Valve can take back VR - Valve Index 2 (Deckard)
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- Welcome back, today we're discussing Valve's VR future. This is how the Index 2 and SteamVR can make a huge comeback. While this is mostly copium there is a potential for PCVR to make a revival against Quest 2, Quest 3, and PSVR2. I hope the valve index 2 or the Deckard is everything we're waiting for and Valve gives us new VR games likes Half-Life Alyx
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We live in the wrong universe where the wrong company won the VR race. I think VR gaming would be way better now if Meta didn’t take over the market. Hopefully Valve starts clapping back because everything they put out is incredible.
Quest is great tho
Nope. Meta almost singlehandedly popularised VR to the point it is now by subsidising their headset. Valve wouldn't have done anything for the lower end price wise of the market and it would have remained extremely niche.
@@ty194 I hate to admit that you might be right, so I wont! but you might be right
@@CondemnedToBeMe I'm not a Meta as a company fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I have to call a spade a spade. The package they put together with the Quest 2 made it extremely consumer friendly. The combination of the price, it being standalone so it just works out of the box, wireless, inside out tracking (i.e. no base stations) gave VR relative mass appeal and opened up the market to most people who probably never would have tried it and it also didn't abandon the core gaming audience by keeping the PCVR functionality.
I was very skeptical when they completely absorbed Oculus, but Meta has invested heavily in this and pushed the technology further overall than Oculus ever would have on their own in the space of time they did within this price point. Like you, I hate to admit it, but from a tech point of view, it's been in good hands with Meta.
We could question the motivations of things like the Metaverse and what they really want with your information etc, but if say Valve was leading the VR charge, the tech would be moving at a snails pace and they'd probably be bored with it by now like they are with everything else they come up with.
@@CondemnedToBeMe I think he’s right. Meta made it popular. Valve would have made it better.
I suspect Valve is still waiting on some technological & manufacturing advances. I expect them to only focus on the high end, but not as expensive as Apple. As long as the Quest line can be used as PC headsets the cheaper end is covered. In effect Meta is subsidizing adoption of PCVR as a side effect of their subsidizing stand-alone VR and that takes pressure off Valve needing to rush out any new hardware to enable the expansion of PCVR.
ayo hold up LK-99 superconductors are a pretty damn big thing, that could be something
@@saltmuffinLGDPSi’m ngl i’m scared and excited for that development
Can Valve ever use 0,0001% of their money to just fund VR versions or ports of already existing VR modes for PC plz lol
If only it were that simple 😢.
They could, but the thing is, nobody actually controls valve. It’s actual anarchy. Everyone does whatever they wanna do. And the truth is that’s a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that every game produced is only released if the devs are passionate enough to finish it, but the curse is that stuff takes forever and there’s basically no organization LOL
Valve are secretive. Personally I think they will make a standalone headset that works similar to the steam deck for under $1000. It will be the best thing on the market and also be capable of PCVR via a real display port. It will sell out but hopefully become market leader, and hopefully be enough to make Meta look like a joke. I don't think they will just aim at die hard VR enthusiasts this time. The steam deck has been an experiment leading to the Index 2. But I might be completely wrong, who knows with valve.
I'm with you on this
"The steam deck has been an experiment leading to the Index 2"
No - it's an experiment to see if they can take the Switch's form factor mobility and put it to use in increasing Linux gaming marketshare.
Tim Sweeney and Epic make the most noise about distrusting MS intentions with Windows, but Valve have always been searching for an opportunity to end MS dominance in gaming platforms, with their funding of DXVK, Zink and various other initiatives for Proton being the outcome of that.
They don't need to make an Index 2 with Deck hardware - they can just tether it.
The best version of VR will always be a compromise between comfort, portability and power.
Preferably Index 2 will be able to tether both compute from a future Deck AND it's power source meaning that you don't need a heavy battery balanced on your head.
Cutting VR hardware down to just displays, optics and earphones would cut the weight of a headset significantly, thus hugely improving comfort.
Not so long ago there was all over the net a leak showing valve searching for engineers dedicated to the vr technology.
If the announce was only few months old, i fear they are still in deep waters regarding a new headset.
