Pros and Cons of Wireless? Long-Term SRAM AXS Review

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  • čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
  • ​‪@SRAM‬'s electronic Eagle AXS derailleur and RockShox Reverb AXS dropper post are as fancy as can be. Do they work better though? What's rad and what could be improved? Join Vital MTB Product Editor, Brandon Turman, for a deep dive into the world of wireless shifting, dropper posts, and his long-term impressions.
    Eagle AXS Highlights
    - Wireless electronic shifter and derailleur
    - XX1 and X01 versions
    - Removable battery weighs 25g and is hot-swappable from derailleur to Reverb AXS
    - Overload Clutch
    - Trimmed and adjusted electronically
    - “Secret Sprint” paddle for quick shifts
    - Water and dustproof to IP69K international standard (withstands pressure washing & immersion)
    - Weighs 5 to 15g less than mechanical Eagle
    - MSRP: $700 USD derailleur, $200 controller
    Reverb AXS Highlights
    - Wireless electronic dropper post and controller
    - Post stays activated/open while holding the controller paddle
    - System goes to power save mode when the bike is stationary
    - Check battery life by pressing AXS button
    - Single rail-retention bolt for quick saddle install and quick tilt adjust
    - Updated internals for faster (non-adjustable) return speed
    - Vent Valve Technology to reset post
    - Waterproof to the IPX7 international standard (systems that require regular pressurized cleaning)
    - Diameters: 30.9mm, 31.6mm, 34.9mm
    - Travel: 100mm, 125mm, 150mm, 170mm
    - Length: 340mm, 390mm, 440mm, 480mm (same as regular Reverb)
    - Weighs within a few grams of traditional Reverb
    - MSRP: $800 USD, includes controller
    There is no denying that these are luxury components and completely unnecessary to have fun on your bike, but man are they cool.
    Overall, SRAM AXS works well as a system, combining wireless technology that is both reliable and nearly instantaneous to make things easier, faster, and a more natural extension of your body in many ways. You barely tap the controllers and the result is a more accurate shift or dropper adjustment. There are also fewer cables, which is sweet, and the potential for trickle-down is exciting.
    For those who love data and devices, AXS is a dream thanks to AXS Web and various integration abilities. For those who don't, it's possible to use the system without thinking twice about it. While there are many conveniences when it comes to AXS, there are tradeoffs when it comes to dealing with batteries and apps.
    After this test, the full AXS setup is going onto a new trail bike. I find that rides on the Transition Patrol are most often straight up, straight down, and after a year of riding it, I think the precision the AXS system offers - whether it's shifting under load or finding that perfect seat height - is much more fitting for a trail or cross-country bike where you see a lot of rolling terrain.
    As for the Reverb AXS, is this the dropper perfected? It definitely seems like it.
    Be sure to head over to www.sram.com for more details.
    Video by Brandon Turman and John Reynolds
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Komentáře • 810

  • @vitalmtb
    @vitalmtb  Před 4 lety +36

    Did you see our $2,000 MTB Shootout? czcams.com/video/DSYwTlth1oc/video.html
    😂😂 We install SRAM AXS BLINDFOLDED 😂😂 czcams.com/video/zVFHE1u96zM/video.html

    • @danytheunicorn95
      @danytheunicorn95 Před 4 lety +2

      pretty cool!

    • @headoverbars8750
      @headoverbars8750 Před 4 lety +7

      As a software engineer Im stoked big time.
      Live suspension,
      AXS wireless,
      Shits the future and while it is pricey now that will change.
      Great trend, my frame was less but I would absolutely buy it once it comes down even to the 1.5k range but I hope l this tech will settle at just above the 1k price point in a couple of years.

    • @ryanhines6194
      @ryanhines6194 Před 4 lety +1

      I've had bad luck with sram derailleurs snapping when I'm riding on my driveway. So I'm not dropping 2k on it

    • @maxMax-ns9pg
      @maxMax-ns9pg Před 4 lety

      @Vital MTB Concerning the clutch on the derailleur....do you think it’ll ever give way, or is it just worn in? I’m worried as I just ordered an upgrade kit and I’m worried that it will drop in clutch quality

    • @bicyclingbum1551
      @bicyclingbum1551 Před 4 lety +2

      Would be cool to see a wireless drive train system that recognises the torque or pressure your putting at the pedals then to convert that to a motor on the back wheel, effectively getting rid of the chain , cassette and derailuer or someshit idunno.

  • @diegoarranz2518
    @diegoarranz2518 Před 4 lety +955

    What if someone uses a signal jammer in an enduro race 😂

    • @natcrawford5101
      @natcrawford5101 Před 4 lety +175

      Or better yet, connect another shifter to someone's drivetrain when nobody's looking.

    • @faruqhossain5314
      @faruqhossain5314 Před 4 lety +15

      it really doesn't matter because you can go without a dropper post. and second enduro race teams are very careful with there race bikes

    • @TAZMON20
      @TAZMON20 Před 4 lety +17

      Try hacking someone's phone, it's as difficult to hack someone's AXS system.

    • @dasgoofinhiemer5039
      @dasgoofinhiemer5039 Před 4 lety +82

      @@TAZMON20 signal jammer, not hacking.

