He was overrated because most people started their first anime with DB And see some people destroy planets They started thinking Planet's>>>> Multiverses Which is pretty dumb to be honest
Well, there do is a level called Pinnacle of the Tiering System wich (I think) is a level before reaching Beyond Tiering System wich has its layers, this tier is were Berkeley and Reinhard Cardinals stop at. But if you mean like Beyond Fiction, then that is very stupid. Is also like those people who thinks that FICTIONAL CHARACTERS wich represents authors(real people) are also above fiction as "they are the real person itself" wich is actually the opposite of how it works.
@@rishinsenguptagoddestroyer5024 maybe in VSBW. It's not even supported in any official sources. Beyond tiering system characters don't exist. That's just really retarded. Just say a strong boundless character at max. Even boundless+ doesn't exist.
@@MdAli-yl2ouyeah people say he can destroy universes in base But almost gets killed in SSJB when frieza destroyed planet earth if whis didn't save him he would have died But vegeta did died even though he was using SSJB form To tell you the truth DB have worst power scaling
Infinite/Limitless potential doesn't makes you boundless it just means that you can level up or get strong as much as you want and plus that falls under no limit fallacy
@@OfficialKaidoBeastking Nah 7D is too much of a wank. Only with a fair amount of wank he is low multiversal. Realistically he should be high universal at best since the cosmology of Dragon Ball caps at 5D-6D
Goku haters don't understand anything about db cosmic. Goku scale high outerversal in base. You are trying to deny the facts after you give evidence that it is wrong that comes from official sources from the anime, manga, and daizencho on db transcend dimensions, which means that there are higher dimensions than other dimensions because it contains all the dimensions that preceded it, and the microcauses of the seventh universe 8D, and Goku was going to destroy all the microcauses For the seventh universe in ssjg only, which after 5 minutes absorbed it to the base after his fight against Beerus, this makes Goku high COMBLX multiversal in base, and he exceeded this level in ssjb and became billions of times stronger than the base Goku, who would have destroyed the microcosm of the seventh universe, makes high hyper in ssjb who absorb it back to the base and then in TOP Goku Awakening Incomplete Ultra Instinct shook the Void World outside the MULTIVERSAL It makes it 9D-10D which is out of all the multiversal of Dragon Ball universes not only Goku Jiren shook the Void World and Tobu changed the shape of the Void World with an attack of haki the size of a tennis ball this makes Tobu low OUTERVERSAL- outerversal in the form of a ruler Destruction, but after this, Goku awakened his ultra instinct and made a galaxy out of the MULTIVERSAL with his aura only, and during his fight against Jiren, his aura was continuing to expand and increase to the point that his aura would have covered the entire Void World and almost destroyed it, had it not been for the time not enough for BASE to absorb it. Makes Goku the next time he uses Ultra Instinct HIGH OUTERVERSAL With inrelifent speed . All I said was a superficial explanation of Goku and his influence and danger to the Dragon World if he did not know how to control his aura so as not to destroy all multiversal with his presence alone . But some fools ask why Goku did not destroy the universe or the galaxy or the planet? The answer is: Why do you want him to destroy a planet in the first place? Can you give Goku a reason to make him want to destroy a planet that has no enemy or fight? Then why do you want him to destroy a planet, galaxy, universe, and the multiversal without any convincing reason. Dragon Ball haters really don't understand anything about the scale of the characters, nor do they even understand the terminology that is one of the pillars of cosmic building in the DB world. And to add, Remiro is nothing but a victim of ordinary Dragon Ball humans.
