse situation. Signing Subban for $9M was really the only rookie mistake Begevin made. He lost his nerve and caved into the press instead of trusting his instincts. PK went toxic when he refused to play in his contract dispute; that's when PK's brand and the money became more important than his teammates. That set the team development back about 2 or 3 years and it will take that long to flush the toxicity out of the system. They're back on the right track now but not there yet. I hope Galchenyuk can get back on track. There's more character on the ice now for him to learn from.
My god you know absolutely nothing, Guy. The team development set back 2 or 3 years? The team made the conference finals and semi-finals the following 2 years. After trading Subban they were knocked out in the first and are on pace for missing the playoffs altogether. I'd say trading him was a bigger setback to the team's development than signing him was, based on facts at least. I know those don't matter to you, though.
Players in arbitration discussion are not allowed to play as per the CBA.. You can't play when you aren't signed, teams can't play players they don't own the rights to. Subban wanted to sign for less than he ended up getting, he just wanted more term because he loved the team. You talk like the guy personally bought your mother from slave-owners or something, how could you possibly know the guy who donated the most of any Canadian athlete in history cares more about money than his teammates? You're talking out of your ass. He was willing to take a cheaper contract, he just wasn't willing to get ripped off immediately following a Norris-trophy. I don't see you complaining about Price's $10.5M contract though.
Bergevin is the one who decided to drag the negotiations into arbitration because he wanted to pay less than 8 million, the league had a hearing and decided that the norris-winning Subban was worth 9 million, but for 7 years instead of the 8 years Subban's agent was pushing for. Bergevin thought he could pay him less than he was asking but the league had to jump in and tell him that Subban was worth more than he was asking for. Who sounds like the bigger asshole here? Subban was willing to take a deal, and Bergevin wanted a better one.
If Bergevin hadn't have cheaped out, he could have signed Subban to a good deal for $8M for 8 years. He thought he was smarter than that, turns out he wasn't (shocker), so he ended up having to pay him what he was worth ($9M) instead.
Both a little reckless in the way they play. Lol
Man this is depressing... he should've signed Radulov and kept Sergachev + Markov... just a disaster!
Your just talking smack about Bergevin because he's French;
- Radulov would have partied himself to death in Montreal; he also wanted to play in the U.S.; he went for the chicks and the money. It was always going to be a one-year experiment. Bergevin was brilliant for signing him in the first place.
- Mete is better than Sergachev and a better match for Weber; we needed a mobile defenseman, not a big guy with a good shot; Habs needed a top-line center and got one in Drouin; it was a win-win trade
- Markov went back to Russia for family reasons because his wife died and he decided it would be better for his kid if he moved back to Russia for now; Bergevin was classy in allowing Markov to miss a large part of last season to deal with his family crisis; also, Markov is too old to play a full season+playoffs; just a hunch, I think he'll be back at the end of the season after Russia wins the Olympics and be fresh for the playoffs.
His wife didn't die, they got married...
Lmao, the shit that comes out of your keyboard is entertaining as hell, Guy. I'll give you that. Where do you come up with this bs?
Markov wanted way too much money, Drouin will get in the groove of things sooner rather than later, but losing Radulov definitely was a blow.
Markov also only wanted 1 year. 5 mil for 1 year leaves over 3 mil of cap space for habs to play with and they would have a coherent d-core again. Drouin is probably the habs best player right now, at least offensively. Just not sure about his performance as a center. I see all the same issues in his play at C that Galchenyuk had. All the offensive prowess in the world, but poor defensive awareness and low faceoff ability. If neither is going to be a legit 2-way, I'd say going for size down the middle would yield better results, also Galchenyuk has been awful as a winger and was almost point-per-game as a center. Either way, if the team could play the way it did last night a little more often, it wouldn't matter so much who plays where.
Radulov was probably the one who wanted too much money, but seeing as we didn't spend it anyway *and* we lost Markov, losing him was really just unnecessary. Habs could have offered an extra 500k and not re-signed one of the AHL players, if they were really that concerned about cap space.
Hayden Hawkey lol. That's now my second favourite name for a hockey player.
First has to be Bram Vanderkracht. When I first heard the announcers saying his name (at the 1991 Memorial Cup) it sounded like Ram Van der Crash! And he was a goon! With a name like that, he was destined to play hockey or football or rugby.
I don't know why but this is one of my favorite videos from you, there's something extra entertaining about it and I've watched this multiple times
I think you really should do a follow up video from this.