    • @TAZMON20
      @TAZMON20 Před 4 lety +22

      @@dasgoofinhiemer5039 The SRAM communication protocol, called Aeria, uses powerful spread spectrum radios to eliminate this possibility of trail side jamming / hacking, the system was given over to cryptographers and hackers and to date the system has never been compromised.

  • @oanatudor1339
    @oanatudor1339 Před 3 lety +147

    Wireless brakes.
    Its all fun and games till the battery runs out on a downhill track

    • @yosyp5905
      @yosyp5905 Před 3 lety +4

      it's all fun and games untill you have a leak or your cable snaps

    • @Blackevilmisanthrope
      @Blackevilmisanthrope Před 3 lety +1

      If one goes out use the other.

    • @nighthawk0077
      @nighthawk0077 Před 3 lety

      Don't exist

    • @datdudeinred
      @datdudeinred Před 3 lety +4

      That's why they didn't develop them. Do you really think they are unable to make brakes wireless too?? 😂 Ofc they must have designed it but waiting for graphene batteries... But then again there should be a failsafe if battery runs out

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 Před 3 lety +1

      @@yosyp5905 Get a fixed gear or just don't bother riding. Then you won't need either, but you'd better install that chain correctly!
      Do you have any idea how strong a steel cable is, or how reliable hydraulic systems are? Motor vehicles used both..... for brakes, for decades.
      But I don't always trust 'everything' made in Asia!!

  • @fradd4045
    @fradd4045 Před 4 lety +435

    "you can shift whenever because its electronically controlled" ive been shifting whenever on all my bike since before sram was even a company

    • @esvegateban
      @esvegateban Před 4 lety +41

      I had to ride my bike to check if I still could shift whenever using cables.

    • @sasquatchhq5757
      @sasquatchhq5757 Před 4 lety +41

      fradd I believe by that he meant under torque when going uphill, but you do you.

    • @esvegateban
      @esvegateban Před 4 lety +7

      @@sasquatchhq5757 your beliefs have little relevance against what he actually said. You'll do you, of course, and keep believing what you want.

    • @blackblaze1996
      @blackblaze1996 Před 4 lety +25

      @@esvegateban Im pretty damn sure thats what he meant since it looks like thats what he did. Not to mention it wouldnt make sense to say otherwise.

    • @fradd4045
      @fradd4045 Před 4 lety +20

      @@sasquatchhq5757 even if he did shimano (cable)groupsets have been capable of that for more than 20+ years. electronics has nothing to do with the interface of chain and cassette

  • @vandelkyra
    @vandelkyra Před 4 lety +184

    pro: wireless
    con: battery

    • @lukefarrell117
      @lukefarrell117 Před 4 lety +24

      james cuvier con: price

    • @zfine1450
      @zfine1450 Před 4 lety +7

      I agree. Something about a bicycle that REQUIRES a battery to ride turns me off. (ok for those of us who can afford multiple bikes, but not for your only bike).

    • @brakesforsnakes757
      @brakesforsnakes757 Před 4 lety +2

      I've been using & loving Eagle AXS for just over a year and I keep a backup battery in my pack that I've never had to use on the trail. It's a dream to use and worth every penny.

    • @zfine1450
      @zfine1450 Před 4 lety +1

      @@brakesforsnakes757 , never had the pleasure but am told that you'll never go back to cables. I certainly have no issues with modern battery powered devices. Was considering an "apocalyptic" scenario where batteries could not be charged.

    • @stanislavkindiakov6334
      @stanislavkindiakov6334 Před 4 lety +1

      Business for a million! Wireless breaks!!

  • @baddriversofcolga
    @baddriversofcolga Před 4 lety +56

    It's certainly interesting and all, but one of the nice things about most bikes is that they don't rely on electronics or batteries to work.

    • @kerbodynamicx472
      @kerbodynamicx472 Před rokem +2

      What if those electric group sets have a little generator on one of the idlers? It probably only takes a fraction of a watt to run them.

    • @leestephenson7042
      @leestephenson7042 Před rokem +3

      Agree, there’s enough gadgets and gizmos to charge as it is, it’s just that extra hassle of finding where you left the cable so you can hook it up, and then finding somewhere vacant to charge it. One of the easiest things about riding a bike is changing the gears as it is, it’s a spot on system that perfectly matches the mechanical, simplicity and cleanliness of getting around totally under your own steam.

  • @roblalinde2459
    @roblalinde2459 Před 3 lety +18

    Watching your video pushed me to drop the hammer on the purchase. I've been toying with the idea of AXS and I am most definitely a tech geek, but the price is what held me back. Initially it was because when this stuff first came out, you had to buy the full Groupo but now with the fact that you can buy just the derailleur kit, I was able to pull that trigger and get the AXS dropper as well. Cant wait to get them here in the next couple days. Yes, it's a ridiculous amount of money. But when we already spend thousands to ride a bike, what's another 1600 or so to add something this innovative and cool to a dream bike build? I'm not getting any younger and at 48, I'm having the best time of my life on my bike.
    This is definitely not a necessity, and those who mock it are either jealous or the type to always complain about something. Take my friend Joseph for instance. He rides and has a really decent bike, but they guy laughed at me and told me I'm "wasting my money on stupid, unnecessary upgrades designed to steal your money". Although yes anything like this is stupid money spending. That's my prerogative and its not like I'm mortgaging my house or getting myself into a pit of debt. So yes my friend blasted me for buying in, like a lot of others will. But, This is coming from a guy who has spent over 75K on his home theater/audio equipment. It is all relative.
    I say, if you like it, and want it, and have the means, why not? Life is too short to wonder instead of living it.

