Engine DJ 3.3 Brings Profiles, Track Match, Fader Echo & More
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Denon DJ and Numark standalone DJ console users rejoice - a big new update to Engine DJ has brought a raft of much-requested features, and a few surprises. We demo them all on this live lesson.
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0:00 Intro
2:56 User Profiles
6:23 Cloud BPM, key, and beatgrids
8:59 Match
12:35 Fader Echo
16:20 Phase Meter
18:59 FX improvements
20:47 Better smart playlists on desktop
21:38 The future of Engine DJ
24:53 Website remodel
27:27 DJ community chat
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⚡ TIMESTAMPS ⚡
0:00 Intro
2:56 User Profiles
6:23 Cloud BPM, key, and beatgrids
8:59 Match
12:35 Fader Echo
16:20 Phase Meter
18:59 FX improvements
20:47 Better smart playlists on desktop
21:38 The future of Engine DJ
24:53 Website remodel
27:27 DJ community chat
BUT YOUR BOOK IS COVERING UP P4 + THE OTHER UPDATE DIDNT WORK RIGHT ON MY P4
So happy to see denon listening to my request for the match feature! I Added this request to their feature request forum a while back and I’m beyond grateful it was implemented! 9:00
Excellent!
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Denon. They just keep on giving. ❤
If they are doubling down on streaming they need to add the ability to access these services from Engine DJ Desktop for proper set preparation, like you can on the competition.
You can't really on the competition, only when using a laptop to DJ from. But I agree this would be preferable, cached copies of streaming tracks on USB would be the best solution.
Denon is simply fantastic!! Congratulations on the video.
Thank you kindly!
As always with ddjt: 200% clear and concise information, super stuff we have come to count on you for Phil and gang❤️
We appreciate that, thanks Wylatron!
I totally agree, uncle Phil the OG always delivers ❤
Best video so far. Phil in Flames! Glad to see.
Glad you enjoyed this, was fun to bring this to the community.
It's pleasant to have regulary updates , It will be so cool to be able to tag a track directly in the all in one and not only on the pc
they watch these comments, so you will be heard (but also get inside their forum if you aren't already)
Match function was a critical add to compete with Pioneer’s sorting features. 👏🏼
Yes, a hugely welcome addition.
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Great thanks Again, John from KINSHASA
Great video! Thanks for so mamy useful information
Glad it was helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the very informative video✌️✅😃
We're happy to help.
All caught up on your videos. Now time to catch up on the Live broadcasts.
Great stuff
Glad to help
Like the new look.
I’m so happy 😂
Ah, happy days! The tip on how to get a Serato Pitch 'N Time individual licence @ 38:15 was fantastic! Worked for me as I just bought it to added to my DJ pro licence. Yahtzee! Oh, and I've got a Mixstream Pro, so just waiting for 3.3 to drop! Just need Denon to enable streaming lists by BPM/Key, etc.
Hopefully they'll find a way to do this.
I tried finding it on Reddit with no luck. post the link here please
Biggest update for me is the cue levels on the prime GO well done Denon
Yes, this is a good improvement.
There is a workaround for organising streaming tracks by BPM, Key, etc.. Create a prep playlist and slide the streaming tracks into that playlists, then open the playlist on your gear (I use SC6000's) and you should be able to sort the tracks in that playlist. It is a workaround and no you don't need a laptop.
Also, besides the individual device ID's being needed for the login codes to work... I also think the the profile sign in option is fantastic, and while I agree that if you are djing on your own set of SC6000's or SC 5000's at home, signing in both at once would be great... but perhaps the reason it is only on each player, is because if you are taking over from another DJ, then you sign in on the 2nd standalone while they finish up their set.... then you drop your track and then when you move to the next track, you sign in on the other deck.
Maybe this is why it's separate but it would be useful to be able to choose if you want to sign into both at once or not...just a thought.
Great vid as always. Thanks so much, Phil and the team at DDJT.🙌
Good point re "signing out" on one while someone else "signs in" on the other.
* UPDATE* nervermind, found it: Tidal tracks do show up under the prepare section: so I guess this is what you described, the only downside would be to slide each individual track, I have hundreds if not thousands in Tidal. Thanks!