What Valve _should have done_ was release a refreshed Index in 2021. The only thing outdated about the Index is its resolution. It is otherwise still formidable even against the newest headsets releasing in 2023. So this refresh really would have only needed updated panels. And it would have probably made sense to throw in some low hanging fruit like improved cable routing and better joysticks to improve longevity and reduce RMAs.
Otherwise, I fear that Valve is aiming so high with the Deckard that by the time it comes out, their involvement in VR will have become essentially irrelevant in the market. A mid-refresh would have been great for staying in the game and keeping PCVR from languishing in the meantime.
It will be relevant. Like always , people complain about Valve coming late into the market but then their game and or hardware ends up being industry leader for half a decade anyway.
The refresh needs high resolution OLED panels. I bought the original Index with LCD panels, tried it once, and it's been on my shelf ever since.
people like you...are why the market is flooded with 0.5% upgrades every single year.
It just seems you love to be MILKCOWS
Upgrade only when its an upgrade.
VR problem is not the headsets, it are the games or the lack of it
As long as its micro OLED and has a brighter screen and bigger FOV than Bigscreen Beyond, I'm interested.
But resolution will not be 2560p like Beyond. When Samsung had oled with 1600p headset in 2018, valve still went for 1440p with lcd in 2019 lauch
@@ji3200 You have a Crystal ball?
@@dtz1000 Deckard probably going for 2160p if you are lucky. Look at Steam Deck handheld with 720p.
@@ji3200its gonna be 4k per eye i think, the index was originally a much more advanced headset but had to be cut down heavily by the cost
@@user-tg6vk9uy3b yeah i agree. If they go below 2160p then valve is not a smart company like HTC
It’s always great to see your friendly face Matt. I like all the styles of video you do.
I really like this facecam commentary type videos, feels more personal
Meta is actually killing VR Games... at least from the development standpoint.
bu hbu hbu hhubu it was going to bring us all the AAAs brah , where is Anthony to rub mud in his face when you need it.
Facebook didn't buy Oculus to make a games headset.
If you ever believed otherwise you have deluded yourself.
They are a social media company that sells ads through that portal.
VR is just the next big way to do social networking for them.
@@mnomadvfx You dont get my point here, Games are created for oculus and its bad in comparsion to any VR Headset with a 4k Rig. So games will never push boundrys if they develop for a 200$ Shitset. :)
The reason is simple, games sell about x20 in comparsion to PCVR. So its not directly developments fault. However. I think u got my point.
@@chrow8649
"So games will never push boundrys if they develop for a 200$ Shitset"
That's what the Quest Pro is for.
The coming "Mirror Lake" design is likely to be Quest Pro 2 or 3.
Regular Quest is designed for mass market price appeal to increase the overall market of VR while steadily improving the headset.
And it's not like Quest 3 is cr&p either, it's a very decent upgrade over Quest 2, albeit less than I would have hoped for after 3 years with a more expensive price tag.
What mass market VR desperately needs is eye tracking to allow dynamic foveated rendering techniques for more efficient use of the meagre standalone headset SoC performance.
Valve 2 can simply take over the competition by applying the popcorn 🍿 trick in cinemas
(small, medium, and large).
(Quest 3, Valve 2, and Vision Pro)
Where you choose the medium sized popcorn because the price is close to small size but has much more in it whereas the over priced big size has too much that you don't eat.
vision pro is not comparable, it has a completely different application
@@chaselaro1444Yes. The vision pro is in a closed ecosystem and doesn't have controllers, which makes it practically useless for the vr content we use today.
Hoping for OLED displays
Micro-Oled…let us be specific! Lol
Thanks for this and I been thinking this kinda of stuff too! Which personally I'm looking for an Mixed reality headet to play VR games and do AR things outside which the only two headsets that do that I know off is the quest 3(If it works in daylight) and the Vsion pro(PCVR may work or not to early to tell) so if their is a deckard that is mixed reality for around $500 I'll jump on that! But it would have to be anoced this year as I'm planning on pre-ordering the quest 3 as it "works now" even if it has that gross meta flavor.
I agree with the VR Modding support needs to happen. its so difficult to install some of these mods.
Yes. I've had to jump through so many hoops to figure out and install some of the mods I have. Some are as easy as dropping a simple file into the game folder. Others not so easy lol
100 percent correct. The Valve index despite its age is still one of my best headsets. I am hoping they shake up the industry yet again. I suspect sooner rather than later.