Thanks you Shannon! I've asked for this for a while now!
Montreal needs to get a new General Manager. It's time for a fresh start. Juilien Brisebois in Tampa looks like the perfect Candidate for the position
As I said above though, not right now. He won't be able to do much.
Morris Berger-Poll this comment aged poorly
Brisebois has proven that he can keep a top team on top, but he hasn’t built anything himself…
Do a Look at Garth Snow Draft and Trade History
Avsfan9601 Go Avs Go That would be such a long vid, but it'd be so good too
czcams.com/video/rY97Zfa6GeI/video.html
Shawn Watson
Yeah I didn't like that video
Could you do Dean Lombardi draft/trade history please
Avsfan9601 Go Avs Go Wait he's still alive? Hold my beer.
Great video! I would love to see a video like this on Doug Wilson with free agent, trades and draft. Keep up the great work you're doing! :)
Okay, Galchenyuk was born in the states, doesnt mean he isnt Russian. Thats like saying Nylander isnt Swedish because he was born in Canada. Hes a Swede just as Galchenyuk is a Russian. Hes not an American like Kessel or Kane. So, thats that.
He is still not Russian, Alex is of Belarusian descent.
Culturally he would be more American or Italian (the other language he speaks)
He plays for USA internationally
Galchenyuk says he is American and he gets angry if you call him Russian.
Shea Weber is a rich man's Sheldon Souray
I've thought this since he came to Montreal haha. It's Souray, except slower and twice the price.
I agree with that but Souray's +/- rating's even worse than Weber's.
Hahaha, yeah ok
Imagine Sergachev, Markov, Subban, and Radulov with the core that is there now. Bergevins is a goof.
Interesting stuff. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the owner of the Canadiens has been in talks with Patrick Roy now, possibly being the next GM. Either the Coach or the GM is going to be the escape goat.
I love the Shaw trade because they got debrincat back
Dude nice videos. 👍🏼
The draft problem for Montreal was really between the 2008 and 2012 drafts. 2013 and onwards is looking better in terms of getting potential NHL players. Chuck, Gallagher, and Beaulieu were the only players to become NHL regulars for Montreal at some point during the 2008 to 2012 periods. You can see the full draft history of Montreal at: www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00006929.html
Drafting is a crap shoot at best unless it's a Mathews or McDavid where it's more like winning the lottery. Only reason its important is because the press needs to keep on blabbing in the summer months. Look at Beaulieu ... lots of talent, size, defenseman and seems a no brainer in the draft to replace Markov next to Subban ... a couple of months later the guy is in court with his overbearing Dad because of assault charges ... who knew he was a headcase? All of a sudden you're not a GM anymore, you're a family therapist, social worker, and a surrogate father figure. Too bad Weber wasn't there to help deal with that the way he's doing with Mete.
Habs need a new gm Molson suck it up bering in Patrick roy he is a winner he has 4 cups
I don't understand why people think Gallagher is a pest. He hangs around the net but he never does anything dirty or aggravating. Hanging around the crease is annoying for opposing defense, sure, but it's not like he does anything questionable when he's there. And other than that he's just a motor around the ice. Montreal has had a lot of pests over the years in Ribeiro, Lapierre, Lemieux, etc.. but Gallagher doesn't have the big mouth or attitude that any of those players had. He's just a hard worker. He may just be the next captain if Pacioretty moves this summer.
Zach Bonnell he reminds me of steve shutt
Watched the Steve Dangle podcast on the Habs, it was pretty hilarious, but the idea of Bergevin holding on to the end of the season, grabbing a high draft pick and throwing a butt-ton of cap space at Tavares is pretty wild.
As a fan of both the Preds and the Lightning, I must say that Bergevin is a very fine GM.
as a another divisional rival, I agree.
You are mental.
Can we trade him for your GM? Since you guys like him
Hawkey knows how to hockey!
Like your videos...could you do one on Habs upcoming draft, potential trades and free agency. ALong with Bouchard and Ducharme coming on board?
DSP did really well in jersey after the trade. It was the next season that he fell off the cliff scoring wise and we let him go
With the exception of the Weber-Subban trade, if you look at each trade or draft pick individually, Bergevin would get an average grade. The most glaring issue during his reign as GM is team management/roster construction. A lot of moves are reactionary and he ends up fixing one hole while creating another. He definitely looked short term with many trades despite (smartly) avoiding signings that would handcuff the team long term. In the end, the team is not in position to win now nor are they set up to be successful in the future. The best Montreal will be is a a bubble playoff team that could go on a lucky run if Price carries the team on his back.
