Joyner Lucas speaks 100 truth and real. Yes he said f*ck god. And also god help me at his weakest. Many people have major demons inside them n kill themselves. Where the f*ck was god then? Nice you talking about this video but Joyner Lucas has a bigger voice then you. He speaks how it is. You speak what a book taught you to believe!!
I agree with both but from a person who doesn't blame music for a person action, I just heard and watch his video for the first time then watched your video right after ,and the pastor said he thought he was possibly giving people the idea that suicide is a option and I never will or would but during this time that video and song made me think about ,so what I'm getting at is the dad is old and wise and he knows life test you but this response was to me from god cause I felt what he thought but that's also because iam in a funk but to the son I also agree with a lot you said ,anyways thank for the time you to make this video you guys response was with in 2 minutes of me hearing this song and I 2as in a bad place for just a few minutes before you guys let me know god was there always thank you
how are the both of u doing today? it’s been a year, are u okay? I hope that ur depression has gone away & that u are better now... truly hope that all is well🧸
Word says in the Bible I don't remember what part but the guy fell on a sword and God's I'll still allowed him and his family in heaven cuz he didn't want to go to war and kill people there's a section of the rules sometime you know everybody at the some people believe you're not going to heaven if you take your own life but I think it depends on the circumstances in the person and the way they lived in the way they feel and what's in their heart
Glad you corrected him when he said it's an advert for suicide. The whole video is to bring awareness to suicide and depression. And the fact we are talking about it......mission accomplished
To anybody who might get something positive from this: 99% of people who jump from bridges or buildings and survive, all say the same thing, "Once my feet left the ledge and i realized it was too late i immediately regretted it." and i can say from experience, about 3 years ago, i was in a bad place and i slit my wrist.. I lost alot of blood and almost died. But the point is as soon as that blade hit my arm and i saw the blood start pouring out of my arm. I immediately started praying that id survive. And i think of that moment now whenever im feeling suicidal. I actually had a disaster of a day today.. And got those old familiar feelings, but trust me, theres ALWAYS tomorrow. Everything can change in the blink of an eye. Trust me.
This song literally saved my life bc it showed me how someone else would feel about me gone and that hurt. I wouldn’t let someone else go through that. Because of me.
About the pen thing, I heard that someone said god gave him three chances. The belt slipped, chance 1. The pen ran out, chance 2. And then he had one last chance by not pulling the trigger, but he did it and that was the last chance which he wasn't saved from.
Nonsense. People are stupid. This is how delusional religious people can get. They can see 3 clear signs of god interjecting when dude is an actor and got up after the director yelled 'cut'. Nobody died. The director was trying to make a compelling video. We can't give him the credit. All the praise now goes to God who I'm sure the fanatics will say put the ideas in his head for the vid🙄😒
Iron Masc omg I am aware, I‘m not even religious. But they are and soneone said that the director wanted to imply these 3 chances, so I decided to share that rather heartwarming thought to someone who *is* religious.
Last thing my dad said to me was I enjoyed our time thanks for making things more pleasant then 4 days later took the 40 cal to his head never got to say love you back or goodbye he’s been gone since 2016 I still hate myself for not being there so give your dad a hug and tell him that you love him because life is crazy it might be the last time why couldn’t god give me another chance
If you haven’t lived in that mindset of being suicidal I don’t think someone can say if it’s selfish or not, you don’t know the pain we go through, you don’t know how our brain works or how we feel, I think a lot of people would switch their mindset if they knew how it felt and how worthless you feel and painful it is to wake up in the morning
i love the conversation being had. the ability to have that back and forth, to see things differently and actually be able to discuss it and find middle ground is just wonderful.
In my opinion, as someone going through a similar situation, the pen running out of ink is a representation of how much we want to say but can't put into words. It also symbolizes the end of the letter, thus the end of his life (a double being that joyner is rapping, his pen is his livelihood, even though he isn't the one committing suicide)
He is actually portraying his cousin who’s name is “Brodie”. Brodie took his own life and the line “tell my family it’s okay” was actually in his suicide letter.
I don't think anyone will truly understand the internal battle we have with ourselves, this song is so powerful, I feel like this song represents the voice in my head and the constant contemplation of suicide and refusing to look at the good things in life that are in front of me because there's something inside holding me back. Truly Truly powerful! I break down every time I hear this song 😢
My brother in law killed himself and my dad said he was selfish. That was pretty much the end of his and my sisters relationship and she never forgave him and he never corrected what he said. He died that way. Wish they could’ve had a talk like this where they at least tried to understand each other
Ive never felt like "the world would be better without me" but ive felt like id be better without the world, and ive felt like the people i love would value me more if they didnt have another chance to. All ive ever wanted was to be valuable, to love and be loved like it was all fixing to end, because you never know.
U guys are hilarious. It's as if you believe you watched CCTV footage of the guy actually killing himself. You know he's an actor and didn't really die right? The belt slipping....the pen not working....this wasnt god but the thoughts of the director trying to make a compelling video. I guess your now gonna say that God put the idea in the directors head right?😂😂
@@ironmasc5791 dude shut up obviously the detector has hidden meanings in the video, were just trying to figure out what the hidden meanings are. Literally no one thinks this is real its its obviously just a video to go with the song, I know it's hard to believe but you're not the smartest person in the world were not stupid
Whe. You're contemplating suicide, "selfish " is the last word I'd use to describe it bc you truly believe in your mind and heart that everyone is going to better without you.
In regards to the “selfish” argument, having been suicidal I always felt like it was selfish of people to tell me that I had to stay alive just so that they wouldn’t be sad. Their selfishness couldn’t look passed their own feelings and attempt to like at why I feel the way I do.