@@AlfaresAnas You are obviously reading the guidebook from the DB downplayers website. the temporary world contains super dimensions. dimensions and dimensionality. Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher. The temporary world is high hyperversal to low outerversal. Dragon Ball follow The many-worlds interpretation implies that there are most likely an infinite number of universes. ... It is one of a number of multiverse. temporary world having super dimensions + the many-worlds interpretation make it infinite layers hyperversal to infinite layers into low outerversal. The afterlife Daizenshow 4 statement : "Heaven transcending dimensions can't be perceived from the human world". Which means it's beyond dimensions in the temporary world that are high hyperversal ( massively low ball). Super Game Guide Book and Tokiyama's statement : "Afterlife doesn't have the concept of time" and doesn't have time meaning doesn't have space And the topic was talking about why ssj3 wastes time in the temporary world and not in Afterlife because it his no concept of time. Which makes Afterlife outerversal structure by all standards.
@@abyssdebates2226 fax I was gonna watch it and see what this youtuber had to say, but they started off with, "koyama Statements don't count 🤓" and they do, toriyama said that they do, this is common knowledge, I have the scan saying that. Then after toriyama said that, all things koyama said are true.
You did your best at Debunking Goku but it's futile as their are more proof and Scans from Daizenshu and other Scans and Statements from Anime and Manga itself not just that you also seem to don't know what exactly Type 1,2,3, or 4 Multiverse exactly is and DB verse is Type 4 not Type 1 even Naruto verse is not Type 1. Edit : their are a lot of Goku's Cringe & Toxic fans who thinks Goku solo fiction and 8s Boundless which I disagree as a Goku fan myself he is indeed Low Outer but being Boundless and Solo fiction is out of conversation as that indeed cap also even Base Goku is 10D.
Guko is. High universe as best. Not low multiverse.😎 Lastly Guko vs Rimuru. Wherever they fight rimuru is the winner. If guko vs Rimuru in tensura verse guko got 0% to win. His speed of light speed will be limited, if guko cant learn though acceleration he is small fry. And if guko vs Rimuru in dbz verse rimuru still the winner 😎 because he is not cardinal so. His speed will be not limited.
@@evilerorpheus6577 outer . . . meanwhile Zeno whos is the most powerful entity only showed us feats where he destroyed universums . . . but goku is outer . . . makes sense kid 🤣🥱
@@evilerorpheus6577 Goku fan being STOOOOPID again this time, Goku isn't even Multiverse yet you still see him as an Outerverse character. If Asian parents see this they gonna call you STOOOOPID!!
yeah he didn’t provide a scan of Goku transcending math. But he did provide a scan of Gohan using irl mathematics while he was a little kid or smt. So the living world is an infinite sized realm filled with light and darkness? Cool, but wasn’t Goku going to destroy this, and the whole macrocosm of universe 7? So that would include and contain the living world by extension correct? So Goku would then have been able to destroy a “type 1” duality. Also mathematics should cap at low outer with csap wiki, but with vsbw it’s boundless because of cardinals and shi- but I’m not going to get into that.
@@abhaypatel605 he would be saying destroying a physical realm would be the same as destroying the concepts within the universe (so no I don't get were he is going😭)
@@que_teimporta0216 no its not there trying to use real world logic for for a series and even if it was true the metaphysical beign talked about is spiritual which isn't outer go check out my latest dbs debunks to understand
Ok ley's rebunk that 1koyama said that he's just not more reliable than toriyama and he warn when this isn't his opinion and guidebooks say that afterlife don't have the dimensionnality and 2koyama say that it's beyond dimensionnality cause they don't have
1. That is a blatant lie 2.not having dimensionality without context would put you at 0D 3.koyama shouldn't even be taken seriously especially with the fact he worked on 4 movies of dbs which aren't cannon so at this point his statements are headcannon for non cannon movies
Goku can be scaled outerversal as he can exist in heaven as well damage it - heaven is a higher plane of existence which lies beyond all concepts making him transcend dimensionality.
![Journey From Tier 12 - Tier 0 [Powerscaling]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SyyOJ3qbw30/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank You for debunking this 💀, After this I guess we could arguably say that Goku Fanboys are the most 🤓🤡 fanboys of all time
True
Why Goku is so overrated. Like ye I watched the anime and series. And Goku is cool ik. But is he really that cool to meat ride him like that....