Gabe never promised 3 games. He said they have 3 in development. Those are two wildly different statements. They promised one, and we got one.
I currently own a Quest 2 for PCVR mostly. I have a budget of about 1800$ for a new Valve headset and a budget of about 800$ for a new Meta headset. I don't have a budget for both, it's one or the other. Quite frankly, all Valve needs to do is announce it by January and give it a 1-year max release date and I'm in.
"Valve needs to be much more inValved in giving the developers the tools..." by accident probably but loved it :D
i have a quest 2 and a big fat desktop im hopeing that my next head set can have wider fov and eye tracking like on the psvr till then im more intarested in full body as a vr upgrade
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That intro is a keeper! “Get your pipe out, your IV…. 😂
Your b-roll from pre-facebook Oculus showed 6dof controllers, which it did not come with in DK1 or 2. Facebook didn't add them until the Vive wands appeared!
Oculus 1 didnt even have hand controllers - they came out later :)
Thx ,agree with you bro ;-)
1) I think the work they're doing with the steam deck will move over to the Index 2. This means we could be seeing a pretty large jump in just raw performance over any other headset because of the power of x86. Stand alone linux support being a common thing going forward as AMD is a big player in that space. Let alone - most things can still run in a Windows emulation layer that could be used across a number of applications and even other emulation support such as android.
2) They need to get away from LH tracking. While it does give the best tracking performance, it doesnt have the best tracking value or volume. Meaning you are always stuck in the room you set it up for - and can' take it with you into other rooms or places. While I know many will be sad, there are still tons of ways to make vision tracking one of the best out there going forward. Meta also demonstrated that to be a thing they should really focus on doing.
3) More modulity needs to become stander. The ability to add on that eye tracking, face tracking, wireless, and etc should be a high focus.
4) Eye tracking - personally, should become stander across future headsets. There are just too many benefits to be ignored with performance just being icing on the cake.
5) Design for comfort, size, and getting in and out of VR should also be something that is highly recommended. Going pankcake and other methods to make as small as possible - even maybe going as far - as in number 1 - not have it in the headset like others are doing - but instead have it as more of a pocket pc with the battery so no extra weight has to be head. It would also be like 3 - in that - if they come out with another steam deck - you would just upgrade the brains vs the whole headset.
6) Please still support the cable - I know not everyone is happy with it - but the cable is pretty much going to have the best of a lot of worlds still - and wireless should be additional - this way if you still want the wireless you can get it - but it wont block others from getting more out of the hardware they have.
"This means we could be seeing a pretty large jump in just raw performance over any other headset because of the power of x86"
More likely it will retain an ARM SoC for standalone mode and they will make tethering to Steam Deck 2 and similar handhelds as easy as possible.
"Eye tracking - personally, should become stander across future headsets. There are just too many benefits to be ignored with performance just being icing on the cake"
Performance is by far the #1 reason for eye tracking.
Social interaction or control schemes offer interesting possibilities, but the best reason to spend extra for that hardware is the perf benefits, especially in standalone mode.
"there are still tons of ways to make vision tracking one of the best out there going forward"
Just... no... this tech is flawed from the ground up, it's like Tesla only using cameras on their cars instead of multiple sensors... a big backstep.
That's what I am saying. I think it would be best for Vr right now to not have exclusives . I am not saying forever but because we are still small I think it would help.
Since the Quest3 will bring little extra to the game i'm waiting for the Deckard! The Index stood(and still stands) out because of the 120/144Hz and 120 FOV! So yeah I expect them to have those as a minimum spec now, i'm personally hoping that they go the same way as with the Index a new tech product for maybe a higher price instead of losing battle with Meta Pico and probably HTC and Google/Samsung in the future. Or maybe 2 version or like you said make it modulair. But that would mean more devices and production would be more expensive. Game wise i totally agree that Sony as well as others should not battle with games like "console wars" but just port them wherever they can. Also ANY game developer should at the very least have VR support these days imo, not motion controls perse but display wise definitely! (any sim game that comes out without it, you just can't take serious anymore!)
I want the deckard to happen, but I'm skeptical it will. I'm guessing it'll get scrapped. I'm hoping I'm wrong.