It's hard to help people through things that you haven't experienced yourself. Don't look at them as selfish, look at them as scared for you and not knowing what to do. Pretty much the same concept of suicide. Let's stop demonizing each other
I was like that when i was in high school because i had lost my best friend the only person who understood me n actually cared what i said was my grandmother my dads mother she passed away in 2014 Easter morning, i still grive to this day from losing her i got her name on my arm in angle wings with a halo. When i lost her i lost everything so i ended up trying to end my life 5 times cause i had nobody else
if someone is suicidal, they have already had the thoughts. A music video isn't going to create new thoughts. They are already there. This gives them a connection to their feelings - in the beginning of the video. The second part gives them the perspective of the results if they ever went through with it.
I think that with the part where Joyner finds his friend dead its showing that because he's in the room its like people saying they're there for you but really they never see the truth. I loved your opinion on it though!
I think the nuance whether selfish is the right way to describe suicide is if you’re talking about the action itself or it’s intent. Someone mentally ill enough to end their life isn’t going to have the perspective that they’re being selfish. With the line “I can’t believe you think the world is better off without you” that really is the way a lot of suicidal people rationalize with themselves when they end up attempting to kill themselves.
I'm glad that this shows how people who haven't been in this position, don't understand what helps and what doesn't. They unintentionally make things worse. I love how open-minded this pastor is, in his ability to let things be explained to him by someone who has been there, instead of telling you what to change.
Your idea of the intervention for making the pen run out was an excellent observation. I never caught that... I saw you crack a smile when the pen ran out and you explained why and it makes perfect sense.
Fantastic video getting two different points. I would agree with dad and the son would put in his input and it changed my way of thinking. This is great.
Great video reactions! So ,glad you shared your experience with us! Your honesty about feeling suicidal is going to help so many people! I just liked and Sunscribed! Keep up the Great work!
17:42 "They would see true reality" I think so too. There is a quote "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." (1 Corinthians 13:12)
Pastor they can't see any other way out , I'm Catholic and I know they say it's a sin to take ur own, but I believe my God would never consider that a sin God is good 🙏🙏🙏
This song as well as the book tigers blood saved me. Pain doesn’t stop when you quit, it just transfers. And I couldn’t put my little brothers through that.
At some point in your life if you become as close to your relatives as possible, you consider each other siblings regardless of whether you're cousins or not.
I think God didn't jam or stop the gun because he wanted it to be the guy's choice to live. The belt slipping and the pen running out of ink was God asking "are you sure this is what you want?"
@@KykyDJenkins I think more so, after so many attempts, there's no chance that they haven't decided to choose death at that point. What else could God do, but to let them continue in their suffering. It's impertinent, I think, to remember that our LORD Jesus Christ, the almighty, the One and ONLY Judge. And whomever He chooses to save, or to take, it is the correct time for such. For he is the only one who knows all of the heart, and of the mind, and of the spirit. Depression is a disease, which I have, I might add, abbreviated SAD, that causes a person to have uncontrollable horribly negative thoughts of oneself. And God judges the hearts of man, of all their motives, and desires. Pause and wonder about the thought of just how difficult it would be to take ones own life. In my conclusion, where with depression's effect on ones brain, being a physical malformity, changing how a person believes, and/or behaves(Think Altzimer's Disease, Dementia etc.,) I do not believe that any souls are condemned by God for the act of suicide alone. Strong faith, love, and compassion Is needed, for so that is pertaining to the matter, to reinforce that God is patient long-suffering, merciful, and lovingly perfect, so that you should not worry where your loved ones have gone, Nobody that could have turned and repented will die, and the same goes vice versa. And when in doubt, seek it out. Romans 2:3-4: And thinks thou this, O man…that you shall escape the judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?” Genesis 18:16-33 New International Version 22 The men(N) turned away and went toward Sodom,(O) but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[b](P) 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?(Q) 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[c] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it?(R) 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing(S)-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous(T) and the wicked alike.(U) Far be it from you! Will not the Judge(V) of all the earth do right?”(W) 26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.(X)” 27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes,(Y) 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?” “If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.” 29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?” He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.” 30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry,(Z) but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?” He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?” He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.” 32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more.(AA) What if only ten can be found there?” He answered, “For the sake of ten,(AB) I will not destroy it.” 33 When the Lord had finished speaking(AC) with Abraham, he left,(AD) and Abraham returned home.(AE) Matthew 18:10-14 New International Version The Parable of the Wandering Sheep(A) 10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels(B) in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. [11] [a] 12 “What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.
He can as He Is The Creator and has full Dominion. God is not a mortal that’s finite. God can stop every bullet but He also respects our free will and we will each receive judgement for how we lived in this life.
@KykyDJenkins God gave him a chance as it gives many suicidal people, as someone who almost killed myself twice it's pretty sad. Very hard song to get through. Suicidal people almost always have "warning shots" from God
I balled like a baby when I first seen this video. I've never had serious thoughts of suicide, or anything like this. Teenage angst is as far as I've ever gotten, but I think we've all had friends to end it. It happened x2 when I was in the military. 1 in Afghanistan and the other was suicide by cop in Ft. Hood. Dustin Cole was a troubled person, but he was deeply loyal, fearless, and someone who you wanted to on your side. I had no idea how to react when it happened. I grew up, desperately poor. No lights, water, or food. I'm only 32 btw, but its the hand my family was dealt. It was so painful and confusing when he did what he did. Evil. He killed a police officer, and I feel bad for feeling bad for Cole. PTSD is a real thing that I never believed in until I came back. Just venting in public, sorry.
It's sad when people feel the need to try try again to end themselves. No matter how bad life is, people have it worse somewhere, and people love you whether it seems like it or not. Much love. Stay safe. How many people ended there lives before the glory. They thought the race was over when it just started.