    • @lloydlostvegas8785
      @lloydlostvegas8785 Před 4 měsíci

      Very well said it’s mostly confirmation bias on people knocking it and certainly enjoy what you like ! Whether mech or electronic

  • @robeichinger7240
    @robeichinger7240 Před 4 lety +4

    Been riding AXS for 2 months and completely agree with everything in this video. Shifting performance is there, but it isn't as intuitive as one would think regardless of button mapping. I still mis shift on occasion. The seatpost on the other hand is absolutely stellar! Took no time to learn how to get that seat in the exact position. Battery performance for me has been awesome. So far I have around 30 hours ride time on the system. The Reverb battery just dropped to 50% and the AXS battery is still showing over 75%.

  • @sml2238
    @sml2238 Před 3 lety +5

    this review is pretty spot on. i've had the AXS system for a few months and it's been without issue. The initial setup is a little wonky just the way the app works/connects to devices but it never caused me any issues it was just a bit of weird behavior. Also the battery life for me has been great and I carry 2 spare batteries in my pack and a charger as well as the shifter coin batteries. Once you get the AXS setup it's pretty much set and forget. Also for me I am partially paralyzed in my right thumb so traditional shifters have always been tough for me, with the AXS system I actually use my inex finger to upshift and my gimp thumb to downshift. This allows me to never miss shift and one of the main reasons i bought the system. I wish they would make a left hand shifter so I could swap the shifting to my left hand and dropper to my right but maybe one day.
    Also I went with the X01 derailleur instead of the XX1 I figured the aluminum might holdup a bit better. But I did go for the XX1 cassette and chain which have been holding up really well, especially if you clean and lube your chain after each ride.

  • @candidcapture
    @candidcapture Před 4 lety +3

    Thanks for putting this video up.

  • @paddlehard5722
    @paddlehard5722 Před 4 lety +89

    “In the EMP war, we won’t be able to ride our cars packed with electronics. We’ll all wind up on the bicycles”
    SRAM: “Well....”

    • @andy-the-gardener
      @andy-the-gardener Před 4 lety

      so your saying the cfm's won't be able to drive cars or fly about the planet on a wim. bring on the emp's

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 Před 3 lety +1

      Maybe you should PEDAL HARDER! Haha! You ONLY 'need' one gear to make the bike go.
      What a concept, PEDAL HARDER, you go faster! Such 'cyclists' probably couldn't ride without cell phones or Strava too. Cry me a River. Haha. My singlespeeds are my apocalypse bikes! They never break! I'm not knocking on wood neither.

    • @raheemgahelable
      @raheemgahelable Před 3 lety +1

      Non of that gonna happen

    • @mrbrochacho2494
      @mrbrochacho2494 Před 2 lety +1

      I wouldn't make my carbon full sus my apocalypse bike. I'd be going for a single speed or something. Something that is absolutely barebones

    • @ray4493
      @ray4493 Před 2 lety +1

      @@rollinrat4850 and die of heart attack on the uphill cause you peddled too "hard" with the last sentence coming out of you would be "ahh so that's why single speed is lame"

  • @matthewstyer5587
    @matthewstyer5587 Před 4 lety +3

    What a fantastic review
    Thanks

  • @Big2Planker
    @Big2Planker Před 4 lety +11

    Have Di2 on road bike and AXS on 2020 YT Jeffsy. Both are awesome and worth every penny. They never miss a shift and I’m never going back to cables. Worth every penny, IMO.

    • @itdjordje
      @itdjordje Před 3 lety +4

      My cable shifters never miss a shift. So you gave your money just to get rid of the cables and look fancy. Not worth it IMO

    • @tonyb9735
      @tonyb9735 Před 2 lety

      @@itdjordje I bought a bike which has Di2 on it. IMO it is better than cable shift, but not enough to warrant laying out the extra money for it. If you have the money though, why not?

  • @derekim75
    @derekim75 Před 4 lety +3

    The best investment for my gx group set... Axs works like a charm~ 6months using, Non complains.......

  • @richardmorris8764
    @richardmorris8764 Před 3 lety

    I HAVE THIS SET ON MY 2021 JUMPSTUMPER EVO AND 2021 SB130 LUNCH RIDE AND IT ROCKS

  • @chriskoutroulis4531
    @chriskoutroulis4531 Před 4 lety +1

    Very nice review!

  • @wilboardman
    @wilboardman Před 4 lety

    Love to try them! Price during the pandemic is making it a no go.

  • @dustyburner
    @dustyburner Před 4 lety +2

    I've only been using the AXS XX1 for a couple weeks, but I really like it. It shifts great and easy to use. Only time will tell how well it holds up.

  • @motoace2007
    @motoace2007 Před 4 lety +1

    Great review!

