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it's crazy that you guys said she sounds like Ellie because as everyone is pointing out, she's the actress that plays Ellie in the games. very nice.
games, not game. there are the two of them.
@@vault29a true
The actress who plays Ellie’s mom is the actress that plays Ellie in the video games
Wow that's so cool!! Thanks for the info 😎
Seeing as everyone she ever cared about keeps dying because of her, she wanted her immunity to mean something
The next phase is crazy crazy... I pray they don't change anything
and the actress that plays marlene is the same one in game and tv show
Ellie is suffering of classic survivers guilt. A person and certainly a child in that state should never be allowed to sacrifice their life for "good". Their choice would not be fully free.@@munambah4337
It wasn't "people" that healed Joel. Not Tess, or Tommy. It was Ellie. Notice how the camera lingers on their faces. He holds eye contact so she understands he's talking about her. You can see the moment she gets it. That scene was sooo meaningful. Felt like missing "baby girl" again. 😂 But I love you guys. Your enthusiasm is really fun.
“ It wasn’t time that did it.” “ I’m glad that didn’t work out.” “ Me too. “ That’s Joel and Ellie speak for “ I love you. “. “ I love you too.”
YES! Glad someone else got that.
Pedro Pascal just won Outstanding performance by male actor in a drama series at the Screen Actors Guild Awards for his role in the show, very much well deserved.
You said something in the last reaction video about Joel “he’d kill the whole world for her” when you said it I just smiled knowing what was coming 😬😂
Haha yeah....🫣🤭
That wasn't a big surprise for me. My dad before the game, in 2007? he said he would kill anybody for my mom, my sister or for me, implying that even if it was the whole world for us. Unfortunately or fortunately a lot of people when is about loved ones, will do the same, and of course I would.
The woman who played Ellie's mom in the beginning is the voice and motion capture actress for Ellie in the game
She appeared in Avengers too.... The Giraffe scene is one of the most beautiful in the story....
I think you guys have nailed it -- Ellie would absolutely have chosen to be sacrificed if her sacrifice would give meaning to the deaths of the people she cared about. Even if it's only a chance. But Marlene was too afraid that she would refuse, so she didn't ask, which gave Joel an excuse to "rescue" Ellie. And Joel was also too afraid to tell her the truth, because he KNEW that Ellie would have chosen to be sacrificed, so he couldn't afford to let her know that -- he had to lie and pretend that there's lots of other kids like her so the Fireflies already know that her sacrifice wouldn't help. It's just an excuse, though. To be honest, if Marlene had asked, if Ellie herself had gotten to talk to Joel, even if they knew 100% that her sacrifice would result in a cure... I believe Joel wouldn't have been able to let her go. She had become everything to him. There was no other choice for him but to save her; he wasn't going to let another daughter die for some abstract concept like a cure.
Ellie is a child, caught in between two people who put their own agendas above her choice, and she's the one who has to live with the consequences of the choices THEY made. On some level, she seems to know that he's not telling the truth... but she has to force herself to accept his answer, because he's the only person she has left, and if he's lying, then Riley and Tess and Sam and everyone else died "for nothing".
The tragedy and the morality of the ending is fascinating. A+ game, A+ show.
This is such an amazing series, some of the best performances of the last few years 👌🏻 ah, with the “cover her ears” thing; it wasn’t just out of principle or trying to alleviate any trauma, but also for physical safety - she’s a newborn, a gunshot could damage her eardrums (Can also damage adult eardrums too, especially over time, which is why Joel has bad hearing in one ear).
Ellie isn’t really crazy or ‘psycho’, she’s just angry and hardened by her environment. She’s actually responding pretty normally to the world that she was born into. She never got to see the world as it was before the outbreak, she was born into violence and danger and trauma, so she’s responding pretty accordingly 😂 and she of course hates the outbreak and the infected for what it’s done to the people that she loves, and so killing that trapped infected in the earlier episode was just her taking that out on an easy target. And maybe some morbid curiosity, as it’s probably pretty rare that she would have gotten to see a live infected that close perhaps…
Loving your reactions guys, your enthusiasm and investment into the story and the characters is amazing and so endearing! Keep up the amazing work guys, it’s so appreciated! 🎉 thank you both! xxx
I loved rewatching the show again with you guys. To answer a question you brought up: both Ellie's actors have said that Ellie would 100% choose to die for the chance of a cure. Joel knew that and couldn't let her have that choice because he was not going to lose her. The showrunner Craig Mazin was adamant that the show copy the ending of the game (from the elevator on) exactly. There are comparison videos on IGN's channel that show side-by-side scenes from the game and show, I highly recommend now that you've finished!