You're both very well spoken with great perspectives that are very different. I greatly appreciate you guys doing this video. You just gained a new subscriber
I know you're bad has a different perspective on what going on but thank God for him because my dad wouldn't even entertain or take the time out to even try to understand these kind of stuff. So respect to him bro!
It's like they say, "I'm alive". Even if the day goes to shit, you're still breathing at the end, at least you're alive, thank God for that. You didn't kill yourself, you weren't killed, you made it. You still have your LIFE to live to see your loved ones.
This is the very first song I ever heard from Joyner Lucas ..I love the review because.. I look for people that find the songs that I listen to & feel the same exact way I do about them..however a person that's been dealing with depression 4 that turns suicidal I'm speaking from experience and the fact that I tried twice.. So being saved is the last thing I thought about.. and I also have two uncles that have their churches in alabama Reginald Calvert and Jerome Calvert
So many forget that we are God's special creation for he imbued us with free will. The ugly side of such a gift is the capacity to do harm. Not just to ourselves but others.
Just found out a close friend of mine from middle school took her own life. We played volleyball and soccer together and she was a grade under me, she had only started highschool. She had her whole life ahead of her, and she was an amazing soul, you'd never think she'd do something like that. I feel guilty for not talking to her more.
I know this is a SUPER late comment, but I hope u see this! Some people do perceive it as inviting. I have witnessed it! Awesome reaction. You both did an amazing job.
Why would God create this crazy life knowing that people can't take this life that gives no answer to our questions. Then God has the audacity to send people to hell...
Bo Majesty I don’t believe in god. He creates this horrible world we live in for no point. He has a kingdom of peace and happiness and then puts us on this prison for eighty years just so we can get in. With all of these things that MAKE people behave badly
@@caseysparks6297 So you mean to tell me that I can be saved by the blood of Jesus and slip up and commit a sin, die in the same moment and go straight to hell?
As a suicidal person with a depressive disorder, as well as someone who has had a loved one commit suicide, I used to be quite bothered by people calling it selfish. Ultimately, selfishness isn't a bad thing. I think it often gets confused with self-centeredness. But, I came to the realization that the reason it bothered me was, not because it wasn't selfish or that your thoughts aren't in the mindset of "me", but because the otherside of the arguement is just as selfish. And that's okay. The problem is that no one talks about that. The other side wants someone who has no desire of living to live. And, yes some people do say that it's because that person is taken away from the world and can't play their part. But, deep down it's because someone they love is taken from them. Whether they admit it or not, it is a selfish view. Just as much as the person committing suicide because they're tired or overwhelmed or feel like they got nothing left is selfish. It's very important to remember that both sides are on equal ground in this area. Ultimately, the only person that is selfless is the one who gives in and lets go of their desire. And, if we continue with only admitting the selfishness of one side and not the other, that side will ultimately just be hurt. They'll feel even more misunderstood and isolated, when they already can't be understood. And, then we definitely can't help them. Because everything is just stacked against them, there's no middle ground.
The inspiration behind this song was Joyners cousin "Brodi" who took his own life. The line "Just make sure you tell my family: It's ok, I'm sorry" is rumored to be picked straight out of Brodi's suicide note
I like how he stopped him to help his dad understand what really goes on inside the mind. Dad is listening, good. Wish he could help many clueless parents understand to, they just don't get it.
Just now finding all these and this channel. Maybe I haven't seen the video if this was already explained but I almost feel like you made these videos to show him how you feel, without saying this is how I feel directly. Like its easier to hear when talking about the song lyrics and what they mean, as well as you introducing another view other than your dads in a way that doesn't out his defense up as much but be more open to hear anothers side
Almost all suicide attempt survivors said the regretted it as soon as they took that step to end their life there is a video about a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge in a suicide attempt he was one of very few who survived that jump and in his video he said the second he left the railing he regretted it.
Wow. This is my first time seeing this channel but you guys are entertaining. I sense some underlying tension between the two of you. Like your son grew up hearing you push your opinions on to others, so now he's made it his mission in life to show you that there are multiple perspectives to consider.
there's no way it isn't selfish. I'm suicidal and to actually do it would be the ultimate selfish act, unless you had no family or friends. You have to bear your pain and deal with it or else you'll just be passing it off to someone else.
I just want to comment about how it's perceived as selfish to take your own life. From the perspective of someone who is suicidal, it could be argued that it's selfish for others to want them to not end the pain and stay around for other people's sake.
You bring up the part about god intervening and why didn’t he make the gun jam instead of the pen running out of ink. god intervened twice, once when the belt broke and then the pen running out. Just wanted to put that out there.
The way I would word your statement at14:20 is "The people saying it's selfish are selfish themselves they may mourn but they do it with the support of those around them mourning also. To be in a state of suicidal thought your whole life is mourning by your self alone without support even if the support is present." also it's irrelevant trying to put logic to suicide in a mind that has true suicidal tendencies rational thought based on living is not present.
First person iv ever heard that has said he thinks god may let you in heaven even if u committed suicide. Iv wondered it so many time and have asked and they would say no your going to hell and I just feel God would really know us if we were good or bad and would judge us on that.. he made me tear up a lil bi
Great reaction and review. I don’t think that it’s selfish and would say that this is the wiring descriptive to use in defining and understanding why someone would resort to this. Suicide is a way for those who are in pain to end their pain. There is a cause and effect in this dynamic. Many who say it’s selfish are displaying a lack of understanding and empathy towards the person that is in pain. The reason why they feel it’s selfish is because they are, ironically, focused on how it will affect them personally which in turn could be argued as self serving aka selfish. In some of these cases, the ones labeling the person in pain as selfish is the one who is causing the pain to said person! What people like this have to comprehend is that, again, this is seen as a way to end the pain and lack of hope. It takes a lot to get to this point as it’s a permanent solution to a, likely, temporary problem. There’s no sense of selfishness in that as opposed to it being an extreme remedy. Hopefully this clears some smoke and makes sense. God bless and peace.
