Thanks, Mark, for a worthwhile comparison. I wound up listening to most of it, as opposed to watching, and found the Vangoa really stood out among the budget-friendly models. Particularly versus the Ibanez; NO comparison.
I hate to dump on Ibanez but I really had to sweeten the sound in post to get anything usable. I hate to say that Vangoa is just as good as all the rest of the cheap 12 strings and it's better made, cheaper, and has better customer service, but that's really what it comes down to.
Vangoa sounds good to my ear or at least good enough to enjoy. Good marks on playability as well. I don't like spending lots of money on anything, including Guitars. Sold!
Great review. It was very concise. I have a Takamine GD30CE. It has a split bridge. I didn't notice if yours did, too. It was hard to tell from the pic. I don't know if having a split bridge makes a big difference or not. Long ago, I had a 1982 Yamaha L series 12 string. It was a great guitar. I thought the strings were perfectly spaced whereas, I think my Takamine's strings are a little close to each other. I find it easier to play if I hold it more like a classical player would with the nut at the level of about the bottom of my ear. I know a guy from Japan (through doing Judo) who tells me that the e at the end of Takamine should be pronounced like the a in cake.
Ventura V-697 was a beautiful sounding guitar, after many years of playing it, It was stolen from me, Miss It So much, I haven't been able to find anything that sounds as good, I've felt musicly crippled ever since, was my Best Friend for 34 years.😢
Hey Larry. Could the guitar just be on vacation? I'm trying to make you smile, not rub it in. That sucks. Maybe it's time to treat yourself to a new one that you've always wanted. I appreciate you checking out the video. Please take care and be well. Mark
Once again you did a great job presenting the information in a fair and balanced way. There is definitely a sound difference among the guitars but when factoring in price the vangoa is hard to beat for someone looking for their first 12 string. Thanks again for sharing your expertise.
Thank you for this Mark. I've been looking for a 12 string ever since I traded away my Seagull Coastline 12 a few years ago which I still regret doing. I've tried the Taylor and found it quite comfortable to play but I lean more to shorter scale 12 strings. I rather like the Seagull S-12 and the Art and Lutherie Legacy 12 for that reason along with their concert-sized bodies which are more comfortable for someone with right shoulder issues. Both are under $1000 Canadian ($750 USD ?) My ideal, though, would be a Gibson 12 in sunburst like the one Gordon Lightfoot played but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Yes, that Gibson that Gordon Lightfoot plays is very nice. Unlike me, he makes a living playing it, lol! If I were to upgrade from my Takamine, Laravee makes a very nice 12 string. I tried one out just before the pandemic and loved it. I almost pulled the trigger for it, but I couldn't justify trading my Takamine, a guitar that I really like, for the Larrave. I can completely understand your regret when you traded your Seagull. I think I'd feel the same way.
That was a great explanation of the 12 strings you've had experience with. I also think you always wanting people to find their personal fit. You don't approach videos with the mine or you're wrong vibe. I really appreciate that.
I REALLY LIKE this video. You should do one of these for all of your guitars. At the end of the day, everybody is going to be a little biased but I feel like you take bias out of it better tahn anyone. Thanks Mark!
I would like to hear the same song on all 5 guitars, something that would allow me to hear the real difference comparitively. Dyer maker is a great choice!
Hey Mark that was a very good video especially for someone who doesn't own a 12 string Acoustic yet . I am with you on the Takamine as the most beautiful of all you rated. Yes a jumbo is a bit tougher to play . I have a Gretsch G-5022CWFE Jumbo which is the size of the Takamine.( I am holding it on the Picture you see ) I am 6'3 so a larger Guitar is alright for me. I do agree the hand angles are a bit tricky on a Jumbo. I also Agree that a Vangoa is a great bargain for someone who wants to try out a 12 string for not a lot of cash . You did a excellent job in explaining all of these Guitars
Hi Mark. Key thoughts are: How dreadful does the Ibanez sound? And the Mitchell isn't much better for the price point. The Takamine sounds amazing, but maybe not much fun to play. The Taylor is the one to go for if you've got the money, but if like me you haven't, then the Vangoa is brilliant. I have the Vangoa and love it.
Breedlove makes great 12 string guitars , I owned the taylor 150 for a while, the breedlove blew it out of the water and for less money ,Thanks for the good review
Hey brother. I currently have 2 Breedlove guitars. I play traditional chat Atkins style finger style and I reach for the Breedlove most of the time for that. I think the Taylor 150 is a fantastic guitar. To me, it please better than the 254 and 352 or 354, although the 354 does sound a little better. I'm biased towards Taylor. I currently own a custom Koa GS Mini Plus, a 322, a 410, and the 150. I currently own 13 12-string guitars and without a doubt my favorite is the Reverend Airwave 12. I'm getting a Schecter 12 next week and I just picked up a 74 Glen Campbell Signature Ovation 12 in mint condition. I'm thinking of getting rid of the lot and getting a 754, but people that follow the channel enjoy seeing different guitars. Regarding Ovation, I got it for a third of its price. I'm not a big ovation fan. I toured for several years using a custom legend. I hated the thing but it was durable and ALWAYS cut through the mix whenever we played venues with the poor sound system, which was pretty often. I was given 8 new guitars the other day. Guitar Heaven. I just finished shooting a video about it. I'll upload it on Saturday or Sunday. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I sincerely appreciate your time and kind words. Enjoy the rest of your week. Take care and be well. Mark
I have had my eye on a 12 string that is $299 (I think it is either a Taylor or a Takamine)at one the local shops I visit every week. I also keep an eye out for things on the used market. I haven’t bought it yet due to some of my other living expenses so far.
