No, it would have cost 8-$10,000 more and been more premium. Different market even if similar size. Now the 5 vs the 50? That one is definitely cannibalization.
As a Mazda sales person, I am disappointed. They should’ve made it smaller in length and maybe a little bit in width . just taking out the third row is not gonna work for this car. This car will not sell well.
I mean if the CX-90 sells well, this should too no? Although I have to admit you can’t tell the difference until you spot the third row. And for a 2-row midsize, it’s awfully massive.
Totally disagree with you. We are in a CX-90 because the CX-5 and CX-50 were too small for families with car seats. A bulky rear facing car seat prevented the front seats from being comfortable for taller drivers. You now have the ability to sell a real family sized 5 seater.
@@DM72513 would you buy a CX70 if it was only $500 less for an equivalent cx90? It's a slim slice of the pie when you are pricing yourself into a corner. Too much of a discount and you cannibalize sales from buyers like you who don't really need a third row. Too little a price difference and the third row is just a bonus.
@@DM72513 I'm in the same situation, with a CX5 but considering to switch because of rear facing seats. The problem for me is, my cx5 is a top trim and have some quality of life features that are only available in the top trim of the CX-90 MHEV, wich is too much money for me. I was hopping the CX-70 would be a little smaller than the CX-90 so it would be cheaper and solve my problems, but now, i don't think they will have a substantial price diffence
I don't think the CX-60 is gonna make it to the US.... Trust me, the CX-90/CX-70 look much better than the CX-60, which look.way too narrow for its length....
@@camilogomezkeep2324 As an European myself, i am very jealous that we dont get a wideboy CX like you do in the states. But Boy a wider CX60 would be a dream.
@@camilogomezkeep2324 I don't have any issue with CX-70 size, but i have issue with its capability compared to CX-60 PHEV. CX-60 PHEV can tow 5000lbs (2500kg), and EV range is 30+ miles which CX-70 PHEV couldn't compete.
IMHO Mazda should just import the CX60. Never mind the American sized body. If big people want more room they can buy bigger vehicles. Not everyone live in Vegas with wide roads and big parking lots. I'm sticking with the CX5 even if it's a little tight. I have 2 CX5 in the past 10 years and loved them both. Can't wait to see the next generation soon.
60 has similar dimensions to the 5, just a better design. i think most people wanted something in between the 5 and the 90. in other words, a cx-5 with the spaciousness of the crv
I have a hard time understanding some corporate decisions... They already have the CX60 in other markets that looks great, isn't it cheaper to just bring that model over, converting whatever needs to be converted to comply with regulations and just call it a day!? What's the point of having another model that looks identical to an existing one and opening up an additional production line and exhausting resources to do more of the same? If people don't like the CX90, what makes you think they'll buy an identical looking CX70 just because of a row delete!? Makes no sense.
Nice job Kirk. You and the Straight Pipes guys seem to be the only ones who call the CX-70 what is. A CX-90 without the 3rd row. Why the hype and the 1 year wait? A shrunken CX-90 would have been nice. Maybe Mazda can provide a set of CX-70 badges to CX-90 buyers for times when the 3rd row is folded down?
Brilliant option. If the badge was illuminated by LEDs, they'd only have to switch off the bottom left-hand quarter of the lights of the numeral nine (auto-trigggered by the seat-fold). BTW, for a shrunken version of the CX-90, see the CX-60. I'm kind of relieved that there's a 'lower' version of the CX-90 that doesn't compromise the ability for me to sleep in the back. Glad they kept that length.
@@PlaAwa yeah its kinda like a minivan, but a bit smaller. I want all htat cargo area since there are only 5 of us in the family. The sienna does not have enough ground clearance
@@kolt9051 I guess the same goes for the Kia Carnival? I was actually considering one of these at one stage, given that a main application was the ability to sleep in it. The minivans generally have a nice flat floor throughout with removable seats. was also looking at hiaces, especially when they had the V6's in them for a time. but Maz came out with the inline sixes just as I was going through a nerdy mech eng phase, all about the harmonic balance etc. and it's hard to look elsewhere. I guess the defender 130 ticks most of the same boxes but then falls apart with price and reliability (or related trust), plus it's body on frame and I'm not into off-roading. the CX-70 is compelling, especially because like you, I don't need 7 seats and these are going to be less expensive that the 90's. It'd be interesting to see whether the screws line up between the two for body mouldings etc. and parts interchangeability in general. a fan of modding and unique frankenstein creations.
Definitely weird to have an entirely different model designation for just a 3rd row seat delete. Signs of problems at Mazda? If they can't afford R&D for an exclusive model might at well just not offer the CX70 at all.
I'm not quite sure why they delayed the launch of this. I was hoping for a slightly shorter wheelbase and curb weight... and all we really got was a CX-90 with no 3rd row and less premium trim. The hope as well was that the back end would be more rounded and a little less "bulky". I guess I was hoping for a supersized version of the CX-50 with a that wonderful CX-90 powertrain. Instead, we have a pretend 3 row SUV that doesn't look that sporty at all. I'm probably waiting for the Crown Signia.
They blew it! 1)They will never be considered a luxury car company! 2) why did they make it the same size and length as the cx90?? Not everyone wants to drive a bus! 3) All they had to do was switch the cx60 to 70 here in USA!
build hype for the brand, hit a new target audience (ppl who wants 2 rows instead of 3, and ppl who dont want to spend as much as they do on cx90), relatively cheap to manufacture since its basically the same as cx90, so they can save alot of money on innovation and manufacturing.