I'm actually trying to make this work as I type this: "Create a prep playlist and slide the streaming tracks into that playlists, then open the playlist on your gear". Would you mind explaining it a bit more? I'm on a SC6000 or SC6000m, I opened Tidal, picked a track, slided it to the right, then prepare, this takes the track into the prepare section on the left hand side, but to get to it from the tidal playlists, I need to click source, then choose my usb drive, then I can actually see the PREPARE section, I see the tidal track in there, but no option to sort by BPM or key. Very much appreciated if there is way to sort by BPM like Serato does. I'm logged in with my profile, so I can see that the tidal tracks that I load up are actually populating into the Tidal database, that is awesome. I will most likely load all and analyze all my tracks but this will take a long time, happy to at least being able to contribute to the broad Tidal community, since BPM is being carried over globally. Thanks a lot.
@digitaldjtips Thanks Phil. 🙌 Wouldn't have thought of it if I hadn't watched your breakdown. 🙌
@gustavoacs2010 Hi there. Yes, you raise a crucial point regarding TIDAL, regarding the analysis data - BPM, Key etc... I use Beatport Link to stream, so all the available tracks have this data, which makes this workaround possible. I think that now that the TIDAL is out of Beta, the crowd sourcing method of getting the track data will eventually give you an almost complete list of analysed tracks and is a fantastic step in the right direction, in my humble opinion.
However, with Tidal, you are correct... At the moment, you still need to analyse the track before putting it into a prep playlist in order to make the sorting option by BPM, etc, available. One solution that Denon and Engine could look at, is that as soon as you slide a track into a prep playlist, that hasn't been analysed, it gets analysed in the background as you continue adding tracks. This may already be the case as I still need to try this.
I hope this helps, and I can totally sympathise. I have playlists for every genre on Beatport Link and add to them daily. The one real plus is that I only need the subscription and don't need to buy the tracks to access pretty much the whole libary. With Denon and Engine Dj's system of preloading and saving the track, it means even if my connection goes down, that track won't disappear. Having offline lockers of tracks for gigs is also a bonus, but I do think that all streaming platforms need to look at on device track management. Have an awesome one, and apologies for the lengthy reply.
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Hi, do you know if smooth echo will be available on the x1850?
This has been as usual. A very useful and informative video from you Phil. The question I want to ask is how do I rectify tracks that come up red on my 🎉engine prime 4+ ?
Do you think they will improve stems or we have what they have already
omg.. Effects selection on the screen. Thank you Jeebus
We think many people will like this.
@@digitaldjtips I was doing a mix just last night and was just turning that FX knob endlessly trying to find what i wanted as it is kind of a wierd encoder to navigate around with. SO this screen select is 1000% most welcome. Should have waited a day lol
that was an update in 3.2
@DjMarkyBatch I have a prime go and a prime 4+ and I can confirm 3.2.0 did not make FX selectable on screen. It's a huge welcome for the prime 4+
I would love for the effects list both on the knob and screen to be in alphabetical order.
Denon Should add the Backward Loop funtion from Virtual DJ to the Engine Gear, is really usefull :D
The bac loop function is amazingly useful, I do wonder why others don;t introduce it.
My complaint about tidal is too many radio edits and the beat grids or bpm is sometimes off but this was useful when I was learning to beat match.
Tidal doesn't add the beatgrids, your system dos. Maybe the cloud grids will help with that.
@@digitaldjtips hopefully, I alternate between rekordbox and engine yeah I hope it gets better
I have to play radio edits when I pull a song from tidal. I hate when it only has non clean versions showing up.
@@djerniet350 my friend tells me to just put a cue point at the outro and use it as an intro then put a cue point at the beginning to mix into when the other song ends
i use Denon gear because I don't have to use a laptop. And if you play the track like it was intended; with all the on the fly possible remixing you can do with Denon. You don't have time to worry about stems.
Great! If you don’t need a feature no point worrying about not having it
Updated my SC6000M's already❤
Hope you're having fun!
Would the Wash FX on the x1850 be the same as Fader echo out feature?
Wow engine dj
Does anyone know if you can use the jog wheel by moving it forward and backwards to cue like you would with a 12” vinyl? I’m a old school DJ.