  • @tinoschneider6350
    @tinoschneider6350 Před 4 lety +18

    I run the XX1 AXS on my XC bike and I couldn't be happier with it. If you reach a certain point of exhaustion the precision and the minimal effort to shift are becoming huge advantages. Therefore I found myself shifting way more with AXS even in extreme situations like shifting several gears under load while riding an uphill corner over roots in complete exhaustion. Just push the button with minimal effort and you will get a perfect shift every single time. Another benefit: It's not necessary to strech the thumb very far to perform shifts in eather direction. So your hand will be wrapped tightly around the bar while shifting.
    On my trail bike I will stick to the (sublime working) mechanical version. There would be too much money hanging down there for going through rough and techy sections :D .

    • @CactusJackSlade
      @CactusJackSlade Před rokem

      Agree! I use ethe thumb on back and finger on the front. Minimal movement and effort and of course the perfect shift every time!

  • @neillanders8292
    @neillanders8292 Před 4 lety +1

    Great review! Now I want one! Actually, I kinda wanted the shimano setup when jeff lenosky showed it off in one of his videos. But that dropper is really cool. THe fact that you can bleed the air out that easily means it won't be a mess after just one season of riding.

    • @brakesforsnakes757
      @brakesforsnakes757 Před 4 lety

      I had XT/XTR Di2 for a while and I can tell you that Eagle AXS absolutely kills it!

  • @beppuzzo0808
    @beppuzzo0808 Před 2 lety

    Great Review, thanks a lot Man!

  • @alpine_pro5814
    @alpine_pro5814 Před 4 lety +3

    Just installed on my SW Stumpy, just riding it around feels nice and smooth.Tomorrow is the true test. Stoked to try it out!

    • @ddialogue
      @ddialogue Před 3 lety

      It's been four months. Give us a ride report! :D

    • @alpine_pro5814
      @alpine_pro5814 Před 3 lety

      Dave Dialogue
      I have no complaints, Axis has been spectacular. Shifts smooth under load and tough as nails. Only complaint would be make sure to check battery level. I wound hesitate to buy another Axis derailleur and dropper.

  • @taylarbikes8845
    @taylarbikes8845 Před 3 lety +1

    Glad to see they have held up! I purchased the Sram XX1 AXS group for my XC race rig without ever laying hands on it.. risky but seems to be great thus far. What are your thoughts on wet/muddy weather operation?

  • @dereklchung
    @dereklchung Před 4 lety

    Great review. Thanks

  • @And-rc9yy
    @And-rc9yy Před 4 lety +6

    I will never be able to afford this equipment but wow what a great review. Most people review stuff they barely used. Rare to see such a thorough long term review.

    • @RickyG225
      @RickyG225 Před 4 lety +1

      Never say never. You may hit the jackpot one day and be surprised. Good Luck dude!

    • @And-rc9yy
      @And-rc9yy Před 4 lety

      @@RickyG225 I guess I can afford it, but I can't justify it. I've always had the opinion that if you're good enough to need the top kit then someone else should be paying for it, i.e. you ride professionally. Of course my friends would just say it's because I'm a 'tight Wodd' (my surname!)

    • @RickyG225
      @RickyG225 Před 4 lety +1

      @@And-rc9yy No prob. I say frugality is not a bad thing. Tight wodd is okay too, coming from the right group. Sure it is great if someone else pays for it, I also am not in that category of a prof-rider. I will wait to see if /when they come down in price to make it cost justified. Cheers!

  • @TPV07
    @TPV07 Před 4 lety +14

    Nice toys mate! I am most envious of your tools and I even work at a bike shop. Gonna talk to the boss to invest more money in tools I think :)

  • @fredboudreaux9663
    @fredboudreaux9663 Před 4 měsíci

    Great review

  • @saunamchan2908
    @saunamchan2908 Před 4 lety +4

    Crazy expensive now, but these new "ride-by-wire" (or "wireless" rather) systems hold a lot of promise. Clean and consistent shifts, and adjustable by smartphone makes things really easy for people. I'm still more of an analog fan though.

  • @mfa81
    @mfa81 Před 4 lety +1

    I love mine and think it's worth every penny! Not cheap but worth the price tag in my opinion! The AXS App is still pretty much a mystery to me. I've never got it to show my 10T cog being used on how many times I activated my dropper post during a ride!

  • @brettw8664
    @brettw8664 Před 4 lety +11

    Got the E-Tap on my roadie, so when I upgraded my Pivot 429 Trail, it was an absolute 'must have'. I will never go back to cable on any bike again. Especially on a MTB with the AXS dropper, you can set your saddle position to within pinpoint accuracy. Never miss a gear and just press the lever to change up or down 'all day long'. Never had an issue with my set up EVER.

    • @acruzp
      @acruzp Před 4 lety +1

      Why do you sound like a marketing team?

    • @puntoycoma47
      @puntoycoma47 Před 4 lety +1

      I've never missed gears on 1998 Shimano XT

  • @ykcinasak
    @ykcinasak Před 4 lety +45

    waterproof what a surprise :)

    • @thedoggoesskrrrt
      @thedoggoesskrrrt Před 3 lety

      I would biy if it's bad spirit proof or evil proof tho

  • @harzenduro
    @harzenduro Před 4 lety +1

    I put the AXS shifter and derailleur on my all XTR12 drivetrain. Best of both worlds. I won‘t ever go back to cable shifting.