Do you know it was funny I was watching the live stream reveal when he was talking about other Mazdas and how they were selling and then they unveil it and I literally thought they just left the CX 90 on the screen from early and didn’t change to the CX 70 yet😁
lmao but I actually really liked the in-depth comparison with the photos, i just play it at 2.5x speed. This beats dealing with slimy sales people and Kirk tells me so many details
Remember how Honda created the current Passport? They just took the third generation Pilot, cut about 6 inches from the length and called it a "new" model. I think that's what Mazda is trying to do here. At least Honda eventually restyled the front end of the Passport to look different from the Pilot in 2021.
Thing is Honda cut off 6 inches from the Pilot to build the Passport. Mazda did not do that here. It’s literally the same length. Their excuse of saying they wanted class leading passenger and cargo volume is lazy. It’s a RWD based vehicle. If they made it shorter it obviously would have less space than a passport, atlas cross sport, etc. but it’s driving dynamics is what would’ve made up for it. Idk how to feel about this. The 3rd row in the 90 isn’t the most roomy, but this is still a 200’ long vehicle with only 2 rows of seating.
But didn't Honda also make the Pilot longer when it was redesigned so now it's more than 6"? I haven't looked at specs but the Passport came out right in the middle of the Pilot's life cycle. A whole lot different here.
If mazda took out 6 inches and dropped some weight I wouldn't be mad lol unless this has pretty big price difference over the 90 then it's kinda pointless
Many buyers (like me) wanted that 3.3 Inline6 or PHEV in a smaller vehicle. Going to CX5 or CX50 it's not an option so please stop suggesting to go down in model for size! I'll wait for 2022 Genesis GV70 3.5t 375HP to depreciate some more. Makes my choice much easier. Mazda blew it!
@@Seriously140 Also.. Another bummer is that Toyota Crown Sport SUV is not coming to North America. That would have been my 1st choice. CX60 was my 2nd.. We keep getting screwed.
The biggest drawback with these new-gen CX models is that the second row seats are not 4/2/4 split folding like on the CX-5, thus losing the center load-thru capability which is normally expected on CUVs like these......
This is disappointing. It's the CX-90 with 3rd row delete. What is Mazda doing? I was hoping for the Euro CX-60, The 90 is nice, but is too big for me.
Thanks, for the review and reveal video. I'm really not in the CX-70 market, but I'm disappointed in a few things, such as there is no 40/20/40 split rear seat and the rear cargo cover doesn't attach to the hatch door and go up when you open it. I like those features on my CX-5. I did see in another video that the rear seat will recline some. I'm really looking forward and in the market for the CX-50 or new CX-5 Hybrid if and when they come out. Thanks again Kurt!
Loving my 24 Atlas Cross Sport. Glad I didn't wait for this. Lack of physical controls I'm getting used to and the voice control is great. Much prefer that over the lack of touch screen for CarPlay. Thanks for the preview.
I'm a bit disappointed, I hopped it was going to be a different vehicle. Maybe I'm really wrong and out of touch with the market, but this is too big for a 2 row suv and probably the price won't be much different from the cx-90. IMO the cx-70 shouldn't be a different car, but a different trim like CX-90 Sport or something equivalent
That look I have knowing VW at least gave the Atlas Cross Sport a different roof line, but Mazda only removed a row of seats and added an appearance package. 🤔
You’re splitting hairs comparing the interior trim stuff. On another channel they mentioned that isn’t the top trim CX-70 interior. The red isn’t available on the top trim. The CX-90 also has the same metal trim on lower trims.
I really didn’t think they would be this lazy… oh well. The all blacked out trim does look good. Here’s hoping they put the straight six in a smaller suv in the future for the US.
This is such a bummer. I was hoping it would be more like the CX-60. The 90 is too big for me and frankly the back of it just isn’t styled well. Such a missed opportunity to have a car between the cx5 and cx90 size.
Apart from the fact that is a CX-90 without the third row, I see a total lack of effort from Mazda. I cannot be sure but from photos seems they don’t even bother to cancel the cup holders for the inexistent third row in the trunk. Frankly speaking it is a joke that they call it a new model and not an option in CX-90 lineup
I hope they sort out the transmission shifting at low speeds, and that they make the seats more comfortable. I will *definitely* drive this and the Toyota Crown Signia when they become available.
Disappointed. Love the CX-90 but was hoping for something closer to the CX-60 in size. If the price of the CX-70 is a good bit lower than the CX-90 then I think it'll still do fine, because it's a CX-90 for cheaper, but still a missed opportunity to serve buyers who don't want such a big bodied SUV. The initial reports of the CX-70 being a wider CX-60 are what made me eager for today's unveiling but sadly i'm confused and disappointed.
The painted wheel surrounds are for Canada. US gets the black plastic. Some of the other trims bits may be Canada’s also, as well as trim level differences. I’m also disappointed that it’s not smaller than the 90.