They are still constantly working on the software for the deckard so it's definitely not dead. They might just have finished all of the hardware or are waiting for some company to produce components.
i hope the deckard has eye tracking, it'd be awesome to be able to play social vr games and actually have the avatars eyes move where my eyes are
my 3 oldest have the index, they all started with the Rift. As they upgraded, I got the "left over" Rift and have a Quest 1. they all want the new index if it ever comes out. I want the Quest 3, and MAYBE the Apple.
Good video Matteo! I agree 100% with your take on PC crossplayVR games. I think it’s a huge benefit to PCVR that needs further exploration. The two games that really made me realize that are Phasmophobia and Devour! Both are niche horror multiplayer games with thriving communities that have VR support. Without that PC cross play, there is a good chance those games are dead in VR or just stuck in early access and not profitable if they were strictly VR games.
Little tidbit of self promotion here I just did a video on Devour explaining the game and had a sentence or two on this.(just about verbatim what I said above) If you haven’t played Devour, the game is awesome, I know horror isn’t really your thing, but the game is a blast with friends.
whatever comes out im glad my 4080 will be able to dish out the index 2 to it's full potential.
This is the one pc headset I'm looking forward to. Still looking for my first pc headset, after jumping oni VR with PSVR2
I think the steam deck is legit the vr headset in handheld form, if you look at alot of the updates they added which is for vr it’s safe to say we are getting very close to a masterpiece
seems like it'd be a crowded time to announce a headset now. Q3, Apple Vision Pro, and whatever Samsung google QUALCOMM announcement will be. Each of those headsets are probably different markets but it still seems like it will divide the small pool of interest pretty thin.
I hope this is more sturdy than the index or litterally any other valve hardware
Question : if I was thinking of getting a valve, should I wait for the new or get what they have now? Or don't bother? Thanks😮
More hopium!
MOOOAR!
Jokes aside, imo valve has to at least release some info about Deckard before MQ3 is in shops.
honestly, as an avid PCVR user, I don't want standalone and I don't want wireless, and I most certainly don't want inside out tracking, so I'm hoping if they DO release their new headset it isn't any of that, or at the least, they release 3 versions, standalone, inside out tracked, then PCVR inside out tracked, and PCVR base station tracked with all the bells and whistles but I don't know if they could feasibly do that, even if it is easily possible from what has been seen from other headsets on the market (cosmos vs cosmos elite, same headset, ones inside out, ones base station tracked)
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Bigscreen Beyond looks like an obvious upgrade from an Index, especially if you've had one since launch and it might be starting to fall apart like mine is.
I need HELP my PSVR2 which I preorder and have had and used for months no issues until major issue today, before work this morning I got Skater VR and tried for like 15 minutes I really liked it and was excited come home and play but got home to power on headset which red light is on and NOTHING! The red light stays on always so not connective issue which also made sure of it and I'm at a loss right now can't figure out the issue, did submit ticket on PlayStation site but who knows how long that will take. Anyone have any suggestions because I'm really frustrated..
My hope would be to see something from Valve like this by 2024 Holiday - 2025 Spring (headsets are subsidized) :
Tier 1 - $500:
- Dual LCD panels at 2,500 x 2,500
- Standalone with wireless Wifi 7 (future proofing)
- Pancake Lenses
- Color Passthrough - AR Capacities - 6MP Per Eye
- 130 FOV
- 256gb
- 12gb RAM
- 5000mah pocket battery
- Weight: 450gms <
Tier 2 - $750 (Same formfactor):
- Dual OLED panels at 2,500 x 2,500
- Standalone with wireless Wifi 7 (future proofing)
- Pancake Lenses
- Eye-Tracking - Foveated Rendering for Increased standalone performance
- Color Passthrough - AR Capacities - 8MP Per Eye
- 130 FOV
- 256gb
- 16gb RAM
- 6000mah pocket battery
- Weight: 450gms <
Tier 3 - $1000 (modified materials same formfactor):
- Dual OLED panels at 2,880 x 2,880
- Standalone with wireless Wifi 7 (future proofing)
- Pancake Lenses
- Eye-Tracking - Foveated Rendering for Increased standalone performance
- Color Passthrough - AR Capacities - 12MP Per Eye
- Head Haptics
- 130 FOV
- 512gb
- 24gb RAM
- 8000mah pocket battery
- Weight: 300gms <
Am I too optimistic (in terms of specs vs price tier)?