Also, that giraffe was real (shots were filmed in his pen in our zoo), people can visit and feed Nabo themselves!
What a “father” would do for his daughter”
Joe is a survivor. Some people will always make it through. An alpha wolf. Would Ellie have sacrificed herself even though there was no guarantee that her death would be a cure? Another great series with Pedro Pascal is "Narcos" season 1. He plays a DEA agent working in Colombia.
also for the last shot
she knows he’s lying but accepts his lie
You summarized it perfectly! "If loving her was the strongest thing pushing him at that moment he wouldn't have lied. But he was more scared of losing her. His relationship with her was more important to him than herself." Spot on! You really should play the games while you wait for season 2.
"His relationship with her was more important to him than herself." You could feel this shift immediately.
What’s funny is to recreate that senerio of Ellie’s mom would be 1 and a million because a lot of those children and mothers would be shot on sight and even if another child were to pop up immune they would have to get bit and survive past 24hrs away from ppl which isn’t impossible just not in this likelyhood
Ahhhhh been waiting for this. Hope to see you next season! 🙌
Hope to see you in our next content as well🥰🤭
That ending is perfect. It was the top thing I was desperate for the show to keep from the game, and it's worth pointing out that back in the day it wasn't just a cliffhanger, game fans didn't know there would be a Part 2 until years later, this was just how it ended. Personally I love Part 2 even more, but Part 1 could've ended there and still been great.
On the Fireflies, the ironic thing is if they had just asked Ellie I'm absolutely sure none of this would've happened. Joel would not have openly defied Ellie's wishes and the Fireflies would have their cure, but to ask you have to be willingly to take no for an answer, and the Fireflies aren't. They're not going to let the cure for mankind walk out the door to be torn apart by clickers, murdered by raiders, or live to the ripe old age of 83 while the rest of humanity goes extinct.
If anything their mistake was not being manipulative enough to ask her, hoping to gain her consent but do the surgery no matter what, or ruthless enough to kill Joel before he could interfere.
They are only now beginning to film season two this week I think. It probably won’t air until the end of next year at the earliest!
I will say I channeled my inner Joel this point in the game. Just mowing through soldiers felt pretty good despite my personal thoughts on whether he was right or not.
The ending was perfect, and exactly as it was in the game. 😊
Not gonna spoil anything from the next game/season. All I'm gonna say is.
You're probably not ready for it 😁
Great reaction 👍
you guys would love "breaking bad" and its spin off show " better call Saul" they also just started filming season 2 of tlou so we should have it 2025 hopefully!
We are watching breaking bad on Patreon right now 😊 my (ayala) first time watching🤯
Marleen should have let Ellie decide herself.
And Joel should have exercised more restraint with the doctor - blast the guy in the foot or ass cheek or something instead. That would have worked without killing the doctor. And JOEL should have told Ellie the WHOLE Truth RIGHT AWAY!
But, alas, we are all human.
All we do is make mistakes and (hopefully) learn from them.
This was so much fun to watch with you guys!
Ty for the reaction!!
Please be well and safe wherever you are ❤ 🙏
22:30 - 😅😅😅
"Who is he?"
"Whats his name"
"Where does he live?" 😅
You guys are so funny
Prepare your hearts for the strong emotions of the second season that will come in 2025, whose theme is: reckoning
He was scared of her reaction because he knows Ellie wanted to save the world and would have sacrificed herself
But a child and also a person suffering from survivors guilt are not mentally sane enough to sacrifice their own life. It's morally wrong and a proper doctor would not allow it. No point in saving human kind if humanity dies with it.
42:18 - I totally agree. REMEMBER that we don't know if the surgery would even work. It's AN EXPERIMENT! In fact, first attempt experiments fail more often than they succeed. There was no guarantee the procedure would work - it could end Ellie's life for NO REASON
If it wouldn't work then it removes the moral complexity from the story.