Are you a psychic?
Now a second and a 5th for petry is good but the oilers used that second for talbot and that 5th was used to pick there top defensive prospect Ethan bear
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it hurts to know that Montreal could've had a scary blue line (Theodore, Riley, Subban, Sergachev) that could seriously produce offensively and have the best goalie in the world between the pipes. I know drafting is some luck but to know that they could've had that is depressing.
Can you do things like these for "good" GM's as well? Like ones perceived as doing a good job, also appreciate the video, really well done man.
I would love to see one for Jarmo Kekalainen, particularly because he's had some pretty controversial moves, one example being bringing in Tortorella, and seems to have clawed his way back from being thought of as one of the worst GMs to one of the best.
Hey man that's a pretty good topic idea! Do the spotlights on the better/best of the GMs in the leagues history
Should redo this video for this year. He looks a lot smarter now.
And everyone looks dumb now lol
you'll excuse me ifI don't give Bergevin "some Credit"!
Still amazed that there was a bunch of good stuff.
The problem was the farm team and the fact that a TON of players does not equal 1 elite player. They need less High end plumbers.
Totally agreed on shaw
Yes he has
to me, the Shaw trade really hurts since Chicago used that 2nd round pick to select DeBrincat who would have helped the scoring and fill a top 6 forward spot.
Time to revisit the Subban-Weber trade perhaps?
Montreal's problems today were helped in part by Montreal's drafting record between 2008 to 2011. They ended up with 2 nhl players from those 4 draft years (Gallagher and Beaulieu).
How about a video on which active players are likely to have their numbers retired?
Like I said for Jim Benning, the drafting is more on the scouts than the GM
Price is the only asset the Habs can trade for value. He has a modified NTC (15 clubs list) that become NMC next summer.
I have that hat that you’re wearing (well,that you did wear 4 years ago). NHL winter classic 2016, Foxboro.
That is quite ironic,Marc Bergevin who was a ex- NHL defenseman who played over 1000 games in 20 seasons in the NHL, doesn't know how to evaluate defensemen( both pro and ameuter talent).
Zack Steele I don’t think he knew how to play Defense that well. I mean, he threw the puck into his own net.
Looking back at what he did apart from the Drouin trade (which I still think can become a W if he pans out), he's made some great moves and with one of the deepest prospect pools in the league, the future is bright if he plays his cards right.
I'm commenting on this before the video finishes, so forgive me if gets brought up.While watching Sportsnest go over Bergevin's recent trade history, I can't help but wonder if he's just trying to bring in more Canadian players. I know some insist it's a Russian thing (as you've just mentioned (and agree with the fact Galchenyuk identifies as an American)) but don't believe that's what it is. Let's not forget this is Montreal. Where you should speak French! I remember grumblings when Koivu was named Captain. Some believe the whole roster should be Canadian players, if not French-Canadian. Montreal's glory days died when lost their hold on the Quebec draft. More recently it feels like their woes are tied with the fiasco that was firing Therrien for Julian. On an aside, yeah, Radulov's contract may be a bit long, but hardly the worst contract out there. Not to mention it's not like Bergevin hasn't done worse.
Best habs GM ever
Hawkey? That’s awesome xD
U should do this for all gms!
Can you make a video on Vegas wearing their road jerseys at home and what it may mean for the NHL in terms of what to wear at home
Do one for Sakic next
Mtl is getting a top 4 pick in this years ( 2018 ) draft along with 4 2nd rounders ! If mtl
can get Tavaras he'll look like a genius ! Plus. Price and Webber will be healthy. He's got cap space $ . I predicted that they would'nt make the playoffs this year (2018) and i predict that they will next year 2019. 2019? Jesus Christ where does the time go ?
When you add it all up, Bergevin has done just fine. Only the Subban trade is questionable simply because Edmonton traded Taylor Hall for Larsson within the same hour. Always believed we could have gotten both Hall and Eberle in a subban deal.
It was either PK or Patches at the time and Patches was named captain so PK had to go.
Even the Subban trade was good lol, I'm literally one of the only ones that saw that Bergy was doing well
Expecting the axe to fall very soon
What could the GM do right now? You want him gone, right now, so the new should make moves to help the team, right now. At this stage most teams have what they have, and they'll just be looking to fill someone in, or gear up for the playoffs.