  • @AdventuresInTheSky
    @AdventuresInTheSky Před 2 lety +1

    It’s cool, i still would love to see improvements in belt driven gear boxes to compete with derailleurs.

  • @trdartz
    @trdartz Před 3 lety +3

    I can only see this being beneficial on a road bike to optimize aero with less cables and possibly less weight due to less cabling as well .

  • @kevin6666123
    @kevin6666123 Před 4 lety +176

    Seems like an answer to a question that nobody asked.

    • @tomwalsh6774
      @tomwalsh6774 Před 4 lety +16

      The SRAM execs asked this question....
      "How can we make a shit ton more money?"

    • @topspot4834
      @topspot4834 Před 3 lety +2

      Bingo ... Cool concept, clean look but really creates a problem that shouldn't exist ... battery life. I love cool tech, and this definitely is badass, just not worth the added cost and potential complications.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 Před 3 lety +1

      @@topspot4834 Yes...... as a mechanic I see 1st hand how well most people 'take care' of their junk. Many riders can hardly be bothered to pump up their tires, check their sealant, clean and oil their chain, much less actually maintain the entire freakin' bike! They often blame it on us when the bike doesn't work!
      I usually ride singlespeeds. I own 3. One is a fixed gear cyclocross bike. Simple IS as simple does. Being a mechanic, my patience is exhausted on my customers. I'd MUCH rather ride than wrench!!
      I can't wait to come across riders with dead batteries. I have a smile and a few encouraging words. Like, bummer dude, walking sucks, just pedal harder! Ive always said you go faster simply by pushing the pedals just a little harder each and every time!
      'When' I get an e-bike it will have a solar array in a tow-along trailer!! That could work for AXS too!

    • @chameleonpogono
      @chameleonpogono Před 3 lety

      @@onemanmob6756 Exactly why I want the wireless components. I have RA and it can make it harder to shift sometimes.

    • @christopherwalsh7700
      @christopherwalsh7700 Před 3 lety +3

      @@topspot4834 ok boomer

  • @boyscout6566
    @boyscout6566 Před 3 lety

    Eagerly awaiting for the 2021 battery less version powered by the pedals.

  • @stianjarnass
    @stianjarnass Před 2 lety

    Great review👏. If you don't have to adjust gears, this is even better🤗. Also getting lower gears on a downhill bike would be a easy install👏👏👏

  • @leedorney
    @leedorney Před 4 lety

    I've got the original stuff SRAM Red on my road bike and it's just great, Ive had mine for 2yrs now and I still get a thrill out of changing gear 👌 - oh put the derailleur covers on when you're not using the bike and this elongates the battery life between charges 😉 - I'm getting a month out of charges if you're interested.. 😎

  • @justinburgan
    @justinburgan Před 4 lety +7

    This is a killer review, well done! Definitely a luxury item for a bike but hella cool nonetheless!

    • @vitalmtb
      @vitalmtb  Před 4 lety

      Thanks, Justin!

    • @jonathanoxlade4252
      @jonathanoxlade4252 Před 3 lety

      Yet bikes that costs like £12000 don't come with it I am having isues with a wired derailleur may end up getting a eletric since for my bafang I have brake sensors the gear sensor won't be needed for this system

    • @DawidDgk
      @DawidDgk Před rokem

      @@jonathanoxlade4252 crazy to think that bikes for 12k doesn't have axs..

  • @andrewrivera4029
    @andrewrivera4029 Před 4 lety +15

    I’m the opposite on the charging: the dropper is about 25 hrs ride time, the derailleur about 50 hrs before recharge but I just got the app so will be able to get a better estimate.

    • @dgw6448
      @dgw6448 Před 4 lety +1

      do you have a tesla ? two teslas ?

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 Před 3 lety +2

      Haha, Ive got a qr seat collar and a 'Hite Right'. The original dropper from the '80s. This big spring has never worn out and never needs charging!

  • @billyfaizzaly
    @billyfaizzaly Před 3 lety

    Can't wait till the dropper post could drop itself!

  • @budwende8190
    @budwende8190 Před 3 lety

    Very Nice! There did you get your handle bar grips?

  • @ravimaurya10
    @ravimaurya10 Před 4 lety +2

    ​@SRAM MTB @vital MTB Just an idea...why not have small 2 inch solar panel with some toughened glass on it be mounted on each individual part so that it trickle charges the batteries or maintain them...would be neat to see such a thing on this.

  • @neilleach5249
    @neilleach5249 Před rokem

    Well done. Thank you.

  • @NDemanuele1
    @NDemanuele1 Před 4 lety +6

    Thanks for the video! I been curious about this.
    I like the idea of wireless, but not so much the astronomical price and batteries.
    I wonder if it will be standard on bikes sometime in the future?

    • @brakesforsnakes757
      @brakesforsnakes757 Před 4 lety +1

      It's getting closer to that point, just helped my friend get a 2020 Scott Spark RC Team Issue AXS and the MSRP is $5000.00.