I must say, I am very tempted by the Taylor. I haven't played one of their 12-strings but a while back during a song circle, I got a chance to play a Taylor 6-string acoustic, and, well, it was fantastic to play. I've played a number of 6-string guitars, including some high end Martins, but that Taylor was very very nice. My current 6-string is a shallow body Ovationa Applause, and it is a decent guitar. I had originally gotten it because it is the type of instrument that will travel well, and I am hoping to get out and do some camping in my small trailer, and I don't have a problem with bringing the Ovation with me, while I would be concerned with a higher end instrument like a Taylor.
I agree with you my friend, I have a Taylor 814CE, and a 524CE, and the action is great and their play ability is very good, is it possible you can tell me, because I am blind I want to know the trailer and this guitar review, what Taylor is it? I like the fact that he said that the strings or nice and spaced.
@@moisesperez4605 The Taylor I played was a couple of years ago, before the plague, and I can't remember the number, but I do remember how well it played! My trailer is a 13 foot fiberglass camper made by UHaul, known as the CT 13.
Hi totally agree but when should not travel with a high and Guitar, I have two Taylor guitars, the first one is an 814, Rosewood back inside Spruce top, the second one is that 524 But I agree the Taylor guitars are very easy to play, well built. mahogany back inside, their play ability is awesome, and I would not take a high and Guitar as well out there traveling with it, I’m going to try to find something similar to that Taylor Guitar a lower price range. As far as a travel Guitar
Good review, Mark. I hope in the future you will have the chance to play and review some different 12 string guitars other than the five that you reviewed today. I realize it may be difficult to review all of the 12 string makers but who knows what we will see moving forward.
As per usual,.. a Taylor is going to stand out for sound and playability. Never played a Taylor 12 but it would be lovely. I was very surprised by the sound of the Vangoa, especially when compared to the Ibanez! The Ibanez did not sound very good compared to any of the guitars! Loved your approach the reviewing in such a manner. Very straight forward as though you're genuinely were helping us shop for a 12 string. No sales pitch and very candid. Refreshing! Thanks for that.
I have a D’Angelo 12 string guitar tea burst I paid just about $600 for it. That didn’t include the cakes. It’s a beautiful guitar I like 12 strings they sound so good and so warm and so beautiful love your video. Have a great day.😄🎸👍
Great video Mark. Here are the 12 string guitars that I have. Takamine & Co. F-385 12 NAT. I made it acoustic electric by putting in a sound hole pickup Takamine GD30CE-12 BLK.It’s a great guitar to play. The sound really rings out. I went with Takamine because that brand is being endorsed by The Eagles and also because my dad has a Takamine EG540C NAT. For my dad’s 64th birthday, I upgraded his guitar a little bit. Thanks to eBay, I got him a new preamp and installed it myself. The beauty of the new preamp is that it has a built in digital tuner. I kept his original endpin jack and piezo pickup stock. I was able to just plug those in and with just a little bit of drilling, I screwed in the new preamp and it secured right in. I even gave him an extra strap button and a strap so he can play standing up since his endpin jack doubles as a strap button.
Hey Mark, I know you did the review on guitars you have owned and played. I have Guild and Taylor 12 strings, and they are great. Guild F-1512 and Taylor 355. They are both Jumbo shaped but are very easy to play, especially seated. The Guild is still being made. Play on.
Hey Don. I'm always reluctant to do reviews of stuff that I don't know well. I've heard nothing but good things about the 1512 and I've played the 355. Let's face it. If you're OK with a jumbo the sound of a jumbo 12 string that's well built is really tough to beat. My Takamine sounds incredible. I've never had a problem being 5 7. As a matter of fact, the world is built better for shorter people...except when it comes to jumbo guitars. Lol. They are tough for me to play. I appreciate the feedback. Hopefully viewers interested in those guitars will sew your comment. I really appreciate you taking the time to check out the video and comment. Have a great week and take care. Mark
Hey Mark, I basically love a Jumbo shaped guitar, as I find they have great natural balance. And all those curves can make for some extended action with the sound waves bouncing around in odd directions. I'm a little over 5'8" with wide shoulders which helps. My favorite six string is an X-braced rosewood Taylor 818 Grand Orchestra. It's a Jumbo with a wider waist, and has a monster sound if you want it, but also handles gentle stuff very nicely. I fingerpick everything using my nails as picks. Be well. Don
Over here in Finland, the Takamine is going for 499 €, while the Taylor is 999 €, so I'm going for the Takamine, sounds like an amazing deal. I was a bit worried about the playability, since a couple of videos talked about it, but looks like the nut width is the same on both, and I'm not really worried about the jumbo size, since I already have a 6-string jumbo (which I would assume to be a similar size, although it's a different manufacturer). Hopefully the action isn't too high, but another video mentioned that there are shims under the bridge pieces (from the factory), so could just take those out. Thanks for an honest review, feels like you didn't pull any punches.
Finally after being block from commenting for 12hrs., I can finally do so again ! The review was great Mark ! Your opinion is always straight forward and honest. Thank for keeping it Real !
Great reviews. When I win the loto, I’ll try the Taylor. I keep holding out hopes for a Vangoa. One thing that is concerning about the Vangoa is there great customer service. Kinda says their customer service is needed frequently. What is the most common issue with the Vangoa? Doesn’t matter… sounds great and as long as it’s an easy player, I’ll take it! lol
I have an Ovation 12 string Elite 2758AX. It has an awesome sound.Especially, when plugged in. I picked it used at a good price. I play mostly 6 string and electric. But always wanted a 12string. Always had my eye on the 2758 model. So, when it finally came around, I had to get it. And the price was right. It retails for about $1800 I believe. I've only had it for a few months, so I'm still learning and figuring it out.But I love it. Just have to get used pushing down a little harder. Especially, after playing electric.