Nice bro, just watched a bunch of 'reviews' and even though you didn't have an actual vehicle, yours has been the best with all the important deets and comparisons. My takeaways and hopes: The cost-cutting measures in relation to the cx-90 are also weight-saving and with the blacked-out bits and red interior, it's probably safe to say that this is being marketed as a relatively sporty vehicle. Given that this drivetrain has now been in production for nearly two years, there must be enough data and feedback to provide for development, so hopefully there will be some hotter engine versions not currently offered in the 60 and 90. I mean it's a big-bore turbo inline six - isn't this the epitome of 'potential'? A bigger turbo, added intercooler and bigger exhaust (stainless steel, mandrel bent) would be a nice (and easy) start but somehow this seems set to be more of a 'bread and butter' product, with all the added plastic etc. Let's hope we don't have to wait for the next Mazda6 for the hotter stuff. And let's pray that someone in Mazda with power is keen to unleash the hidden beast. They're already saving time and money by reusing the cx-90 for this 'new' model, so there are no excuses! BTW you have a good point regarding things maybe being more complicated if the 5 & 7 seaters had the same model number. I've experienced some related confusion with my Outlander. Separating them keeps things simple and allow for a whole new set of cheaper options, as we see. Plus it's quite astounding the number of trim levels on offer in the USA as it already stands with the CX-90. Bring on the CX-70 SP or MPS! (or some better-sounding modern equivalent!)
What?! What a disappointment. I was hoping the CX70 would be a smaller CX90. Then what 7-seater would Japan get because they only get the CX70? Maybe they’ll sell the CX90 as the CX70 in Japan. 🤔
Failure on Mazda for not elongating the Mazda CX-60 and giving clear differentiation in their line-up. Makes me wonder what the overseas Mazda CX-80 will end up being.
I was wondering that too. Now I am guessing they will take a CX-60 and cram in a miniature third row. If they won't spend the money to give the US market a truly different vehicle, why would other markets get a third model of an entirely unique size?
I’m all for the mid-size 2-row SUV because compact seats have seemingly been tailored for shorter drivers (less and less thigh support for taller drivers). But definitely did not need to be as long as the CX-90.
With this CX-70 released, Mazda is just asking a slap and punch at their face. Mazda shouldn't consider CX-70 a new model, and this is not even close to a CX-90 face lift. This is just a package option that should offer in CX-90 where you can select YES or NO for 3rd row just like Tesla Model Y. Mazda might as well not telling the American they are launching CX-70 if they are not ready. I don't understand what market Mazda is trying to sell CX-70, I can technically buy CX-90 with 3rd row fold down. Unless the pricing CX-70 is like half the price of CX-90, then is a different story. Sigh !!!
It's a CX90 with a 3rd row delete. Even tho it looks better its not something that's going to draw in people who wanted the new motor but something closer to the CX50 dimentionally like me
The CX60 was more closer to a compact crossover rather than a midsize. As much as people are hating on the 70 it will still sell because it will be cheaper than a 90 and have more storage space and for many that will be enough.
@@JackSmith-qi7dr it will be in a year. Remember that the CX-70 is a 2025 model and the 90 is a 24. Which means next when the 90 hits the 2025 model year we’ll see the true price difference.
I'm happy it's the same size, though I would have thought they would do what Genesis does with the GV-80 (which is to offer a 3rd row delete model with less content than the 3-row.) But if they had the will to put this drivetrain in a sedan, I would be super excited! I just have a lot of doubts such a vehicle will ever come.
The GV80 never tried to be a true 3 row crossover like the CX-90. It always sees itself as a X5 & GLE fighter. As for the miniature 3rd row, you only get it with the V6 powertrain. The highest trim is supposed to give you that luxurious Maybach feel. If you want to go the sporty route, we have the upcoming GV80 Coupe that's have a host of changes that is unique to that vehicle. The CX-70 is a half-ass vehicle comparison to Q8/GV80 Coupe/Atlas Cross/GLE Coupe/X6 in differentiating from their more traditional forms.
This (same vehicle as CX-90 minus the 3rd row, and no fancy luxury interiors) has been predicted for months. I was fine with the idea, but thought they'd at least change the rear end to be a bit more raked or "coupe-like" (think BMW X5 & X6, or VW's Atlas & Atlas Cross Sport.) But giving us all the cargo area of the CX-90 could be a plus to some who don't want or need a 3rd row and don't want to haul it around everywhere they go. We'll see - it's great to have choice though (all the 5-seater SUVs out there, not just a CX-70 & CX-90.) The customer wins.
Mazda might have just signed their death knell. They are a small company with limited resources. Bringing a new car to market takes about $1 billion. Mazda has developed the CX-90/CX-70, the CX-60, and are soon bringing to Europe and other markets a CX-80. That is three vehicles, admittedly with many similarities. The CX-60 would have been exactly in the heart of the market for US buyers, but they are totally absent in the most crucial space. The CX-90 is not cutting it for most people because it is too large. The CX-5 is too small. Another problem with the CX-90/CX-70 is the positioning in the market. It compares favorably with things like an Explorer, Highlander, Telluride, but does not go far enough to take conquest sales from Mercedes and BMW. The CX-90 lacks the small luxury touches to really be the complete package. Mazda spent a billion dollars to develop a RWD platform and in inline 6, only to cheap out and not put auto lock/unlock sensors on the rear doors. The entire car is full of puzzling cheap touches like that. I have no knowledge of Mazda's finances, but it seems likely they emptied out their coffers and are not going to get much return on this investment. Mazda needed to develop two vehicles. The CX-60 and the CX-90. Sell them both around the world. It is going to be very interesting to see just what exactly a CX-80 is going to be. Based on the lie that is the CX-70, the CX-80 will probably be a CX-60 with a tiny third row jammed in.