He was overrated because most people started their first anime with DB
And see some people destroy planets
They started thinking
Planet's>>>> Multiverses
Which is pretty dumb to be honest
imo its rediculous to put a fictional character above tiering
Well, there do is a level called Pinnacle of the Tiering System wich (I think) is a level before reaching Beyond Tiering System wich has its layers, this tier is were Berkeley and Reinhard Cardinals stop at.
But if you mean like Beyond Fiction, then that is very stupid. Is also like those people who thinks that FICTIONAL CHARACTERS wich represents authors(real people) are also above fiction as "they are the real person itself" wich is actually the opposite of how it works.
Fax
Beyond tiering system just doesn't exist. Eaither the tiering system is too weak
@@aranyounesi7048 it does, but Goku isn't that
@@rishinsenguptagoddestroyer5024 maybe in VSBW. It's not even supported in any official sources. Beyond tiering system characters don't exist. That's just really retarded. Just say a strong boundless character at max. Even boundless+ doesn't exist.
Goku meat riders are as bad as saitama fanboys
Infinity 🤡
Boundless🤡
Above fiction🤡
Goku is literally DC godzilla victim
Yeah goku is above fiction but somehow almost got killed by a laser beam
@@MdAli-yl2ouyeah people say he can destroy universes in base
But almost gets killed in SSJB when frieza destroyed planet earth if whis didn't save him he would have died
But vegeta did died even though he was using SSJB form
To tell you the truth DB have worst power scaling
@@Chaos_Creater dragon ball super show writer's seem to more lost than zoro at this point
@@MdAli-yl2ou True
Facts, Goku doesn't get past high universal
Thank you so much for this debunk
Bro your pfp
@@yadavabhay211 its just a cat
@@farhanzahir9415maybe a dog
Your Profile got me😂😂
Can u make a debunk on Saitama having infinite - limitless potential/every category?
Infinite/Limitless potential doesn't makes you boundless it just means that you can level up or get strong as much as you want and plus that falls under no limit fallacy
and tbh inf potential kind of varies with the cosmology of the verse
Who even said goku is beyond the tiering system💀
How is he boundless or outerversal outerversal
Some idiot who thinks that DC/MCU is 6D at best 💀
He was never outerversal to begin with.
That fodder got debunked to high universal
@@meta-xverse not high universe but low complex multi 5D-7D
@@OfficialKaidoBeastking Nah 7D is too much of a wank. Only with a fair amount of wank he is low multiversal.
Realistically he should be high universal at best since the cosmology of Dragon Ball caps at 5D-6D
@@meta-xverse Finally someone who gets it
W
Bro is barely door level
Can you do a video debunking jjk characters or Baki characters?, because they are the most overrated verses in the anime in power.
Goku haters don't understand anything about db cosmic.
Goku scale high outerversal in base.
You are trying to deny the facts after you give evidence that it is wrong that comes from official sources from the anime, manga, and daizencho on db transcend dimensions, which means that there are higher dimensions than other dimensions because it contains all the dimensions that preceded it, and the microcauses of the seventh universe 8D, and Goku was going to destroy all the microcauses For the seventh universe in ssjg only, which after 5 minutes absorbed it to the base after his fight against Beerus, this makes Goku high COMBLX multiversal in base, and he exceeded this level in ssjb and became billions of times stronger than the base Goku, who would have destroyed the microcosm of the seventh universe, makes high hyper in ssjb who absorb it back to the base and then in TOP Goku Awakening Incomplete Ultra Instinct shook the Void World outside the MULTIVERSAL It makes it 9D-10D which is out of all the multiversal of Dragon Ball universes not only Goku Jiren shook the Void World and Tobu changed the shape of the Void World with an attack of haki the size of a tennis ball this makes Tobu low OUTERVERSAL- outerversal in the form of a ruler Destruction, but after this, Goku awakened his ultra instinct and made a galaxy out of the MULTIVERSAL with his aura only, and during his fight against Jiren, his aura was continuing to expand and increase to the point that his aura would have covered the entire Void World and almost destroyed it, had it not been for the time not enough for BASE to absorb it. Makes Goku the next time he uses Ultra Instinct HIGH OUTERVERSAL With inrelifent speed .