I’ve had a Seagull S12, the Vangoa, but ended up with a Martin D28-12. Blows all 12 strings away. Yes it probably cost more but I bought mine on the used market for $1700. I use it in my band to play country songs; it’s l ways up for the task and is very pleasant to the ear, I just can’t put it down some days. It’s in my guitar arsenal to stay. I now have the Martin D28 6 string and 12 string, all I’ll ever need! You’ll go through life buying and selling guitars; losing money on each. I love playing guitar, it’s a big part of my life, why not get the best.
I have yet to hear a twelve string with a laminate top that pleased me, i fact i have not heard a really reasonable sounding laminate top in any form, i think that its the top that gives a guitar its tone. The taylor is about one of the nicest sounding of all. I did have a remarkable red cedar top that was very well braced and that really had depth to it, but i forget who it was made by.
Eight years ago I bought my first 12 string guitar, a Takamine GD30CE-12NAT, and I couldn't agree more with your review. They are very well built guitars and they sound amazing. Even though the G-Series are built in China, they are constructed to the high quality standards that Takamine is famous for. This guitar is an electroacoustic and a tuner is included, which is very handy to have on a 12 string. The electronics are high quality and easy to use. It truly is the best bang for your buck when compared to the more expensive Martin and Taylor instruments. Personally I would stick to the dreadnought size over the jumbo, but the choice is yours. You can't go wrong with a Takamine.
When I heard the Vangoa ..... I thought ..... wow.... good sound for basically no money . I don't prefer the aesthetics of that one in the vid but really for that price point .... 😳
I have had 12 string guitars for many years. I've had a few 6 strings but didn't like them so I sold them after maybe a few months of having them. I presently own two 12 string guitars, a 2004 Songbird model 212 made in Cranberry Pen, and I own a 2019 Taylor 150e. I do not own any 6 string guitars at all because my 12 strings have me spoiled to the point that I can't find a 6 string I really like, well, that's what my wife says anyway. great reviews BTW!
Great review Mark. Thanks! I always appreciate your guitar reviews. I have one acoustic 12 string now but it won’t be my last. And my next guitar will be the Eastwood Classic electric 12 string you reviewed awhile back. Pretty sure I’ll be getting at least one more acoustic 12 string too.
This is the only one of your shows I didn't manage to watch live for ages Mark, so I have just watched it now. Some nice comparisons there but you threw me with the photo of the Takamine as it wasa only a 6 string one but I was pleased to see that you did actually play the 12 string model 😎
I've had my 1979 Guild F212XL for near 40 years. Stunning power and chime. It is a handful to play, but just wondaful tone. No top out with aggressive strumming. I prefer playing arpeggio style when possible on my 12.
I had that takamine and I kept trying to work with it to make it sound better and I ended up selling it. I did play the Taylor 12 string at a guitar center and that is the nicest neck I’ve ever played on a 12 string.
Thank you Mark for these evaluations. I have Martin Mexico 12 string. While I really like the playability of it, it’s the sound that is not impressive. I’ll look at both the Takamine and Taylor as a new acoustic 12. I may make the Martin a 6 string, just because of the playability of it.
It's definitely interesting to listen to this video rather than watch. It helps remove the mindset that more expensive = better when you're just judging on tone.
Just curious what your thoughts are on Guild. From what I read, they were regarded as the absolute best sounding 12-string, back in the 60's-80's at least.
Takamine is the one I would get would if I didn't already have a Vangoa. A friend my had one and I loved it. But, the vangoa, plays very well and well enough for me. .Also, Love my Harley Benton 12 string electric, same one you play, and It plays loud enough, without my amp..so I can just pick it up and play. I'am very happy with these two guitars that you reviewed, and would not have them if not for your review, If you don't have a 12 string this video gives you a direction in what to look for, what you can afford, and what you need. Thank You
I def have my sights set on the Taylor 150e, I test played at GC and after picking up about 7 or 8 other guitars, picked the Taylor up between other guitars. Beautiful sound and extremely playable. Currently have a Guild 12 , sounds beautiful, but def a finger workout for the fret hand. Again, def gunning for the Taylor.
I play a high end Taylor but that Vangoa sounds fine to me for sessions and general fun. After my experience with other brands, though, I wonder how long it will last. If it's built to last it's a steal at the price.
Love 12-strings and have a collection of them. In my opinion the three best acoustics are: Gibson J-185-12, Guild F-412 and the Ovation series. The Martin D-35-12, while sounding good, was just too hard for me to play, same with a custom Mossman and Maton; something to do with the dreadnaught body style, I think. I found Taylors to be too 'industrial' - more like pieces of furniture - and the bodies too small for a full tone.
Had a Mitchell Mahogany 12, sounded nice but was not friendly to my left hand ( Arthur syndrome). Replaced it with a Seagull 12 grand auditorium which is more comfortable and has great sound and volume. Try one, they like to be played.
Hey Flavio. In my opinion most of the entry level 12 strings are a very similar quality. Vangoa has shown a genuine interest in improving their guitars. My contact there he's always asking me what they can do better and they've actually made a couple changes based on my suggestions. They also have fantastic customer service. Lastly, the extras that they give you have improved in quality tremendously. The capo, gig bag, Tuner, Strap, Strings, Etc. Are all highly usable especially do newbies into those the owning the aforementioned are a luxury. For all those reasons I think the Vangoa is a good purchase. And quite honestly, I wouldn't bring a $1500 guitar to the beach. My cut off for a campfire is even lower. LOL. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I really appreciate your time and comment. Mark
I own the Takamine 12 and just love it! My 1st 12 was a Lotus, also Japanese, and I learned guitar on it back in the Stone Age (‘70s). The Lotus was so hard to play - high action, bad intonation) it turned me off 12s for decades. I bought the Takamne and it has been fantastic!