Doesn't make sense. The strategy is to trade for a big elite center with a high cap hit either later in the season or to sign one next summer. I don't think Molson is going panic and blow up the team just because butt-hurt Subban fans on Twitter are squawking.
Oof
Subban for Weber is his signature move. While he made other mistakes here and there this was the one mistake that can't be repaired.
THG needs a podcast!
Bergevin is also a defenceman who scored on his own net.
I think Bergevin is the first GM fired this year
1st trade bergevin made, he said he acquired an offensive defensemen and we ended up with a bad TWD with a bad contract (Petry)...
Could ya do this video again?
Bergevin's NHL career highlight is for throwing the puck into his own net.
Chucky is still there cause he hasn't shown promise and once he does and if they do decide to trade him, he'll be more valuable in the market compared to now.
how can you wear that jersey without feeling sick?
still an ugly ass sweater
I like this video
pk is lowkey the best defensive defenseman
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTAND THE LOSS FOR THE HABS IN THE SERGACHEV-DROUIN
Notify me when Sergachev reaches his potential
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well dfance has changed so much from grit to speed. webber is proof he like checking over speed and puck control
Bergevin was okay and I was supportive of him until the Subban trade, I wasn't against him at this point either I didn't like it but saw the possible upside of it. But right after that it's been weak decisions one after another except for signing Radulov and trading Pateryn for Benn. I was very disappointed by the loss of Andrighetto. Sergachev vs Drouin is ok but the picks make no sense for me.
Can you make a Victoria Cougar s video buddy?
bergevin was the directionless high stakes gambler of GM's. if his moves worked (rarely), you got highs like the 2021 finals run. when they didn't work (which they mostly didn't), you got what the habs were outside of the 2021 finals run: a mediocre team carried by Carey Price with first round exit upside if literally every single thing went right.
Hey THG wondering if you could gives this Habs fan some desperate hope lol what do you think the chance of a 7th round pick (Jake Evans) could actually make the NHL? He's looked good in the NCAA over his almost 4 years.
I don't know anything about Jake Evans (size, points, etc.) but for a comparable look up Tucker Poolman: drafted in the 5th round, played college hockey for 3 seasons, he's now on the bubble in Winnipeg, looks good.
hi from the future. jake evans has been an NHL mainstay for a few years now with the Habs. when he's healthy.
Markov would help via power play but he would add to the age and slow problem they have on the back end. Mete is the only Montreal defenceman that has above average speed. Weber is not fast. As well as Benn, Davidson , Alzner. Petry has good speed but overall is a very slow blue line.
Schlemko hasn’t played in a while and will probably be rusty but hopefully he will have a positive influence when he comes back.
they could've got claude giroux and i think he's french. I don't know if he said this im only at 8:48
Like I said this is a hit and miss team. They doo good things and bad things at the same time.
As an Owen Sound Attack fan not happy Montreal put Nevins the ECHL.
Do trades and draft picks by Mike Gillis!
Bergevin screwed up twice with Subban.....he had an opportunity to sign PK for $25Mil over 5 years in late 2012 or 2013 instead of having to dish out $72Mil over 8 yrs in 2014. Not only did he failed to assess the potential value of his young star player at the time but cost his employer an extra $4Mil per year thereafter until the trade in June 2016, an $8Mil+ gaffe.
Had Subban been offered and signed a 5 yr. contract in 2012/13, Bergevin would have had the most sought after contract in his hands should he decide to trade him thereafter. Bergevin had the Subban case totally under his control until the $72Mil contract which turned into a deterrent for most GMs. A a self-designed double whammy.
How interesting to observe that Price's new contract would appear to show poor judgment again on MB's part whereby Price's future value is being over-compensated. The man has demonstrated his short-term counteraction more often than his long-term ponderation.