According to BestCar the 6 sedan based on the large product architecture was put on hold since the financial viability was questionable based on how the SUVs were performing. And the CX-70 is a clear sign that Mazda is short on cash to create completely new products. Mazda's sales have been strong last year but that's mostly because many of their vehicles are heavily discounted. The CX-90 in my area is discounted by 2-3k, meanwhile the Grand Highlander has a 6-month waitlist with at least 4k ADM. I know enthusiasts love the brand and the media give them rave reviews, but Mazda chose the objectively more expensive way to build large vehicles. But they don't even have the pricing power of Genesis let alone the German brands, and they don't have the economies of scale of Lexus. So they will always make less profit per vehicle. At the end of the day car makers exist to make money, not make enthusiasts happy. Every car company in Japan made record profit this year because of the weak Yen, yet Mazda barely made a profit, even less than Suzuki which is an economy brand.
Looks like someone filtered the 2026 CX-90 facelift ahead of time. Different bumpers and there you go. Hopefully it has some mechanical or dynamics improvements over the "bigger" brother. Deleting a seat row and changing textures is not worth to take a segment name. I see more differences between the Mazda 3 sedan and the hatchback and both are called the same.
Waiting for the replacement CX5 Replacement with a R EV PHEV maybe with a twin rotor rotary generator. What are the chances Kirk. I like the CX70 look. Not keen on the CX60 available here.
I am deceived by the CX-70, not by the car itself, but by the marketing hype that created excitement but at the end it is just the deletion of the back seats. Of course the trims are a little bit different but is it not a new car.
Yes, why why why Mazda? That's a no go. Why call it a 70? I guess their goal is to have two nearly identical models in each segment size. Just plain weird
Those fake vents in the front are hideous .. wow. WTH Mazda. And like others mention, get a 90 and fold down 3rd row lol. Put that 6 in a 60 and then we can talk.
I wonder what else have you expected? Mazda is small manufacturer with a shrinking market in two of biggest car markets (EU and UK and China). In order to keep going for few more Years it has to utilise same components and parts in as many models as it could. Whoever expected big differences was living in dreams.
Almost a year ago Jonathan Sewell on his channel predicted the CX-70 would be a two-row version of the CX-90. I was hoping he was wrong and we'd get something closer to Europe's CX-60, which is almost a foot shorter than the CX-70. I'm on my second, leased CX-5 turbo Signature and hope the CX-5 survives. If not, Mazda will have nothing for me as I'm not interested in a CX-50.
I would have liked to have seen a 4 seat version with a second row captain chair option with a center console. The middle seat is useless in most vehicles.
Wha?! Seems like a miss by Mazda. The 5 is 179 inches long and the 90 is 202 inches. There is definitely a length in between the two that would be more useful as a luxury focused two row vehicle. I think it is called the CX-60 in Europe.
Fold down cx90 third row , you have a CX70😂
And decontent it a bit ... especially the cosmetics ... but yeah. 😕
Can't wait for the big reveal of the CX-65 in January 2025! They will pull out the second row too, but leave the cup holders.
The cx-90 will change to cx-70 if you fold down the third row
Very true they should of changed the cx-70 outside a little bit from the cx-90
It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen from a design point of view. I thought we would have got a shorter wheelbase 🤷🏻♂️
If I toss out the third row seats in CX-90 then I can call it a CX-70 lol
If NA wasn’t so obsessed with SUVs and trucks, I’m sure this thing would not exist. Bring back the 6!
I’m convinced the reason the CX-60 didn’t come to the US (or something similarly sized) is that it would eat up CX-5 and CX-50 sales.
Assuming the CX-60 was larger and more expensive, Mazda would welcome that.
Cannibalizing their own product.
I don't think it has done that here in Europe
The 60 wasn’t really much bigger than a 50. A little over an inch wide and two inches taller so it’s essentially a compact.
No, it would have cost 8-$10,000 more and been more premium. Different market even if similar size. Now the 5 vs the 50? That one is definitely cannibalization.
They made US customers waiting for this long. What for this cx90 lookalike without 3rd row?
As a Mazda sales person, I am disappointed. They should’ve made it smaller in length and maybe a little bit in width . just taking out the third row is not gonna work for this car. This car will not sell well.
I mean if the CX-90 sells well, this should too no? Although I have to admit you can’t tell the difference until you spot the third row. And for a 2-row midsize, it’s awfully massive.
Totally disagree with you. We are in a CX-90 because the CX-5 and CX-50 were too small for families with car seats. A bulky rear facing car seat prevented the front seats from being comfortable for taller drivers. You now have the ability to sell a real family sized 5 seater.
Mazda loves to cannibalize their own sales.😂
@@DM72513 would you buy a CX70 if it was only $500 less for an equivalent cx90?
It's a slim slice of the pie when you are pricing yourself into a corner. Too much of a discount and you cannibalize sales from buyers like you who don't really need a third row. Too little a price difference and the third row is just a bonus.
@@DM72513 I'm in the same situation, with a CX5 but considering to switch because of rear facing seats.
The problem for me is, my cx5 is a top trim and have some quality of life features that are only available in the top trim of the CX-90 MHEV, wich is too much money for me.
I was hopping the CX-70 would be a little smaller than the CX-90 so it would be cheaper and solve my problems, but now, i don't think they will have a substantial price diffence
I'll pass and wait for the import of the CX 60 or the new CX 5. This is so bad that it's like the real CX 70 was cancelled!
I don't think the CX-60 is gonna make it to the US.... Trust me, the CX-90/CX-70 look much better than the CX-60, which look.way too narrow for its length....
@@camilogomezkeep2324 As an European myself, i am very jealous that we dont get a wideboy CX like you do in the states. But Boy a wider CX60 would be a dream.