Thanks for the comparison, Mark. What higher end Taylor 12 string would you want to own? I am sure you have borrowed or play tested some. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again, brother!
Have you ever looked at Seagulls? My wife bought me a used one for Christmas. It’s got some cosmetic damage, but sounds great and is pretty comfortable to play.
#7. Valuable comparative information on the 12 string guitars. I too, love my Taylor guitar (its a 6 string) I really like the Mackensie & Marr's 12 string. I'm looking for a 12 cutaway. Any recommendations, Mark? (Thanks for your time and effort making this video. It makes buying a 12 guitar easier on the rest of us!)
glad to know where the Ibanez ranked. i've been considering one. not a 12 string but still, their low end i'll just avoid and be checking out Vangoa since a Takamine or Taylor is not in my price range. how about a Martin? i guess you probably have a vid with one. i'll look. so does Vangoa have a full line of guitars?
I agree with you on the Taylor. It just sounds great, but unspectacular to look at. Intonation was very good on the one I played. Takemine, however, I have to disagree. China is a very poor choice for a manufacturer because they build out of green wood; and intonation suffers as time goes by. Now a Japanese-built Takemine at a higher price point with better controls? Perhaps. But who's going to trust them after their Chinese Takemine goes so bad? And what about Martin?
It's a shame Martin; Gibson/Epiphone; Fender; Gretsch and Guild were excluded; especially Guild, which has always been one of the most underrated 12-string acoustics on the market for so long.
I had the Guild F-2512e and my, was it loud. But after 2 or 3 years it was showing signs that it might not last. Guilds are great but buy a superior one. The IBG Epiphone Hummingbird 12 must be worth a look. It would be on my list if I didn't already own a nice Taylor.
I'm not sure what year mine is but I know that all they did was switch the laminate back and sides from Sapele to Walnut for aesthetic reasons. Mine is a little brighter and I'm pretty sure it's Sapele. It's funny, a bunch of people online were talking about how much better one sounds that the other. Bob Taylor himself says there's absolutely no difference in tone. People hear what they want to hear. If it was solid, I would prefer the sapele which is near identical to mahogany . I'm sure I wouldn't hear any difference but sapele is supposed to be slightly better sonically from some source...which probably isn't worth anything. Walnut is nicer looking though. The problem with guitar woods is this. Trees don't decide how often to grow based on guitar prices. Take poplar. Poplar is a fantastic wood for a painted electric. It's light durable and good grain. Fender uses swamp ash and alder on their higher end guitars just to distinguish them from cheaper guitars. Not because it's better. I can tell the difference between a laminate top, laminate back and sides, and solid wood. More by the overall vibration and feel. And there's less high end on a solid wood guitar. Otherwise, I never hear much of a difference. My Koa Taylor and my buddy's Taylor both GS, sound exactly the same. Koa looks amazing though. I have a guitar that's solid Mahogany all over and it sucks. I've gone off the deep end sorry. What was your question? :)
A fair and balanced review. The Takamine did sound the best, but heck the Vangoa was not 1,000,000 miles away...☮💗
Rating Summary:
A: Mitchell D120S 12E $319
B: Ibanez AEG12 $329
C: Takamine GJ72CE-NAT $679
D: Taylor 150e $899
E: Vangoa VA20CE $189
A B C D E
Build Quality 5 5 7 8 5
Sound 4 4 9 8 6
Playability 7 5 4 8 6
Looks 3 5 8 7 5
Value 5 3 6 9 9
Overall 5 4 7 8 7
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Thanks, Mark!
You gotta pick the one that is going to motivate you to play more!! Will be different for everybody!
Thanks, Mark, for a worthwhile comparison. I wound up listening to most of it, as opposed to watching, and found the Vangoa really stood out among the budget-friendly models. Particularly versus the Ibanez; NO comparison.
I hate to dump on Ibanez but I really had to sweeten the sound in post to get anything usable. I hate to say that Vangoa is just as good as all the rest of the cheap 12 strings and it's better made, cheaper, and has better customer service, but that's really what it comes down to.
I don’t have a 12 string acoustic yet. Wish I had a Vangoa…
Vangoa sounds good to my ear or at least good enough to enjoy. Good marks on playability as well. I don't like spending lots of money on anything, including Guitars. Sold!
That Takamine really is pretty. The Vangoa is a good value.
Great review. It was very concise. I have a Takamine GD30CE. It has a split bridge. I didn't notice if yours did, too. It was hard to tell from the pic. I don't know if having a split bridge makes a big difference or not. Long ago, I had a 1982 Yamaha L series 12 string. It was a great guitar. I thought the strings were perfectly spaced whereas, I think my Takamine's strings are a little close to each other. I find it easier to play if I hold it more like a classical player would with the nut at the level of about the bottom of my ear.
I know a guy from Japan (through doing Judo) who tells me that the e at the end of Takamine should be pronounced like the a in cake.
Ventura V-697 was a beautiful sounding guitar, after many years of playing it, It was stolen from me, Miss It So much, I haven't been able to find anything that sounds as good, I've felt musicly crippled ever since, was my Best Friend for 34 years.😢
Hey Larry. Could the guitar just be on vacation? I'm trying to make you smile, not rub it in. That sucks. Maybe it's time to treat yourself to a new one that you've always wanted. I appreciate you checking out the video. Please take care and be well. Mark
Once again you did a great job presenting the information in a fair and balanced way. There is definitely a sound difference among the guitars but when factoring in price the vangoa is hard to beat for someone looking for their first 12 string. Thanks again for sharing your expertise.
