Audi R8 V10 or V8? Are 2 Extra Cylinders Worth it?
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2022
- In this video, I give you my take on when choosing between a V8 or V10 engine, and more specifically on my first-generation Audi R8. Are the two extra cylinders worth it? How much extra joy comes with 2 more cylinders? I give you my take and analysis having owned and driven many cars with both V8s and V10s from the street driving perspective and on the track!
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Ricky Elder @REPerformance UK wrote this down 2 years ago, still applies and is relevant to this video. (copied it all from one comment he made on Pistonheads). Ricky has worked on so many R8's he knows them inside out and if I had a R8 in the UK or Europe I wouldn't go elsewhere to get it checked. Here goes:
"Mag ride is the worst part - we swap these for R8 passive units and is a common swap now.
AC compressors - never replaced one for a genuine failure, normally mis diagnosed condensers (V8 is engine out, V10 engine in to swap).
Early V8's have issues with rear ball joints which require full suspension swap (discontinued parts).
V10's leak from the oil pump drive.
Clutch is expensive to replace, the pedal should be very light - if not the release bearing is on its way out.
Carbon build will be awful on V8, much better engine software on the V10 means it isn't as big an issue.
Other than that they are pretty solid, just do your homework and buy a good one.
Early V8 R-Tronics are pretty slow to change, the software was much better on the V10's.
There are only 7 (left of 9) R8 V10 Gen 1 Plus in manual - we look after them all but 1 and I know of one for sale atm.
If you are choosing, Gen 1 V10 manual......last of the V10 supercars!"
I should add that some early R8's suffered from frame cracks, Audi released a fix later on but it's one more reason to go with the V10 6MT. If I'm honest my dream spec is a triple black R8 V8 from 2008 just like yours, with the carbon sideblades. I was really close to getting one last year but by the time I checked with the dealer it was already gone. I don't quite like the idea of buying a V10 for daily use since the V8 must be tamer in comparison (I also love V8's, but that's me). If the V8 didn't suffer from all these issues it would 100% be my go to, but I guess I am shopping for V10's...
This is such a great summary and analysis. Pinned! 100% agree with your points and glad to hear my spec is your preferred;)
great insight
Its crazy how well the 1st gen R8s have aged. They look absolutely stunning even today. The design is timeless
100% agree. They knocked it out of the park with the design. Stunning.
Finally got my v10 a couple weeks ago. No payments, paid cash, and super stoked. The V10 was my dream car so I never really even considered the v8 variant, but I see the perks. Cool video!
Nice Jeffrey congratulations! Your going to love it. Enjoy every drive and welcome to the channel!
Congrats man! I am literally looking at a V10 Spyder.
That's so cool congrats man
I'm not gonna say the V10s are over-rated, because they aren't. But the V8s are incredibly under-rated. It's a gem of an engine that is completely overshadowed by the glorious V10s.
I’ve been dying to see the comparison of the V8 or v10 love this video thanks for doing this type of video 🙌🏾
More to come getting a V10 lined up for some duels 👌
thanks for being real with us. nice car
Thanks man 🙏 still loving it even when it’s put away for the winter ❄️
Great breakdown! I prefer the V8 personally, also because of the sound. Over here in the US, the V10s are much more expensive than comparable V8s mileage wise, anywhere from $40-80K more. You could buy two higher mileage (30-40k) manual V8s for the the price of a low mileage V10 manual!
Prices are insane right now. Wonder if they will drop or simply level off.
you have to consider the cost of ownership; meaning the depreciation of each of the cars.
I would without hesitation by V 10 with a manual transmission… It would be the last of that style and worth every penny
If you’re going to truly drive the car and rack up some miles (and you don’t plan on flipping it / keeping it for the investment dollar), I would recommend the V8 with the gated manual that can be driven all year in all conditions. It’s lighter, more reliable, cheaper to maintain, and sounds better-especially with an upgraded exhaust. You can play around with aftermarket stuff and have a mid-12 second car with a gated manual. That said, if you plan on driving the car minimally / keeping the miles low, having a piece of garage candy, and/or treating the car as an investment opportunity or asset class, I would recommend the V10 with the gated manual. This will hold its value far better, and the benefits of the V8 become moot. However, if money is no object, or you don’t care about the investment, go with either one. I’ve owned multiple vehicles with the 4.2 and the 5.2, and I’ve driven both R8’s. Hoping to pick up a 4.2 R8 in the not too distant future. Cheers!
Thanks for the advice here Randal! That’s awesome you are about to get one yourself! Auto or gates for you ?