@@camilogomezkeep2324 I like the looks of the CX-60 and prefer it to the 90 :(
@@camilogomezkeep2324 I don't have any issue with CX-70 size, but i have issue with its capability compared to CX-60 PHEV. CX-60 PHEV can tow 5000lbs (2500kg), and EV range is 30+ miles which CX-70 PHEV couldn't compete.
For all those who wanted the inline 6 in a shorter and lighter form factor, a big disappointment.
@DavidDLee
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A bit of a let down......Now, when do we hear about CX-50 hybrid?!?! That's what I'm really waiting for 🙂
Now that's what my next upgrade would be. I got the naturally aspirated one and it's lovely!
If rumours are true it is going to use the same powertrain as Rav4 Hybrid. It's gonna be boring ride. Mazda badged Rav4
IMHO Mazda should just import the CX60. Never mind the American sized body. If big people want more room they can buy bigger vehicles. Not everyone live in Vegas with wide roads and big parking lots. I'm sticking with the CX5 even if it's a little tight. I have 2 CX5 in the past 10 years and loved them both. Can't wait to see the next generation soon.
60 has similar dimensions to the 5, just a better design. i think most people wanted something in between the 5 and the 90. in other words, a cx-5 with the spaciousness of the crv
I have a hard time understanding some corporate decisions... They already have the CX60 in other markets that looks great, isn't it cheaper to just bring that model over, converting whatever needs to be converted to comply with regulations and just call it a day!? What's the point of having another model that looks identical to an existing one and opening up an additional production line and exhausting resources to do more of the same? If people don't like the CX90, what makes you think they'll buy an identical looking CX70 just because of a row delete!? Makes no sense.
Nice job Kirk. You and the Straight Pipes guys seem to be the only ones who call the CX-70 what is. A CX-90 without the 3rd row. Why the hype and the 1 year wait? A shrunken CX-90 would have been nice. Maybe Mazda can provide a set of CX-70 badges to CX-90 buyers for times when the 3rd row is folded down?
Brilliant option. If the badge was illuminated by LEDs, they'd only have to switch off the bottom left-hand quarter of the lights of the numeral nine (auto-trigggered by the seat-fold). BTW, for a shrunken version of the CX-90, see the CX-60. I'm kind of relieved that there's a 'lower' version of the CX-90 that doesn't compromise the ability for me to sleep in the back. Glad they kept that length.
@@PlaAwa yeah its kinda like a minivan, but a bit smaller. I want all htat cargo area since there are only 5 of us in the family. The sienna does not have enough ground clearance
@@kolt9051 I guess the same goes for the Kia Carnival? I was actually considering one of these at one stage, given that a main application was the ability to sleep in it. The minivans generally have a nice flat floor throughout with removable seats. was also looking at hiaces, especially when they had the V6's in them for a time. but Maz came out with the inline sixes just as I was going through a nerdy mech eng phase, all about the harmonic balance etc. and it's hard to look elsewhere. I guess the defender 130 ticks most of the same boxes but then falls apart with price and reliability (or related trust), plus it's body on frame and I'm not into off-roading. the CX-70 is compelling, especially because like you, I don't need 7 seats and these are going to be less expensive that the 90's. It'd be interesting to see whether the screws line up between the two for body mouldings etc. and parts interchangeability in general. a fan of modding and unique frankenstein creations.
Definitely weird to have an entirely different model designation for just a 3rd row seat delete. Signs of problems at Mazda? If they can't afford R&D for an exclusive model might at well just not offer the CX70 at all.
I'm not quite sure why they delayed the launch of this. I was hoping for a slightly shorter wheelbase and curb weight... and all we really got was a CX-90 with no 3rd row and less premium trim. The hope as well was that the back end would be more rounded and a little less "bulky". I guess I was hoping for a supersized version of the CX-50 with a that wonderful CX-90 powertrain. Instead, we have a pretend 3 row SUV that doesn't look that sporty at all. I'm probably waiting for the Crown Signia.
They blew it! 1)They will never be considered a luxury car company! 2) why did they make it the same size and length as the cx90?? Not everyone wants to drive a bus! 3) All they had to do was switch the cx60 to 70 here in USA!
what's the business logic or strategy of this??? Im so lost why Mazda chose to go this route.
build hype for the brand, hit a new target audience (ppl who wants 2 rows instead of 3, and ppl who dont want to spend as much as they do on cx90), relatively cheap to manufacture since its basically the same as cx90, so they can save alot of money on innovation and manufacturing.
It looks exactly like the cx90, might aswell just lower the 3rd row down in a cx90 and call it a day
I’ll pass, too big. So disappointed!
exactly...most 2-row shoppers are not looking for a land barge
Been waiting over a year and what a letdown. May have to wait for new Landcruiser 193", much better size.
Do you know it was funny I was watching the live stream reveal when he was talking about other Mazdas and how they were selling and then they unveil it and I literally thought they just left the CX 90 on the screen from early and didn’t change to the CX 70 yet😁
no offense Kirk but how did you manage to make an 18 minute video out of a re-hashed CX-90?
Quite impressive 😁
lmao but I actually really liked the in-depth comparison with the photos, i just play it at 2.5x speed. This beats dealing with slimy sales people and Kirk tells me so many details
Remember how Honda created the current Passport? They just took the third generation Pilot, cut about 6 inches from the length and called it a "new" model. I think that's what Mazda is trying to do here. At least Honda eventually restyled the front end of the Passport to look different from the Pilot in 2021.