Suicide is only selfish in one aspect. That is because in your own mind you may feel like (Noone cares) about you and that you are completely alone so you go and take your own life but in result it could hurt family or friends that do actually care without the knowledge of you thinking of that, so basically its selfish because you are putting them through pain and hurt for the rest of their lives they live, especially having to walk in and see you dead just because your feelings. I understand suicide thou my brother killed himself and I understand the pain he went through so im not shaming anyone but its kind of a lose lose situation for people that are suicidal because its either you live through it and stay unhappy or you kill yourself and hurt others. At the end of it all though suicide is a permanent decision to a temporary problem and I hope everyone that is in that place gets to feeling better and fights through it.
4:50 I watched the original video before during a time when I was thinking about killing myself. It really made me think. It did not give me ideas of how to kill myself but it did help me think of what others would go through if I did it.
Suicide is selfish... But so is eating and breathing. Imagine the feeling of hunger and or being out of breath. Would you search for air and sustenance. Yes you would. Imagine that and then start to try and convince someone not to. Most can't but some can. I can't but I wish I could so that maybe one life can be saved by perspective. It is one of the powerful tools we have and it isn't utilized enough.
as a a pastor he knows that the bible states that if a human commits suicide that he goes to hell and is refused heaven , and then belittles this mans pain of being suicidal since the age of 9 , , this paStor is a liar and an uncaring idiot AND A V V V V V V V SELFISH FATHER i love yor son he is awesome stay strong brother xxx people love you you seem greatr bro xx
fuck this pastor , when the suicidal man said where is god he ment why is god letting a good man be driven to suicide when god is ment to be saving people , and as a pastor and as a dad he should know his son and hug him but he judges him , YOUR SON JUST SCREAMED AT YOU THAT HE IS SUICIDAL AND YOU IGNORE IT ,,,, FUCK YOU DUDE AND THIS WILL BE YOUR SON UNLESS YOU BE A DD INSTEAD OF A FALSE PASTOR!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I remember you saying you are an atheist or not a Christian. I don't consider myself as having a religion myself and I respect people of all believes. (obviously I'm referring to the son)
U guys stopped the video too early - there is a stat and a phone number at the end: 1 person commits suicide every 16.2 minutes and a suicide hotline # to call.
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Joyner Lucas speaks 100 truth and real. Yes he said f*ck god. And also god help me at his weakest. Many people have major demons inside them n kill themselves. Where the f*ck was god then?
Nice you talking about this video but Joyner Lucas has a bigger voice then you. He speaks how it is. You speak what a book taught you to believe!!
I agree with both but from a person who doesn't blame music for a person action, I just heard and watch his video for the first time then watched your video right after ,and the pastor said he thought he was possibly giving people the idea that suicide is a option and I never will or would but during this time that video and song made me think about ,so what I'm getting at is the dad is old and wise and he knows life test you but this response was to me from god cause I felt what he thought but that's also because iam in a funk but to the son I also agree with a lot you said ,anyways thank for the time you to make this video you guys response was with in 2 minutes of me hearing this song and I 2as in a bad place for just a few minutes before you guys let me know god was there always thank you
how are the both of u doing today? it’s been a year, are u okay? I hope that ur depression has gone away & that u are better now... truly hope that all is well🧸
@@CERTIFIEDLVRGRL I hope you are having an amazing day and hope you are doing well❤️ your kindness is infectious
Word says in the Bible I don't remember what part but the guy fell on a sword and God's I'll still allowed him and his family in heaven cuz he didn't want to go to war and kill people there's a section of the rules sometime you know everybody at the some people believe you're not going to heaven if you take your own life but I think it depends on the circumstances in the person and the way they lived in the way they feel and what's in their heart
Glad you corrected him when he said it's an advert for suicide. The whole video is to bring awareness to suicide and depression. And the fact we are talking about it......mission accomplished
the second part is actually telling that suicide is a selfish decision
Younes Benchoubane it depends on how u look at it i guess u could say.
@@younes4229 no not that it’s selfish but that it might affect others and it forces people to confront how they will make others feel.
Yup, 100% agree with you and him
It's not what he said. He meant that the portrayal of suicide might increase the risk I'm of someone actually being more inspired to
To anybody who might get something positive from this: 99% of people who jump from bridges or buildings and survive, all say the same thing, "Once my feet left the ledge and i realized it was too late i immediately regretted it." and i can say from experience, about 3 years ago, i was in a bad place and i slit my wrist.. I lost alot of blood and almost died. But the point is as soon as that blade hit my arm and i saw the blood start pouring out of my arm. I immediately started praying that id survive. And i think of that moment now whenever im feeling suicidal. I actually had a disaster of a day today.. And got those old familiar feelings, but trust me, theres ALWAYS tomorrow. Everything can change in the blink of an eye. Trust me.
That’s nice 😊
God bless you, man
May God bless you
Good points bro
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This song literally saved my life bc it showed me how someone else would feel about me gone and that hurt. I wouldn’t let someone else go through that. Because of me.
Yeah it helps me to also think that if I take that way I will pass all of my pain to the people that love me
Same here
Love you both 🙏🏽
how are you feeling now? i hope you are happy
Damn same here
About the pen thing, I heard that someone said god gave him three chances. The belt slipped, chance 1. The pen ran out, chance 2. And then he had one last chance by not pulling the trigger, but he did it and that was the last chance which he wasn't saved from.