That 30 seconds of Hotel California just put me in the market for a 12 string. Also love your Tshirt 👍
Wait how did he play HC without Don Henley copyright blocking him into the shadow realm!?
I own a Takamine GJ 72-12 SB which I find it to be what I need in my usage acoustically and amplified !!!
Thank you for this Mark. I've been looking for a 12 string ever since I traded away my Seagull Coastline 12 a few years ago which I still regret doing. I've tried the Taylor and found it quite comfortable to play but I lean more to shorter scale 12 strings. I rather like the Seagull S-12 and the Art and Lutherie Legacy 12 for that reason along with their concert-sized bodies which are more comfortable for someone with right shoulder issues. Both are under $1000 Canadian ($750 USD ?) My ideal, though, would be a Gibson 12 in sunburst like the one Gordon Lightfoot played but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Yes, that Gibson that Gordon Lightfoot plays is very nice. Unlike me, he makes a living playing it, lol!
If I were to upgrade from my Takamine, Laravee makes a very nice 12 string. I tried one out just before the pandemic and loved it. I almost pulled the trigger for it, but I couldn't justify trading my Takamine, a guitar that I really like, for the Larrave. I can completely understand your regret when you traded your Seagull. I think I'd feel the same way.
That was a great explanation of the 12 strings you've had experience with. I also think you always wanting people to find their personal fit. You don't approach videos with the mine or you're wrong vibe. I really appreciate that.
I don't like talking out of my ass. I can only form an opinion on the things I know and even then, not necessarily a good one. :)
I REALLY LIKE this video. You should do one of these for all of your guitars. At the end of the day, everybody is going to be a little biased but I feel like you take bias out of it better tahn anyone. Thanks Mark!
I would like to hear the same song on all 5 guitars, something that would allow me to hear the real difference comparitively. Dyer maker is a great choice!
Good info Mark! I did get to try a few 12 strings, went with Taylor.
Mark - great info, thanks for sharing your experience with these 12 strings.
Hey Mark that was a very good video especially for someone who doesn't own a 12 string Acoustic yet . I am with you on the Takamine as the most beautiful of all you rated. Yes a jumbo is a bit tougher to play . I have a Gretsch G-5022CWFE Jumbo which is the size of the Takamine.( I am holding it on the Picture you see ) I am 6'3 so a larger Guitar is alright for me. I do agree the hand angles are a bit tricky on a Jumbo. I also Agree that a Vangoa is a great bargain for someone who wants to try out a 12 string for not a lot of cash . You did a excellent job in explaining all of these Guitars
I have my second 12 string. My first was a Sigma which i don't have anymore. I now have an Alvarez 5021 12 string. Love it.
Great video Mark!
I still need to get a 12 string acoustic one day!
I love my Dano electric 12 string.
Rock on 🤘 Mark
Hi Mark. Key thoughts are: How dreadful does the Ibanez sound? And the Mitchell isn't much better for the price point. The Takamine sounds amazing, but maybe not much fun to play. The Taylor is the one to go for if you've got the money, but if like me you haven't, then the Vangoa is brilliant. I have the Vangoa and love it.
Breedlove makes great 12 string guitars , I owned the taylor 150 for a while, the breedlove blew it out of the water and for less money ,Thanks for the good review
Hey brother. I currently have 2 Breedlove guitars. I play traditional chat Atkins style finger style and I reach for the Breedlove most of the time for that. I think the Taylor 150 is a fantastic guitar. To me, it please better than the 254 and 352 or 354, although the 354 does sound a little better. I'm biased towards Taylor. I currently own a custom Koa GS Mini Plus, a 322, a 410, and the 150. I currently own 13 12-string guitars and without a doubt my favorite is the Reverend Airwave 12. I'm getting a Schecter 12 next week and I just picked up a 74 Glen Campbell Signature Ovation 12 in mint condition. I'm thinking of getting rid of the lot and getting a 754, but people that follow the channel enjoy seeing different guitars. Regarding Ovation, I got it for a third of its price. I'm not a big ovation fan. I toured for several years using a custom legend. I hated the thing but it was durable and ALWAYS cut through the mix whenever we played venues with the poor sound system, which was pretty often. I was given 8 new guitars the other day. Guitar Heaven. I just finished shooting a video about it. I'll upload it on Saturday or Sunday. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I sincerely appreciate your time and kind words. Enjoy the rest of your week. Take care and be well. Mark
I have had my eye on a 12 string that is $299 (I think it is either a Taylor or a Takamine)at one the local shops I visit every week. I also keep an eye out for things on the used market. I haven’t bought it yet due to some of my other living expenses so far.
I really enjoyed this video. Great format and where else can you get five reasonably thorough reviews in less than 10 minutes?
I must say, I am very tempted by the Taylor. I haven't played one of their 12-strings but a while back during a song circle, I got a chance to play a Taylor 6-string acoustic, and, well, it was fantastic to play. I've played a number of 6-string guitars, including some high end Martins, but that Taylor was very very nice. My current 6-string is a shallow body Ovationa Applause, and it is a decent guitar. I had originally gotten it because it is the type of instrument that will travel well, and I am hoping to get out and do some camping in my small trailer, and I don't have a problem with bringing the Ovation with me, while I would be concerned with a higher end instrument like a Taylor.