It adds to it, not only are they willing to sacrifice a child with survivors guilt, they are willing to sacrifice her with no guarantee of the experiment succeeding. A proper doctor would not risk killing the only confirmed immune person, even if he didn't care about the humanity in killing children. @@c4v3m4n27
also the fungus doesn’t grow in the brain, it wraps itself around the muscles
so it definitely wouldn’t have worked
My wife had cataracts, and has just had eye surgery, she can now see without glasses, she keeps putting them on and she laughs at the blurred vision, so something of a miracle for her. I wish you a long life without glasses😀
Haha wow! We are so happy for your wife! 💓
Thank you 😊
RIP mamma Ellie ❤
I teally enjoyed your reactions throughout this series, I look forward to what comes next
People tend to also assume the supposed "cure" would have been successful. The forget that Ellie would have been there for only an hour or so before rushing her into brain surgery to try and get stuff to then create an unprecedented cure/vaccine. All done in a worn down hospital with equipment that has most likely barely been taken care of for 20 years.
This being done when you have 2 experts, that studied and practiced in a non-apocalyptic world say this thing does not exist, and is not possible. Yet a doctor working in much worse conditions, with far fewer resources is supposed to be able to do this thing with only an hour to examine Ellie? That quickly you are going to jump to life ending brain surgery? Ending the life of the only known person with an immunity? You are going to risk all of that, that quickly? It just seems foolish to me, to think anything about the way the fireflies handled it was correct.
Exactly. Plus there’s no way the fireflies had the resources to manufacture and distribute a drug. Just think about the resources that multinational multibillion dollar pharma corps today need to develop new drugs. And that’s with whole campuses of world class research facilities and small armies of specialized researchers.
Also don’t think Ellie could really be asked to choose. She’s clearly depressed and traumatized. And she’s a 14 yo kid. You can’t really ask a traumatized child if she’s willing to give her life to supposedly save the world.
Thank you both so much for your passionate reactions this season! I can’t wait to see your reaction to next season when it eventually releases.
Thanks so much for being here ❤️ hope you will enjoy our next content 😊
Throughout the whole story, they made a point of showing different ways that people can love each other. Joel and Tess, where Tess knew that Ellie would be a real cure and sacrifices herself for the greater good of mankind. Bill and Frank, where Bill not only chooses honour Frank's wishes and kill the love of his life, but also decides to go out with him. Sam and Henry, where Henry sacrifices Sam for Ellie, and then feels compelled to kill himself when his purpose is now gone. Kathleen, who takes her rage out on anyone she can for the murder of the brother she loved. Riley and Ellie, who decide to just let luck decide what happens next and lose their minds together. Ellie's mom, who lied to Marleen about when she cut the cord in the hopes of saving her baby. All of these stories show how love can be selfish or selfless. All of these people lost someone that gave their life purpose. Unlike Ellie's mom, Joel decided to lie to protect himself from more loss. His was a selfish love. He more or less chose to doom the planet for his love. Ellie's purpose was to save the world, and Joel chose to take that from her so that he could continue to have a purpose. Obviously, the Fireflies should have given Ellie the choice, but Ellie would have sacrificed herself for this cure. In the scene before, she made a point of saying 'There is no half-way with this' and 'After everything I've done, it can't be for nothing.' Then at the end, she made a point of listing all of the good people that were sacrificed to get her to that hospital. Riley, Tess, Sam... because Joel couldn't bear to lose his purpose, they all died for nothing. A lot of it boils down to what Frank said: "Do you love me? Then love me like I want you to" and "Paying attention to things, that's how we show love". Ellie wanted to save the world but Joel didn't give her that.
Joel did what he did not for Ellie but for himself.. Joel is not a hero, he’s a survivor and he couldn’t live the possibility of being alone once again..
10:03 Thank you Ashley, you did an amazing job in this role and as OG Ellie. If Ashley does not get an Emmy for this I shall be personally offended on her behalf. 15:27 Straight out of the game. A most beautiful moment in Ellie's life. 19:13 NOT in the game. The game has Joel as this Ultimate badass (which he is) that has only one flaw the Murder of Sarah. HBO made Joel HUMAN. He is older, going deaf from all the shooting, has the ultimate burden of having killed innocents and he tried and failed at taking himself out. That is why I want to give him a big hug. Damn you Naughty Dog & HBO for making me cry; AGAIN.