@@carswithsonduren gates all the way unless you’re considering building one of those 1000+ HP twin turbo beasts
Hundred percent agree with you
Which engine is good for modified for speed?
great video and commentating, you are right with every sentence
Thanks man and welcome to the channel :) Maybe one day I’ll upgrade to the V10 when the time is right.
I have an r8 v8 with the s tronic dual tronic. I hate when people say it's not fast, I don't care. Cars are not just about how fast it goes in a straight line there are other dynamics involved
garbage
@sknails2723 lmfao get out of here
@@sknails2723 lol when you get one start talking
@@sa467 its ok, still garbage
Just got my v10 gated spider today. Wow. What a car. Your videos were great inspiration. Thank u 🙏
Awesome man congratulations! What colour combo!?
All black. Which is what I like. 😅
@melroseplace7105 sexy AF. I am jelly my man. I want a V10 spider bad
For me, it would depend on the dynamics. A V8 will be good enough, but for a Lambo or rocket type car a V10 will give you an exceptional badge.
Exhaust upgrade sounds really good
Thanks my man, absolutely love it!
Very well tell about this cars
good mindset, spend of what we can
If money was no obstacle and we were all swimming in money, the V10 is the obvious choice. Though, curious to hear your thoughts and the tradeoffs based on reality 🤔
I could tune the V8 or modify it to make up the power gap far easier than making up for the over 100 pounds of weight from the engine that also affects the balance. Implying it's only a matter of how much money you have only implies you haven't realized weight is harder to shed than HP gained. It's hard to make a car lighter if you don't want to strip it bare but power is easy.
if money was no obstacle, just get a Performante. However, if you're buying an R8. Some people like me have a nostalgia of first seeing it beautifully on screen with the Iron Man movie, silver on silver R8 V8. That was a beauty.
Weight has much to factor. I had a R8 V8 and on the A and B roads the V10s were no faster on the twisty stuff
Great car the v8 but I still have to get the ten and keep my v8 gated 😜
V8 is better when you can’t afford v10. Same as 335i is better than m3 when you can’t afford m3. Base model Impreza is better than STi when you can’t afford a STi.
Nice ride! How many KMs you put on that bad boy?
Just clicked over 60,000km and she still is a dream.
I am glad 😀 I went for v8 maybe 🤔 one day I get the v10. 🤞
Same here Eddie :D
Ummm. Yes! I have a manual trans v10 spyder and it is glorious with the Capristo exhaust!
Been thinking to get the v10 but man, the v8 just sounds phenomenal.
If the V10 in your budget?
@@carswithsonduren not really for now tbh, more planning 2 years ahead if everything goes as planned, unless their prices increase considerably.
I prefer the v10 but the think is the v8 has for me a perfect combination: supercar look & muscle car sound.
Everytime I hear yours it's just awesome 👍🏽
Completely agree. See what happens but now you can start dreaming and planning for when you can make the move :) reach out to me if you have any questions check out my other videos to help you out!
@@carswithsonduren thanks Sonduren, really appreciate it.
Similar to you, been my dream car since a kid when it came out.
Oh and I've probably watched every single of your r8 videos, just can't miss any of them.
Take care!
Anytime brother have a great weekend 🙏
If you have your heart set on a v-10, just go buy a 3rd gen viper and save yourself thirty grand
The answer is YES
Is the r8's 4.2 v8 engine the r8's 5.2 v10 engine with 2 cylinders less?
The V8 manual has great acceleration in 1st but falls on its face in the gears after.
People who can’t afford v10 will alway say v8 is better. Same as BMW 335i owner says their car is better than m4 or m3.
Armchair warrior.
Did you ever put it on the dyno after you tuned and added the exhaust to see what it's delivering?
Oh hell yes! czcams.com/video/uKTOYPZRRSw/video.html
I prefer v8 because i love v8 sound (Muscle Car) and if you need more power you have a Supercharger kit very cheap 😊 and now you have a R8 Demon EDITION
Good thinking :)
There is around 20k gbp difference in the UK
If it’s only an extra 20k I’d rather save up and get the faster car lol. Sorry if that sounds like a douche bag thing. But v8s seem nice as well. I think it’s definitely way more of a price difference now between them tho.
Should the year of the Audi R8 be of big concern? Being a 2008 R8, do you encounter lots of problems?
No major problems. I have made many videos you can check on my playlist on this topic :)
@@carswithsonduren awesome! I’ll check it out. I’m planning on this as my first sports/super car. Looking at a 2012 model, and hoping it’s not too old.