High fov, Manual IPD, Pancake Lenses, High Resolution, Eye Tracking, Good Audio, Top Teir Tracking, Comfort, Decent Price. Please make it happen Valve!
For me what I would want from an Index 2 is:
Eye tracking
Foveated Rendering
Knuckle Controllers 2.0
Higher refresh rate (165hz or more)/ resolution (don't need the highest resolution but better screen)
Equally good audio and microphone to Index (they should sell the headphones separately at this point as a normal gaming headset)
Durability improvements
Tracking equally as good or better than Index
QA/minor cost/comfort/material improvements
This is my exact list in that order. I am indifferent whether it has optional wireless or not (it'd be really nice). I don't care about if it has built in processing power, that would be lost on me, and a waste of the headset's budget for me, if they want to make an alternate version that does for people sure.
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I agree 1000% with all of this
Although I can’t say that I would know how good some of the stuff would be if it’s equally as good bc I’m broke as hell and don’t even have a pc let alone an index
I still agree (Especially with the like price lowering bc might just save for a pc and then get the new one if it ain’t too much)
Im not buying anything until i see what the Deckard has to offer.
Valve is absolutely leaning into VR modding. Pretty sure that the HL2 VR mod is considered official on steam and it's a banger.
Either valve has a concrete vision of what they want their headset to be and are waiting on the tech to catch up in a way that they can make it somewhat affordable, or they are stuck like Nintendo with F-Zero and are having trouble settling on what they can do to truly push the industry forward. Either way whatever they release will be good, even if flawed, or having some kinks to iron out initially.
My personal wish would be a headset with inside out tracking, coming with upgraded knuckles with constellations...OR a quest 3 like tracking system, but otherwise the knuckles are compatible with existing lighthouses so you can upgrade for superior tracking later on.
Couple that with wireless connection, with the option of cable, and a GOOD battery. 30,000 mAh minimum and at the back as a counterweight. They could go bone standard with displays, 2160 square per eye looks good...period, though better displays will likely be affordable 20 years from now when they finally announce the thing.
Being able to run the majority of steam vr games natively even with reduced visuals, would be huge, and maybe subsidizing the optimization of said games so devs who are already having trouble making a profit from such a small pie aren't out of pocket would help a lot of underappreciated gems find a new life, a lot like WiiU games ported to the Switch.
i really hope they introduce the same controllers as the valve index
Good job btw lol 😎
I've seen a ton of conjecture about moving off the HTC Lighthouse base stations. Personally that would be a massive mis-step IMO since that tracking system has much better resolution (precision) and update framerate. Additionally, it doesn't require ANY computational power for tracking within the headset (more chips in the headset means more power drain and more heat, not to mention weight), and much less burden on your PC CPU to boot. It also renders completely useless the full-body tracking and tracking peripherals many of us on the HTC Lighthouse ecosystems have invested in.
Back in 2017 I had a choice, Valve or Oculus. I chose Oculus for a few reasons.
They had the best games...at that time
Oculus was less expensive, a stated goal of Oculus was to keep it affordable.
Oculus could play games on Steam but not vice versa... again at that time.
And I simply liked the controllers better.
What you have proposed here is intriguing, would Valve really put out multiple tiers of HMDs?
My VR PC is now over five years old and I am at a crossroads, another choice.
Do I replace my PC? PCVR2 has now become an entity in the market but hasn't blown my hair back... yet. I'm hoping to see some things around holiday. If so I might go that direction.
I hadn't really thought about Valve until just now watching your video. Another direction I would consider IF they show some commitment to keeping it going.
My thoughts: I will follow the games. I am in VR to play games. I barely use Facebook and honestly, when I do, it is only to promote my shows. I am not interested in social VR. Maybe there is a huge market for it, but I am not a customer in that market.
My hopes for VR is playing my favorite games in VR as an option without a mod or unofficial means. I would rather play GTA 6 sitting down with a controller with an HMD, than GTA SA with hand tracking. I have at least 2000 hours in GTA Online since 2020 when I started playing it on PC. There is no way I would spend that much time standing and moving around. I couldn't do a Skyrim or Fallout walking every step on a treadmill, or even just standing. You look like you're in pretty good shape Matteo, but I'm old and pudgy, I can't be doin' all that.