Would love a Ken Holland edition of this
Do a history of Mike Milbury's draft and trade history
Q Jones Might as well just take a shit on camera
To be fair Theodore wasn't ranked highly Anaheim taking him in the first round surprised most everyone on the pannel he was ranked late second and Anaheims scouting team has been on point for the last few years, so I wouldn't say him going just after means he was comparable for most other GM's in the same tier as others
My perspective is that MB has won many smaller deals, and done very well with players like Petry, Renault, and now Armia (an excellent example of weaponizing cap space.) And I'd agree his drafting has been a C+, which relates to my next point: MB doesn't understand building a contender within a cap and he is awful at asset management. Every major trade has been a substantial loss AND crippled the team. For example, the team desperately needed Sergachev after the disastrous Subban trade, but instead traded him for a LW who they insisted could be converted into a C (which is absurd.) Going from Subban, Beaulieu (who did well in MTL) Sergachev and Markov to the tire fire they iced this past season is just amazing. He has gutted the team (see also Gakchenyuk) and what's worse is that he is actively engaged in a retool wherein the team has no top 6 C (or top 4 D) for several years but now he has a declining Weber on a massive deal and a 30 year old Price on a similar one. By the time any of those young players are effective NHLers those two contracts will be absolutely untradeable garbage. It's really a masterclass in dismantling what should have been a good team, and yet he's still here, lying about an obvious rebuild (and getting that wrong too)
Well that aged poorly since the prospect pool is amazing and that Subban, Galchenyuk and Sergachev trades turned out just fine...
Lol the things you say about Bergevin can be said about Benning. "Wait what we gave up the better pick in the deal"?
When the team's division rivals are all over the internet talking about how much they like your GM, it's probably time to fire him.
As I watch this Galchenyuk got trade for Domi.
Great trade,for mtl atleast
+The Hockey Guy I played with Bergevins son for hockey before.
Can you please do this for Arizona and Chayka
Dakota Mattei Can't really do this kind of video on a 1st year
Ian Zellick he's been the gm for 2 years now
My bad, but still wouldn't be much of a video
PK with Habs, was making too many mistakes, giving up to many turnovers and a cancer in the dressing room.
They should have never traded for drouin. Don't move sergachev when you haven't seen him play in a habs uniform
Habs may have to rebuild, whether they like it or not....
Habs Fans love Prusty
you forgot matt cooke!
Worst GM in the league
The Goat Brian Burke is the worst. Phil kessel for Hamilion and Seguin
There are many bad GMs in the league. Now there's an idea - GM rankings video!
TPC World That would have been great if he didn't piss away Seguin and Hamilton.
TPCWorld - Top 5 Space Videos! It was for 2 picks that turned out to be Seguin and Hamilton. He didn't trade those two players of course in hindsight it looks bad but its not as bad looking at it at the time of the trade.
So drafting was OK, thought not spectacular, and the trades started out with wins, to huge losses. With King/Ott they certainly wanted to bruise their way through the playoffs that year, but they were also on their way out.
Do this for Stan bowman
This video might need an update. MB being good is a...questionable thing now among the loyal loonies that I love! We used to mostly agree he was awful but now there is a debate on if he is bad or not. McCaron was a bad pick even if I think he was a serviceable 4th line plug with size. We could've gotten size later. Scherebak was bad but had potential, can't blame that.
Montreal didn't have a 2nd round pick in 2014 because of the Vanek trade.
rbrucerye mtl. Needed Vanek so bad this year (2018 )
We need this updated. He looked way worse 2 years ago
A year later, this analysis looks pretty sound. But not enough emphasis on the loss of Radulov, Markov and Emelin, all of whom could still be in Montreal if Bergy knew his job. (Noted the comment near the end about Bergy surprisingly not being good on picking defencemen.) See Poor Len Canayen waltwhitemansworld.blogspot.com/2018/09/poor-len-canayen-alexei-emelin-goes-home.html
Trouble is, neither Bergevin nor Molson are the kind of guys to admit a mistake.
Maybe Bergevin can evaluate fowards better because that is who he was playing against in the NHL? Know your enemy sort of deal? Either way, I wouldn't want Drouin, I just don't think he is that good. That for Sergachev? Wow. Mistake.
Its pronounced ryan pay-ling for future reference. :)
It would be interesting if someone could actually do some analysis on this topic. This seems so subjective, and people want some facts and draw conclusions from that, e.g. Post2Post counted all the points that Bergevin trades made at Canadiens, and all the points that were made away from Habs.
+Gerhard Symons It's all subjective. I can argue that Mike Gillis was a good GM for Vancouver.
Look at the size of the C (the chest crest) .. that's HUGE. (it probably looks more huge since the jersey is a size medium or perhaps a size small - optical illusion) On a size XL or XXL, that huge C is probably more normal looking. Funny .... optical illusion.
Heatley had #50in07
Gomez for MacDonough LOL thanks bergevin
Loved Bergevin's reaction after each goal when the Leafs destroyed the Habs 6-0 last night lol. Garbage gm. Garbage team. As a Leafs fan I LOVE IT.