Nonsense. People are stupid. This is how delusional religious people can get. They can see 3 clear signs of god interjecting when dude is an actor and got up after the director yelled 'cut'. Nobody died. The director was trying to make a compelling video. We can't give him the credit. All the praise now goes to God who I'm sure the fanatics will say put the ideas in his head for the vid🙄😒
A human like you and me wouldn’t understand that at the moment.
Iron Masc omg I am aware, I‘m not even religious. But they are and soneone said that the director wanted to imply these 3 chances, so I decided to share that rather heartwarming thought to someone who *is* religious.
Iron Masc are u being serious lol wtf obviously nobody thinks thats a real thing that happened hes saying a theory for what the story in the video was
@@AidanTheArcher since yr speaking for everyone explain the comment two above yours👍🏾
Last thing my dad said to me was I enjoyed our time thanks for making things more pleasant then 4 days later took the 40 cal to his head never got to say love you back or goodbye he’s been gone since 2016 I still hate myself for not being there so give your dad a hug and tell him that you love him because life is crazy it might be the last time why couldn’t god give me another chance
Damn I'm sorry for your lost
Nathan Zieminski I don’t know you but I love you brother. Thanks for sharing. Praying for you and your loved ones.
I love you man. I hope the weight is lifting off your shoulders. Please take care.
Nathan Zieminski I’m sorry for your lost and not trying to be disrespectful but a 50 cal?
Nathan Zieminski sorry my guy.. don’t stress it, I’m sure he loved you and you both knew it. Everything happens for a reason:)
If you haven’t lived in that mindset of being suicidal I don’t think someone can say if it’s selfish or not, you don’t know the pain we go through, you don’t know how our brain works or how we feel, I think a lot of people would switch their mindset if they knew how it felt and how worthless you feel and painful it is to wake up in the morning
i love the conversation being had. the ability to have that back and forth, to see things differently and actually be able to discuss it and find middle ground is just wonderful.
It reminds me of my brother especially 2nd verse...RIP ALPZ MISSYA BRO
In my opinion, as someone going through a similar situation, the pen running out of ink is a representation of how much we want to say but can't put into words. It also symbolizes the end of the letter, thus the end of his life (a double being that joyner is rapping, his pen is his livelihood, even though he isn't the one committing suicide)
I think you're right.
If memory serves right joyner wrote this for his cousin who actually committed suicide
in the second part of the video by the casket, I actually felt the emotions of the words. It brought tears to my eyes.
@@DSchae2165 ha gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
@@bumblebee7547 fellas, is it gay to feel emotions?
@@entropy8634 in the comment section on youtube yea
@@yeshua7180 so being a fraud for CZcams is the move, huh?🙄 you're weak.
Remember Joyner is a storyteller, this is story told by those who are left behind and the person who took his life
He is actually portraying his cousin who’s name is “Brodie”. Brodie took his own life and the line “tell my family it’s okay” was actually in his suicide letter.
I don't think anyone will truly understand the internal battle we have with ourselves, this song is so powerful, I feel like this song represents the voice in my head and the constant contemplation of suicide and refusing to look at the good things in life that are in front of me because there's something inside holding me back. Truly Truly powerful! I break down every time I hear this song 😢
My brother in law killed himself and my dad said he was selfish. That was pretty much the end of his and my sisters relationship and she never forgave him and he never corrected what he said. He died that way. Wish they could’ve had a talk like this where they at least tried to understand each other
Ive never felt like "the world would be better without me" but ive felt like id be better without the world, and ive felt like the people i love would value me more if they didnt have another chance to. All ive ever wanted was to be valuable, to love and be loved like it was all fixing to end, because you never know.
@7:47 Pastor is right! not only did the pen not write, but the first attempt the belt broke also. He had 2 ways out first.
if god really didn't want him dead the gun would've malfunctioned.
god gave him 3 chances
The belt slipping should resemble God i believe.
@@ray-ts4he I think it resembles the dude killing himself
@@griffinewine615 🤣
@@ray-ts4he it's a joke tho my dude
U guys are hilarious. It's as if you believe you watched CCTV footage of the guy actually killing himself. You know he's an actor and didn't really die right? The belt slipping....the pen not working....this wasnt god but the thoughts of the director trying to make a compelling video. I guess your now gonna say that God put the idea in the directors head right?😂😂
@@ironmasc5791 dude shut up obviously the detector has hidden meanings in the video, were just trying to figure out what the hidden meanings are. Literally no one thinks this is real its its obviously just a video to go with the song, I know it's hard to believe but you're not the smartest person in the world were not stupid
Whe. You're contemplating suicide, "selfish " is the last word I'd use to describe it bc you truly believe in your mind and heart that everyone is going to better without you.
In regards to the “selfish” argument, having been suicidal I always felt like it was selfish of people to tell me that I had to stay alive just so that they wouldn’t be sad. Their selfishness couldn’t look passed their own feelings and attempt to like at why I feel the way I do.
It's hard to help people through things that you haven't experienced yourself. Don't look at them as selfish, look at them as scared for you and not knowing what to do. Pretty much the same concept of suicide. Let's stop demonizing each other
I was like that when i was in high school because i had lost my best friend the only person who understood me n actually cared what i said was my grandmother my dads mother she passed away in 2014 Easter morning, i still grive to this day from losing her i got her name on my arm in angle wings with a halo. When i lost her i lost everything so i ended up trying to end my life 5 times cause i had nobody else
Just found this song today then clicked on you guys...this is how I felt since a lil younger then what he says on his song
if someone is suicidal, they have already had the thoughts. A music video isn't going to create new thoughts. They are already there. This gives them a connection to their feelings - in the beginning of the video. The second part gives them the perspective of the results if they ever went through with it.
I think that with the part where Joyner finds his friend dead its showing that because he's in the room its like people saying they're there for you but really they never see the truth. I loved your opinion on it though!