Don't get me wrong, there is a certain satisfaction in Swordsman when you swing that sword, or Alyx when you free aim. I'd love to see more games with hand reaching and more depth. We need some sit-down-and-chill games that are fun to play in VR too. I'd be all in on whoever looks loke they might produce that.
For me to go to Valve they would have to show some commitment. For me to go PSVR2 they would have to simply make it attractive for AAA games to offer a VR option the way Squadrons does.
If Sony advertised that I could play CP2077 in VR without hand tracking just with a controller on PSVR2 next week, I would own a PS5 and PSVR by next week.
Another great vid bro. Food for thought, great ideas, let's see how it pans out...
Yes VR is in a weird state now, compared to when it came out. I went for oculus rift for the same reasons as you. Then a Rift S then Quest 2. I have a RTX 2080s and personally I find it struggles on certain games using Quest 2, especially driving sims. I got PSVR2 last month as I am reluctant to upgrade my GPU, the price of PSVR2 was half the price of a GTX 4080 (I already own a ps5). I really think Sony will get some AAA titles out there, i'm looking forward to RE4 in VR.
Im actually quite blown away by PSVR2, it's PCVR quality without the faff, but I did end up buying some games I already own on PCVR. The library is small, but what is there is great quality. GT7, Resident Evil Village, Synapse. But im still waiting for some upgrade on PCVR as I have such a large game library in steam. I really hope valve make a stand alone HMD that is cable of playing steam games, and can connect to PC as well. and not have all the artefacts of Quest 2.
Will valve ever make a standalone headset to compete with the quest series?
that supposedly what the deckard is
I don't see a valve deckard launching any earlier than late 2024, probably 2025 (if one was on the way this year, we probably would have heard something by now).
I don't think you're wrong with the expected dates, but I wouldn't count on Valve generating a hype cycle. The Index was all rumours and hearsay (just like the Deckard is now) until they announced it as basically right around the corner. I expect it will be weeks at most, rather than months, between confirmation and release.
Yes, probably right. It will likely be released when the Quest 3 is starting to look a bit old, so maybe in a year from now.
I'm no so sure about that, wasn't the index announced like 2 months before it was officially released?
@@rikiba851 The situation is different this time. right now many people will be looking to buy a quest 3 if valve doesn't announce something before the launch of quest 3.
valve would be loosing potential sales, if valve had something planned, it would not make business sense to withhold information.
Lastly, Not a single leak has suggested valve are anywhere near completion of a headset. even the steam deck had rumors several months before launch.
I would love to be proven wrong though. as a valve deckard sounds cool
Do you think it will releade next year ?
maybe
Very good point about HLA to be available on PSVR2 and some other cool stop being exclusives for Sony. That will definitely bring new players. Just Imagine playing Alyx on Quest 3 and PSVR2, it will be fruitful for the industry itself!
If the Deckard actually happens, and I really really hope it does, I will be on it like a puma. 😅 Sure, I will buy a Quest 3, and I will keep playing PCVR on it wirelessly. But give me a beefier Steam Deck on the back and an Index in the front with all my Steam library, I would pay quadruple digits on that.
Which, sadly, I think we will have to. The Steam Deck integrated GPU cannot push the 4K+ pixels at 90 Hz we need for decent VR, and it is already subsidized. So a beefier PC, probably a larger battery, and then the HMD itself, I don't think Valve can do that sub 1k$. Just remember, you get much more for this than the Index, which still needed a really expensive gaming PC to do anything.
I had a dream. Before the end of the year we'll see Half Life 3 and Portal 3 released on the Valve Index 2 😁
But it was only a dream, so I might get the Quest 3 instead lol
I just want valve to release a new PCVR headset with inside out tracking!
And give up full body tracking? lol u crazy
More vr = better.
I am waiting for this headset specifically to get into pcvr.
I know this video is old but now the quest3 and psvr 2 has been released and offers all these features you mentioned in the video anyways,, valve will need to supersede these features or at least combine these if they want to charge close to the 1500 that’s predicted the headset will cost . I’d personally like to see a wider fov like the pimax is offering as well as having the features of the quest3 such as wireless and augmented reality experiences and psvr 2 foveated rendering - they will need to pull something big out of the bag above and beyond the current headsets if they are going to charge this much - maybe more games on the level of half life akyx or even better and maybe mobile gaming in the headset which is on a higher graphical fidelity that what the quest can currently offer - if they could do all that then they will be onto a winner .