Thing is Honda cut off 6 inches from the Pilot to build the Passport. Mazda did not do that here. It’s literally the same length. Their excuse of saying they wanted class leading passenger and cargo volume is lazy. It’s a RWD based vehicle. If they made it shorter it obviously would have less space than a passport, atlas cross sport, etc. but it’s driving dynamics is what would’ve made up for it. Idk how to feel about this. The 3rd row in the 90 isn’t the most roomy, but this is still a 200’ long vehicle with only 2 rows of seating.
But didn't Honda also make the Pilot longer when it was redesigned so now it's more than 6"? I haven't looked at specs but the Passport came out right in the middle of the Pilot's life cycle. A whole lot different here.
If mazda took out 6 inches and dropped some weight I wouldn't be mad lol unless this has pretty big price difference over the 90 then it's kinda pointless
Many buyers (like me) wanted that 3.3 Inline6 or PHEV in a smaller vehicle. Going to CX5 or CX50 it's not an option so please stop suggesting to go down in model for size!
I'll wait for 2022 Genesis GV70 3.5t 375HP to depreciate some more. Makes my choice much easier. Mazda blew it!
I agree. I was expecting a GV70 type vehicle at a lower price. Mazda did blow it.
@@Seriously140 Also.. Another bummer is that Toyota Crown Sport SUV is not coming to North America. That would have been my 1st choice. CX60 was my 2nd.. We keep getting screwed.
What was the reason for the big delay if it’s basically a CX-90? Disappointing 😔
They couldn't decide whether to leave the 3rd row cup holders in or not when they removed the 3rd row seats!
Ehh. Was hoping its size would be closer to the 50 than 90
The biggest drawback with these new-gen CX models is that the second row seats are not 4/2/4 split folding like on the CX-5, thus losing the center load-thru capability which is normally expected on CUVs like these......
Mazda should, in my view, just bring the Euro version CX-60 here stateside.
This is disappointing. It's the CX-90 with 3rd row delete.
What is Mazda doing? I was hoping for the Euro CX-60, The 90 is nice, but is too big for me.
I'll take the European CX60 please. Its a foot shorter in length and a bit narrower. Easier to drive and park in an urban area.
Wait they took out the third row option and released it as a brand new model? 😂😂😂
Thanks, for the review and reveal video. I'm really not in the CX-70 market, but I'm disappointed in a few things, such as there is no 40/20/40 split rear seat and the rear cargo cover doesn't attach to the hatch door and go up when you open it. I like those features on my CX-5. I did see in another video that the rear seat will recline some.
I'm really looking forward and in the market for the CX-50 or new CX-5 Hybrid if and when they come out. Thanks again Kurt!
You’ll have to wait until Toyota can allocate batteries and hybrid components to them first.
Wait... maybe Mazda chose CX-70 to show us the new font type for what could be a new RX-7 decal...
I was hoping the 70 wouldn't have the silly bulbous back end of the 90 (the 90's worst feature).
Loving my 24 Atlas Cross Sport. Glad I didn't wait for this. Lack of physical controls I'm getting used to and the voice control is great. Much prefer that over the lack of touch screen for CarPlay. Thanks for the preview.
Car play and android auto have touchscreen. Watch my cx90 phev review
I'm a bit disappointed, I hopped it was going to be a different vehicle.
Maybe I'm really wrong and out of touch with the market, but this is too big for a 2 row suv and probably the price won't be much different from the cx-90.
IMO the cx-70 shouldn't be a different car, but a different trim like CX-90 Sport or something equivalent
HEY MAZDA! YA BLEW IT!!
That look I have knowing VW at least gave the Atlas Cross Sport a different roof line, but Mazda only removed a row of seats and added an appearance package. 🤔
You’re splitting hairs comparing the interior trim stuff. On another channel they mentioned that isn’t the top trim CX-70 interior. The red isn’t available on the top trim. The CX-90 also has the same metal trim on lower trims.
I really didn’t think they would be this lazy… oh well. The all blacked out trim does look good. Here’s hoping they put the straight six in a smaller suv in the future for the US.
It's not April Fool's Day yet, I hope this is just a joke.When the real cx70 comes out, this will become an option for the 2-row version of the cx90
Sadly it's not a joke
This is such a bummer. I was hoping it would be more like the CX-60. The 90 is too big for me and frankly the back of it just isn’t styled well. Such a missed opportunity to have a car between the cx5 and cx90 size.
Apart from the fact that is a CX-90 without the third row, I see a total lack of effort from Mazda. I cannot be sure but from photos seems they don’t even bother to cancel the cup holders for the inexistent third row in the trunk. Frankly speaking it is a joke that they call it a new model and not an option in CX-90 lineup
I hope they sort out the transmission shifting at low speeds, and that they make the seats more comfortable. I will *definitely* drive this and the Toyota Crown Signia when they become available.
Like the 70 more I think! I like the black trim and the black wheels that they have!
Probably won't be more than $3000-$4000 cheaper than the CX-90 across all trim levels. It's weird that it's the same length. Basically the same SUV.
Personally I think the cx70 looks substantially better than the 90.
Disappointed. Love the CX-90 but was hoping for something closer to the CX-60 in size. If the price of the CX-70 is a good bit lower than the CX-90 then I think it'll still do fine, because it's a CX-90 for cheaper, but still a missed opportunity to serve buyers who don't want such a big bodied SUV. The initial reports of the CX-70 being a wider CX-60 are what made me eager for today's unveiling but sadly i'm confused and disappointed.