  • @clubdevoiture1618
    @clubdevoiture1618 Před 4 lety +5

    I had 0 interest in these products untill now ...
    Now these are a MUST !! So sick!!

  • @dadventuretv2538
    @dadventuretv2538 Před 4 lety +3

    I hate having to deal with cables that stretch and hydraulics that need to be bled. Love wireless. Def gonna do dropper, drivetrain not so sure bc I do damage my derailleur and man that would be an expensive replacement, plus dropper seems to be area of greatest bang for your buck improvement wise as I am still in search of non wireless dropper I really like. Re batter life- it is so long that I don’t have to worry about it running out during a ride, which was my main concern. I charge my phone each night and lights after each night ride, not a big deal to pop out a battery and charge it every once in while after a ride. Now just gonna wait for price to drop and maybe Fox to make a wireless Factory.

  • @martin.B777
    @martin.B777 Před 4 lety +4

    Great! Will wait until price drops substantially and wireless tech gets affordable!🚵‍♂️💪

    • @martin.B777
      @martin.B777 Před 4 lety +1

      @@IIISentorIII Takes time, but it will get cheaper.🤑

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 Před 3 lety +1

      Check out the prices on Sram's replacement parts for stuff that's a few years old. The prices aren't going down!
      A new drivetrain, cassette, chainring and chain for AXS are well over $500 and Sram never lasts long!
      "A fool is soon parted from his money"

  • @mikepfeifer1753
    @mikepfeifer1753 Před 4 lety

    So, when are you guys dropping the 2020 Sentinel review :)

  • @hugovvr
    @hugovvr Před 4 lety +117

    All that electric shifiting thing is just the shifters companies trying to keep you away from the real deal : gearboxes !

    • @karljaspers9205
      @karljaspers9205 Před 4 lety +17

      hugo vvr. nice! i’ll take it a step further WIRELESS GEARBOX 😲

    • @bananasstuff3344
      @bananasstuff3344 Před 4 lety +8

      @@karljaspers9205 that would theoretically reduce lots of issues with gearboxes like grip shifters and being unable to shift underload so I could be the future!

    • @dietznutz1
      @dietznutz1 Před 4 lety +8

      They won’t be ready for a good few years range and weight is still a problem not to mention you need a special frame to take one

    • @bananasstuff3344
      @bananasstuff3344 Před 4 lety +16

      @@dietznutz1 yes but arguably you need a special frame to mount a derailleur, its just that its an industry standard.

    • @hugovvr
      @hugovvr Před 4 lety +2

      @@bananasstuff3344 Exactly! And I'll rather buy one proper steel frame with gearboxe that are both designed to last at a decade (While an alloy frame last 5years max., if put to abuse. And a derailleur will only last a season if you ride a lot..)

  • @chrisarfath3382
    @chrisarfath3382 Před 2 lety

    Bro your bike is sick and so cool may I know which model is it

  • @benzzoy
    @benzzoy Před 4 lety

    After riding eTAP for a while, the biggest watchout (not concern) is the relatively short battery life, when compared to Shimano's Di2 and Campagnolo's EPS. Exacerbating that relatively short battery life is the need to remove the battery from the device, so as to plug it into the charger; this is not convenient like Di2 where there's a port on the bike you can plug a charging cable into (like with a smart phone). Exacerbating that inconvenience is you have at least two batteries you need to take care of, which means you need to watch the charger LEDs and switch batteries (or you spend $ on extra chargers).
    Still, wireless (aka no cable except to the brakes) is *nice*. And with AXS and a smart phone, you can kinda gauge when you need to recharge, and it's easy to carry a spare battery all the time since they're so small and light.

  • @michiganstate149
    @michiganstate149 Před 4 lety

    I debated AXS Eagle then tried Shimano 12s and decided to save my money for IMO a better drivetrain experience. In terms of the dropper, a mechanical dropper for $100 (Brand X) that you don't need to do anything besides a 5 min rebuild 2-3 times a year (every 50ish hrs) takes the cake for me. Someday when the price drops and this becomes more mainstream I'll reconsider.

  • @johnglynn7795
    @johnglynn7795 Před 3 lety

    Brandon and John, truly enjoyed your vlog with regard to "bluetooth shifting." I noticed you guys are one of the few who rides in the desert. Should I assume the video was shot in the Phoenix area? Also, I noticed your riding a Transition. Do you like it? I am in the market for an new MTB and was looking at the Ibis Ripley and the Niner Rip 9. Your thoughts on either for desert riding. Jg

    • @vitalmtb
      @vitalmtb  Před 3 lety

      hey john, we have a 29er group test w/ the ripley that was done near phoenix - czcams.com/video/dwvc53At7f0/video.html - unfortunately we don't have any time on the Rip 9 to really compare it yet.

  • @blessedantang21
    @blessedantang21 Před 4 lety +190

    I can't go to ride i need to charge my shifter😂😂😂

    • @paddlehard5722
      @paddlehard5722 Před 4 lety +24

      ICloud9 Music I can’t go to ride, I’m waiting for firmware update.

    • @saturupiah5940
      @saturupiah5940 Před 3 lety +5

      I lack the thumb strength to change gears.
      I betta get AXS!