I agree with you my friend, I have a Taylor 814CE, and a 524CE, and the action is great and their play ability is very good, is it possible you can tell me, because I am blind I want to know the trailer and this guitar review, what Taylor is it? I like the fact that he said that the strings or nice and spaced.
@@moisesperez4605 The Taylor I played was a couple of years ago, before the plague, and I can't remember the number, but I do remember how well it played! My trailer is a 13 foot fiberglass camper made by UHaul, known as the CT 13.
Hi totally agree but when should not travel with a high and Guitar, I have two Taylor guitars, the first one is an 814, Rosewood back inside Spruce top, the second one is that 524
But I agree the Taylor guitars are very easy to play, well built. mahogany back inside, their play ability is awesome, and I would not take a high and Guitar as well out there traveling with it, I’m going to try to find something similar to that Taylor Guitar a lower price range. As far as a travel Guitar
The vangoa sounds like a great buy. I’d love to have one.
Vangoa guitar is best value for begiiner. very recommended
Yes, I bought it too, vangoa's service and quality are very good!
Good review, Mark. I hope in the future you will have the chance to play and review some different 12 string guitars other than the five that you reviewed today. I realize it may be difficult to review all of the 12 string makers but who knows what we will see moving forward.
i think the Harley Benton is best value, Crikey you even get a second neck with it! That's value!
Keep up the outstanding content Mark!
As per usual,.. a Taylor is going to stand out for sound and playability. Never played a Taylor 12 but it would be lovely. I was very surprised by the sound of the Vangoa, especially when compared to the Ibanez! The Ibanez did not sound very good compared to any of the guitars! Loved your approach the reviewing in such a manner. Very straight forward as though you're genuinely were helping us shop for a 12 string. No sales pitch and very candid. Refreshing! Thanks for that.
I have a D’Angelo 12 string guitar tea burst I paid just about $600 for it. That didn’t include the cakes. It’s a beautiful guitar I like 12 strings they sound so good and so warm and so beautiful love your video. Have a great day.😄🎸👍
Great video Mark. Here are the 12 string guitars that I have.
Takamine & Co. F-385 12 NAT. I made it acoustic electric by putting in a sound hole pickup
Takamine GD30CE-12 BLK.It’s a great guitar to play. The sound really rings out.
I went with Takamine because that brand is being endorsed by The Eagles and also because my dad has a Takamine EG540C NAT.
For my dad’s 64th birthday, I upgraded his guitar a little bit.
Thanks to eBay, I got him a new preamp and installed it myself. The beauty of the new preamp is that it has a built in digital tuner.
I kept his original endpin jack and piezo pickup stock.
I was able to just plug those in and with just a little bit of drilling, I screwed in the new preamp and it secured right in.
I even gave him an extra strap button and a strap so he can play standing up since his endpin jack doubles as a strap button.
Very Fair Assessment. Thanks for the video..
Mark, you need to add the Breedlove ECO Pursuit S Concert 12-string to your list. It sounds great and is easy to play. The price is good also.
Hey Mark, I know you did the review on guitars you have owned and played. I have Guild and Taylor 12 strings, and they are great. Guild F-1512 and Taylor 355. They are both Jumbo shaped but are very easy to play, especially seated. The Guild is still being made. Play on.
Hey Don. I'm always reluctant to do reviews of stuff that I don't know well. I've heard nothing but good things about the 1512 and I've played the 355. Let's face it. If you're OK with a jumbo the sound of a jumbo 12 string that's well built is really tough to beat. My Takamine sounds incredible. I've never had a problem being 5 7. As a matter of fact, the world is built better for shorter people...except when it comes to jumbo guitars. Lol. They are tough for me to play. I appreciate the feedback. Hopefully viewers interested in those guitars will sew your comment. I really appreciate you taking the time to check out the video and comment. Have a great week and take care. Mark
Hey Mark, I basically love a Jumbo shaped guitar, as I find they have great natural balance. And all those curves can make for some extended action with the sound waves bouncing around in odd directions. I'm a little over 5'8" with wide shoulders which helps. My favorite six string is an X-braced rosewood Taylor 818 Grand Orchestra. It's a Jumbo with a wider waist, and has a monster sound if you want it, but also handles gentle stuff very nicely. I fingerpick everything using my nails as picks. Be well.
Don
Over here in Finland, the Takamine is going for 499 €, while the Taylor is 999 €, so I'm going for the Takamine, sounds like an amazing deal.
I was a bit worried about the playability, since a couple of videos talked about it, but looks like the nut width is the same on both, and I'm not really worried about the jumbo size, since I already have a 6-string jumbo (which I would assume to be a similar size, although it's a different manufacturer). Hopefully the action isn't too high, but another video mentioned that there are shims under the bridge pieces (from the factory), so could just take those out.
Thanks for an honest review, feels like you didn't pull any punches.
Vangoa & Mitchell are my favorites, 60’s & 70’s memories 🤍
I like takamine, but I'm biased
Finally after being block from commenting for 12hrs., I can finally do so again ! The review was great Mark ! Your opinion is always straight forward and honest. Thank for keeping it Real !
Great reviews. When I win the loto, I’ll try the Taylor. I keep holding out hopes for a Vangoa. One thing that is concerning about the Vangoa is there great customer service. Kinda says their customer service is needed frequently. What is the most common issue with the Vangoa? Doesn’t matter… sounds great and as long as it’s an easy player, I’ll take it! lol
Drooling for that Takamine. I love the look of big jumbos and that one is gorgeous. (They fit me fine.)