Fold 3rd row of cx90 and now it’s cx70 tada……😂
The painted wheel surrounds are for Canada. US gets the black plastic. Some of the other trims bits may be Canada’s also, as well as trim level differences. I’m also disappointed that it’s not smaller than the 90.
Nice bro, just watched a bunch of 'reviews' and even though you didn't have an actual vehicle, yours has been the best with all the important deets and comparisons. My takeaways and hopes:
The cost-cutting measures in relation to the cx-90 are also weight-saving and with the blacked-out bits and red interior, it's probably safe to say that this is being marketed as a relatively sporty vehicle.
Given that this drivetrain has now been in production for nearly two years, there must be enough data and feedback to provide for development, so hopefully there will be some hotter engine versions not currently offered in the 60 and 90.
I mean it's a big-bore turbo inline six - isn't this the epitome of 'potential'? A bigger turbo, added intercooler and bigger exhaust (stainless steel, mandrel bent) would be a nice (and easy) start but somehow this seems set to be more of a 'bread and butter' product, with all the added plastic etc.
Let's hope we don't have to wait for the next Mazda6 for the hotter stuff. And let's pray that someone in Mazda with power is keen to unleash the hidden beast. They're already saving time and money by reusing the cx-90 for this 'new' model, so there are no excuses!
BTW you have a good point regarding things maybe being more complicated if the 5 & 7 seaters had the same model number. I've experienced some related confusion with my Outlander.
Separating them keeps things simple and allow for a whole new set of cheaper options, as we see. Plus it's quite astounding the number of trim levels on offer in the USA as it already stands with the CX-90.
Bring on the CX-70 SP or MPS! (or some better-sounding modern equivalent!)
I’m now waiting for the reverse CX-70: The 3-row pick-up truck.
What?! What a disappointment. I was hoping the CX70 would be a smaller CX90. Then what 7-seater would Japan get because they only get the CX70? Maybe they’ll sell the CX90 as the CX70 in Japan. 🤔
Failure on Mazda for not elongating the Mazda CX-60 and giving clear differentiation in their line-up. Makes me wonder what the overseas Mazda CX-80 will end up being.
I was wondering that too. Now I am guessing they will take a CX-60 and cram in a miniature third row. If they won't spend the money to give the US market a truly different vehicle, why would other markets get a third model of an entirely unique size?
Kirk I love the interior 😊❤
I’m all for the mid-size 2-row SUV because compact seats have seemingly been tailored for shorter drivers (less and less thigh support for taller drivers). But definitely did not need to be as long as the CX-90.
I was hoping for a smaller car.
disappointing, now it's all about the next cx-5 for me
With this CX-70 released, Mazda is just asking a slap and punch at their face. Mazda shouldn't consider CX-70 a new model, and this is not even close to a CX-90 face lift. This is just a package option that should offer in CX-90 where you can select YES or NO for 3rd row just like Tesla Model Y. Mazda might as well not telling the American they are launching CX-70 if they are not ready. I don't understand what market Mazda is trying to sell CX-70, I can technically buy CX-90 with 3rd row fold down. Unless the pricing CX-70 is like half the price of CX-90, then is a different story. Sigh !!!
I was hoping it'd be smaller, but like that it'll be more blacked out, same tech, cheaper
The European cx60 still looks smaller, even though they are style wise almost identical at this point
Was hoping for something with the "rugged" cx-50 styling, but bigger, with the inline-6 hybrid powertrain. :(
他和cx60的差別是啥？
We were hoping for CX-60
Wish it was a bit smaller but the all black with the wine red seats is 😍
I can find you any car anywhere in black.
It's a CX90 with a 3rd row delete. Even tho it looks better its not something that's going to draw in people who wanted the new motor but something closer to the CX50 dimentionally like me
The CX60 was more closer to a compact crossover rather than a midsize. As much as people are hating on the 70 it will still sell because it will be cheaper than a 90 and have more storage space and for many that will be enough.
Not cheaper.
@@JackSmith-qi7dr it will be in a year. Remember that the CX-70 is a 2025 model and the 90 is a 24. Which means next when the 90 hits the 2025 model year we’ll see the true price difference.
Says coming spring 24 on website
I'm happy it's the same size, though I would have thought they would do what Genesis does with the GV-80 (which is to offer a 3rd row delete model with less content than the 3-row.) But if they had the will to put this drivetrain in a sedan, I would be super excited! I just have a lot of doubts such a vehicle will ever come.
The GV80 never tried to be a true 3 row crossover like the CX-90. It always sees itself as a X5 & GLE fighter. As for the miniature 3rd row, you only get it with the V6 powertrain. The highest trim is supposed to give you that luxurious Maybach feel. If you want to go the sporty route, we have the upcoming GV80 Coupe that's have a host of changes that is unique to that vehicle. The CX-70 is a half-ass vehicle comparison to Q8/GV80 Coupe/Atlas Cross/GLE Coupe/X6 in differentiating from their more traditional forms.
I like The CX-70 better but, I just want The New Mazda 6!!
This (same vehicle as CX-90 minus the 3rd row, and no fancy luxury interiors) has been predicted for months. I was fine with the idea, but thought they'd at least change the rear end to be a bit more raked or "coupe-like" (think BMW X5 & X6, or VW's Atlas & Atlas Cross Sport.) But giving us all the cargo area of the CX-90 could be a plus to some who don't want or need a 3rd row and don't want to haul it around everywhere they go. We'll see - it's great to have choice though (all the 5-seater SUVs out there, not just a CX-70 & CX-90.) The customer wins.