Not all but many of the features
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 why not all ?
Anyways , it’s academic , as I dont think there will be a deckard - that was all just rumours and speculation and there was no credible source to suggest otherwise and valve has just now produced a wireless adaptor for the original index so am guessing that that’s what they’ve decided instead of coming out with a new headset - to produce a wireless version of the old so it keep it alive and make money that way . Only thing is though it’s gonna cost around 400 and it’s not working properly at the moment and if people can buy a quest for around that price then what’s the point ? Of course I could be wrong though but only time will tell
valve is definitely still working with VR, give it time@@paulnicolas172
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 sure but a few think they’ve given up on it and just concentrating more on other things ?
I think VR needs more content...meaning more games across the board. Make them all cross play capable so the community will stay strong. PCVR has slowed IMO, but more games are going out to quest/PSVR since the audience is most likely there due to value/cost. I would like VR to grow so much more but I hope more games will be available across the board for every system and cross play capable.
if a index 2 means more pcvr games , then please let it be real ! but I will say ,I'm not willing to buy a headset that needs light house tracking ..
I think that would be something that this market really needs, because right now in regards of VR Meta is leading the consumer friendly VR market. Mainly thanks to it's pricetag which is still lower than ALL of the other brands and the only real competitor in this space would be HTC, if their more consumer friendly headsets that they released lately were not so ... well ... underwelming would be the right word? Because for the price tag 600-ish €/$ you are getting sub-par Vive Flow whic hhas a looooot of problems and other option it's either the Classic Vive with Base Stations OR XR elite which both are aobe 1 000 €/$ price tag of which only which can justify it is Vive, XR elite (at least according to many reviews) does not hold to to the quality of the cheaper Quest Pro
Valve index best headset iv had yet. The controllers still work after 1000 hours unlike the vive and rift s i had
And the image quality is 2 times as good as the rift s
I'd like to see Valve compete more with Apple than Meta. Especially in terms of the Vision Pro's compute power, pass through and display technology, but ditch the glass and aluminium, ditch the front facing display and switch to similar inside out tracking to bring costs down. Then have both the compute and battery performance as external, cabled and modular (where the price point differences and upgradeability would come into play), aiming to improve the ergonomics of VR with smaller, lighter headsets and a "Walkman" or "Ipod" equivalent format with the compute/power unit (of various spec levels) and the glasses. Edit: It also still needs controllers for gaming, even if they are also part of the modularity.
alls i can say is I hope it happens soon. I also hope for a World of Warcraft-like MMO/ARPG that is must play while I can still walk and talk (i.e. I'm 40, not getting any younger! make it happen VR Devs)
I personally have bought the Index about a year back, with no previous VR experience and no real idea what i would do with it.
Now i have a bunch of VR games and sink hours every week into them.
Best 1200 bucks ever spend
Valve needs to focus on developing a VR port kit to convert 2D AAA games to VR. They've got the catalogue, they need to utilize it.
hope and belief are powerful opiates
And consummate liars.....
Valve is already the leader in the pcvr space though if they really want to overtake meta whole sale they need to throw their hat in the ring of mobile vr if valve can bring the pcvr experience or at least something close to it to the mobile vr space they'll absolutely have their leg up on meta/oculus
For me to buy a Deckard, it only needs 2 things (the rest I assume will probably be good, but these are absolute musts for me): It has to comfortable for hours on end (I'm sick and @#$% tired of buying accessories just be able wear an already luxury product for more than an hour), and it has to have eye-tracking. If it has those 2 things and is $1000 or less for the complete package, it's hard to imagine that I won't buy it.
I want OLED, High Refresh Rate, High FOV, PC Connectivity!!! Is that too much to ask for?
Solid take. Copium has been inhaled. Thank you.
Horizon Call of the Mountain isn't really a game in my mind - a lot of people call it a climbing simulator. It doesn't strike me as something I'd play more than once.
If I don't think I'll replay a game, it isn't something I want.
I replayed RE7 a few times in VR. I didn't care for RE8.