I'm on both sides. If it was ME immune and given the choice I would let the surgery happen For All Mankind (if you know you know). But if it was MY segregate Daughter I would do just what Joel did. No hesitation.
The Emmys already happened.
@@Skylaman Results? Did she get one?
No. She wasn't nominated. The only acting Emmy was Nick Offerman.
@@wendydarling5790 I am personally offended on her behalf. Happy Nick got one.
Storm Reid won as well for playing Riley as well.
Cure for what though? No immunity is gonna save you from being torn apart and eaten.
New season probably next year! So not bad timing to finish this season. Haha
there will be a season 2 and maybe 3 based on the 2nd game. this ending has been debated since the game came out people choose sides lol. they will began shooting season 2 soon the strike delayed a lot of things. well if you want more zombies there is black summer and FROM
It was confirmed by Bella Ramsey that Ellie definitely knew Joel was lying about something and she was giving him that last chance to come clean and he didn’t. So yes Ellie can’t trust Joel anymore
I guess I read a different interview. Bella said Ellie chose to believe Joel because the alternative was unthinkable.
@@wendydarling5790 I found this quote from Neil Druckman
Druckmann: Ellie didn't know beforehand what would happen to her at the hospital, but when she knows Joel has lied, she's able to figure out what would have happened to her. She's a smart girl. I agree with each interpretation, and she's going through every one in her head - but at no point do we ever feel she believes the lie. That is not on the table, she's already doing the math asking why Joel would possibly do all of this and the only reason could be because I was going to die.
That’s was so freaking amazing about the game/show there isn’t a clear answer and each of us can imagine what these characters may or may not be thinking for whatever reasons.
Next series gonna be Sherlock right? 🤩🤩
EVERYONE is allways surprised by joels lies at the end but unless you are a parent you dont realise the things you will do to protect a Child he lies to her to protect her from what HE Did and also to let her have what kind of normal life she can have. parents often lie to their kids to protect them.as far as joel is concerned now Ellie is his daughter and he will do whatever he can to protect her,
The reason why Marlene did not tell Ellie anything before surgery, is because in hope of a cure, they would have killed here no matter what she would have answered or agreed to, no matter how small a chance that it would have worked anyway, when you only have one shot at this, and not being able to make any tests, because Ellie would be the only test sample in any case.
At the start of both episode 1 and 2, we are told by experts that finding a cure for this is impossible, and early on we are told by Joel that they have failed finding a cure many times before.
With all that in mind, any sane parent would have done everything to save their child, exactly like Joel did. There would also be no reason to have any trust in the science of this broken a world, full of religious nuts and ruthless fanatics constantly fighting to control the QZ's. It's the lies at the end, and so leaving her no choice at all, that makes his decisions comparable to Marlene's.
Marlene also defeat her own argument of Joel not being able to keep Ellie alive and from being "ripped apart" by the infected in the future to come, because if she really believed being immune do not really help Ellie from being killed, then what is the point of killing her in an attempt to make other people immune but equally in great risk of being killed by the already infected anyway
Ironically I think FEDRA would have had a better chance at discovering the cure with Ellie than the Fireflies. If they indeed did study her instead of killing her. Hard to know what they would have done.
Glasses are sexy.
Watch Beef! It's great, good for reactions, only 10 eps, and it won the Emmy. 🏆
Enjoy you guys, but PLEASE make it maybe 70% reacting to what is going on at the moment and 30% guessing what will happen next instead if vice versa.
Lovely reaction thankoo .. the surgeon who was going to harvest Ellie's brain was not even a proper surgeon .. he was a botanist so it was a wild gamble.
Omg what?? That's a crazy gamble! 🥵
He was a surgeon. I can only think of one reason to think he was a botanist but having played both games many times, he was a surgeon.
@@thisnameisunique I can only repeat what Neil Druckmann said and he would know 😃
I seem to recall it was mentioned he was training to be a doctor when the outbreak happened. In some recording or something @@thisnameisunique
Theres no 100% that ellie would "cure" anyone... infact it wouldnt help unless its like how she was born...
All this is game/show logic. In real life, treatments would have been possible from the beginning, cordyceps wouldn’t have infected such a large percentage of the population just as it doesn’t infect a large percentage of ants, and the idea of killing the potential cure right away wouldn’t have been on the table.