Yes
This only on the Prime 4????
Not seeing some options on the SC6000.
Still no beat jump on mixstream pro go?
This is the future. Club standard blah blah... Pioneer gear feels like using a Pentium PC running windows 98.
Ouch! 🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
Ok, Noel G
Sure does
@@digitaldjtipsit's true if you consider how poor the build quality of the CDJ 3000's is with the plastic spindle supporting the Jog wheels and if that spindle breaks its a $2000 AUD repair
Love the show! Loving my Prime 4+.Will stems be available as well?
It is still very much in beta, let's hope they make some progess on it, but no, not in this release.
a lil question a want ask on denon prime 4 plus,for example a serato user ,using his laptop with the denon prime 4 playing on deck A ,is it possible for a denon user to use deck B to play an other song , at the same time ? does prime have this option ?
Hi what headphones are those ? Also where did you get the coloured ear cups & lead 👍
Pioneer DJ CUE1 they sell different coloured leads & ear pads.
Just to double check - you will be able to save tidal tracks by downloading them, right?
Sweet. When will it drop in the US?
It's live now, we were a little early.
Great video, thanks 😃. Anyone know what the difference is between ‘fuzzy’ & ‘compatible’ key? It doesn’t seem to make a difference to the number of filtered songs. Thanks
Looks like ‘compatible’ is only directly compatible tracks in native key. Fuzzy has more tracks that will work that if key sync is pressed. Is that correct ?
Fuzzy (a Digital DJ Tips invention, by the way) adds in two more keys, the "corners touching" keys on the Camelot Wheel, to widen the keymixing options by 25% for any given track, among other things.
Can the Fader Echo feature not be used on the SC6000? Have updated but don't see it?
If your using the X1850 it would probably just be the Wash FX?
Yeah guess not but not checked.
Does the fader echo only work on Denon mixers n controllers? I updated my sc5000’s and its not giving me the echo option using my DjM A9
Yes it only works on all-in-one Engine DJ units.
Thanks for update. The usual BS no update for the club djs... Sc6000s? X1850? What is going on denon?
can you get stems on a prime 4 or just the plus?
pas de stems pou l'instant que du beta
Djing is getting easier, some people might see it as an improvement others might see it as set back for newes to forget the roots of djing.
We agree. It is important to respect and understand the roots (all our courses - and our book - start with counting, timing and manual beatmixing).
Does the 3.3 also works on the little Numark go unit?
Yes it does.
Still waiting for the Beatport and Beatsource offline locker for the engine dj. Hopefully Denon will add it SOON!
And Tidal, which can now be cached on VDJ.
Ain't gonna happen. Denonon has said since day one off line locker is coming...2yrs ago....still hasn't happened.
We agree, this would make streaming so much more useful.
You should ask Denon DJ about the defect on the right platter for the Denon Prime 2 where it seizes up while playing a track especially on vinyl mode. Clearly a defect they haven't addressed.
Happened to me as well, Send it back to your seller who should send it to Denon for repairs. There may be a charge if your warranty has expired
Nearest repair centre is 350km away. This is a defect if it's happening to several people. Warranty is expired.@@djstuc
I wish the wave forms were in the center vertical. That would be a cool option.
You can have them that way, there is an alternative view available. (At least, there always was - not checked for a while!)
@digitaldjtips I'll have to dig deeper. I've looked for that. Unless I'm overlooking ... those huge horizontal waves are just ridiculous.
Is it still syncing out of range? For instance, if your range value is set to +-8, it would sync tracks thats out of that range.
Not sure
Can we change track key or fix it when tempo is changed?
you can do both
Just curious looking for new info on the stems I sold my prime 4 last year and about to buy the 4 plus but I'm concerned that is it worth the extra bucks if stand alone stems are not coming ....and if it was originally packaged by Denon saying it's coming in 2023 now 2024 .... Should Denon be offering lower prices
I don't personally think Stems is coming in this generation (ie Prime 4/4+). They don't sound good enough.
If you buy Denon, make sure to get the best warranty you can from your retailer because they have terrible quality control. We’ve had to replace three SC6000’s, one SC5000 and one X1800 within a year.