All I said was a superficial explanation of Goku and his influence and danger to the Dragon World if he did not know how to control his aura so as not to destroy all multiversal with his presence alone .
But some fools ask why Goku did not destroy the universe or the galaxy or the planet?
The answer is: Why do you want him to destroy a planet in the first place? Can you give Goku a reason to make him want to destroy a planet that has no enemy or fight? Then why do you want him to destroy a planet, galaxy, universe, and the multiversal without any convincing reason.
Dragon Ball haters really don't understand anything about the scale of the characters, nor do they even understand the terminology that is one of the pillars of cosmic building in the DB world.
And to add, Remiro is nothing but a victim of ordinary Dragon Ball humans.
Sir, that's not how dimensional tiering works, Universe 7 is only 6D - 7D (based on what I remember from the cosmological scale of the guidebooks)
THATS WHAT IM SAYING BRUH, Base Goku is High Outerversal and kids wouldn't even accept it
@@AlfaresAnas
You are obviously reading the guidebook from the DB downplayers website.
the temporary world contains super dimensions.
dimensions and dimensionality. Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher.
The temporary world is high hyperversal to low outerversal.
Dragon Ball follow The many-worlds interpretation implies that there are most likely an infinite number of universes. ... It is one of a number of multiverse.
temporary world having super dimensions + the many-worlds interpretation make it infinite layers hyperversal to infinite layers into low outerversal.
The afterlife
Daizenshow 4 statement :
"Heaven transcending dimensions can't be perceived from the human world".
Which means it's beyond dimensions in the temporary world that are high hyperversal ( massively low ball).
Super Game Guide Book and Tokiyama's statement :
"Afterlife doesn't have the concept of time"
and doesn't have time meaning doesn't have space And the topic was talking about why ssj3 wastes time in the temporary world and not in Afterlife because it his no concept of time.
Which makes Afterlife outerversal structure by all standards.
Fax
Where do u scale Goku?
He obviously scales him to building lvl
Low multi
(Not complex, just low multi)
@@swagmastuh69 Goku is at least complex he's low multi without the guidebooks
@@stormblade7959 oh my bad, im bad at scaling lol
@@swagmastuh69 nah you're fine
goku is still above tiering but this scale is bad
😔 goku is 5D don’t push it
@@Permanent_Scalez in what world 🤣
@@abyssdebates2226 fax I was gonna watch it and see what this youtuber had to say, but they started off with, "koyama Statements don't count 🤓" and they do, toriyama said that they do, this is common knowledge, I have the scan saying that. Then after toriyama said that, all things koyama said are true.
@@THEBEANKING. yeah i feel like db scalers are just too lazy to actually form a decent scale
@@abyssdebates2226 fax, it's quite annoying.
Debunked this debunk
W debunk in the discord you sent he ain’t coming back
i want to see where you debunked him
You did your best at Debunking Goku but it's futile as their are more proof and Scans from Daizenshu and other Scans and Statements from Anime and Manga itself not just that you also seem to don't know what exactly Type 1,2,3, or 4 Multiverse exactly is and DB verse is Type 4 not Type 1 even Naruto verse is not Type 1.
Edit : their are a lot of Goku's Cringe & Toxic fans who thinks Goku solo fiction and 8s Boundless which I disagree as a Goku fan myself he is indeed Low Outer but being Boundless and Solo fiction is out of conversation as that indeed cap also even Base Goku is 10D.
You can scale goku to immeasurable layers into boundless, but goku Base form is Infinite layers into boundless
sure bro, we believe you👍
@@Permanent_Scalez just don't reply
@@lightinthedark-hw1qd sure buddy
@@Permanent_Scalez u don't know a single thing
Btw isn't goku the same character that got killed by a freaking laser beam
Goku still slams rimuru i have Goku at 6D while rimuru isn't even 5D 😭😹
Guko is.