I think the nuance whether selfish is the right way to describe suicide is if you’re talking about the action itself or it’s intent. Someone mentally ill enough to end their life isn’t going to have the perspective that they’re being selfish. With the line “I can’t believe you think the world is better off without you” that really is the way a lot of suicidal people rationalize with themselves when they end up attempting to kill themselves.
U guys have good chemistry with the way u interact with ur different point of views.
I'm glad that this shows how people who haven't been in this position, don't understand what helps and what doesn't. They unintentionally make things worse. I love how open-minded this pastor is, in his ability to let things be explained to him by someone who has been there, instead of telling you what to change.
Your idea of the intervention for making the pen run out was an excellent observation. I never caught that... I saw you crack a smile when the pen ran out and you explained why and it makes perfect sense.
Fantastic video getting two different points. I would agree with dad and the son would put in his input and it changed my way of thinking. This is great.
Great video reactions! So ,glad you shared your experience with us! Your honesty about feeling suicidal is going to help so many people! I just liked and Sunscribed! Keep up the Great work!
17:42 "They would see true reality" I think so too. There is a quote "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." (1 Corinthians 13:12)
That is an awesome pastor! I’d love to attend a service!
Same
Okay I actually fucking love how much you guys learn off each other…. Pls teach American congressman 😂😂
Pastor they can't see any other way out , I'm Catholic and I know they say it's a sin to take ur own, but I believe my God would never consider that a sin God is good 🙏🙏🙏
i enjoyed the conversation and trying to understand both view points. you guys were very respectful and understanding. i enjoyed watching! thank you
This song as well as the book tigers blood saved me. Pain doesn’t stop when you quit, it just transfers. And I couldn’t put my little brothers through that.
Btw this is about his brother
Timingruby it’s still family don’t be so mean
It's his cousin
uh no.
Timingruby i see my 2 cousins as brothers because i grew up with them ... I do not have blood brothers
At some point in your life if you become as close to your relatives as possible, you consider each other siblings regardless of whether you're cousins or not.
I think God didn't jam or stop the gun because he wanted it to be the guy's choice to live. The belt slipping and the pen running out of ink was God asking "are you sure this is what you want?"
Right. God respects each of our free wills that He has given us.
Im surprised you didnt catch what happened when he said where the fk is god. He failed at hanging himself, that was god right there.
Accurate unfortunately he ended up shooting himself.
@@chanteljohnson8934 God can't save us from every bullet we take.
@@KykyDJenkins I think more so, after so many attempts, there's no chance that they haven't decided to choose death at that point. What else could God do, but to let them continue in their suffering. It's impertinent, I think, to remember that our LORD Jesus Christ, the almighty, the One and ONLY Judge. And whomever He chooses to save, or to take, it is the correct time for such. For he is the only one who knows all of the heart, and of the mind, and of the spirit. Depression is a disease, which I have, I might add, abbreviated SAD, that causes a person to have uncontrollable horribly negative thoughts of oneself. And God judges the hearts of man, of all their motives, and desires. Pause and wonder about the thought of just how difficult it would be to take ones own life. In my conclusion, where with depression's effect on ones brain, being a physical malformity, changing how a person believes, and/or behaves(Think Altzimer's Disease, Dementia etc.,) I do not believe that any souls are condemned by God for the act of suicide alone. Strong faith, love, and compassion Is needed, for so that is pertaining to the matter, to reinforce that God is patient long-suffering, merciful, and lovingly perfect, so that you should not worry where your loved ones have gone, Nobody that could have turned and repented will die, and the same goes vice versa. And when in doubt, seek it out.
Romans 2:3-4:
And thinks thou this, O man…that you shall escape the judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?”
Genesis 18:16-33
New International Version
22 The men(N) turned away and went toward Sodom,(O) but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[b](P) 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?(Q) 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[c] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it?(R) 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing(S)-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous(T) and the wicked alike.(U) Far be it from you! Will not the Judge(V) of all the earth do right?”(W)
26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.(X)”
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes,(Y) 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?”
“If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”
29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?”
He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.”
30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry,(Z) but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”
He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”
He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.”
32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more.(AA) What if only ten can be found there?”
He answered, “For the sake of ten,(AB) I will not destroy it.”
33 When the Lord had finished speaking(AC) with Abraham, he left,(AD) and Abraham returned home.(AE)
Matthew 18:10-14
New International Version
The Parable of the Wandering Sheep(A)
10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels(B) in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. [11] [a]
12 “What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.
He can as He Is The Creator and has full Dominion. God is not a mortal that’s finite. God can stop every bullet but He also respects our free will and we will each receive judgement for how we lived in this life.
@KykyDJenkins God gave him a chance as it gives many suicidal people, as someone who almost killed myself twice it's pretty sad. Very hard song to get through. Suicidal people almost always have "warning shots" from God
It’s so crazy because I remember feeling bad for the son watching this, now I feel. For the dad. I guess that’s life. That’s faith.
I balled like a baby when I first seen this video. I've never had serious thoughts of suicide, or anything like this. Teenage angst is as far as I've ever gotten, but I think we've all had friends to end it. It happened x2 when I was in the military. 1 in Afghanistan and the other was suicide by cop in Ft. Hood. Dustin Cole was a troubled person, but he was deeply loyal, fearless, and someone who you wanted to on your side. I had no idea how to react when it happened. I grew up, desperately poor. No lights, water, or food. I'm only 32 btw, but its the hand my family was dealt. It was so painful and confusing when he did what he did. Evil. He killed a police officer, and I feel bad for feeling bad for Cole. PTSD is a real thing that I never believed in until I came back. Just venting in public, sorry.