Can you review Offroad game ☺️
Never heard of it
@matteo311, Have you been talking to Brad?
Why do you ask
There can't be a low end variant. The Index is a standard. Anything that comes next has to be at least a wireless, lighter, higher res Index with the same amazing audio. Preferably for sub-$600.
Low end as in steamdeck tier1 vs tier 3. Nothing is worse, only better
I do not think that pc vr needs a nother high end and high priced headset, valve is in the game from start as far as VR history goes I would love to see that thay came out with a lower priced something this time and does not eat so many resources🍻
They just need to announce SOMETHING!
I agree with a lot of what you said, but not about the flat and VR version game. If it's flat, that will sell more copies. If it's VR only, it will force interested gamers to play it on VR hardware. However, I think it should be PC/Standalone compatible.
there is minimal money in PCVR so we need to find new ways to interest these players
We need better controller mediums more than we need higher visual fidelity. I want to pick up an item or touch a wall and feel them with my hand. Current VR worlds feel flimsy and paper thin.
FOV is everything as far as I'm concerned.
Hopefully if the Deck happens, they have increased FOV.
After using a bunch of pimax headsets i no longer think fov is everything
I don't have enough money for all the cool stuff 😅
If valve doesnt say anything about their new vr im just goong to buy a quest 3 tbh
Okay so no one will see this but the perfect vr headset is
Weight and size of the Bigscreen beyond with oleds
Index controllers
Pimax fov
Using base stations coz I HATE losing tracking behind my head etc
For wireless basically the same but with pass through and probably a bit heavier of course
I saw this
Please give us Index like hmd that cost around $500! Not everyone like to pay $1k plus for a device that run on a pc ya know
valve is leaked to be showing a new half life game at this years gamescom. and seeing how the last half life game is a vr exclusive, used to entice fans of the series to buy the original index, I'm kinda hoping that at this years gamescom valve is announcing a new half life game to accompany the index 2. I wanna be optimistic but I also know that valve does shit on their own pace.
Sup homie lol
Do what you want with your new headset, Valve, but please let it have the display port for PC connection. The difference in video quality compared to streaming via usb is stil -day and night-. As of today, and in my opinion (which by the way is based in a loto of experience and testing), there's no match at all between the Reverb G2 video quality and, to say one, that of a Pico 4 usb thehered to a PC, even using a rtx 4090, and even if Pico 4 has pancake lenses. So either that, or I'll go full Pimax, should my beloved G2 won't work anymore.
I would LOVE if Valve and Sony adopted the comfort rating Oculus game store has, that and more free demos. VR being something that can affect people in drastically different ways. And agree the future of VR is common usability of hardware across platforms, this walled garden BS for hardware hurts the industry more than it will help long term.
when we do get Index 2, enjoy your last headset, Valve doesn't do 3's...
valve should start thinking making affordable versions that nobody gonna buy something is over $1k devices ....should be $300 bucks for entire vr kit ...including full body motion by cheap trackers to get full VR experience
No. None of this stuff is cheap enough to be 300$. Not even the steam deck by itself is that cheap.
If valve just tok the vive focus 3 from HTC and made it better.
2d and vr, together. like the forest did?
How are you so talented yet have very limited music selection
Lol every time I change the music someone complains, I can't win
Instead of bashing Meta for its bet on VR and buying Occulus, its maybe better to applaud them, bringing it into the mass market, so that premium VR systems like Valve's Index can profit from a growing market.
Who is bashing them?
This is what Valve needs to do: the opposite of what they have done for the last 3 years. 😉
I'm still hoping for a Quest like device with real PCVR graphics... That would be soooooo great... No even the Quest Pro is close to my HP headset and the graphics my pc can produce. So that would be fantastic to have on the go... I mean, the Steam Deck is a powerhouse and the tech is, by tech standards, already outdated and still it performs like a dream... so improve, combine and watch me play this thing until smoke will come out of my ears 🙂
SteamOS on a standalone valve index 2
Brain computer interface, finding new ways to make gaming more compatible for people with disabilities. VR as a stance can make loss more profits making it more friendly for those with disabilities. Just my two cents
ok fine
There hasn't been a single VR game worth playing. We're still 10-20 years away from VR even being a point of discussion.
I can't agree at all