The Fireflies are also incompetent, FEDRA would honestly have been better at studying Ellie if they had discovered her infection. Could have killed her instantly, but I think she could have had a chance at survival as well. If the right person discovered her (like her "officer" in FEDRA school.@@thisnameisunique
you should play the frist game... and the second one if you want to be spoiled for season 2 and 3.... because season 2 started filming yesterday and it will have only seven episodes and it will be into 2 seasons.... so... play the game... at least seson part 1... so you can see the small differences between the game and the show... i think the show nailed it and probably even did it better... something that never happens in adaptations... adaptations most of the time suck... not this one... btw loved your reaction.
My biggest issue in the show and the game is that the fire flies were in such a hurry. They should have just waited till she woke up and asked her. She would have agreed and it would give her a chance to talk to Joel and maybe even help him come to terms with it. At least stop him from killing everyone.
To ask you have be willingly to take no for an answer, and the Fireflies aren't. There's no circumstance where they let the cure for mankind and everything they've been fighting for for twenty years walk out the door. It's ironic because she would've agreed, but they didn't know that.
@@Fangtorn yeah but they could have easily asked for face value. Especially since Marlene knew she would say yes. Then worst case scenario if she says no you just force her anyway. Still smarter than thinking a notorious person not to F with would happily just walk out after traveling with this girl for MONTHS without even saying goodbye.
Joel would have stopped it from happening, even if Ellie agreed
@@reliablereindeer I don't think so, that would mean openly defying Ellie's wishes, basically kidnapping her, and destroying their relationship. She's not going to want anything to do with him, or let him be around to protect her. It would probably kill Joel to lose Ellie, but I don't see him gunning the Fireflies down while she's begging him not to.
@@Fangtorn Joel answers this in part 2.
And now y’all finished y’all can see another big problem. This post apocalyptic “zombie” infected world is VERY light on infected. I get they focused on character development and they did wonderfully but the infected is a pretty big part of the story.
I never found much to debate about with the ending. Marlene and the Fireflies confirmed to Joel they were about to murder Ellie - and hours earlier Ellie told Joel she wanted a future with him afterwards. Of course he's going to prevent Ellie's murder from happening.
The Fireflies pretty much became an unethical, inhumane, murderous cult by this point - regardless of what their organisation's original purpose may have been. Sometimes things begin with good intentions, before they become increasingly warped.
"and hours earlier Ellie told Joel she wanted a future with him afterwards."
That's a very selective reading of that conversation. The crux of that exchange is Joel saying "Hey, we don't need to keep risking our lives to find the Fireflies, it's always almost gotten us killed, let's just go back to Jackson," and Ellie saying "No, we can go back to Jackson _after_ we find the Fireflies, but everything I've gone through has to be for something, there is no halfway." That is Ellie saying the priority is finding the Fireflies even if it means they die trying. If Ellie is willing to die just to _find_ the Fireflies, not even knowing a cure is possible, not even knowing she _will_ find the Fireflies, then she'd absolutely sacrifice herself for a cure, even a small chance of a cure.
Imo, it's kinda ridiculous to lambaste the Fireflies as an "unethical, inhumane, murderous cult" for wanting to sacrifice one girl to save the entire human race in a world where girls like Ellie are torn apart by clickers, murdered by raiders, or by _actual_ murderous cults that are also led by pedophiles on a daily basis. It's missing the forest for the trees. The Fireflies are deeply flawed, they deserve to be criticized for whether their activities have done anything but make things worse in the last twenty years, but they _are_ trying to save the world.
@@Fangtorn It isn't 'selective'. It literally is what she says to him (Afterwards we'll go wherever you want, I'll follow you anywhere). 😆
At no point have they even discussed the possibility of dying to make a cure. In that exact moment when Joel is informed by Marlene they are about to murder Ellie he has no other frame of reference other than to prevent that from happening.
@@Fangtorn Also, as for your second point. I'm sorry, but you can't claim to want to save humanity and then lose your humanity at the very first step by murdering a child without consent. Those two concepts are not compatible.
That mindset was always going to lead to ruin. The ending pretty much proves it - if they hadn't chosen to murder Ellie, and spoke to her and Joel about it humanely instead, Ellie would have likely talked Joel round.
I always viewed that as the real lesson here; basically, however bad the state of the world is in, you have to keep hold of your humanity. The Fireflies had truly lost sight of that.