It's sad when people feel the need to try try again to end themselves. No matter how bad life is, people have it worse somewhere, and people love you whether it seems like it or not. Much love. Stay safe. How many people ended there lives before the glory. They thought the race was over when it just started.
This felt like a therapy session between son and father. I am happy that you found a good way to do that, and I am glad that I could witness it.
Only thing missing is a hug between you two. 🫂
Thank You For Your Support R.I.P Kountry Gone But Never Forgotten.
You're both very well spoken with great perspectives that are very different. I greatly appreciate you guys doing this video. You just gained a new subscriber
I need your father in my life 😁
Did anyone notice when he says and were the fukk is god then the belt breaks
It's just a video. He's an actor
4 real!!! U swear!
Could be a hidden message by Joyner, good catch
Just want to say to this father and son this is something that is good for a lot of young people please continue with the program
This hit me close to home
Whole new perspective on life 😭
1:39 I noticed the pastor smiled at that part
I know you're bad has a different perspective on what going on but thank God for him because my dad wouldn't even entertain or take the time out to even try to understand these kind of stuff. So respect to him bro!
It's like they say, "I'm alive". Even if the day goes to shit, you're still breathing at the end, at least you're alive, thank God for that. You didn't kill yourself, you weren't killed, you made it. You still have your LIFE to live to see your loved ones.
your video brought me to tears " your not alone" hit hard 🥺😢😞
The ink running out point was deep.
This is the very first song I ever heard from Joyner Lucas ..I love the review because.. I look for people that find the songs that I listen to & feel the same exact way I do about them..however a person that's been dealing with depression 4 that turns suicidal I'm speaking from experience and the fact that I tried twice.. So being saved is the last thing I thought about.. and I also have two uncles that have their churches in alabama Reginald Calvert and Jerome Calvert
So many forget that we are God's special creation for he imbued us with free will. The ugly side of such a gift is the capacity to do harm. Not just to ourselves but others.
1:39 look the pastor smiled at that part
You are brain dead
Did you really reply on a months old comment with that middle school insult?
hewho shallnotbenamed what is your point here bud
@@bottlebongsforthewin5760 awe bless your heart. You're a "special" kid huh?
Just found out a close friend of mine from middle school took her own life. We played volleyball and soccer together and she was a grade under me, she had only started highschool. She had her whole life ahead of her, and she was an amazing soul, you'd never think she'd do something like that. I feel guilty for not talking to her more.
i really like how its a father and son reacting to this video which is about a father and son, thumbs up
I know this is a SUPER late comment, but I hope u see this! Some people do perceive it as inviting. I have witnessed it! Awesome reaction. You both did an amazing job.
Why would God create this crazy life knowing that people can't take this life that gives no answer to our questions. Then God has the audacity to send people to hell...
Bo Majesty I don’t believe in god. He creates this horrible world we live in for no point. He has a kingdom of peace and happiness and then puts us on this prison for eighty years just so we can get in. With all of these things that MAKE people behave badly
Nebula life is what you make it. Sorry you feel like that’s all life has to offer
Zzzz Thank you for at least being understanding :) a lot of people just jump the gun and assume I’m a satanist or something
God dose not send u to hell u send yourself to hell
@@caseysparks6297 So you mean to tell me that I can be saved by the blood of Jesus and slip up and commit a sin, die in the same moment and go straight to hell?
As a suicidal person with a depressive disorder, as well as someone who has had a loved one commit suicide, I used to be quite bothered by people calling it selfish. Ultimately, selfishness isn't a bad thing. I think it often gets confused with self-centeredness. But, I came to the realization that the reason it bothered me was, not because it wasn't selfish or that your thoughts aren't in the mindset of "me", but because the otherside of the arguement is just as selfish. And that's okay. The problem is that no one talks about that. The other side wants someone who has no desire of living to live. And, yes some people do say that it's because that person is taken away from the world and can't play their part. But, deep down it's because someone they love is taken from them. Whether they admit it or not, it is a selfish view. Just as much as the person committing suicide because they're tired or overwhelmed or feel like they got nothing left is selfish. It's very important to remember that both sides are on equal ground in this area. Ultimately, the only person that is selfless is the one who gives in and lets go of their desire. And, if we continue with only admitting the selfishness of one side and not the other, that side will ultimately just be hurt. They'll feel even more misunderstood and isolated, when they already can't be understood. And, then we definitely can't help them. Because everything is just stacked against them, there's no middle ground.
Your dad is awesome!! Love his point of views
The inspiration behind this song was Joyners cousin "Brodi" who took his own life. The line "Just make sure you tell my family: It's ok, I'm sorry" is rumored to be picked straight out of Brodi's suicide note
Love this video between you & your dad. Shit was real as hell. I would definitely like to attend your dad's church
Wat a good dad
Please do Magician's Assistant by Scroobius Pip and Dan LeSacs
There are two songs in my life that i consider really intense to me, snuff from corey taylor (slipknot), and this one.
👍👍
Snuff is deep.
I like how he stopped him to help his dad understand what really goes on inside the mind. Dad is listening, good. Wish he could help many clueless parents understand to, they just don't get it.
Jesus this Moses that, Abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat.
Eric Rodriguez 215 so....hilarious...I’m crying......
Lmfao
I had a stroke trying to read this, lol
This is the song I was listening to when I loaded my gun and was gonna pull the trigger when my nest friend walked in and took the gun from me
It's hard to ask for help
Thanx for saying this my uncle killed himself a few years ago Bruce to know hes in heaven right now
The pastor in the video was actually the deceased father and was his cousin who committed suicidal
Just now finding all these and this channel.
Maybe I haven't seen the video if this was already explained but I almost feel like you made these videos to show him how you feel, without saying this is how I feel directly.