I have an Ovation 12 string Elite 2758AX. It has an awesome sound.Especially, when plugged in. I picked it used at a good price. I play mostly 6 string and electric. But always wanted a 12string. Always had my eye on the 2758 model. So, when it finally came around, I had to get it. And the price was right. It retails for about $1800 I believe. I've only had it for a few months, so I'm still learning and figuring it out.But I love it. Just have to get used pushing down a little harder. Especially, after playing electric.
I’ve had a Seagull S12, the Vangoa, but ended up with a Martin D28-12. Blows all 12 strings away. Yes it probably cost more but I bought mine on the used market for $1700. I use it in my band to play country songs; it’s l ways up for the task and is very pleasant to the ear, I just can’t put it down some days. It’s in my guitar arsenal to stay. I now have the Martin D28 6 string and 12 string, all I’ll ever need! You’ll go through life buying and selling guitars; losing money on each. I love playing guitar, it’s a big part of my life, why not get the best.
Here I am! 🤠 How's it going? JJ
Good stuff. Thanks my friend
I have yet to hear a twelve string with a laminate top that pleased me, i fact i have not heard a really reasonable sounding laminate top in any form, i think that its the top that gives a guitar its tone.
The taylor is about one of the nicest sounding of all.
I did have a remarkable red cedar top that was very well braced and that really had depth to it, but i forget who it was made by.
Eight years ago I bought my first 12 string guitar, a Takamine GD30CE-12NAT, and I couldn't agree more with your review. They are very well built guitars and they sound amazing. Even though the G-Series are built in China, they are constructed to the high quality standards that Takamine is famous for. This guitar is an electroacoustic and a tuner is included, which is very handy to have on a 12 string. The electronics are high quality and easy to use. It truly is the best bang for your buck when compared to the more expensive Martin and Taylor instruments. Personally I would stick to the dreadnought size over the jumbo, but the choice is yours. You can't go wrong with a Takamine.
When I heard the Vangoa .....
I thought ..... wow.... good sound for basically no money .
I don't prefer the aesthetics of that one in the vid but really for that price point .... 😳
Love the Taylor, but my, the Vangoa seems like a true bargain for the occasional user (i.e. me!) Thanks for an informative vid mate.
I have had 12 string guitars for many years. I've had a few 6 strings but didn't like them so I sold them after maybe a few months of having them. I presently own two 12 string guitars, a 2004 Songbird model 212 made in Cranberry Pen, and I own a 2019 Taylor 150e. I do not own any 6 string guitars at all because my 12 strings have me spoiled to the point that I can't find a 6 string I really like, well, that's what my wife says anyway. great reviews BTW!
Great review Mark. Thanks! I always appreciate your guitar reviews.
I have one acoustic 12 string now but it won’t be my last. And my next guitar will be the Eastwood Classic electric 12 string you reviewed awhile back.
Pretty sure I’ll be getting at least one more acoustic 12 string too.
I am fortunate enough to own a 1966 Harmony 12 string I bought in 1967. Never give it up
This is the only one of your shows I didn't manage to watch live for ages Mark, so I have just watched it now. Some nice comparisons there but you threw me with the photo of the Takamine as it wasa only a 6 string one but I was pleased to see that you did actually play the 12 string model 😎
I've had my 1979 Guild F212XL for near 40 years. Stunning power and chime. It is a handful to play, but just wondaful tone. No top out with aggressive strumming. I prefer playing arpeggio style when possible on my 12.
I had that takamine and I kept trying to work with it to make it sound better and I ended up selling it. I did play the Taylor 12 string at a guitar center and that is the nicest neck I’ve ever played on a 12 string.
Now you've got me looking for my 12-string fix all over CZcams. I just listened to Roy Clark "Ghost Riders in the Sky" smoking hot in Branson 1990s
nice that you played some Rush with that Taylor.
Thx for this comparison, Mark. Helpful to us sitting on the fence. Cheers.
Love your rating
I am looking for the 12 string that would be best for me. You have given me much to think about. Thank you
i just bought my first 12 string. A Guild F-2512CE. sounds great but it really needs a setup. will report back once she gets an actual setup done.
I always love a Takamine, especially the jumbo 12s. Great video as always. Thanks for posting!
Thanks for the recommendation, I happened to be looking for a 12 string guitar and the Vangoa was perfect for me.😀
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Thank you Mark for these evaluations. I have Martin Mexico 12 string. While I really like the playability of it, it’s the sound that is not impressive. I’ll look at both the Takamine and Taylor as a new acoustic 12. I may make the Martin a 6 string, just because of the playability of it.
It's definitely interesting to listen to this video rather than watch. It helps remove the mindset that more expensive = better when you're just judging on tone.
Just curious what your thoughts are on Guild. From what I read, they were regarded as the absolute best sounding 12-string, back in the 60's-80's at least.
Really appreciate the reviews as I am looking to purchase a great 12 string guitar! Thank you!
Takamine is the one I would get would if I didn't already have a Vangoa. A friend my had one and I loved it. But, the vangoa, plays very well and well enough for me. .Also, Love my Harley Benton 12 string electric, same one you play, and It plays loud enough, without my amp..so I can just pick it up and play. I'am very happy with these two guitars that you reviewed, and would not have them if not for your review, If you don't have a 12 string this video gives you a direction in what to look for, what you can afford, and what you need. Thank You
I def have my sights set on the Taylor 150e, I test played at GC and after picking up about 7 or 8 other guitars, picked the Taylor up between other guitars. Beautiful sound and extremely playable. Currently have a Guild 12 , sounds beautiful, but def a finger workout for the fret hand. Again, def gunning for the Taylor.
I play a high end Taylor but that Vangoa sounds fine to me for sessions and general fun. After my experience with other brands, though, I wonder how long it will last. If it's built to last it's a steal at the price.