Honestly, these things age like fine wine. Just do proper checks check out those videos and let me know if you have any questions. They are phenomenal cars!
Used to want the v8 but now with a tuned OG M2 it will be too slow. So v10 for me!
Sheeeeeesh
As long as it ain’t electric, it’s good.
The problem is, Audi made the 4.2 model TOO GOOD, the 5.2 is obviously a whole SUPERCAR, but there isn’t enough of a difference between them!this makes the decision VERY difficult! Especially when there is $20,000 between them.
Agreed. Of course if money grew on trees I’d take the V10 but that’s not reality.
So if I go with a B7 RS4 ... it's a good choice and no big problem in long term ? The car has 145 000km ... well maintain, all oem so if I continue like that I can keep this car for the rest of my life ?
Yes good choice imho 😎
Me to i prefer the V8 sound
Have the v10 manual. The weight of the car makes the 10 a better choice. And much better resale.
Nice what year you got
2011 spyder. Valved exhaust and KW coil overs. Phenomenal car to drive.
Wonderful how many kilometres do you have on it ?
27km. 17K I’m in the US.
Nice man it’s just a baby still :) congratulations I hope you never sell it.
Awesome video. Based on what you were saying the 2022 Elantra N is just as fast as the V8 R8. I'd definitely rather have the R8 but I just wanted to share that knowledge. Hyundai has been going crazy as of late.
They have been crushing it lately.
If you like u can use my v10 in a video for comparison
Ali you rock. Send me a msg on IG let’s connect!
Where are the Ducati Monster vids man? ^^
Sold sadly ;(
@@carswithsonduren Awh man! I was so stoked for that series :) Keep up the great content, and I´ll see you in the next one :)
This is my first time hearing the R8 with a v8 and it sou ds Luke a mustang
Dude at 4:45 probably thought you were a police checkpoint 😂
Lmfao right? Dipped hard on
@@carswithsonduren Clearly had something to hide 😆
@@carswithsonduren Clearly had something to hide 😆
Hahahaha so true
yeah, a stopped R8 with drugs inside
What about reliability? Do You have data instead of just opinions???
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So guy doesnt have v10 so say's V8 is good enough.... not exactly what I would call a comparison..... Apparently that V10 is much more reliable and V8 suspension parts are now unavailable with only v10 ones so suspension problems in V8's are expensive to fix....
I have driven half a dozen V10s for the R8 so this is my opinion. Good point about the suspension but this is a recent issue. I don’t believe the V10 is much more reliable. If anything it’s a coin flip with the edge going to the V8. I have been part of the R8 scene for 6 years deeply.
@@carswithsonduren respect the comment, thanks I guess my comments came from the typical carbon issues of the V8 and the increased reliability reported of the 5.2 L V10 over the old 5.0L... I do understand the V10 can have issues with the oil pump and oil return pipes.... However I respect someone like yourself in the scene rather than me looking in... I think the manual V10 around 2010 in Spyder is a very undervalued and collectable car... That's what I am aiming for...
You are right on that spec! Fingers crossed for you 🙏
There is no reliability difference in the two the 5.2 is one of the most stout engines
Yep I agree both are very reliable
The V8 is not more reliable than the V10 idk whay youre talking about lol
They don’t make your ball joints anymore.
Shit good thing I bought a pair
yer on a public road dude... got no business parking across the lanes and expecting traffic to work around you! I went with v8 and the manual...
V10 or die
It's called R8... 8 cylinders makes sense to me.
This fits well with my OCD
Not really, its a successor of the R8 LMP race car.
For me personally, sounding = V8 performance spec = V10
Agreed
You should here my v10, you will think differently after that.
Let me have it for a few days 👀😶😎
It is completely beyond me why anyone would waste their time on a V8 R8. If you can't get the V10 then get something else. The v8 has more issues and its fricken slow. Even the V10 isnt crazy fast. You can buy a c7 z06 for the price of a v8 r8..
Lets not kid ourselves. Their is no comparison between the v8 and v10. V8s are for posers that want the look of having an R8 but would get dusted by a Golf
I bought the V8 because I live on Maui.
V10 supercar owners on the island have nowhere to ever shift into top gear. I drive my brother's Gallardo and it feels like overkill for here. I also own a V10 M5 and it feels like overkill here. The Gallardo and R8 are both gated manuals.
you know the r8 launched as a V8.. the V10 was added later.... there is no posing its literally the original idk what youre on about LOL.
Yep. The first 2 years of the R8 started with the V8.
The car is still ugly.
You are the first person to ever say that.