The Prime series also can’t handle all the garbage they’re cramming into the firmware. I had to revert to firmware 2.2 on my 5000’s because every iteration beyond that contains issues.
Sorry to hear you had these issues Bertie!
Doesn't appear to be available yet for download on their website.
You should be working. If you checked after work, you wouldn't have noticed it wasn't live
Phil posted the video too early. Check back this afternoon
@@danielbadideashaver4894🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
It just gotta be a question of time before Denon get the stems just right
is the beatmatch indicator avaliable on sc6000 to ?
Yes, we would guess so
Just updated both sc6000's to 3.3 - the phase meter only works on one of the sc6000 which has lc6000 attached with dual layer - i this right?@@digitaldjtips thanks
Is there anything like the delay T3 in engine?
It has delays/echoes, but no, not exactly the same
Digital DJ Tips...HELP!! I love my Dj Denon Prime 2, but I'm getting increasingly concerned that its being left behind in terms of support. WestendDJ advised me a few months ago the the Prime 2 will be unsupported soon. Am i right in thinking that my controller will not receive this new Engine Prime 3.3 update?? What am I to do?? Re-invest in a Prime 4 controller?? Seriously not happy 😞
Great content btw 🙂
@@djstuc you're right, thanks. I just assumed they would have inside info on the hardware they work with on a daily basis. I would love STEMS to be available on the Prime 2 though ffs
As far as we know, although the Prime 2 is no longer available, it is getting the updates just like all the other units. Stems (acapellas/instrumentals) is only a beta feature on the Prime 4+ at the moment, and honestly, you're not missing much - they don't sound great at this stage.
Much appreciated Phil. @@digitaldjtips i was slightly premature! I was able to update Engine DJ 3.3 on me wonderful Prime 2 last night. Thanks all
I am very disappointed that Mixstream pro didn’t get some new touch fx effects. 😢
Question I am not able to use tidal while I am am logged on to engine I have to log out my profile than go to Tidal and log back in in order to use it is this normal. If so what’s the purpose of login in to the profile on the engine
The idea is you log in to tidal in your Engine profile first via the website
@@digitaldjtips I have tidal set in my phone always searching and adding music to my crates I have created over the years, when I did the upgrade 3.3 I was already logged on but was not able to any longer see my crates on tidal so I had to log out of engine is what Denon 4 advised once that was done I was able o recover tidal but when I tried to log in to engine it advised I would loose all or some of my files thank you for your response
I love all these features for streaming tracks but nothing like having the actual tracks on a drive BUTTON --->
We always say it is not an either/or
Do this controller by any means have to connect to an internet all the time?
No, only if you need streaming content or some as the cloud shared info stuff
@@klausmogensen8691 thx Dj. 👌
Hey Phil, I just tried to update my Prime 4 from the web, but it just 'hanged' for half hour. Luckily I was able to turn it off and back again and 3.2 and the general operation was intact (phew!). Will try again later but useful to know if anyone has had any issues? I have never had any serious issues with uploading the software before (nothing to brick the machine or affect general playing).
Download it on a stick, and then update. More safe.
Maybe just busy servers. If it were me I'd try again today.
Make sure you remove any USB devices plugged into the hardware before trying the upgrade
Is this available for Prime 2?
Yes
The profile features are great but I have a nasty feeling they are going to start using it to paywall features just like Pioneer do, I hope im wrong.
Hmmm we hope not. We do not like the (small sniff of) marketing within Profiles though, marketing should stay out of performance features.
I use the prime 4+ with a laptop and the program vdj for stems. When will stems be realised as I bought the prime 4+ when I could have saved myself some money just getting a prime?
Probably another 4-6 months before we see STEMS from Denonon
👍👍👍👍👍
Will the Denon Prime Go have the ability to change the in and out positions of a loop using the platters/jog wheels?
I do not know the answer to that, but I guess not.
i wish next update,they add color dot for music track it will be easy to color match your music,like traktor do
Good idea!
What's the difference to fuzzy or compatible?????