    • @MattePaavi
      @MattePaavi Před 3 lety +1

      its a rich problem XD

    • @Blackevilmisanthrope
      @Blackevilmisanthrope Před 3 lety +1

      Actually hang out for fifteen minutes and I’ll be ready. Will charge enough for a ride in the time it takes for most people to put on their dumb neon plastic clothing.

    • @raheemgahelable
      @raheemgahelable Před 3 lety +1

      Shifter takes a non chargeable battery! 😁

  • @livefreeandshred9818
    @livefreeandshred9818 Před 4 lety

    The battery life on my m8100 is flawless

  • @scstinger5
    @scstinger5 Před 3 měsíci

    Good video! Seems like the only way forward would be a basic Internal Drivetrain for mountain biking. Everything els is just shining up old technology that was made for road bikes

  • @Primarch_Vulkan
    @Primarch_Vulkan Před 4 lety +148

    Pro - It looks tidy with less cables.
    Con - Everything else about it.

    • @Thespecialone1970
      @Thespecialone1970 Před 4 lety +19

      The Flash someone’s a little upset they can’t have axs on their bike...

    • @wasupwitdat1mofiki94
      @wasupwitdat1mofiki94 Před 4 lety +7

      @@Thespecialone1970 I'm one of the early adopters of SRAM ETap on road bikes. My rear derailleur quit shifting about one year later. Pain in the ass to warranty it. Other things I've learned from owning the group is that SRAM quality and design are no match for Shimano. It may be another option but SRAM is not one I will ever choose again.

    • @Thespecialone1970
      @Thespecialone1970 Před 4 lety +4

      @@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 Interesting, I have used both systems and currently have the XX1 AXS on my bike. I am the opposite and will never go back to Shimano. Love the wireless system. No issues after owning it for over a year. Never had to warranty a sram product, so can't comment on that aspect.

    • @Primarch_Vulkan
      @Primarch_Vulkan Před 4 lety +5

      @@Thespecialone1970 Nope, why would i want a component on my bike that costs 5x more than a standard one in such a vulnerable spot to rock strikes. I wouldn't mind the dropper tho.

    • @Thespecialone1970
      @Thespecialone1970 Před 4 lety +3

      @@Primarch_Vulkan Maybe you just need to practice becoming a better rider....1 year on this thing, and I'm yet to touch it.

  • @stevengeuns
    @stevengeuns Před 3 lety

    Best group I ever had on a Nike.

  • @anglobugayong9103
    @anglobugayong9103 Před 4 lety

    So sweet cyborg Sram❤️

  • @myideas8548
    @myideas8548 Před 2 lety

    Well done.

  • @Bayplaces
    @Bayplaces Před 4 lety

    I saw that shimano filed a patent for an upper pulley that functions like a dynamo hub.
    I wonder if the battery will ever be replaced by a mini dynamo and smaller battery.

  • @LighthawkZ65
    @LighthawkZ65 Před rokem

    I have an X01 AXS and honestly, I don't worry about the fact that is electronic. I'm not a heavy mountain rider, but I always like to have it ready to do so I always pay attention to the indicators I find no inconvenience with it.

  • @AdventuresInTheSky
    @AdventuresInTheSky Před 2 lety

    Seat tilt angle should be able to adjust electronically, and automatically based off uphill vs downhill.

  • @davidwales9657
    @davidwales9657 Před 4 lety

    Just sitting here waiting for a GX level upgrade kit. Only need the derailleur and shifter

  • @tylerbacklund9315
    @tylerbacklund9315 Před 4 lety +23

    im curious to see where the axs will be in the next 5 years

    • @snoogboonin
      @snoogboonin Před 4 lety +3

      Gearbox.

    • @paddor
      @paddor Před 4 lety

      Wait and you will.

    • @8000RPM.
      @8000RPM. Před 4 lety +1

      No question: In a landfill.

    • @tylerbacklund9315
      @tylerbacklund9315 Před 4 lety +4

      8000RPM You really think that in five years there are gonna be mtb trails in landfills?

  • @UltimateTuner10
    @UltimateTuner10 Před 3 lety

    For longer term users, have you had issues with the clutch like the review said?

  • @christopherroberts5011

    Love to see how it fairs up in the uk winter slop. Piss take really for mere mortals to ever even need this.

  • @algas15
    @algas15 Před 4 lety

    tfw someone backdoors you while you're riding your bike, what a time to be alive

  • @russellhays370
    @russellhays370 Před 4 lety

    nice video, did you mention the price? did i miss that ?

  • @leonardothillet6423
    @leonardothillet6423 Před 4 lety +9

    I tested mine yesterday, and this is something no one understands how insanely flawless it is until they tried it...It's like playing a video game...

    • @dieselgeezer18
      @dieselgeezer18 Před 2 lety

      i don't understand the attraction if it feels like a videogame. Videogames are boring compared to real life

    • @koreydeese890
      @koreydeese890 Před 2 lety

      One of the guys I ride with has the Di2 rear derailleur on his bike. Pretty cool, shifts well, but it was an eye opening experience for me or anything. Might be different on certain terrain. I tried it on a flat road.

    • @Durwood71
      @Durwood71 Před rokem

      My analog GX shifts pretty darn flawlessly, and it's a fraction of the price of the AXS.