I actually like it. No chrome is a plus for me. Parts will be easy to obtain
Mazda might have just signed their death knell. They are a small company with limited resources. Bringing a new car to market takes about $1 billion. Mazda has developed the CX-90/CX-70, the CX-60, and are soon bringing to Europe and other markets a CX-80. That is three vehicles, admittedly with many similarities.
The CX-60 would have been exactly in the heart of the market for US buyers, but they are totally absent in the most crucial space. The CX-90 is not cutting it for most people because it is too large. The CX-5 is too small.
Another problem with the CX-90/CX-70 is the positioning in the market. It compares favorably with things like an Explorer, Highlander, Telluride, but does not go far enough to take conquest sales from Mercedes and BMW. The CX-90 lacks the small luxury touches to really be the complete package. Mazda spent a billion dollars to develop a RWD platform and in inline 6, only to cheap out and not put auto lock/unlock sensors on the rear doors. The entire car is full of puzzling cheap touches like that.
I have no knowledge of Mazda's finances, but it seems likely they emptied out their coffers and are not going to get much return on this investment.
Mazda needed to develop two vehicles. The CX-60 and the CX-90. Sell them both around the world. It is going to be very interesting to see just what exactly a CX-80 is going to be. Based on the lie that is the CX-70, the CX-80 will probably be a CX-60 with a tiny third row jammed in.
Shorter, and traditional hybrid, and I would have bought this
Mazda said spring 2024 for release date.
Speculation on the pricing?
Maybe $2-$3k less
According to BestCar the 6 sedan based on the large product architecture was put on hold since the financial viability was questionable based on how the SUVs were performing. And the CX-70 is a clear sign that Mazda is short on cash to create completely new products. Mazda's sales have been strong last year but that's mostly because many of their vehicles are heavily discounted. The CX-90 in my area is discounted by 2-3k, meanwhile the Grand Highlander has a 6-month waitlist with at least 4k ADM.
I know enthusiasts love the brand and the media give them rave reviews, but Mazda chose the objectively more expensive way to build large vehicles. But they don't even have the pricing power of Genesis let alone the German brands, and they don't have the economies of scale of Lexus. So they will always make less profit per vehicle. At the end of the day car makers exist to make money, not make enthusiasts happy. Every car company in Japan made record profit this year because of the weak Yen, yet Mazda barely made a profit, even less than Suzuki which is an economy brand.
not sure but it appears to me that the cx70 has a shorter wheelbase than the cx90 with the same body length as the cx90
Looks like someone filtered the 2026 CX-90 facelift ahead of time. Different bumpers and there you go. Hopefully it has some mechanical or dynamics improvements over the "bigger" brother. Deleting a seat row and changing textures is not worth to take a segment name. I see more differences between the Mazda 3 sedan and the hatchback and both are called the same.
at the end it´s the same Car without a 3 row, Japanese Marketing😂
Waiting for the replacement CX5 Replacement with a R EV PHEV maybe with a twin rotor rotary generator. What are the chances Kirk. I like the CX70 look. Not keen on the CX60 available here.
i own a 3.3 inline cx60 and its big enough.. identitical interior with the cx90, i dont know why mazda couldn't just move it over to NA
I am deceived by the CX-70, not by the car itself, but by the marketing hype that created excitement but at the end it is just the deletion of the back seats. Of course the trims are a little bit different but is it not a new car.
I'm pretty sure I saw something about it releasing Spring 2024.
lol Mazda gave the CX90 a very mild mid-cycle refresh, gave it a new name, and then calls it an all new model.
Is this car going to be cheaper than the CX-90?
I expect CX-70 to be rivals with RX, RDX , X3 , GV70
Yes, why why why Mazda? That's a no go. Why call it a 70? I guess their goal is to have two nearly identical models in each segment size. Just plain weird
Those fake vents in the front are hideous .. wow. WTH Mazda. And like others mention, get a 90 and fold down 3rd row lol. Put that 6 in a 60 and then we can talk.
I wonder what else have you expected? Mazda is small manufacturer with a shrinking market in two of biggest car markets (EU and UK and China). In order to keep going for few more Years it has to utilise same components and parts in as many models as it could. Whoever expected big differences was living in dreams.
Almost a year ago Jonathan Sewell on his channel predicted the CX-70 would be a two-row version of the CX-90. I was hoping he was wrong and we'd get something closer to Europe's CX-60, which is almost a foot shorter than the CX-70. I'm on my second, leased CX-5 turbo Signature and hope the CX-5 survives. If not, Mazda will have nothing for me as I'm not interested in a CX-50.
They would kill if they made the inline 6 in a wagon
Yeah, I think they should’ve shortened the vehicle to differentiate from the 90.
This model is horrible. Why the same length with CX90? I’m definitely out
Cool
As a lifelong Mazda fan this makes absolutely no sense to me.
Let see the price
It should be called 5 seater CX-90 Sport 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why would they do another reveal if it is the same car? What a waste of money. Might as well do the 3rd row option to begin with.
I would have liked to have seen a 4 seat version with a second row captain chair option with a center console. The middle seat is useless in most vehicles.
Literally just buy the Cx-90 with the captains seats??
@@tysongaspard9330 well yes. But like others have mentioned I was also hoping for a slightly shorter vehicle.
Wha?! Seems like a miss by Mazda. The 5 is 179 inches long and the 90 is 202 inches. There is definitely a length in between the two that would be more useful as a luxury focused two row vehicle. I think it is called the CX-60 in Europe.