Like I said, whatever their good intentions may have been back in the day, by this point their mode of operating had become horrifically warped. They have all the signs of being cult-like, so the description fits.
@@MrPicklerwoof No, it is selective because you're literally selecting the part where she agreed to follow him and ignoring the massively pointed _afterwards_ part. Her willingness to return to Jackson was predicated on finding the Fireflies _first_ no matter the danger, no matter the risk, no matter that success was not a given.
If Joel been all "Gee whiz Ellie, we're almost at the Fireflies, do you wanna go back to Wyoming afterwards?" and Ellie had been like "Oh boy Joel, I can't wait to live in Jackson once this Firefly thing is wrapped up," then you'd have a point. That was not the tenor of the conversation.
Of course dying for the cure was was never discussed, but dying trying to find the Fireflies was a readily apparent and repeatedly demonstrated risk that Ellie willingly accepted. That was the point of that conversation.
Again, in a world where human life is dirt cheap, where girls like Ellie are killed en masse for much less, it is absurd to me to value the life or informed consent of one girl over all those others. Even if the Fireflies were sacrificing their humanity to save humanity it would still be worth it. What's their moral virtue over the survival of the species? You could also easily argue if they'd been _more_ inhumane and just killed Joel they would've succeeded.
@@Fangtorn No, it isn't selective. Ellie's words about finding the Fireflies and seeing it through were based on them taking her blood; it was worth the risk travelling there, with Joel providing protection, to give the Fireflies a chance of making a cure. They both agreed on that.
But you're evading my main point: At that exact moment when Joel finds out Ellie is to be murdered, his only frame of reference is the knowledge she wants a future with him (which she explicitly confirms earlier) and that she never once talked to him about giving her life for this. Taking a risk to get there and sacrificing herself are not the same thing.
As for your last point, it's clear you and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to the value of a single human life, so there's not much point discussing that. I feel the ending itself proves my point anyway. Losing their humanity towards one human is what directly leads to their own downfall.
19:55 No he meant her and only her and she understood. You're talking so much over the actual dialogue instead of paying attention to it and to the acting that the most touching moment of the whole season has went over your head. Alas, still great video!
I watched all their reactions and have the same feeling. They are so insistent on trying to guess what's going to happen based on nothing, but they miss and misinterpret plainly outlined character traits. It's really baffling. Like their whole thing with Ellie being a psycho or somehow crazy from cordyceps? Even after the conversation where Ellie leans toward the "i have to help if I can, no matter what, theres no turning back" attitude, they still say something about Ellie being selfish? Of course they should have given Ellie a choice, but the whole point of the ending is these two people who are taking away Ellie's agency for their own reasons. For Joel it's that he cannot lose another daughter, can't let Ellie die at any cost. For Marlene it's her saving the world at any cost.
well... I think Joel's decision about killing the Doctor it was very bad for him... especially for the people that knows the second part of the game..
You missed the baby girl because to talk to much. Speculate all the time you need to just watch it not talk all the way through
Maybe you should watch another channel if you don't like their way of watching?
I have the Cure for this outbreak. We see Anna was in labor when she was infected and cut the cord on Ellie straight away. As such Ellie is immune. If Ellie was not gay and had a baby that child would be immune. So get a pregnant woman , when she goes into labor infect her just like Anna. Thirty or fourty of these cases and the next generation would be immune.
Just because Ellie is gay doesn't preclude her from bearing children, when Maria and Tommy find out they'll start a baby farm in Jackson and have Ellie pop out a baby on a regular recurring schedule until they hit their quota of immune children - and then they can start breeding them; Jackson will become famous as a post-outbreak eugenics plantation . . . unless the whole idea really pisses off Joel and he decides to wipe Jackson off the map.
And this is why, there is only one line in the second game that I love (because according to me the second game is crap).
So Ellie finds out the truth, and she has been furious with Joel for a while not talking or living with him.
When she finally talks to him, he says:" If God gave me the chance, I would do it all over again" and I say, me too Joel.
Losing her? I would like my daughter to live, my 14-year-old old who knows nothing about life and has been attacked and severely traumatized is deciding nothing about her life now, until she is 18 at least.
This is a silly game and show, but teenagers and little kids see these things too, I don't want them to start treating parents like betrayers because they didn't let them do anything for their own good.