  • @wamote6867
    @wamote6867 Před 4 lety +2

    My next eMTB will have the AXS derailleur and Reverb, i don't like cables and they don't like me. ;-)

  • @hervemasson5976
    @hervemasson5976 Před 3 lety

    nice trails !!

  • @oBseSsIoNPC
    @oBseSsIoNPC Před 4 lety +3

    something like that would make a lot more sense on e-bikes, where they can be connected through the frame, I am sure a few thin wires weight less than all the batteries put together.
    Still, kind of weird that there is even such a thing.

  • @mke723
    @mke723 Před 4 lety

    It would be really cool if you could operate the post from the shifter so you could have 1 less controler.

  • @chipsnpeasifuplz
    @chipsnpeasifuplz Před 3 lety

    Got both om my commencal meta and have to say i love it. However i managed to kill the battery by leaning it on the shifter some how. Fyi the dropper runs out first and i've found gears become glitchey when its on its way out too.

  • @M.E.Cyclist
    @M.E.Cyclist Před 2 lety +1

    Have you had any issues with the battery tabs breaking, specifically on the derailleur? I've gone through 3 in less than a year (on a road bike even!).

  • @rollinrat4850
    @rollinrat4850 Před 3 lety +1

    I think it would be funny for me and a riding partner to both have the AXS dropper and trade our controls. That could be a real 'kick in the pants' kinda fun!!

  • @CanonFirefly
    @CanonFirefly Před 4 lety +1

    They should have a generator in the pulley to keep the battery in the derailleur topped up.

  • @deisen123
    @deisen123 Před 3 lety +1

    Waiting for second gen system, hopefully at less cost.

  • @leandrrrr
    @leandrrrr Před 2 lety

    I‘m saving for a GX AXS.

  • @appacana
    @appacana Před 3 lety

    I just ordered the GX version and dropper post, $1400,

  • @luisfj9
    @luisfj9 Před 4 lety

    Not a bad idea but what I saw in the video the battery in the rear derailleur and the seat post the battery needs to be addressed, and the rear derailleur also needs to be built to last for what it is going to be worth. If those issues can be addressed then definitely they are onto something in regards to maintenance on these bicycles.

  • @twoweeledsoto6072
    @twoweeledsoto6072 Před 3 lety

    wow, what I nice area to ride! Where is that? Or, where is this? Where you at? Nice riding

  • @netposerx
    @netposerx Před 4 lety

    Why is this so much better than my Eagle SX? The cable or the actual derailleur? Or both? Wonder if they took the SX derailleur and converted it to wireless would it be better?

  • @diegosoaressantos2048
    @diegosoaressantos2048 Před 4 lety +1

    Shimano está chegando 👊🏻🇧🇷

  • @pe3117
    @pe3117 Před 4 lety

    My next two mods 🤘

  • @GokkunGuru
    @GokkunGuru Před 2 lety

    The up shift on the stock AXS controller has very little clearance with the lock ring of my grips. I wish they didn’t make the paddle so tall.

  • @ragabufragsome3426
    @ragabufragsome3426 Před 3 lety

    Hell yeah now we can have done with cables makes barspins and brakes without a giro work if it was applied to the braking system.

  • @Zetler
    @Zetler Před 2 lety

    As if my eMTB isn’t expensive enough. Now I want this too.

  • @Candesce
    @Candesce Před 4 lety

    I used an axs dropper and shifter at a demo. It's very nice but the buttons are a little weird. Also very good for demo bikes because it's so easy to micro adjust the dropper with single clicks. Just totally different to regular droppers. With that said, the long overall length means I'm not going to be able to fit the dropper.

  • @TikeMyson69
    @TikeMyson69 Před 3 lety

    A small, light hub dinamo to power these could be a good idea.

  • @993mike
    @993mike Před 4 lety

    I've never had good luck with Reverb posts, with the 3 I've had all failing in less than a year, so I'd be hard pressed to pay $800 for a wireless one (or any dropper for $800!). I'd stick with an ultra reliable and slick working Fox Transfer Post for less than half the cost.

  • @Larpy1933
    @Larpy1933 Před 4 lety +1

    You seem to have given a good balance of pros and cons. As far as price: those who can afford it and want it probably would pay 2x the current price if that’s what it cost.

  • @kahoycrafts
    @kahoycrafts Před 3 lety

    When are they coming out with the automatic transmission version, then you don't need the bluetooth shifter.

  • @Will762
    @Will762 Před 3 lety +6

    "You can sit on it with all your weight and it will still actuate perfectly". I'm confused, is this implying the post will actually lift you up?

  • @stefromfortworth
    @stefromfortworth Před 4 lety

    How are you finding the Sram G2s?

  • @chassbunnbuildingllc7231
    @chassbunnbuildingllc7231 Před 2 lety +1

    Been having shifting issues on my GX AXS! Shifts up and slow shifting down. Checked everything and drove 1.5 hours to Sram tech and still no fix.

  • @thibautnoah2599
    @thibautnoah2599 Před 3 lety

    So is that normal to have "an occasional pop"?
    I am assuming you are referring to the derailleur not being on the proper cog and jumping to it after a few rounds of pedaling?