Fuzzy gives you more matches with no downside (trust us on that!).
the phase meter should be different colours
What about a.i in the desktop software to find fix beat grids on every track new and old..iv lost my beatgrids a cpl of times and drives you nuts 😢surely these are easy tgings for a.i bots to solve
It's already arrived in other DJ software so probably is coming.
What’s the percentage of engine users in comparison to Pioneer? 🙏
much smaller
DOSE ALL THIS WORK ON PRIME 4 AND NOT JUST PRIME 4 PLUS
Yes, all Engine DJ controllers.
I want to know why we still can’t sort streaming playlists
A few people asking this, probably due to limitations in the API of streaming companies.
The controllers today are literally a dj school in your face while you dj, the out of phase feature specifically. Wow, that's insane...
Yeah, good way of putting it!
bpm recommendation when it cannot decide is dnb 90 or 180 :D
Very common in all platforms
I need help with my left performance pad, I won’t work or I can’t turn it on..somebody, anybody help me…. Please
Sounds like a hardware issue unfortunately
Thanks for that reply but what should I do?
@@digitaldjtips left shift seems to have a lock on the button for performance pad, it’s that normal… it feels like a PlayStation 5 controller with the button locked..
Do you realize that the top of your screen is cut off on the video when you're selecting FX ?
Anything can happen in live shows!
What about Stems
No news
Stacked waveforms between two SC6000s has been on the wish-list for so long now, but still.... nothing 😔
This would be good to see, similar to how the CDJs do it.
I’m still kinda butt-hurt the offline locker for beatport isn’t a thing… lol
We'd definitely like to see this added.
I still want stems!!!!
Yup, they're becoming more and more important.
Flanger FX needs to be fixed. Make it more like Mixxx please. Its just so harsh & squeaky on the highs.
we are still wondering why Denon and Native Instruments still are not able to get along to implement Traktor compability to the Prime Hardware. Meanwhile we start to think that Native Instruments has an agreement with Pioneer that doesnt allow NI to make there software compatible with Denon? You know something that we maybe dont what could be the reason? as beside of such thing we cant find any reason why this doesnt happen as this would be a big plus for both companies especially in the unfolded competition situation they are in today.
NI makes its own DJ hardware, so apart from compatibility with "club standarD" CDJs, is not motivated to make TP compatible with other brands. Plus practically, TP's jogwheels are almost impossible to map.
@@digitaldjtips we do installations in around 12 clubs and we should already change "club standard" to "Most used" in best case. The times where other DJs come and all expect an Pioneer Set are already over. Nowadays many have their own request. and not more then 50% are Pioneer. Or they already bring their own gear. We see Prime4 often. SC500/SC6000 in opposite nobody uses. And part of the problem is that the CDJ3000 has several problems and bugs. Experienced Touring DJs who come to town even prefer a Nexus2 Set meanwhile over the CDJ3000. Since Pioneer was sold to that investor group many things have changed. everybody can analyse for himself if to the good or to the bad side...
I updated to 3.3.0 and I don’t have stems
It's only in the beta version on Prime 4+
@@digitaldjtips where can I get that version stems is the whole reason I upgraded to a prime plus
I never received a rock the dance floor book... I am a subscriber is there a step I'm missing.. FYI don't be cruel I'm an old dj from the 90's who actually tried to get back in the game 10yrs ago but was scared away by all the digital advancements... so to make a long story short... I'm not computer savvy...
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manual beatmatching for vinyl😂
Anyone having issues with this update?
What trouble are you having?
left hand deck stops working, only way out is a reboot of console, then might work for 10-mins or so then left hand deck not working again, had 2 nights working just on the right hand deck, might work for an hour or ten mins, reset tried updated via usb (previous update via wi-fi) still having issues, currently rolled back to previous version, so far been fine testing at home, next gig is thursday, hopeful I can sort out before then @@digitaldjtips
If Denon really want to compete with Rekordbox / Serato, then they need to make Engine DJ PC/Mac OS based. Maybe even make a full fledge iPad OS version that works exactly the same and the stand alone software that is midi compatible with all controllers
It would be great to see this, but would take a lot of R&D and they would be entering an already crowded market. But they do have three big brands (Numark, Rane, Denon DJ) - so who knows?
All very impressive but you still can’t do something as basic as rating a song on the P4 it’s self.