High universe as best.
Not low multiverse.😎 Lastly
Guko vs Rimuru. Wherever they fight rimuru is the winner. If guko vs Rimuru in tensura verse guko got 0% to win. His speed of light speed will be limited, if guko cant learn though acceleration he is small fry. And if guko vs Rimuru in dbz verse rimuru still the winner 😎 because he is not cardinal so. His speed will be not limited.
goku lowballed is litrally low complex multiversal what drugs are you on?
@@evilerorpheus6577 goku is fodder. Caps universal at best lol. Oh, and that ain't lowballing.
@@javaykirk2688 goku is literally outer lol universal is just massive lowball without using any of the db cosmology
@@evilerorpheus6577 outer . . . meanwhile Zeno whos is the most powerful entity only showed us feats where he destroyed universums . . . but goku is outer . . . makes sense kid 🤣🥱
@@evilerorpheus6577 Goku fan being STOOOOPID again this time, Goku isn't even Multiverse yet you still see him as an Outerverse character. If Asian parents see this they gonna call you STOOOOPID!!
So you have been ducking me for a lot now
💀you know my user don’t lie
🗿nigga I don’t know who the f you are 😭
@@Permanent_Scalez you are I know him plus you ducked him a lot of you make a vid about this your sad
@@Permanent_Scalez still not answering him he won’t even debate you he said if you dick this hard it’s a ware of time to debate you
@@HiGuys-xv8of 😭 who, WHEN why would I duck/ even know a nigga with no subs nor vids tf 😭
@@HiGuys-xv8of your grammar is trash secondly who is he 😭
Los daizenshuu son canon hasta la saga de freezer
what?
@@Permanent_ScalezDaishenzuu are canon until the Frieza saga
yeah he didn’t provide a scan of Goku transcending math.
But he did provide a scan of Gohan using irl mathematics while he was a little kid or smt.
So the living world is an infinite sized realm filled with light and darkness? Cool, but wasn’t Goku going to destroy this, and the whole macrocosm of universe 7?
So that would include and contain the living world by extension correct? So Goku would then have been able to destroy a “type 1” duality.
Also mathematics should cap at low outer with csap wiki, but with vsbw it’s boundless because of cardinals and shi- but I’m not going to get into that.
dont know what this is supposed to be but you do you man 🤷🏿♂🤷🏿♂
@@Permanent_Scalezyou don’t understand what he’s saying? 💀
@@abhaypatel605 he would be saying destroying a physical realm would be the same as destroying the concepts within the universe (so no I don't get were he is going😭)
used irl math as a kid ?? lol . . . so every char who can count to 5 is beyond concept of math now ?
@@YogSothoth620 I don’t remember saying such things. You might have to read back again.
if this is canon or not does not really matter since the tiering system is not even canon itself and it has its flaws
What?
@@que_teimporta0216 no its not there trying to use real world logic for for a series and even if it was true the metaphysical beign talked about is spiritual which isn't outer go check out my latest dbs debunks to understand
@@Permanent_Scalez alr thank you
@@Permanent_Scalez yo Jk someone wants to you debate you on disc
@@que_teimporta0216 bout what? And why at 8:53pm 😭
I have a type 3 multiverse db goon scale that you might wanna look into
Link?
@@Permanent_Scalez I don't think anyone in YT has posted it but I have it in disc
@@Kaizo-_Rin send it to me
@@Permanent_Scalez @drip_sauce wants to know ur location.
He would debunk ur ignorant, half ass debunk 🥱
@@wcom9999 🗿😭 are you in the 5th grade what's up with your grammar.
He made a non Koyama one, it's pretty legit.