Love 12-strings and have a collection of them. In my opinion the three best acoustics are: Gibson J-185-12, Guild F-412 and the Ovation series. The Martin D-35-12, while sounding good, was just too hard for me to play, same with a custom Mossman and Maton; something to do with the dreadnaught body style, I think. I found Taylors to be too 'industrial' - more like pieces of furniture - and the bodies too small for a full tone.
Great video Mark and great for anyone looking for a great value 12 string 😀🤘🎵🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for your thoughts on those guitars you have some real time with. Great riffs! BTW, I enjoy my Vangoa, they really are a good value
Had a Mitchell and it was so good.
Had a Mitchell Mahogany 12, sounded nice but was not friendly to my left hand ( Arthur syndrome). Replaced it with a Seagull 12 grand auditorium which is more comfortable and has great sound and volume. Try one, they like to be played.
So the Vangoa is the best for a camp fire or a beach. Very interesting video!
Hey Flavio. In my opinion most of the entry level 12 strings are a very similar quality. Vangoa has shown a genuine interest in improving their guitars. My contact there he's always asking me what they can do better and they've actually made a couple changes based on my suggestions. They also have fantastic customer service. Lastly, the extras that they give you have improved in quality tremendously. The capo, gig bag, Tuner, Strap, Strings, Etc. Are all highly usable especially do newbies into those the owning the aforementioned are a luxury. For all those reasons I think the Vangoa is a good purchase. And quite honestly, I wouldn't bring a $1500 guitar to the beach. My cut off for a campfire is even lower. LOL. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I really appreciate your time and comment. Mark
I own the Takamine 12 and just love it! My 1st 12 was a Lotus, also Japanese, and I learned guitar on it back in the Stone Age (‘70s). The Lotus was so hard to play - high action, bad intonation) it turned me off 12s for decades. I bought the Takamne and it has been fantastic!
Thanks for the comparison, Mark. What higher end Taylor 12 string would you want to own? I am sure you have borrowed or play tested some. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again, brother!
Outstanding review .
Please review the Yamaha FG 8012 .
I have one and would love your opinion.
Really appreciated the tips and tricks when buying a 12 string you hide in your video's. After #9 stil looking for more tips 😀
Great video
rock on, jimmy dean
Thank you 😊
Good job, Mark, I bought a Vangoa 6 string guitar before, that's amazing. I would love to try their 12 string.
Have you ever looked at Seagulls? My wife bought me a used one for Christmas. It’s got some cosmetic damage, but sounds great and is pretty comfortable to play.
#7. Valuable comparative information on the 12 string guitars. I too, love my Taylor guitar (its a 6 string) I really like the Mackensie & Marr's 12 string. I'm looking for a 12 cutaway. Any recommendations, Mark? (Thanks for your time and effort making this video. It makes buying a 12 guitar easier on the rest of us!)
Thanks Mark. I thought the Vangoa sounded great for the money. Keep the videos coming.
glad to know where the Ibanez ranked. i've been considering one. not a 12 string but still, their low end i'll just avoid and be checking out Vangoa since a Takamine or Taylor is not in my price range. how about a Martin? i guess you probably have a vid with one. i'll look.
so does Vangoa have a full line of guitars?
Thanks. Always great info.
You can tell you really dig the Taylor....
Great, Mark!! Thanks!!
I agree with you on the Taylor. It just sounds great, but unspectacular to look at. Intonation was very good on the one I played. Takemine, however, I have to disagree. China is a very poor choice for a manufacturer because they build out of green wood; and intonation suffers as time goes by. Now a Japanese-built Takemine at a higher price point with better controls? Perhaps. But who's going to trust them after their Chinese Takemine goes so bad?
And what about Martin?
Thank you, very informational.
I like the Taylor, but it's not a low cost guitar. Please do a comparison of the entry level Martin, Seagull, Guild, Alvarez, Epiphone
It's a shame Martin; Gibson/Epiphone; Fender; Gretsch and Guild were excluded; especially Guild, which has always been one of the most underrated 12-string acoustics on the market for so long.
I had the Guild F-2512e and my, was it loud. But after 2 or 3 years it was showing signs that it might not last. Guilds are great but buy a superior one.
The IBG Epiphone Hummingbird 12 must be worth a look. It would be on my list if I didn't already own a nice Taylor.
Hey Mark… which Taylor 150e are you playing? Sapele or walnut? Sounds great, but they did switch woods in 2017?
I'm not sure what year mine is but I know that all they did was switch the laminate back and sides from Sapele to Walnut for aesthetic reasons. Mine is a little brighter and I'm pretty sure it's Sapele. It's funny, a bunch of people online were talking about how much better one sounds that the other. Bob Taylor himself says there's absolutely no difference in tone. People hear what they want to hear. If it was solid, I would prefer the sapele which is near identical to mahogany . I'm sure I wouldn't hear any difference but sapele is supposed to be slightly better sonically from some source...which probably isn't worth anything. Walnut is nicer looking though. The problem with guitar woods is this. Trees don't decide how often to grow based on guitar prices. Take poplar. Poplar is a fantastic wood for a painted electric. It's light durable and good grain. Fender uses swamp ash and alder on their higher end guitars just to distinguish them from cheaper guitars. Not because it's better. I can tell the difference between a laminate top, laminate back and sides, and solid wood. More by the overall vibration and feel. And there's less high end on a solid wood guitar. Otherwise, I never hear much of a difference. My Koa Taylor and my buddy's Taylor both GS, sound exactly the same. Koa looks amazing though. I have a guitar that's solid Mahogany all over and it sucks. I've gone off the deep end sorry. What was your question? :)
Very interesting comparison. Thanks