Instead you have to take a note and add the 1 -2 or 5 star review once you get home
This 100% .. would make life so much easier and surely easy to do!
Can you finally search in a particular folder instead of all search!!🤦🏾♂️
Do not know the answer to that!
Folder, or playlist? The fact that you chose the term "folder" makes me feel like you're just dumping your music onto a USB and not using Engine DJ to sync your music. If so, you're making your life unnecessarily difficult.
@@danielbadideashaver4894 sorry I meant to say playlist not folder
@@danielbadideashaver4894 in all dj software you can search inside the playlist and not just your entire library.
I can't believe I've had my Prime 4+ for 3 months now with the excitement of having on board stems and still not a word about a proper release. All these upgrades are great and all, but where the hell are the Stems that were promised for this unit??? Any word from Denon? I know they needed work, but come on already! Makes me a but nervous that they will never be on par with Serato and VDJ, which would be a bit disappointing.
Stems are in beta. Technically it does have stems, but it'll be a while til it's fully ready. These things take much longer than 3 months my friend
@@TradingTheta89 then to be honest, They should have waited on 4 plus. That was the main feature upgrade. It should have been available upon release in my opinion. At least a very basic beta version that can separate vocals and instruments. I understand it's complicated to do this on a standalone unit. I'm patient, as Denon has been a rock solid company in supporting DJs with their software upgrades and rock solid hardware. However, I feel a bit slighted that I paid to upgrade to the 4 plus and there isn't as much as a peep as far as the development of stems on the standalone unit. I'm willing to give it time, but just give me an update or a beta that I can work with. Otherwise I would have rather just stuck with my Prime 4.
@@djstuc I tested their public beta. It was utter crap. Bleeds and artifacts that weren't even usable in any of my sets. I don't think it's anything the public needs to tell them that they don't already know. Haven't heard a peep on the developers end as far as any progress. I'm more concerned about that than the silence on the beta testers side. We didn't buy these units to become beta testers by the way. This was a feature that should have been much further along before they put the 4 + on the market, which is basically a Prime 4 with a darker appearance without the stem separation.
@@Zsklar dude, take a chill pill and wait till it's fully ready and working properly. Half baked releases are useless and in nobodies interest.
@@DutchFreeman What are you talking about I am chill. I'm just wondering where the development is for a feature that was promised on the unit. 3 months in is a fairly decent amount of time to not even have an updated beta. I can get stems other ways I'm fine. I just want it on my standalone unit which was promised. I'm not wrong in saying they should have waited on the release of the Prime 4 plus until stem separation was further along than it currently is.
All but dynamic beat grid adjusts is more important than any of this
This is already supported in Engine DJ
Track Match doesn't take consideration in the ability to change de current key of a song. ...
As long as you are happy for the key of the song to change at most 2 semitones, then Key Sync will do that for you (it uses fuzzy keymixing, meaning it never moves the key more than 2 semitones). Thus you can leave key switched off entirely in Match and just use the Key Sync button on whatever you choose using the other criteria of Match.
denon are stupid for not having the engine software as dj software for laptops etc. would love to use a pair of lc6000s with laptop and an engine dj software.
Not sure "stupid" is the word... 🤣
I would have give up all of the new updates, its pointless....nobody use it, instead i will work on more stability for the os, i would stay with beat/key matching like in vdj, i would keep the stems option, effects, and thats it, all other options are useless, its pointless to put tons of features in an os but it lacks reliability and stability, u buy a not cheap controller just to find out that it got alot of features but it will crash inbthe middle of a gig because the os is not stable so whats the point?
I am sure they work on stability etc too, but yeah, it does have lots of "take it or leave it" features.
Cloud services and playing streamed music....IT'S A TRAP!
Don't do it them.
@@digitaldjtips I don't use it. Just telling others too...info sharing
Pioneer DJM A9 And CDJ 3000 The only serious equipment, the rest is all children's bedroom fluff .........
Rubbish and you know it! 🤣
Still no stems terrible
It's a standalone! It is not so easy to do on such gear. But we agree, stems are becoming more important.
dj hardware and a profile, NO just NO!!!
Why not?
@@digitaldjtips an open space for monetisation and data collection