Like its easier to hear when talking about the song lyrics and what they mean, as well as you introducing another view other than your dads in a way that doesn't out his defense up as much but be more open to hear anothers side
When the belt slipped I feel as if that was god and he gave him a chance but he took it for granted.
I feel as if this is a music video and they had to extend the video to fit the length of the song so they extended it by the belt slipping 🤯
You added Only. Your pops didnt say that. In reality, WE are responsible for our own lives. What we choose to do with them is ultimately our choice.
12:13 Yes it is selfish. People do it to try to end there pain. To try to escape. I say "try" because nobody knows what happens after we die.
Almost all suicide attempt survivors said the regretted it as soon as they took that step to end their life there is a video about a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge in a suicide attempt he was one of very few who survived that jump and in his video he said the second he left the railing he regretted it.
Wow. This is my first time seeing this channel but you guys are entertaining. I sense some underlying tension between the two of you. Like your son grew up hearing you push your opinions on to others, so now he's made it his mission in life to show you that there are multiple perspectives to consider.
14:42 Yeah true they feel there is no other option.
8:02 YES it could be.
there's no way it isn't selfish. I'm suicidal and to actually do it would be the ultimate selfish act, unless you had no family or friends. You have to bear your pain and deal with it or else you'll just be passing it off to someone else.
not to mention most suicidal thoughts stem from self-worth.
Agree
Heightist do it
Timingruby what the fuck is wrong with you?
Heightist Bare it as long as we can, at least, until the inevitable end.
I just want to comment about how it's perceived as selfish to take your own life. From the perspective of someone who is suicidal, it could be argued that it's selfish for others to want them to not end the pain and stay around for other people's sake.
You bring up the part about god intervening and why didn’t he make the gun jam instead of the pen running out of ink. god intervened twice, once when the belt broke and then the pen running out. Just wanted to put that out there.
The way I would word your statement at14:20 is "The people saying it's selfish are selfish themselves they may mourn but they do it with the support of those around them mourning also. To be in a state of suicidal thought your whole life is mourning by your self alone without support even if the support is present." also it's irrelevant trying to put logic to suicide in a mind that has true suicidal tendencies rational thought based on living is not present.
Great review
Just about the best reaction channel on CZcams
First person iv ever heard that has said he thinks god may let you in heaven even if u committed suicide. Iv wondered it so many time and have asked and they would say no your going to hell and I just feel God would really know us if we were good or bad and would judge us on that.. he made me tear up a lil bi
I’m two second in and I both liked and subbed ♥️😭
Great reaction and review. I don’t think that it’s selfish and would say that this is the wiring descriptive to use in defining and understanding why someone would resort to this. Suicide is a way for those who are in pain to end their pain. There is a cause and effect in this dynamic.
Many who say it’s selfish are displaying a lack of understanding and empathy towards the person that is in pain. The reason why they feel it’s selfish is because they are, ironically, focused on how it will affect them personally which in turn could be argued as self serving aka selfish.
In some of these cases, the ones labeling the person in pain as selfish is the one who is causing the pain to said person! What people like this have to comprehend is that, again, this is seen as a way to end the pain and lack of hope. It takes a lot to get to this point as it’s a permanent solution to a, likely, temporary problem. There’s no sense of selfishness in that as opposed to it being an extreme remedy.
Hopefully this clears some smoke and makes sense. God bless and peace.
*wrong descriptive
man this video is so powerful...
I like both of your points of views
Suicide is only selfish in one aspect. That is because in your own mind you may feel like (Noone cares) about you and that you are completely alone so you go and take your own life but in result it could hurt family or friends that do actually care without the knowledge of you thinking of that, so basically its selfish because you are putting them through pain and hurt for the rest of their lives they live, especially having to walk in and see you dead just because your feelings. I understand suicide thou my brother killed himself and I understand the pain he went through so im not shaming anyone but its kind of a lose lose situation for people that are suicidal because its either you live through it and stay unhappy or you kill yourself and hurt others. At the end of it all though suicide is a permanent decision to a temporary problem and I hope everyone that is in that place gets to feeling better and fights through it.
4:50 I watched the original video before during a time when I was thinking about killing myself. It really made me think. It did not give me ideas of how to kill myself but it did help me think of what others would go through if I did it.
Suicide is selfish...
But so is eating and breathing. Imagine the feeling of hunger and or being out of breath. Would you search for air and sustenance. Yes you would. Imagine that and then start to try and convince someone not to. Most can't but some can. I can't but I wish I could so that maybe one life can be saved by perspective. It is one of the powerful tools we have and it isn't utilized enough.
as a a pastor he knows that the bible states that if a human commits suicide that he goes to hell and is refused heaven , and then belittles this mans pain of being suicidal since the age of 9 , , this paStor is a liar and an uncaring idiot AND A V V V V V V V SELFISH FATHER i love yor son he is awesome stay strong brother xxx people love you you seem greatr bro xx
fuck this pastor , when the suicidal man said where is god he ment why is god letting a good man be driven to suicide when god is ment to be saving people , and as a pastor and as a dad he should know his son and hug him but he judges him , YOUR SON JUST SCREAMED AT YOU THAT HE IS SUICIDAL AND YOU IGNORE IT ,,,, FUCK YOU DUDE AND THIS WILL BE YOUR SON UNLESS YOU BE A DD INSTEAD OF A FALSE PASTOR!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I remember you saying you are an atheist or not a Christian. I don't consider myself as having a religion myself and I respect people of all believes. (obviously I'm referring to the son)
We need to do better for our friends and family when there going through some hard things 🙏
Good thing you had your dad bud
Bro you are a king
U guys stopped the video too early - there is a stat and a phone number at the end: 1 person commits suicide every 16.2 minutes and a suicide hotline # to call.
I hate the why’s. Why is your care only surface deep.