Seen it (not much of a diffrence)
finally someone debunked this bullshit
Goku neggs rimuru and everyone because the dr slump and because all he did and other things goku neggs cry harder
Yall scale Dr slump of a video ga.e that isn't proven to be apart of the cosmology 😭 ok lil bro
@@Permanent_ScalezDr slump is a manga and its canon
@@Permanent_Scalezbro a guy is saying goku negs rimuru so can you give me some proofs that rimuru negs dbz
@@crazycraftff9412 hop on my discord server
@@crazycraftff9412 discord.gg/c2gEU3Qfxc
1.Goku (base form): Universe Level+ (can destroy 4-D Universe)
2. Kaioken Goku: Universe Level+ (can destroy 1.5 4-D Universes)
3. Kaioken x 2 Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 2 4-D Universes)
4. Kaioken x 3 Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 3 4-D Universes)
5. Kaioken x 4 Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 4 4-D Universes)
6. Kaioken x 10 Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 10 4-D Universes)
7. Kaioken X 20 Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 20 4-D Universes)
8. Super Saiyan Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 50 4-D Universes)
9. Super Kaioken: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 75 4-D Universes)
10. Super Saiyan 2 Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 100 4-D Universes)
11. Super Saiyan 3 Goku: Low Multiverse level (can destroy 400 4-D Universes)
12. Super Saiyan God Goku: High Multiverse level+ (can destroy a 5-D Universe)
13. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku: High Multiverse level+ (can destroy 50 5-D Universes)
14. SSGSS Kaioken Goku: High Multiverse level+ (can destroy 75 5-D Universes)
15. SSGSS Kaioken x 10 Goku: High Multiverse level+ (can destroy 500 5-D Universes)
16. SSGSS Kaioken x 20 Goku: High Multiverse level+ (can destroy 1000 5-D Universes)
17. Ultra Instinct Goku: (low ball) High Multiverse level+ (can destroy at least 2000 5-D Universes) (high ball) Low Complex Multiverse Level (can destroy a 6-D Universe)
18. Perfected Ultra instinct Goku: (low ball) (Low Complex Multiverse level) can destroy at least 2 6-D Universes) (high ball)Complex Multiverse level (can destroy a 7-D Universe)
Agree with you
@@thebrothercold finally. Someone does
But its still a victim from Superman (base comics)
@@thebrothercold no. The only versions of Superman that can beat Goku is Cosmic Armor Superman and Milk man man
@@infiniteconsciousness2434 superman lifted the infinite,and he can travel into time with his speed bra
Ok ley's rebunk that
1koyama said that he's just not more reliable than toriyama and he warn when this isn't his opinion and guidebooks say that afterlife don't have the dimensionnality and 2koyama say that it's beyond dimensionnality cause they don't have
1. That is a blatant lie 2.not having dimensionality without context would put you at 0D 3.koyama shouldn't even be taken seriously especially with the fact he worked on 4 movies of dbs which aren't cannon so at this point his statements are headcannon for non cannon movies
@@Permanent_Scalez watch the video of kingdrip_sauce
@@FaceTheFaxisgoat ... already have still doesn't prove anything
@@FaceTheFaxisgoat 😐🤣 he doesn't prove anything and thanks for giving me more things to debunk for the week 👍
@@Permanent_Scalez koyama warn when it's his opinion and this is beyond dimensionnality cause h3 don't have
Goku can be scaled outerversal as he can exist in heaven as well damage it - heaven is a higher plane of existence which lies beyond all concepts making him transcend dimensionality.
@ANGEL YAIR RIVERA DOMADOR DE LA UAPJ Y ANTI TOUHOU universal? Bro T.O.P was a multiversal fight - Goku almost won that.
@@heetgohil8990 did he destroy those multiverses single handedly? No he did not
@@mohammadmohiuddinraton166 Are you talking about comp goku or base Goku?
@@heetgohil8990 normal mui goku
@@mohammadmohiuddinraton166 Haven't you watched DBS yet?
Anos >>>>>> fodder verse + Gotaku and midata
Bro's drunk goku solo rimuru in base cope even i can debunk this sh!t
what would ypu expect from a rimuru fan dawg 🥱🤣
Awesome debunk I'll take it into account next time